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2541  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: OgNasty Ponzi passthrough and ponzi fans.. BTC losses everywhere he goes on: December 11, 2019, 08:21:02 AM
Anybody who can understand English knows what he meant. Let's look at it again:

Is there anyone who thought Patrick Harnett & Pirate were doing honest dealings?  I certainly hope not. 

He uses the word "thought", as in "thought at the time." Don't know how you could possibly confuse this, but I'm sure you'll find a way.

What part of any of this changes the fact that there are no victims seeking redress and this is purely driven by clear long term motives to target OGNasty rather than to seek any kind of restorative justice?


TECSHARE either isn't aware of what's actually going on in this thread, or he's actively trying to protect OgN by making it seem like he's "only" being accused of getting involved with a big ponzi scheme.

It's obvious TECHY is protecting OG - that's why he suggested I move to China, where you can easily pay off government officials.

No thanks Techy, the best place to legitimize crypto is HERE where the laws are enforced.  (Not this forum obviously, but our democracy)

Protecting OG from what? Mobs of midget dicks like you with serious inferiority complexes along with other comorbid compulsive psychological conditions? That tale you have spun about why I suggested you would like China is quite entertaining. Not the suggestion so much as you probably believe that those mental gymnastics make sense to anyone other than you. I am not sure why if I was corrupt and wanted to pay people off I would suggest you would want to live there, but your refractory projections usually don't make any logical sense now do they? After all the point is to just topic slide with horse shit until people get frustrated tired of trying to decipher the truth now isn't it? That is a game of volume not quality or logic.

You aren't interested in preserving the law or any kind of justice, all you are concerned with is the perception of control that attempting to use the state to fight your petty interpersonal battles gives you. You really honestly are a pathetic excuse for a human being and it is far past time you are shunned from this community for your endless power tripping psychotic abusive behavior.

2542  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: December 11, 2019, 06:05:27 AM


"Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.

The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.

Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.

Overall, state records show 10.6 percent of the precincts in the 22 counties that began the retabulation process couldn’t be recounted because of state law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals.

The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes."

https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/
2543  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: OgNasty Ponzi passthrough and ponzi fans.. BTC losses everywhere he goes on: December 11, 2019, 06:00:41 AM
the 1000 traces to being paid to investors.

The BTC1000 tx is the third to last up there ^^^ and is on this paginate:

https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/000c9e9219e1faec?page=55

Of the BTC1000

only ~BTC650 left the wallet...I think.  That tx looks weird though if someone could take a closer look.


After that he received 2 more from Pirate (and a bunch of small stuff that doesn't matter) with the last one being for BTC38 on the same day, August 17, that pirate announced it was closing down, and OG posted in his thread that he had request all deposit be returned (and then updated later that pirate defaulted and reserves were paid).

2 days later he sent BTC380 to an address that shortly was moved to silk road.  I don't think this was a payout to an investor due to timing and tx size.

Then on September 1, the day he said reserves were paid out,  he sent 4 transactions of BTC22.95, BTC27.54, BTC4.59, BTC9.92, which is pretty close to my original guess on the value of total reserves.

This is not conclusive proof, it looks like he had control of more of the deposits than he should've in early August.  I'll go through the individual investors deposit/interest-payment/reserve payout history later and it will be more clear.

Might have messed up a number or two somewhere, let me know.

I took the liberty of placing more baseless speculation in bold.
2544  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: December 11, 2019, 05:56:56 AM
Oh right, dem deep state voter conspiracy, totally forgot about that one.  Roll Eyes Too bad they didn't have enough foresight to affect the states where the vote actually mattered and instead plowed extra votes into states that Hillary was already going to win.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

So your point is they are incompetent and the popular vote margin consisted largely of states most likely to have the most fraud in raw numbers rendering it largely a meaningless metric when accounting for fraud? I agree.
2545  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: OgNasty Ponzi passthrough and ponzi fans.. BTC losses everywhere he goes on: December 11, 2019, 05:43:49 AM
[Posts the same TX details over again to topic slide because it looks convincingly official and is a good way to avoid an actual substantive reply.]

