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3001  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: N26 - strane cose in atto on: April 16, 2022, 04:07:38 PM
Sarà un caso ma da quando un certo avvocato
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Non ho presente il caso (magari riposti il link?) ma dubito che un singolo caso possa indurre un tale cambiamento in un’istituzione cronicamente deficitaria come la Consob, nota per i suoi sonni colossali, nonostante la casistica numerosissima di truffe, brogli, operazioni irregolari alle quali abbiano assistito nel corso degli anni.
Mannaggia a te, ci ho messo una marea di tempo per risalire al post  Grin
Eccolo qui, era nel thread delle tasse: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25061.msg58017013#msg58017013

Comunque non intendevo dire che un singolo caso di un avvocato possa cambiare le regole quanto piuttosto che questo avvocato, essendosi rivolto direttamente alla Consob per far presente che "Binance truffa gli utenti italiani" (il succo del discorso è quello) ha chiaramente attirato l'attenzione della Consob ancora di più sul mondo delle critpovalute, degli exchange, e delle banche che permettono i trasferimenti su exchange. Se magari prima la Consob osservava da lontano, dopo una richiesta del genere ovviamente si sono buttati a capofitto, non per niente, altra casualità, dopo Binance la Consob ha bloccato pure Gate.io e qualche altro exchange, e pure i problemi con le banche sono aumentati.

Ripeto, sarà tutta una incredibile coincidenza, ma a me pare chiaro che questo caso abbia spalancato una porta che difficilmente si richiuderà anzi, gli utenti italiani avranno sempre più problemi e limitazioni. Magari sono cose che sarebbero accadute lo stesso tra qualche anno, chissà...
3002  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: N26 - strane cose in atto on: April 16, 2022, 01:28:28 AM
Io però mi chiedo: queste banche operano con successo da annni in tante giurisdizioni europee; come mai i problemi di questo genere sono solo nelle filiali italiane? Usano procedure diverse per applicare le medesime leggi? Oppure hanno dei "concorrenti" particolarmente agguerriti, e mi riferisco qui agli "attori legacy", ovvero quelli più danneggiati da qeusti sviluppi: banche, fondi pensione, assicurazioni?
Sarà un caso ma da quando un certo avvocato ha minacciato Binance per ottenere un po' di soldi facili (avevo postato info tempo fa nel thread BTC pump) e hanno successivamente messo di mezzo la Consob dato che Binance gli ha riso in faccia, varie exchange e banche che trattano le cripto hanno iniziato a prendere le distanze dai clienti italiani. Questo potrebbe semplicemente essere l'ennesimo caso.
3003  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: UE e possibile nuovo regolamento wallet crypto: rischi sicurezza personale on: April 16, 2022, 01:23:35 AM
Quante occasioni perse dovremo contare?
Direi molte, perché come dicevo manca proprio l'interesse nel cercare di capire come sfruttare le cripto invece di dargli contro a prescindere. Purtroppo tutto fa pensare che per l'UE le cripto sono solo una seccatura, un problema da limitare, complicare l'uso, e basta, null'altro. Non che da dei politicanti di 50-60 anni mi aspettassi molto altro onestamente.
3004  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: UE e possibile nuovo regolamento wallet crypto: rischi sicurezza personale on: April 15, 2022, 03:12:07 PM
gli svizzeri si lamentano dei loro legislatori (ne avranno motivo) solo perche non hanno visto i nostri
Ovviamente ognuno si lamenta per quello che è abituato ricevere. Probabilmente in Giappone ci sarà gente che ritiene inaccettabile che il treno possa arrivare con 30" di ritardo  Grin

Comunque spero che la UE ascolti attentamente le lamentele degli exchange e che qualcuno effettivamente comprenda il problema, è l'unica speranza che abbiamo.
MA NON DEVE ASCOLTARE LE LAMENTELE
deve studiare altrimenti non serve a niente
se non studia l'argomento sul quale legifera, dove andiamo!?
cioe se io un argomento non lo conosco, sto zitto o chiedo timidamente o me lo studio
non mi pare una cosa anormale
Se avessero voluto studiare o informarsi lo avrebbero fatto prima di proporre questa legge, quindi è chiaro che non gli importi interessarsi. A questo punto rimangono solo le lamentele fatte da qualcuno che sa effettivamente come funzionano le cose e che magari possono effettivamente sollevare qualche dubbio sull'effettiva efficacia. Se stiamo qui ad aspettare e sperare che i nostri burocrati si informino e capiscano il funzionamento delle crypto saremmo già rovinati.
3005  Economy / Services / Re: [HODL] [banned mixer] Signature Campaign | Up to 0.005 BTC/W on: April 14, 2022, 02:28:57 PM
Friends, the campaign is over, so you can remove the captions (those who haven't already). If Jambler management decides to continue the campaign in the future, I'll be glad to see you all again! In addition, the site is currently undergoing maintenance, so everything is in order (thanks for your vigilance).

