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3201  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Bitcoin continue to have the same effect on alts? on: April 10, 2022, 07:52:05 PM
What do y'all think? Will BTC price movement continue to have the same effect on alts price in like 10 years? 20 years maybe? Let's hear some expert opinions.
In 10 years probably at least 80% of the alt coins we have now will be long gone. I wanted to say 90% but I din't want to exaggerate. Also in 10 years bitcoin's volatility should be way less than today, so I still think that the whole market will be influenced by bitcoin movements, but I don't think we'll see -40% movements.
3202  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Time to leave btc on: April 10, 2022, 05:00:05 PM
No movement of btc so its time to leave and come back after 2 years.
Its just not moving where is the daily 20-30% price swings? Of alt coins also? ,barerly 5% price moves in few days for that long you cant earn nothing with futures.
I leave btc im disapointed it just dont move i need btc to move no short no long just standing all market thats not why we here for.
Lets see in few years if btc is fixed and it moves again now nothing to do here for this year maybe one month there is movement but thats not enough we need to earn money everyday but if btc dont move then nothing to do.

So i come back after few years then lets see if they have fixed btc.
So you are pretty much complaining that bitcoin is become more stable and less "extreme" compared to what it used to be? Before people complain that bitcoin can't be taken seriously because of the high volatility, then volatility gets reduced and people complain because the price doesn't change... People like you should really go a post office and ask there investment advise because clearly you don't deserve bitcoin.
3203  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 30% tax on crypto income in INDIA on: April 10, 2022, 03:18:34 PM
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Several countries are already losing crypto-millionaires because of the crazy taxes, and some smart countries are welcoming this new wealthy generation that is going to invest and spend money in their countries.
When you have dumb politicians who are making these rule set, people will move out to safer zones where the taxes are really low or tax free heavens. A few of my friends in the cryptocurrency space moved to Saint Kitts and Nevis where there is no income tax and some of them moved to UAE. If not for the high taxes, would have stayed back but now they force everyone with substantial amount to move out of the country. I would not mind paying 10% to 15%, but 30% is too much of money for the hard work and risk we take.
I remember that I read an article time ago (which I can't find right now) that was explain why and how people are willing to pay taxes up to 15% if I remember properly, when taxes go above 15% usually people will start finding ways to declare less, etc, because they feel it's too much. Of course the more they increase taxes, the more people will start declaring less than what they should actually declare to save some money.
3204  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 30% tax on crypto income in INDIA on: April 10, 2022, 07:38:50 AM
Their target seems 100% for crypto tax, it is absolutely the situation when all crypto investors have no choice to survive. 100% = ban.  Undecided
How can you tax something at 100%? If you tax 100% of the gains it means that they take everything, so why should someone even take the risk to buy crypto in that case? It also would be a ridiculous way to ban cryptos, at that point they can simply say they are banned, just like China did, hiding behind a "100% tax rule" doesn't make sense.
3205  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 30% tax on crypto income in INDIA on: April 10, 2022, 05:55:48 AM
The 30% tax rate does not seem to satisfy the Indian government, recently it has been reported that they want to increase the tax from 30% to 50%. This is crazy, they are clearly trying to discourage Indian investors and force them to give up crypto instead of enacting a law banning it. If this passes, it will be the end of the crypto market in India.
https://beincrypto.com/indian-ruling-party-mp-suggests-increasing-crypto-tax-from-30-to-50/
Or simply people will completely stop declaring any crypto possession and will find a way to spend cryptos without withdrawing them from the exchanges. 30% is already crazy, 50% it really means they live on a different planet.
3206  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 30% tax on crypto income in INDIA on: April 10, 2022, 02:42:31 AM
Anyone who is holding a much larger holding of cryptocurrency will move out of the country rather than paying 30% tax because you are bound to pay irrespective to your profit or loss from what i understand. I know a few individuals who already moved out to tax free heavens and i know a few planning to move out of the country simply because of 30% tax which is really high with the amount of crypto they are holding.
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I think it's almost kind of funny how governments always think that simply raising taxes is the solution for everything, and at the same time the more the taxes are high, the more people will do everything in order to avoid paid them. Several countries are already losing crypto-millionaires because of the crazy taxes, and some smart countries are welcoming this new wealthy generation that is going to invest and spend money in their countries.
3207  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Banche italiane che bloccano bonifici verso exchange on: April 09, 2022, 08:29:25 PM
Sei un trader BTC in prevalenza? Unicredit non è ancora riuscita a inserire nel fantastico gestionale rischi il tuo profilo, quindi qualcuno deve fare delle indagini o richieste a mano (per es. la buona vecchia telefonata).