None of this is nearly the same as collecting funds to be deposited into what apparently everybody knew was a Ponzi scheme, Og included.
...

I took the liberty of putting the perfect hindsight and speculation in underline and bold.

This statement doesn't reflect hindsight, it reflects having a feeling about something as it was happening speculation about feelings people may or may not have had in hindsight about something that was happening.

I fixed that for you.
2546  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: December 11, 2019, 05:37:36 AM
to die on this hill

The polls were in the margin of error

I'm not about to go look up the "margin of error" to see exactly how much wrong each poll was against what they claim is close enough in horseshoes and hand grenades..

I'm not going to look it up either, but the point remains, the polls were actually correct as they were measuring the popular vote and not the electoral vote. Hillary won by 2.87 million votes, or roughly 2.2% of the total vote, which is likely within the margin of error of the polls. Its arguable that the polls didn't include enough voters from states won by Trump, except for the one pollster I mentioned earlier.

You forgot one minor detail...

https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/new-report-exposes-thousands-illegal-votes-2016-election

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/trump-is-right-millions-of-illegals-probably-did-vote-in-2016/

https://thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/voter-fraud-real-heres-proof/

https://themarketswork.com/2018/10/31/is-voter-fraud-real-a-look-at-californias-illegal-voter-registration-problem/

https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/

http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/vote-fraud-in-new-hampshire-5000-illegal-votes-in-2016/

https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/more-cases-voter-fraud-pile-liberals-look-the-other-way

There is a good reason why the Democrat party is so virulently opposed to voter ID laws, and it has nothing to do with protecting minorities, it is all about protecting their thumbs on the scales.
2547  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: OgNasty Ponzi passthrough and ponzi fans.. BTC losses everywhere he goes on: December 11, 2019, 05:24:16 AM
You are involved in the ponzi scheme by way of investigating it. I was involved by coincidentally helping to expose its collapse. Theymos was involved by way of hosting the forum. Hundreds of users were involved tangentially. This is not tantamount to wrongdoing no matter how much you struggle to manufacture that appearance.

None of this is nearly the same as collecting funds to be deposited into what apparently everybody knew was a Ponzi scheme, Og included.

Could it be that nobody complained afterward because everybody knew what they were getting themselves into at the beginning?

We really don't know the specifics because we don't know what was contained in Exhibit 3, other than the name "OgNasty" next to an amount of BTC on a spreadsheet. The number may have been 1,000, it may have been 2,600+ -- we don't know for sure. We also don't know if it reflected Og's personal investment or all the BTC collected from investors, or both.

Its true that all this is well in the past and doesn't really matter anymore from a legal standpoint, but it still demonstrates behavior that is pretty far from trustworthy. The fact that Og won't comment on what Shavers was talking about in his testimony only makes things worse.

I took the liberty of putting the perfect hindsight and speculation in underline and bold. In, other words, even if all of this baseless speculation is true, the so called "victims" don't consider themselves to be an aggrieved party, and this is all being perused for ulterior motives.

Exactly, we don't know the specifics. OGNasty was named. OOoooO. Very impressive, that is for anyone who just casually skims and doesn't bother spending way too much time digging through these records looking for any ACTUAL evidence of wrongdoing. Of course that is the point isn't it? The convince as many people as possible assuming most will just make their own assumptions based on these baseless accusations and speculation while simultaneously not actually providing any definitive evidence of any wrongdoing.

If I was OGNasty I would tell you all to go fuck yourselves too and suggest you find yourself some other steaming heap to pick peanuts out of. This atmosphere of picking through everyone's activities and demanding public explanation for everything just because some one has a figment in their imagination is not just repugnant but dangerous the the freedoms of the community in general and needs to be broken. This is like the 1984 version of crypto with a boot stamping on its face for eternity.

war is peace
freedom is slavery
fascism is legitimacy

Sooner or later you will all be just like OGNasty and each have your turn at the unaccountable mob picking through every intimate detail of your life looking for things to report to the government simply because they can and it makes them feel less like the weak little men they are because they wield power over another. History shows that is really the only motive required for this to develop.
2548  Other / Politics & Society / Re: FLAT MARS on: December 11, 2019, 05:06:48 AM
Here's a P1000 video clip:

[Mars]

Lets compare:


He is not using a tripod and is probably at a much lower elevation and or colder area.
2549  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: December 11, 2019, 05:05:37 AM


Is this polls?
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About the same as right now when Trump won.. And as stated, poll votes from California and similar hopeless states don't matter..

