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3441  Economy / Reputation / Re: The Bromance of FruitsBasket and CryptoSparks on: September 24, 2019, 07:23:20 PM
Aside from FruitBasket there is really no one defending CryptoSharks on the services he is offering so I wouldn't give too much weight on him since he is only one person which can't be proven reliable. It's obvious that only one person is saving his ass that it can only mean they are either working together or FruitBasket is paid to save him, I don't see how only one person is giving him a good feedback when he claims that he has a good trading both that provides "guaranteed returns" to its users.

So now some ones innocence or guilt is determined by how many people defend them? This is the popularity contest I was speaking of previously in addition to the burden of being judged guilty until proven innocent. Not only do people have to prove themselves innocent to the mob, but if they don't grovel sufficiently it doesn't matter how much they prove  their innocence. Plenty of people have no one defend them even when they did nothing wrong simply based on the fact that they don't want to be the next target of the mob for daring to contradict them, exactly like is being done to FruitBasket.
3442  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Must StandUp - no escape from idiocracy on: September 24, 2019, 07:05:33 PM
"Good times bring weak men. Weak men bring hard times. Hard times bring strong men. Strong men bring good times."
3443  Other / Meta / Re: It's quite time for some cooperation or moderation toward signature campaigns. on: September 24, 2019, 07:40:08 AM
I just wanted to add, that as a dedicated student of economics, minimum wage centralized price control systems are always counter productive and IMO are not a solution to these issues here.
3444  Other / Meta / Re: It's quite time for some cooperation or moderation toward signature campaigns. on: September 24, 2019, 06:00:28 AM
I have a suggestion. The primary issue seems to be signature managers not upholding standards which results in spam and other issues. I think these issues could be largely combated by forming a sort of signature manager's union. This would be loosely organized but focused on making sure each of its manager members upholds certain standards which protect their own industry by using sustainable business practices.

Once formed, campaigns which explicitly flaunt these standards could be blacklisted, and users who participate in blacklisted campaigns would themselves be barred from participating in the well managed campaigns. Obviously this method has some potential for abuse itself, but if transparency, clearly defined standards, an fair notice is given to users participating in barred campaigns, I think abuse could be minimized while also choking out the worst of the abusers.
3445  Economy / Reputation / Re: The Bromance of FruitsBasket and CryptoSparks on: September 24, 2019, 04:23:03 AM
Its sad watching you devolve into such a pathetic muckraker DirewolfM14. Just remember when the standard is mob justice, inevitably you become the target of the mob instead of part of it.
3446  Economy / Reputation / Re: DT everyone? cryptoji.net agency cheating translators from the forum on: September 23, 2019, 04:49:01 PM
Looks like theft of services to me. Furthermore they had no right to demand corrections after the fact in order to get paid. That alone is not legal unless it was agreed upon before work started. I would likely support a flag if you created one.

What do you try to support? That a bad done job should be paid? Of course not.  Too many times that projects reject a translation work as a whole (harming honest translators) because of few dishonest users that fuc**ed up.

Sorry, your story just isn't adding up. Best case this is extremely poor management. I would advise the following course of action, innocent or guilty.

1. Pay everyone here who has a claim.
2. Get this flag dropped (which I will support if you pay)
3. Write up a clear contract for future use that protects you from shitty translation, gives you options for corrections, and clearly details all payment terms, responsibilities, and time frames.

Even if you are being truthful, these issues are result of poor management on your part. Chock up the loss as a learning experience, salvage your reputation, and move forward using a solid contract agreement that protects you in the future.
3447  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Howdy, Modi! on: September 23, 2019, 06:56:53 AM
I watched some of this rally, it was pretty interesting. I have hope the USA and India can grow closer, because this kind of partnership is required to keep China in check, besides the great economic benefits of the partnership. At the end of the day the USA and India share a lot of common values, and that is a good foundation for any alliance.
3448  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Tard dances around main issues in pathetic attempt to argue the peripheral on: September 23, 2019, 06:52:01 AM
Those first few replies aren't an argument and are the debate equivalent of "NO U!"

Is the video still on YouTube or not?

Nope, it is apples to apples.
Definition of "bribe"
"something given or promised in order to improperly influence a person's conduct or decision"

Sure sounds like it meets the definition of bribery to me.

Of course it does.

You also used the words "with no finding of wrong doing" after implying the investigation was concluded when nothing of the sort happened.

Was wrong doing found or not?