Questo secondo me è il problema di fondo
Il problema di fondo è che non hanno voglia di sbattersi, tutto lì. Non per niente di solito le banche sono quasi tutte a favore o contro, è difficile trovare banche neutrali. Mi ricorda molto la situazione che ho dovuto affrontare quando dovevo aprire un conto bancario negli USA prima dell'arrivo del visto: svariate banche mi dissero che non era possibile farlo oppure volevano una quantità ridicola di documenti; poi ho conosciuto un italiano che lavorava in banca e lui si è specializzato ad aprire conti a stranieri nella mia situazione, quindi portava un sacco di clienti alla sua banca perché è tra le pochissime persone che sapeva come svolgere questa procedura, tantissimi altri invece non volevano seccature e preferivano rinunciare.
3208  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Madeira and Prospera adopting bitcoin as legal tender on: April 09, 2022, 06:13:08 PM
I seriously doubt that Madeira president has authority to declare bitcoin being legal tender before Portugal does the same (or unless they allow them)
I don't think either, even if they're autonomous they are still part of Portugal, and something important like the national currency is something above them. The only direct way would be to become totally independent, but it wouldn't make sense. Let's see if in the next days there will be more declarations from Madeira's president.
3209  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 30% tax on crypto income in INDIA on: April 09, 2022, 03:37:13 PM
This is going to impact only the Indian cryptocurrency market that, with all due respect, it's not very important. We survived the actual ban from China, not for bitcoin only but for mining as well, having or not having India won't change things, I just feel sorry for the Indian people.

I mean I wouldn't say its not very important? Because according to statistics, India has the most "number" of people owning crypto. Just by sheer number of people, it has the "largest user base", 100 million, compared to the ~25-30 million in USA. Sure, USA still has the most trading volume and India isn't even close, but this growth in India has been just in the past 1-3 years. The growth is exponential, mostly due to the median age of Indian population being 28.4 yrs (Source: worldometers), and them being eager to learn about new technology.
To be honest I'm very surprised to see that 7.30% of the Indian population own crypto, it's way more than what I was expecting. Anyway I don't change my mind, we always looked at China as one of the most important countries for the crypto world, they banned bitcoin, closed down exchanges and mining factories, and yet we're still here. At this point I'm curious to see if the Indian government will understand that this 30% tax is not gonna help anyone.
3210  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will Bitcoin's price stabilize someday? on: April 09, 2022, 03:28:05 PM
Why do you think Bitcoin's price hasn't stabilized yet? Is there a possibility they will stabilize in the future? Your input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Smiley
One of the main reasons, probably, is that there still are too many whales out there, and if they work together they can actually move the price as they prefer. And of course paper hands as soon as they see a -3% sell everything, making their game. Anyway lately many bitcoins have been bought by big companies, and I feel like the price has been a little more stable, probably because they don't care selling when it goes down since they have more market experience.
3211  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Have you, or would you ever use a Bitcoin ATM? on: April 09, 2022, 01:00:03 AM
I used a particular bitcoin atm that takes spare change and can give you the fund in btc.

