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2901  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 40 high schools in Argentina to launch bitcoin in their curriculum. on: May 23, 2022, 04:32:35 PM
40 high schools isn't as big of a step as some others did (for example, France added Blockchain and cryptos into the overall school curriculum, not as an experiment in a bunch of schools), but it's still better than nothing.
Exactly, it's way better than nothing because those students anyway will be able to understand and explain what bitcoin is also to their families, friends, etc, and we all have to start somewhere. Also I don't think it's fair comparing Argentina and France, we're talking about 2 completely different countries and economies.
2902  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Bitcoin, la propria famiglia e il futuro - considerazioni a ruota libera on: May 23, 2022, 04:26:56 PM
ma così diventa una banca ed è contrario al progetto, allo scopo iniziale.

Non sono d’accordo.
Innanzitutto bitcoin non è nato contro le banche commerciali, ma contro le banche centrali. Quelle che stampano moneta.
Quindi depositare i bitcoin presso una “banca” non è in contrasto con il progetto iniziale.
Sei sicuro al 100%? Il discorso di "be your own bank" era partito da Satoshi oppure come conseguenza dell'invenzione di bitcoin? Perché a questo punto mi fai venire il dubbio. Però in ogni caso affidandosi ad una banca, anche se commerciale, vuol sempre dire affidarsi a qualcun altro che ha il potere di vietare l'accesso ai tuoi propri fondi/proprietà. Poi capisco che qui sforiamo nel campo super idealista e che la vita reale sia (purtroppo) diversa e che, piaccia o no, certe istituzioni sicuramente non spariranno nei prossimi anni.
2903  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin in Gen Z on: May 23, 2022, 04:19:35 PM
With that, we can say Gen Z is bullish on Bitcoin.
I would add "luckily for all of us". And I'm not saying this just because it means that bitcoin could go up in price but because of mass adoption. This kind of change must come with the newer generations, if they don't care then there is no future. I'm a millennial and unfortunately very few of my friends are into cryptos, actually only 2-3 of them and I was the one who introduced them to this world, all the other close friends either think they're a scam or the missed the bus.
2904  Economy / Speculation / Re: What is going on??? on: May 23, 2022, 04:02:22 PM
When I purchased early on, the price for a btc was $11,000 . a few months ago, I can recall the price level
was $63,000 . I just knew that it was going to hit the $100,000 mark...Now as of today its $30,180

What is going on???  Also, can anyone predetermine if the btc will reach the $100,000 and is the btc
worth the investment...An educated guess, is acceptable!

Bitcoin to reach 100k is still a prediction.
Of course, nothing is sure, but if you ask me I see more possibilities that in the future bitcoin will reach that number rather not making it. Also because let's not forget about inflation, BTC is supposed to go up in value and fiat at the same time will lose value, sono anyway a bitcoin worth $100k won't actually have a $100k buying power but it'll be lower.
2905  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Bitcoin, la propria famiglia e il futuro - considerazioni a ruota libera on: May 23, 2022, 12:43:36 AM
Di solito è quella la parte difficile in situazione di pericolo: convincere il ladro che non hai più Btc. Con la contabile potresti essere quasi a posto.
Alla fine sarebbe la stessa situazione per quando ad esempio entrano in casa cercando la cassaforte, e spesso la cassaforte non c'è per davvero, sono situazioni veramente imprevedibili ed estremamente pericolose. Però se ad esempio con la cassaforte si può presumere che chi abbia un certo tipo di casa (leggasi non sicuramente chi ha un monolocale) è abbastanza probabile che ne abbia una, con bitcoin bisognerebbe andare a colpo sicuro conoscendo l'obiettivo.
2906  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: BITCOIN PUMP! on: May 22, 2022, 05:33:26 PM
Ovviamente fatta da me, la B è un mio segreto industriale.
Il segreto è come sei riuscito a ricreare perfettamente il simbolo di BTC oppure per il tipo di formaggio (credo) utilizzato?  Grin