Incomplete investigations rarely create findings of wrong doing. Investigations remain active until officially closed. Yes a 3 year old murder case would still be considered active until officially closed.

False. "Cold cases" have 2 different statuses:

- open, active
- open, inactive

Perhaps this information would have been investigated if corrupt high level officials such as Biden were not extorting them to not do so.

Wrong. Your timeline of events is off. I went over this already in my first post. Besides I thought it was a bribe. Now its an extortion? Way to up the bullshit ante.

Nice victim blaming.

How SJW of you.

I especially like the part where you claim the intended results of the crime itself is some how evidence of it not happening.

What does this even mean? "Intended results of the crime"? What crime? I didn't know anybody had been accused of a crime other than by the conspiratard media.

Oh plenty will come of this, don't worry cupcake. Biden's legacy is over, and many other high level officials are going to face prosecution. You argue about meaningless peripheral issues all you like. The truth is coming out, and your butt is gong to be so hurt you are going to suffer a prolapse from the sheer force of your head being yanked out of your ass when the news breaks.

Not one shred of this statement will become truth. But I'm quoting it in its entirety for future reference. Not that being proven utterly wrong about something has ever compelled you to admit it in the past.

Way to argue about Youtube, because that is the important part of this information right? You couldn't be struggling to find nits to pick since you can't argue the main points now could you?  The investigation was never completed, which is coincidentally the intent of the bribe/extortion in the first place. The fact that Biden's goal was met is not evidence that supports him.

Again, regardless of your desperate semantic dance around peripheral issues, cold case or not, investigations are not over until closed. There is nothing wrong with my timeline as I already explained, because Hunter Biden was receiving payments from this company well before he was on the board. You blaming the target of the threat for complying with demands has nothing to do with SJWs.

If the bribe/extortion was successful, this would have been exactly the desired result, so the fact that the case was not pursued is further evidence of a crime on Biden's part, especially considering that Hunter was previously a suspect and suddenly not. Bribery/extortion is a crime, in addition to whatever corruption Hunter Biden was involved in.

You remember cupcake. Burn it into your memory. I can't wait for you to make yourself scarce when it comes out so you can avoid the large 3 course meal of crow I will have prepared for you just like Flying Hellfish with his Russian collusion delusions.

EDIT: Well, that didn't take very long.

"Giuliani Hits Bidens With New $3 Million "Ukraine-Latvia-Cyprus" Money Laundering Accusation"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/giuliani-hits-bidens-new-3-million-ukraine-latvia-cyprus-money-laundering-accusation
3449  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Escrow explained on: September 23, 2019, 05:50:28 AM
How about we don't turn this informative thread into a shit slinging pile like so many others on the forum. Go to the respective services thread, or use the feedback system to rate users. Better yet if you've already said the same thing numerous times before, then let it go.

The purpose here is to explain what can be seen as a foreign concept to many, but is business as usual here.


OP I was thinking you may want to add a section about choosing an escrow, and how to perform due diligance. Like verifying signatures, checking feedback.


That would be great, but unfortunately I can't prevent this mentally ill stalker from following me around and slinging shit. Unlike him I had a valid reason to chime in here as I was directly mentioned.
3450  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Tard dances around main issues in pathetic attempt to argue the peripheral on: September 23, 2019, 05:29:39 AM
1.This has nothing to do with the veracity of the subject matter.

The "subject matter" is a bullshit headline designed to give right wing conspiratards a hard on. Its basically click bait.

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Video of Joe Biden admitting that he bribed the Ukrainian President with $1 billion dollars

wrong

Quote
to fire lead prosecutor investigating his corrupt son

bullshit

Quote
is being scrubbed from YouTube and other social media.

utter bullshit.

2. If some one "loans" a cop $10,000 to ignore the kilo of cocaine in their backseat, do you think a court of law would see it that way?

Apples and oranges.

Just because he is using taxpayer money to make payoffs and calls it a "loan" doesn't make it any less of a bribe. "loans" are a well documented method of making payoffs by high level organized crime such as the mafia.

Your lack of understanding of the actual pretext and conditions of the loan is not a valid excuse for calling it a "bribe."

3.  From your own source:

"There’s little question that the Bidens’ paths in Ukraine held the potential for conflict, and in a tweet last week, Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani said the U.S. should investigate the matter. But what has received less attention is that at the time Biden made his ultimatum, the probe into the company -- Burisma Holdings, owned by Mykola Zlochevsky -- had been long dormant, according to the former official, Vitaliy Kasko.