Can't blame a guy for being skeptical of information sources these days, can you?

I don't understand why you are choosing to die on this hill for by blatantly rejecting data that's already been verified to be true. The polls were in the margin of error and swapping out the pictures aren't going to change that. The picture you posted was not a model, but various polls plotted on a single chart.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5952.html

Final polling averages had Clinton up by 3.3 points and the election results was Clinton +2.1 meaning the polls were within the margin of error.

Being skeptical is a healthy thing but ignoring factual data isn't.

Polls are by default and inherently a model attempting to project real human sentiment. Neither polls nor models are by any means "factual" data but merely estimations. There is no such thing as a 100% factual poll, which is why scientifically speaking polls are near the bottom of the hierarchy of standards of evidence as an inherently flawed data collection methodology.

Eddie13 just has two eyes to see and enough functional neurons to realize the dems are far too busy burying themselves to win the election in 2020. The media will do its best to try to muddy the waters to cover up for this and keep people unsure as this is always the strategy based on the reality people will often vote for the candidate they think will win as no one wants to be on the "losing" side. As a result this kabuki act will continue until concession is made even if the Democrat front runner takes a giant steaming dump in their pants on the final debate stage.

The actual silent majority is just waiting for voting day longingly so they can tell the lunatic postmodernist Marxists who disenfranchised them to go fuck themselves. That is the real deciding factor here that dems are blinded to in their frothing spasms directed at Trump. They are too busy pointing at him to wipe the foam from the corners of their mouths.
2550  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: OgNasty Ponzi passthrough and ponzi fans.. BTC losses everywhere he goes on: December 11, 2019, 04:54:57 AM
This community needs to collectively stand up to budding little goosesteppers like this, or else this is going to be the future of crypto. Is that really what you want?

Yes, I'm sure most of use would like to see crypto be legitimate.

That is what we are trying to do by exposing a habitual scammer like OG.

You should move to China if that is the kind of "legitimate" you are looking for. You would fit right in with the CCP.
2551  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] WILL TRUMP BE ELECTED TO A SECOND TERM? on: December 11, 2019, 04:53:41 AM
Seems that any bet against Trump remains heavily in the underdog camp.

I am personally not a big fan of gambling, but if I were I would be more than happy to use this as an opportunity to rob some blindly idealistic Marxists even more blind.
2552  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "California Plans FORCED Internment And Asset Seizure of the Homeless" on: December 11, 2019, 04:43:33 AM
Well if one think deeply about it, it would be worse than prison since there's no clear crime committed (just being "poor") and one can be held indefinitely. But hey, no more poop on the streets reducing the value of my overpriced house, right?! That's what matter most, surely! Grin But still, gotta commend CA for not just shipping them away like NY did.

Never in my worst nightmare have I seen this sort of problem happening in America. The only thing we saw in the 90s were the gleaming skyscrapers in TV shows. Was this problem recent? I haven't even heard of this homeless-shitting-everywhere in the early 2000s.

Exactly. Then what stops them expanding this precedent, perpetually expanding the program, and attaching additional requirements for freedom? This is totally unconstitutional. The homeless problem really started getting out of hand around the 2008 financial crisis, and has only spiraled out of control in certain major city centers since.
2553  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: OgNasty Ponzi passthrough and ponzi fans.. BTC losses everywhere he goes on: December 11, 2019, 04:32:43 AM

Things were different back then

What does that mean?

It means this community was young and still developing without established norms and copious amount of FUD, and for people to point back with perfect hindsight and pretend everything was crystal clear is absolute horse shit.

TECSHARE either isn't aware of what's actually going on in this thread, or he's actively trying to protect OgN by making it seem like he's "only" being accused of getting involved with a big ponzi scheme.