problema che molti moriranno di fame (sri lanka?)
Non per fare l'insensibile ma ricordo che fin da bambino sentivo che c'era gente che moriva di fame, è forse cambiato molto da allora? Magari la situazione non sembra più grave come allora ma con la sovrappopolazione che abbiamo e che avremo dubito che le cose cambieranno molto per chi ha la sfortuna di nascere in certi paesi.
2907  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If you knew the founder of Bitcoin, would you still use it? on: May 22, 2022, 04:19:00 PM
Honestly, I am very obsessed with this question. We don't know who is behind the bitcoin, at the moment Satoshi Nakamoto is just a made-up thing in our head. At the moment we think that he is a savior and helps us to gain financial freedom and protect our privacy but let's imagine some bad case scenarios for interesting discussion. At the moment, Satoshi has around 1 million bitcoin.

What if it was created by one of the worst person ever? What if he wants to make us dependent on bitcoin as much as possible and one day he comes, sells all his coins and causes financial catastrophe.
What if it was created by persons like Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, etc. These are the people who don't respect their customers' privacy.

What if there is one specific, concrete country behind the scenes? Bitcoin is a mixture of the cyber and financial worlds, this is the greatest power stack to own.

The inspiration for me to create this thread was this video.
P.S. I don't agree with Dan Pena, I would even say that if he knew who was behind the bitcoin, as he says, he couldn't sleep at night or could sleep forever.
Let's say that sometimes I wondered as well if bitcoin's creator(s) some day, when (and if) bitcoin will have a huge value in $, may suddenly come back and dump everything on us, like he has this super long evil plan, and of course a lot of patience as well since it's already been more than 12 years now. Everything is possible of course, probably as soon as someone notices a movement from Satoshi's address, even for a single bitcoin, panic would start.
2908  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Don't trade your Bitcoin like Laszlo Hanyecz on: May 22, 2022, 04:13:56 PM
Almost 12 years ago, a Floridian programmer named Laszlo Hanyecz was craving pizza. So, he bought two. But the catch here is, that he paid in Bitcoin in the first-ever recorded real-world transaction using crypto.
Do you even realized what you wrote here? Did you read it? Or was it just a copy-paste without paying attention? Laszlo did something unique in history, he and his transaction will always be part of bitcoin's history and who knows, maybe without Laszlo proving that was actually possible exchange bitcoin for something physical bitcoin wouldn't have become what's today. I have a huge respect for Laszlo.
2909  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: At what age did you start learning about bitcoin? on: May 21, 2022, 03:43:59 PM
I'm not 100% sure but the first time I heard about bitcoin probably I was 22-24, something like that, I remember it was mentioned on some website I used to read for tech news, but I never actually went deeper at that time, unfortunately. It would take me some other years before actually deciding to properly check what bitcoin was.
2910  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Beginner-bitcoin smarter on: May 21, 2022, 03:52:50 AM
Hello.what about bitcoin smarter???is it safe?is it real u can withdraw your money anytime u want?does it work for an absolute beginner?does it sound too good to be true?
Thanks! Roll Eyes
I have no idea about what bitcoin smarter is but I have this feeling that the smartest thing to do is staying away. Anyway I'm not sure if you're here just to promote it in some weird way or if your question is actually legit.
2911  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Bitcoin, la propria famiglia e il futuro - considerazioni a ruota libera on: May 21, 2022, 03:49:15 AM
Dall'altro lato mi domando sempre: se una persona disponesse di un controvalore appunto interessante (buttiamo una cifra a caso per aiutare nel ragionamento, supponiamo € 200.000) custodito in proprio, ragionevolmente fosse l'unica persona a sapere come accedere e per una sciagura perdesse l'accesso o addirittura venisse a mancare, la famiglia che potrebbe essere all'oscuro della cosa o per nulla pratica di questa tecnologia, ne avrebbe un danno che, se fossi io quella persona, non saprei come perdonarmi, perchè la famiglia avrebbe perso una "liquidità" che li avrebbe potuti far vivere/sopravvivere meglio, soprattutto se l'interessato venisse a mancare.
Se la famiglia non dovesse essere interessata a capire al momento come funziona, oppure per ragioni di sicurezza non gli si vuole comunicare che si possiedono X bitcoin, una possibilità sarebbe quella di lasciare delle istruzioni in una cassaforte in casa/banca e mettere il Ledger da qualche altra parte. Ovviamente in questo caso andrebbe tutto spiegato per filo e per segno incluso come vendere su exchange, come trasferire i fondi, dichiarazione per le tasse... È sicuramente una situazione complicata perché se si ha una certa età allora difficilmente la moglie, con tutto il rispetto, saprebbe come gestire una situazione del genere, la speranza risiederebbe negli eventuali figli però anche lì bisogna vedere l'età e la loro situazione economica: per quanto si possa educare bene un figlio cosa potrebbe succedere se questi a 15-20 anni avesse accesso a 200k euro? Saprebbe davvero come gestirli oppure c'è il rischio che sperperi tutto in pochi anni?