The real problem was the fees. I had deposited around $120 in change and only got about $95 back in actual bitcoin. Bitcoin ATMs are in no way the way to go for a beginner looking to get some money in bitcoin. The fees would instantly turn them off.
Wow, that's pretty crazy! But it also makes sense, at the end the ATM are mainly made for people who want to change some extra money or want to get a "bitcoin experience", maybe because they can simply say they bought some bitcoins, well, satoshis. At least the more the install the more people will start wondering if maybe they should change some useless fiat for bitcoin.
3212  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: CEX ruins the true value of Bitcoin on: April 09, 2022, 12:55:49 AM
The possibility of theft from members of the platform themselves, even if they are its owners, remains a possibility that cannot be abandoned. We have seen similar cases in the past so we do not cancel any hypothesis. And I think we all remember the MT.GOX platform, which is an issue that has not yet been resolved after making sure that the project managers were the ones who stole the users' money. Assuming that platform owners are rich, users' savings represent a much larger figure that can be easily obtained instead of working to make a profit.
Could you please remind me in what year MtGox scammed its users? Many things changed in the meantime, and all the exchanges that scammed usually were minor exchanges, sometimes located in secondary countries (I remember one in Turkey for example). Of course everyone can believe what he wants to believe, if you think that Coinbase or Binance will scam their users, you are totally free to think it. But again, I don't see a single reason for them to do it.
If i am not wrong, it was 2014-2015.
It's a famous case. Please take a look at it.
The main reason for someone to scam others is greedness which you won't see until the incident happens.
I double checked, it happened in February 2014 and they stole approx $473 mln, which of course is a huge amount of money even today, but at the same time it's not that much compared to the current exchanges gains through the commissions. CZ alone is worth at least $75 billions, so the difference is huge.

With my statement I don't mean we need to trust CEX at 100% but for sure many things changed in the last 7-8 years.
I am pretty sure that nothing important has been developped since then expect the inerfer of SEC authorities for similar cases. Many other projects turn into a scam after building the good reputation for several years. Not toention examples like Yobit and HitBtc who are still operating despite the accusations .
Yobit and HitBtc were kind of shady almost since the beginning, I've never used them and I absolutely don't plan to ever do it. I'm surprised there still are people who use those exchanges. I've only used Bitstamp at the very beginning, then Kraken and Bitfinex, now pretty much only Binance, Kucoin and Gate.
3213  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is the society matured enough to handle privacy? on: April 09, 2022, 12:48:35 AM
I only see both existing  together  with more preference on decentralization  but my concern  is if man is matured enough to handle the innovation or are you also seeing the abuse  of privacy coming along with it
Fiat won't disappear anytime soon, that's for sure. Regarding your concerns about the privacy, well, let's say that bitcoin really becomes mainstream, I can totally image several governments making new laws to link your ID to a specific bitcoin address, just like if it was a bank, and for example to buy something at the supermarket you have to show a proof that you're the real owner of that "certified" address. Of course people will continue to use also "non-registered" addresses, but I'm pretty sure the governments will find a way to have way more control over bitcoin transactions.
I have thought a lot about it, personally I think that governments and banks will eventuality release their own wallets in which you will need to pass KYC just to have access to them, they will never reveal your private keys or seed words and you will be able to use your coins everywhere there is a government registered business that deals with cryptocurrencies, obviously people like us will never accept something like this, but it will not surprise me if regular people actually did as they care way more about convenience than their own rights and the principles behind bitcoin.
Your idea could (unfortunately) actually become reality in the next years. The European Union is already trying to make a new law in order to add a KYC feature to every single address used to withdraw/deposit to an exchange. Of course even the CEXs are against this because it would take a huge amount of time and energy to check and register ever address used by every single user.
3214  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Madeira and Prospera "adopting bitcoin" on: April 08, 2022, 08:02:03 PM
Even though Madeira and Prospera are only small countries
Actually they are not countries: Madeira is an autonomous region in Portugal while Prospera is a jurisdiction in Honduras. They are more independent but they're still part of the mainland countries since both of them, if I'm not wrong, are islands. At least it's a first step but for the moment El Salvador is still the only country using bitcoin as legal tender.
3215  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: CEX ruins the true value of Bitcoin on: April 08, 2022, 06:35:05 PM
The possibility of theft from members of the platform themselves, even if they are its owners, remains a possibility that cannot be abandoned. We have seen similar cases in the past so we do not cancel any hypothesis. And I think we all remember the MT.GOX platform, which is an issue that has not yet been resolved after making sure that the project managers were the ones who stole the users' money. Assuming that platform owners are rich, users' savings represent a much larger figure that can be easily obtained instead of working to make a profit.
Could you please remind me in what year MtGox scammed its users? Many things changed in the meantime, and all the exchanges that scammed usually were minor exchanges, sometimes located in secondary countries (I remember one in Turkey for example). Of course everyone can believe what he wants to believe, if you think that Coinbase or Binance will scam their users, you are totally free to think it. But again, I don't see a single reason for them to do it.
If i am not wrong, it was 2014-2015.
It's a famous case. Please take a look at it.
The main reason for someone to scam others is greedness which you won't see until the incident happens.
I double checked, it happened in February 2014 and they stole approx $473 mln, which of course is a huge amount of money even today, but at the same time it's not that much compared to the current exchanges gains through the commissions. CZ alone is worth at least $75 billions, so the difference is huge.