There was no pressure from anyone from the U.S. to close cases against Zlochevsky,” Kasko said in an interview last week. “It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015.”"

So as you can see, you are clearly providing yourself a lot of creative license with your claims. The case was "dormant" not concluded, so claims it was concluded finding no wrongdoing is clearly disingenuous.

The investigation wasn't going anywhere. Use of the words "dormant" and "shelved" confirm this. Its like saying a 3 year old cold case murder investigation is still active. That's why I used to words "effectively concluded."

Shokin told me in written answers to questions that, before he was fired as general prosecutor, he had made “specific plans” for the investigation that “included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”"

Well that's great, he should have done this while the investigation was still active.

I honestly don't think anything negative is going to come of this for Biden or Trump. I just don't care for bullshit sensationalist headlines like the one you linked. If the referenced video actually does get "scrubbed," then maybe you'll be on to something. Until then, its bullshit.


Those first few replies aren't an argument and are the debate equivalent of "NO U!"

Nope, it is apples to apples.
Definition of "bribe"
"something given or promised in order to improperly influence a person's conduct or decision"

Sure sounds like it meets the definition of bribery to me.

You also used the words "with no finding of wrong doing" after implying the investigation was concluded when nothing of the sort happened. Incomplete investigations rarely create findings of wrong doing. Investigations remain active until officially closed. Yes a 3 year old murder case would still be considered active until officially closed. Perhaps this information would have been investigated if corrupt high level officials such as Biden were not extorting them to not do so. Nice victim blaming. I especially like the part where you claim the intended results of the crime itself is some how evidence of it not happening.

Oh plenty will come of this, don't worry cupcake. Biden's legacy is over, and many other high level officials are going to face prosecution. You argue about meaningless peripheral issues all you like. The truth is coming out, and your butt is going to be so hurt you are going to suffer a prolapse from the sheer force of your head being yanked out of your ass when the news breaks.
3451  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Escrow explained on: September 23, 2019, 03:31:47 AM
I am nothing but amicable with those who trade with me. I treat every one of my customers with respect and kindness unless they give me a good reason to do otherwise.

Since so many people seem suddenly to give this goof a good reason to be disrespectful to you, I would avoid this profile and work with the many others who will as good of a job (it's not difficult lol) without the shitty attitude TECHshare gives off.

The follow profiles should should still be "safe" for escrow trades.

DarkStar_
philipma1957
Hhampuz

(I would not recommend using OGNasty as his fees are high and he does not report his business to the government.  He is trying to promote bitcoin as a "charity" currency that can save you thousands in stupid useless government taxes.  Smiley )


I would recommend OGNasty as an escrow. Speaking of people giving me a reason... Unlike Vod, I am guaranteed not to report you to the IRS because you criticize me.
3452  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Escrow explained on: September 23, 2019, 01:30:08 AM
. The poster above is simply attempting to sooth their own butt hurt over disagreements totally unrelated to trade.

It is soothe , and it is only sooth in your brain, i have nothing against you , proof is , i included your name in the list of escrow, i could have simply ignored your name.

I gave my honest review , you are trustworthy but you are not a nice person in general, I would use your service again only if i had no other option, being nice is a bonus you know !

I am a nice person to nice people. When people act like a smarmy smart ass that is what they get right back. That is the beauty of using p2p currency, if some one is out of line I have the freedom to tell them to take a flying fuck. If I wanted to cater to entitled aholes I would sell on eBay.
3453  Economy / Reputation / Re: DT everyone? cryptoji.net agency cheating translators from the forum on: September 22, 2019, 11:59:44 PM
Looks like theft of services to me. Furthermore they had no right to demand corrections after the fact in order to get paid. That alone is not legal unless it was agreed upon before work started. I would likely support a flag if you created one.
3454  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating on: September 22, 2019, 11:36:36 PM
Could be true, I wouldn't be surprised.

In my line of thinking, how would someone be able to verify if President Trump had said something or didn't in a confidential call like this. Does someone take notes during this, or is the line recorded for some reason? This is the portion that could help out either side.

Frankly it is irrelevant. Even if it were true doesn't automatically equate to criminal or immoral activity. Also its not a whistleblower, it is just some one within DHS reporting rumors discovered not even related to his work, making him not a whistleblower under the law. Also there is the small fact that Biden doesn't stand a chance of winning as it is, Trump doesn't need to do this to win and doing such a thing would be counterproductive to his goals. None of these accusations against Trump make any sense at all.