I can say that it was a pleasure to work with all of you, and I hope that in the future I will have a new opportunity to collaborate with such hardcore posters.

best regards
icopress
Thank you!
3006  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Blockchain.com Reward account bloccato e cripto in staking sparite on: April 13, 2022, 05:09:00 PM
mail ricevuta oggi :

Apr 13, 2022, 8:49 GMT+1
Ciao ,
 Tutti i controlli sono stati completati e ora siamo in grado di trasferire i fondi sul tuo nuovo conto.
 Avevo solo una domanda prima di attivare questo.
 Nel momento in cui i tuoi fondi sono detenuti nel nostro conto premi, ciò significa che i tuoi fondi accumulano un tasso di interesse su base giornaliera e vengono quindi pagati alla fine del mese.
Vorresti mantenere il conto premi fondi e noi li trasferiamo e gli interessi mensili accumulati all'inizio di maggio, o preferisci il trasferimento dei tuoi fondi ora e poi richiedere il trasferimento degli interessi in un secondo momento?
 Non vedo l'ora di sentire di nuovo.

Vediamo se se ne viene a capo....
Ci avrei giurato che ci sarebbe stato un "ma"  Grin

Dai che forse sei veramente alla fine!
3007  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: [Meta] Andamento sezione italiana on: April 12, 2022, 03:46:36 PM
Davvero non mi capacito come vi siano solo 60 utenti al mese, quando canali TG con 10k persone siano la norma.
Frequenti tanti gruppi Telegram, vero? Ecco, in tal caso preferirei tutta la vita rimanere con 60 utenti al mese piuttosto che trovare anche qui sul forum lo stesso livello di messaggi che si trovano su TG  Grin Già mi immagino la sezione invasa dai thread "Shiba a $1 è possibile", "Ho investito in Hyperfund e sto facendo tantissimi soldi", "Cosa ne pensate di Binance?"  Cheesy

Oramai i forum sono vecchia scuola, i messaggi vanno pensati, i thread vanno creati, troppo sbatti per la gente. Sicuramente avremo qualche nuovo utente, se già 10-15 all'anno sarebbero tantissimi secondo me, il mondo sta andando in un altra direzione, e alla fine non è neanche detto che sia un male per noi, io ho sempre preferito la qualità alla quantità.
3008  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: UE e possibile nuovo regolamento wallet crypto: rischi sicurezza personale on: April 11, 2022, 01:43:37 PM
gli svizzeri si lamentano dei loro legislatori (ne avranno motivo) solo perche non hanno visto i nostri
Ovviamente ognuno si lamenta per quello che è abituato ricevere. Probabilmente in Giappone ci sarà gente che ritiene inaccettabile che il treno possa arrivare con 30" di ritardo  Grin

Comunque spero che la UE ascolti attentamente le lamentele degli exchange e che qualcuno effettivamente comprenda il problema, è l'unica speranza che abbiamo.
3009  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Bitcoin continue to have the same effect on alts? on: April 10, 2022, 07:52:05 PM
What do y'all think? Will BTC price movement continue to have the same effect on alts price in like 10 years? 20 years maybe? Let's hear some expert opinions.
In 10 years probably at least 80% of the alt coins we have now will be long gone. I wanted to say 90% but I din't want to exaggerate. Also in 10 years bitcoin's volatility should be way less than today, so I still think that the whole market will be influenced by bitcoin movements, but I don't think we'll see -40% movements.
3010  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Time to leave btc on: April 10, 2022, 05:00:05 PM
No movement of btc so its time to leave and come back after 2 years.
Its just not moving where is the daily 20-30% price swings? Of alt coins also? ,barerly 5% price moves in few days for that long you cant earn nothing with futures.
I leave btc im disapointed it just dont move i need btc to move no short no long just standing all market thats not why we here for.
Lets see in few years if btc is fixed and it moves again now nothing to do here for this year maybe one month there is movement but thats not enough we need to earn money everyday but if btc dont move then nothing to do.