Analogy:

John goes to a party with some friends.  Lots of drugs at party.  Party gets robbed. John stands between robber and his friends to protect them!  Robber makes off with ~$1.5 million in cash.  John and his friends go home broke and sad, but they are glad John protected him.


7 years later evidence is found that shows John stealing $15k from his friends while they think John is protecting them from the robber.



TECSHARE is Johns friend now though, so he defends him.

TECSHARE:  "We didn't know those drugs were bad and illegal!  Things were different back then!  Leave John alone!  WITCH HUNT!!!!"

Don't ever speak for me little girl.

No, it couldn't possibly be that YOU don't know what was going on. You are involved in the ponzi scheme by way of investigating it. I was involved by coincidentally helping to expose its collapse. Theymos was involved by way of hosting the forum. Hundreds of users were involved tangentially. This is not tantamount to wrongdoing no matter how much you struggle to manufacture that appearance.

You aren't looking for justice for any harmed party. You are a mini digital Stazi agent looking to use the state to fight your interpersonal battles. You don't have any evidence of wrongdoing, you are just picking through OGNasty's turds looking for peanuts because your target is OGNasty, not because you are seeking justice for any harmed party. This is to serve yourself and your friends, and this is painfully transparent. This community needs to collectively stand up to budding little goosesteppers like this, or else this is going to be the future of crypto. Is that really what you want?
2554  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump has declared war on water saving toilets and it’s hilarious (15 times) :) on: December 11, 2019, 01:44:36 AM
Sounds like a fake story. But there's some truth to it. In an effort to save sometimes people ended up wasting not just more water, but time and stress. I say get a jug.

Jugs are better in pairs.
2555  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Any USPS Stamp Collectors Here? I have hundreds of stamps ... interest check. on: December 11, 2019, 12:20:03 AM
Any interest? I have a lot more photos if anyone has any interest at all.
2556  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: December 11, 2019, 12:17:47 AM
-complex gambler speak-

I'm not much of a "gambler" but personal bets are fun..
This won't be the first time I've won and been paid on a bet like this here Smiley but could be my first loss...

I like the bet and don't want to hedge against it..
I wanted the bet and someone finally took it, and I'm glad it's you for a few reasons..



the quote from me above was not to suggest a wager, but was pointing out the fact that it is really easy to pretend you were on the right track all along  after the fact when you dither, fence sit, and never declare your own conclusions. Some people like to feel smart on the sidelines never even risking a prediction.

You didn't pressure me, I just upped the ante..
No fence for me..

Maybe I should bet people on stuff like this more often.. I'll keep it in mind..

I wasn't under the impression I pressured you, I just wanted to clarify especially since it was a direct reply to another user. I would tell you good luck with your bet, but seeing how the Democrat party is intent on continuing it's journey to the center of the Earth until they hit a pocket of molten magma, I don't think you need luck.
2557  Other / Off-topic / Re: 1 Mystery Parcel in the whole universe on: December 11, 2019, 12:15:55 AM
Check out my "dark web" mystery box, Could make for an interesting stream Wink

Dark Web and Mystery Box has already been used before many times.


I am doing a Mystery Parcel stream which is made for business people, it contains businesses and high potential information together with other goods!

I am live once again!

Unboxing streams have been used before many times, but that doesn't stop you does it?
2558  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: OgNasty Ponzi passthrough and ponzi fans.. BTC losses everywhere he goes on: December 11, 2019, 12:13:26 AM

Things were different back then

What does that mean?

It means this community was young and still developing without established norms and copious amount of FUD, and for people to point back with perfect hindsight and pretend everything was crystal clear is absolute horse shit.
2559  Other / Off-topic / Re: 1 Mystery Parcel in the whole universe on: December 10, 2019, 11:55:51 PM
Check out my "dark web" mystery box, Could make for an interesting stream Wink
2560  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Nazis were socialists - Change my mind on: December 10, 2019, 11:54:15 PM
Nah, they were only called the "National Socialist German Workers' Party", they weren't socialists just like every other failed attempt at socialism wasn't socialist.
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