"Democrats DEMAND Trump Impeachment Over Ukraine Scandal, Story BACKFIRES On Democrats Instead"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSt7iXWsoMI
3455  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating on: September 22, 2019, 11:30:17 PM
Quote
Video of Joe Biden admitting that he bribed the Ukrainian President with $1 billion dollars to fire lead prosecutor investigating his corrupt son is being scrubbed from YouTube and other social media.

1. The video in your article is hosted on YouTube. Guess the DNC or whoever isn't scrubbing very hard.

2. The subject of contention has nothing to do with a "bribe." It has to do with the release of a condition-based loan.

3. The embezzlement case against Burisma Holdings was handed down to the Ukranian state prosecutor, Viktor Shokin in 2014, 2 months before Hunter Biden took a position in the company. The investigation effectively concluded in 2015 with no finding of wrong doing. Shokin wasn't fired until 2016.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-07/timeline-in-ukraine-probe-casts-doubt-on-giuliani-s-biden-claim

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Hunter Biden joined the board in April 2014, two months after U.K. authorities requested information from Ukraine as part of a probe against Zlochevsky related to money laundering allegations. Zlochevsky had been minister of environmental protection under then-President Viktor Yanukovych, who fled to Russia in February 2014 after mass protests.

After the U.K. request, Ukrainian prosecutors opened their own case, accusing Zlochevsky of embezzling public funds. Burisma and Zlochevsky have denied the allegations.

The case against Zlochevsky and his Burisma Holdings was assigned to Shokin, then a deputy prosecutor. But Shokin and others weren’t pursuing it, according to the internal reports from the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office reviewed by Bloomberg.

In a December 2014 letter, U.S. officials warned Ukrainian prosecutors of negative consequences for Ukraine over its failure to assist the U.K., which had seized Zlochevsky’s assets, according to the documents.

Those funds, $23.5 million, were unblocked in 2015 when a British court determined there wasn’t enough evidence to justify the continued freeze, in part because Ukrainian prosecutors had failed to provide the necessary information.

It would appear that this Shokin guy was too soft and ineffective in his investigation, which completely contradicts the narrative of Biden Did Bad Thing.

This story is a big bowl of nothing except for the fact that it looks like Trump pushed too hard for a reopening of an investigation into Hunter Biden and got caught in the process.

I mean lets be real, all of us are just going to sit around fighting one another on the subject matter here. None of us are keyed into what really did happeen, and I really doubt anything is ever going to come out of this. Maybe that's just me being cynical here, but yeah.

Biden has some cover, at least -- at least at first. He's able to say that the prosecutor was corrupt, which is true and has been proven.

I guess we'll see in the coming weeks if anything comes out of this. Though I do doubt it.

This is just a Democrat attempt at Russagate 2.0 which will fail even worse than the first time, mark my words. The blow back against the dems hasn't even begun to drop yet over Russiagate. When it all comes out suddenly the last 3 years of insane unending accusations will be clearly demonstrated as a desperate attempt to save their own asses, just like this.
3456  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Escrow explained on: September 22, 2019, 11:17:35 PM
I am nothing but amicable with those who trade with me. I treat every one of my customers with respect and kindness unless they give me a good reason to do otherwise. PM anyone who has left me a trust rating and ask for yourself. The poster above is simply attempting to sooth their own butt hurt over disagreements totally unrelated to trade. Furthermore you seemed rather satisfied with my service.

"mikeywith   2019-05-03      used his escrow service for a trade, he was patient ,professional and most importantly trustworthy. "

What kind of escrow do you want, a pushover who acts nice, or an escrow who will do what is right no mater who it is throwing a fit?
3457  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son on: September 22, 2019, 08:48:15 PM

"Ukraine FM Prystaiko On Trump Pressure on Zelenskyy"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCQqpSskeDU

Anyone can post bullshit to youtube. See BADecker constantly posting bullshit videos.

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrmQsHQcrVc

Youtube sources.

What does this have to do with the validity of the content? Are you arguing that that is not a video of Ukraine Foreign Minister Prystaiko denying Trump pressured them from his own mouth?

https://en.hromadske.ua/posts/trump-did-not-pressure-zelenskyy-we-are-independent-state-prystaiko
3458  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son on: September 22, 2019, 08:30:15 PM
Yep, you'll get that evidence any day now... any day...

Not from this administration. It doesn't recognize congressional oversight.

Facts don't require congressional oversight to be revealed, even if your claims were true.