So i come back after few years then lets see if they have fixed btc.
So you are pretty much complaining that bitcoin is become more stable and less "extreme" compared to what it used to be? Before people complain that bitcoin can't be taken seriously because of the high volatility, then volatility gets reduced and people complain because the price doesn't change... People like you should really go a post office and ask there investment advise because clearly you don't deserve bitcoin.
3011  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 30% tax on crypto income in INDIA on: April 10, 2022, 03:18:34 PM
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Several countries are already losing crypto-millionaires because of the crazy taxes, and some smart countries are welcoming this new wealthy generation that is going to invest and spend money in their countries.
When you have dumb politicians who are making these rule set, people will move out to safer zones where the taxes are really low or tax free heavens. A few of my friends in the cryptocurrency space moved to Saint Kitts and Nevis where there is no income tax and some of them moved to UAE. If not for the high taxes, would have stayed back but now they force everyone with substantial amount to move out of the country. I would not mind paying 10% to 15%, but 30% is too much of money for the hard work and risk we take.
I remember that I read an article time ago (which I can't find right now) that was explain why and how people are willing to pay taxes up to 15% if I remember properly, when taxes go above 15% usually people will start finding ways to declare less, etc, because they feel it's too much. Of course the more they increase taxes, the more people will start declaring less than what they should actually declare to save some money.
3012  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 30% tax on crypto income in INDIA on: April 10, 2022, 07:38:50 AM
Their target seems 100% for crypto tax, it is absolutely the situation when all crypto investors have no choice to survive. 100% = ban.  Undecided
How can you tax something at 100%? If you tax 100% of the gains it means that they take everything, so why should someone even take the risk to buy crypto in that case? It also would be a ridiculous way to ban cryptos, at that point they can simply say they are banned, just like China did, hiding behind a "100% tax rule" doesn't make sense.
3013  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 30% tax on crypto income in INDIA on: April 10, 2022, 05:55:48 AM
The 30% tax rate does not seem to satisfy the Indian government, recently it has been reported that they want to increase the tax from 30% to 50%. This is crazy, they are clearly trying to discourage Indian investors and force them to give up crypto instead of enacting a law banning it. If this passes, it will be the end of the crypto market in India.
https://beincrypto.com/indian-ruling-party-mp-suggests-increasing-crypto-tax-from-30-to-50/
Or simply people will completely stop declaring any crypto possession and will find a way to spend cryptos without withdrawing them from the exchanges. 30% is already crazy, 50% it really means they live on a different planet.
3014  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 30% tax on crypto income in INDIA on: April 10, 2022, 02:42:31 AM
Anyone who is holding a much larger holding of cryptocurrency will move out of the country rather than paying 30% tax because you are bound to pay irrespective to your profit or loss from what i understand. I know a few individuals who already moved out to tax free heavens and i know a few planning to move out of the country simply because of 30% tax which is really high with the amount of crypto they are holding.
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I think it's almost kind of funny how governments always think that simply raising taxes is the solution for everything, and at the same time the more the taxes are high, the more people will do everything in order to avoid paid them. Several countries are already losing crypto-millionaires because of the crazy taxes, and some smart countries are welcoming this new wealthy generation that is going to invest and spend money in their countries.
3015  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Banche italiane che bloccano bonifici verso exchange on: April 09, 2022, 08:29:25 PM
Sei un trader BTC in prevalenza? Unicredit non è ancora riuscita a inserire nel fantastico gestionale rischi il tuo profilo, quindi qualcuno deve fare delle indagini o richieste a mano (per es. la buona vecchia telefonata).

Questo secondo me è il problema di fondo
Il problema di fondo è che non hanno voglia di sbattersi, tutto lì. Non per niente di solito le banche sono quasi tutte a favore o contro, è difficile trovare banche neutrali. Mi ricorda molto la situazione che ho dovuto affrontare quando dovevo aprire un conto bancario negli USA prima dell'arrivo del visto: svariate banche mi dissero che non era possibile farlo oppure volevano una quantità ridicola di documenti; poi ho conosciuto un italiano che lavorava in banca e lui si è specializzato ad aprire conti a stranieri nella mia situazione, quindi portava un sacco di clienti alla sua banca perché è tra le pochissime persone che sapeva come svolgere questa procedura, tantissimi altri invece non volevano seccature e preferivano rinunciare.
3016  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Madeira and Prospera adopting bitcoin as legal tender on: April 09, 2022, 06:13:08 PM
I seriously doubt that Madeira president has authority to declare bitcoin being legal tender before Portugal does the same (or unless they allow them)
I don't think either, even if they're autonomous they are still part of Portugal, and something important like the national currency is something above them. The only direct way would be to become totally independent, but it wouldn't make sense. Let's see if in the next days there will be more declarations from Madeira's president.
3017  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 30% tax on crypto income in INDIA on: April 09, 2022, 03:37:13 PM
This is going to impact only the Indian cryptocurrency market that, with all due respect, it's not very important. We survived the actual ban from China, not for bitcoin only but for mining as well, having or not having India won't change things, I just feel sorry for the Indian people.