Il discorso è sicuramente un tema importante e molto sottovalutato perché diciamo che a un testamento o cose simili difficilmente ci si pensa a 30-40 anni, soprattutto parlando di beni normali come una casa o un conto in banca, con bitcoin invece cambia tutto.
2912  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: El Salvador will be the richest country in the world in 8 years? on: May 21, 2022, 02:18:18 AM
Eight years is a big time frame and no one can guarantee if El Salvador will be the richest country or not b that time. It depends upon how many bitcoin El Salvador have and what will be the bitcoin prices after eight years.
I don't know, 8 years to me looks like a very short amount of time, I really don't understand how some of you may even think that bitcoin will be able to turn ES from one of the poorest economy in the world into the richest country in the world. Especially because they own just less than 2,000 BTC, that's a huge number for an individual but a small one for a company and/or a country.
2913  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: There too much information about btc on: May 21, 2022, 02:12:06 AM
There is too much information about btc.
One day some bilionaire or banker who knows who say btc is good then someone say not good then ban btc and crypto then no ban then they say btc is dangerous then they say btc is good...and it goes on and on.
I wouldn't call that "information", those are just opinions coming either from a company or an individual, that's it. Then usually many people like to listen to someone in particular because they share their point of view, or maybe they simply hope that what they say is actually gonna be reality some day. Does your opinion on bitcoin change depending on who says what? Because it shouldn't.
2914  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: El Salvador will be the richest country in the world in 8 years? on: May 20, 2022, 04:06:16 PM
I saw this post and what do you think? Is it possible for him to become that rich in such a short time?

look at the post here https://boletimbitcoin.com/2022/05/19/com-o-bitcoin-el-salvador-sera-o-pais-mais-rico-do-mundo-em-8-anos/
It doesn't make a lot of sense that article, there are single people who own more bitcoins than ES, does anyone think that there will be individuals worth more than the US or China? And what about Saylor and Microstrategy? Don't they have more than 100k BTC? Way way more than ES.
2915  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 40 high schools in Argentina to launch bitcoin in their curriculum. on: May 20, 2022, 04:00:44 PM
I do think monetary education, in general, is important, and investing comes along in that basket, but what is more important is what crypto can teach us on a technological and sociological level. We need to educate the new generations on it in order to have a better understanding and a better future for crypto be it BTC or something else and to avoid the pitfalls of monetary knowledge of the old.
I agree with you, not only about the crypto knowledge but the financial education. It's crazy that at school they teach you things that we know no one is gonna ever use in their lives unless they choose a very specific path, but something very important like money management is completely ignored.
2916  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is everyone that got in late last year in the red now ? How bad is it ? on: May 20, 2022, 02:30:17 AM
I'm still in the green...more than double my initial investment. But then I got in nearly 2 years ago.
They're in the red only if they sell, otherwise 1 BTC = 1 BTC last year just like today. Bitcoin is also about patience, if people got into bitcoin at $50k-$60k thinking it would moon it's their problem, that's the first mistake. And if they sell now it's the second, a pretty big mistake actually.
2917  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: [SOGNANDO] Vivere senza lavorare grazie alle cripto, dove andreste? on: May 19, 2022, 11:51:19 PM
La zona non è il massimo ma l'appartamento sembra carino, ha molta luce. Del resto per quasi 1 mln € schifo non doveva fare......  Wink
Non ho potuto aprire l'articolo perché è a pagamento però io dovessi mai (e soprattutto potessi  Grin) spendere, o investire secondo i punti di vista, 1 mln di euro in una casa non prenderei mai un appartamento, vorrei la mia casetta privata con piscina e giardino. Poi so benissimo che in base alla zona i prezzi cambiano un sacco, ma spendere un 1 mln per stare in un appartamento per quando possa essere bello e luminoso mmm no grazie.