With my statement I don't mean we need to trust CEX at 100% but for sure many things changed in the last 7-8 years.
3216  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Has Performed Even More Than Satoshi Expected on: April 08, 2022, 04:17:14 PM
but price is absolutely limitless.

And reading from what Satoshi supposedly said in the image below, it's clear he too wasn't even sure of how far BTC would go or what the price would be, it was all like a gamble in the very beginning, quoting him now...
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it might make sense just to get some IN CASE it catches on
I think that Satoshi would be more focused on the bitcoin adoption rather than the price. Anyway considering that bitcoin was created a little more than 10 years ago, the current result is astonishing in my opinion, if we look where it started and all the problems it went through, it's unbelievable that now we even have a country that uses it just like others do with fiat.
3217  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is the society matured enough to handle privacy? on: April 08, 2022, 03:59:37 PM
I only see both existing  together  with more preference on decentralization  but my concern  is if man is matured enough to handle the innovation or are you also seeing the abuse  of privacy coming along with it
Fiat won't disappear anytime soon, that's for sure. Regarding your concerns about the privacy, well, let's say that bitcoin really becomes mainstream, I can totally image several governments making new laws to link your ID to a specific bitcoin address, just like if it was a bank, and for example to buy something at the supermarket you have to show a proof that you're the real owner of that "certified" address. Of course people will continue to use also "non-registered" addresses, but I'm pretty sure the governments will find a way to have way more control over bitcoin transactions.
3218  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Madeira and Prospera adopting bitcoin as legal tender on: April 08, 2022, 03:48:47 PM
Right now I'm furious, and 99% of that anger goes towards myself for spending hours looking at the politics of Maderia and the constitution of Portugal and their rights and I've not spent minutes listening to the declaration itself again, indeed there is no mention of anything other than no taxes.
But cryptos were not taxed in Portugal to begin with, damn!
I'm a little confused at this point, so what are exactly the big news regarding Madeira if bitcoin is not (yet) accepted as legal tender? Because as you pointed out cryptos (for the moment) are not taxed in Portugal unless you're a professional trader, so what are we talking about?
3219  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: UE e possibile nuovo regolamento wallet crypto: rischi sicurezza personale on: April 08, 2022, 03:42:51 PM
Ho assistito ad un webinar fatto dall'associazione dei commercialisti sulle criptovalute, siamo a livelli davvero bassi!
Associazione dei commercialisti sulle criptovalute? Esiste una cosa del genere? Hanno un sito? Sarei curioso di vedere i nomi dei commercialisti iscritti dato che dici che sono tutte banalità quelle dette fino ad ora. Non che conosca molti commercialisti che trattano cripto però alcuni nomi sono abbastanza famosi.
3220  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: ...e dopo Lugano anche Madeira! on: April 08, 2022, 03:20:14 PM
Ragazzi non scherziamo.
Il legal tender significa obbligare la gente ad accettare bitcoin. E questo di certo non è una cosa che può essere decisa da un governo locale, seppure indipendente ed autonomo. Anzi, essendo un paese dell’area euro, quasi neanche da un governo centrale.
Mi sto informando ulteriormente, pare che vari siti, tra i quali anche alcuni che seguivo, abbiano riportato la dicitura "legal tender" quando in realtà sembra che non sia così, mi scuso per l'informazione sbagliata.

A questo punto bisogna aspettare ulteriori informazioni per capire quali sarebbero gli ulteriori vantaggi di Madeira.
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