I mean I wouldn't say its not very important? Because according to statistics, India has the most "number" of people owning crypto. Just by sheer number of people, it has the "largest user base", 100 million, compared to the ~25-30 million in USA. Sure, USA still has the most trading volume and India isn't even close, but this growth in India has been just in the past 1-3 years. The growth is exponential, mostly due to the median age of Indian population being 28.4 yrs (Source: worldometers), and them being eager to learn about new technology.
To be honest I'm very surprised to see that 7.30% of the Indian population own crypto, it's way more than what I was expecting. Anyway I don't change my mind, we always looked at China as one of the most important countries for the crypto world, they banned bitcoin, closed down exchanges and mining factories, and yet we're still here. At this point I'm curious to see if the Indian government will understand that this 30% tax is not gonna help anyone.
3018  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will Bitcoin's price stabilize someday? on: April 09, 2022, 03:28:05 PM
Why do you think Bitcoin's price hasn't stabilized yet? Is there a possibility they will stabilize in the future? Your input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Smiley
One of the main reasons, probably, is that there still are too many whales out there, and if they work together they can actually move the price as they prefer. And of course paper hands as soon as they see a -3% sell everything, making their game. Anyway lately many bitcoins have been bought by big companies, and I feel like the price has been a little more stable, probably because they don't care selling when it goes down since they have more market experience.
3019  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Have you, or would you ever use a Bitcoin ATM? on: April 09, 2022, 01:00:03 AM
I used a particular bitcoin atm that takes spare change and can give you the fund in btc.

The real problem was the fees. I had deposited around $120 in change and only got about $95 back in actual bitcoin. Bitcoin ATMs are in no way the way to go for a beginner looking to get some money in bitcoin. The fees would instantly turn them off.
Wow, that's pretty crazy! But it also makes sense, at the end the ATM are mainly made for people who want to change some extra money or want to get a "bitcoin experience", maybe because they can simply say they bought some bitcoins, well, satoshis. At least the more the install the more people will start wondering if maybe they should change some useless fiat for bitcoin.
3020  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: CEX ruins the true value of Bitcoin on: April 09, 2022, 12:55:49 AM
The possibility of theft from members of the platform themselves, even if they are its owners, remains a possibility that cannot be abandoned. We have seen similar cases in the past so we do not cancel any hypothesis. And I think we all remember the MT.GOX platform, which is an issue that has not yet been resolved after making sure that the project managers were the ones who stole the users' money. Assuming that platform owners are rich, users' savings represent a much larger figure that can be easily obtained instead of working to make a profit.
Could you please remind me in what year MtGox scammed its users? Many things changed in the meantime, and all the exchanges that scammed usually were minor exchanges, sometimes located in secondary countries (I remember one in Turkey for example). Of course everyone can believe what he wants to believe, if you think that Coinbase or Binance will scam their users, you are totally free to think it. But again, I don't see a single reason for them to do it.
If i am not wrong, it was 2014-2015.
It's a famous case. Please take a look at it.
The main reason for someone to scam others is greedness which you won't see until the incident happens.
I double checked, it happened in February 2014 and they stole approx $473 mln, which of course is a huge amount of money even today, but at the same time it's not that much compared to the current exchanges gains through the commissions. CZ alone is worth at least $75 billions, so the difference is huge.

With my statement I don't mean we need to trust CEX at 100% but for sure many things changed in the last 7-8 years.
I am pretty sure that nothing important has been developped since then expect the inerfer of SEC authorities for similar cases. Many other projects turn into a scam after building the good reputation for several years. Not toention examples like Yobit and HitBtc who are still operating despite the accusations .
Yobit and HitBtc were kind of shady almost since the beginning, I've never used them and I absolutely don't plan to ever do it. I'm surprised there still are people who use those exchanges. I've only used Bitstamp at the very beginning, then Kraken and Bitfinex, now pretty much only Binance, Kucoin and Gate.
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