La zona non è il massimo, concordo, del resto a Milano 1 milione comincia ad essere "strettino" in molte zone.
Su una cosa siamo d'accordo: non è un appartamento di lusso.

Se vuoi una casa privata con giardino e piscina...devi andare a Lainate:
https://www.idealista.it/immobile/23110357/

Io sarei più per uno stile moderno e magari un posto leggermente migliore di Lainate, una casa tipo questa che sta a Monza non sarebbe affatto male: https://www.immobiliare.it/annunci/89576139/

Manca la piscina, è vero, però costa anche 300k euro in meno di quell'appartamento, qualcosa si può fare sicuramente.

Quella del tuo link è sicuramente una signora casa però a livello estetico si vede che ha la sua bella età, solamente a vedere certi abbinamenti cromatici mi vengono i brividi  Grin Ovviamente sono preferenze personali.
2918  Economy / Speculation / Re: What is going on??? on: May 19, 2022, 10:24:52 PM
When I purchased early on, the price for a btc was $11,000 . a few months ago, I can recall the price level
was $63,000 . I just knew that it was going to hit the $100,000 mark...Now as of today its $30,180

What is going on???  Also, can anyone predetermine if the btc will reach the $100,000 and is the btc
worth the investment...An educated guess, is acceptable!
So you bought bitcoin thinking it would always go up and never go down? Did you do a little research before buying bitcoin? Or did you do it just to speculate? Because with a very little research, time and knowledge you'd already know what's going on and if bitcoin will ever go to $100k  Wink
2919  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: [SOGNANDO] Vivere senza lavorare grazie alle cripto, dove andreste? on: May 19, 2022, 10:21:26 PM
La zona non è il massimo ma l'appartamento sembra carino, ha molta luce. Del resto per quasi 1 mln € schifo non doveva fare......  Wink
Non ho potuto aprire l'articolo perché è a pagamento però io dovessi mai (e soprattutto potessi  Grin) spendere, o investire secondo i punti di vista, 1 mln di euro in una casa non prenderei mai un appartamento, vorrei la mia casetta privata con piscina e giardino. Poi so benissimo che in base alla zona i prezzi cambiano un sacco, ma spendere un 1 mln per stare in un appartamento per quando possa essere bello e luminoso mmm no grazie.
2920  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 44 countries will meet in El Salvador to discuss Bitcoin on: May 19, 2022, 07:29:22 PM
It won't be a surprise if one or two of the countries of this list end up having Bitcoin as a legal tender in the near future.
That would be great, and I feel that out of those 44 countries maybe even more than just 1-2 countries could choose to adopt bitcoin as legal tender.

Reading those names, man, crème de la crème, I always say, better than nothing but seriously sometimes, it's a close call with this nothing.
Just some trivia, only three of those have a GDP per capita rank lower than 100, with Maldives managing to be the leading one with a rank of 65 in the world and with only 6 of them not in the UN food assistance program.
You do realize that we need to start somewhere, don't you? Or were you expecting to see countries like the US, England, France, etc to be the first ones to adopt bitcoin? I think it's even good that it's happening in Central-South America and Africa because it's easier to get a domino effect over there, there are less regulations than in the first world countries and if they want to do something, they just do. If we begin to have 3-4 countries next to each other accepting bitcoin, well, things will get very very interesting!
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