"Ukraine FM Prystaiko On Trump Pressure on Zelenskyy"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCQqpSskeDU
3459  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son on: September 22, 2019, 08:13:08 PM
Just more bullshit to justify holding aid hostage from Ukraine. Of course, this will be an impeachment offense for Trump.

Just more Republican corruption at the highest levels of government.  Roll Eyes

Yep, you'll get that evidence any day now... any day...
3460  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating on: September 22, 2019, 06:37:11 PM
Quote
Video of Joe Biden admitting that he bribed the Ukrainian President with $1 billion dollars to fire lead prosecutor investigating his corrupt son is being scrubbed from YouTube and other social media.

1. The video in your article is hosted on YouTube. Guess the DNC or whoever isn't scrubbing very hard.

2. The subject of contention has nothing to do with a "bribe." It has to do with the release of a condition-based loan.

3. The embezzlement case against Burisma Holdings was handed down to the Ukranian state prosecutor, Viktor Shokin in 2014, 2 months before Hunter Biden took a position in the company. The investigation effectively concluded in 2015 with no finding of wrong doing. Shokin wasn't fired until 2016.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-07/timeline-in-ukraine-probe-casts-doubt-on-giuliani-s-biden-claim

Quote
Hunter Biden joined the board in April 2014, two months after U.K. authorities requested information from Ukraine as part of a probe against Zlochevsky related to money laundering allegations. Zlochevsky had been minister of environmental protection under then-President Viktor Yanukovych, who fled to Russia in February 2014 after mass protests.

After the U.K. request, Ukrainian prosecutors opened their own case, accusing Zlochevsky of embezzling public funds. Burisma and Zlochevsky have denied the allegations.

The case against Zlochevsky and his Burisma Holdings was assigned to Shokin, then a deputy prosecutor. But Shokin and others weren’t pursuing it, according to the internal reports from the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office reviewed by Bloomberg.

In a December 2014 letter, U.S. officials warned Ukrainian prosecutors of negative consequences for Ukraine over its failure to assist the U.K., which had seized Zlochevsky’s assets, according to the documents.

Those funds, $23.5 million, were unblocked in 2015 when a British court determined there wasn’t enough evidence to justify the continued freeze, in part because Ukrainian prosecutors had failed to provide the necessary information.

It would appear that this Shokin guy was too soft and ineffective in his investigation, which completely contradicts the narrative of Biden Did Bad Thing.

This story is a big bowl of nothing except for the fact that it looks like Trump pushed too hard for a reopening of an investigation into Hunter Biden and got caught in the process.

1.This has nothing to do with the veracity of the subject matter.

2. If some one "loans" a cop $10,000 to ignore the kilo of cocaine in their backseat, do you think a court of law would see it that way? Just because he is using taxpayer money to make payoffs and calls it a "loan" doesn't make it any less of a bribe. "loans" are a well documented method of making payoffs by high level organized crime such as the mafia.

3.  From your own source:

"There’s little question that the Bidens’ paths in Ukraine held the potential for conflict, and in a tweet last week, Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani said the U.S. should investigate the matter. But what has received less attention is that at the time Biden made his ultimatum, the probe into the company -- Burisma Holdings, owned by Mykola Zlochevsky -- had been long dormant, according to the former official, Vitaliy Kasko.

“There was no pressure from anyone from the U.S. to close cases against Zlochevsky,” Kasko said in an interview last week. “It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015.”"

So as you can see, you are clearly providing yourself a lot of creative license with your claims. The case was "dormant" not concluded, so claims it was concluded finding no wrongdoing is clearly disingenuous.

Also that article is from May, could you possibly find an older one? More information has come to light.

Additionally him being on the board of directors was not his only connection to the company.

"U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.

The general prosecutor’s official file for the Burisma probe — shared with me by senior Ukrainian officials — shows prosecutors identified Hunter Biden, business partner Devon Archer and their firm, Rosemont Seneca, as potential recipients of money.

Shokin told me in written answers to questions that, before he was fired as general prosecutor, he had made “specific plans” for the investigation that “included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”"

"Between April 2014 and October 2015, more than $3 million was paid out of Burisma accounts to an account linked to Biden’s and Archer’s Rosemont Seneca firm, according to the financial records placed in a federal court file in Manhattan in an unrelated case against Archer."

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived


This is exactly the same old stale strategy Democrats used for the whole "Russian collusion" narrative, accuse your opponent of the crime you yourself are guilty of. Just like Russiagate, this is again going to blow up in Democrat's faces.

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