A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave. You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations. I have been as documented here. I would stop arguing with you but it is too entertaining. Good to see you still have zero fucking clue what that pretty picture you keep linking means, especially considering the reply in which you placed it belongs on its lowest level. |
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The amazing thing is people denied these claims just months ago. Now they're proven.
It's quite amazing to see internet trolls try to sway the argument.
Turns out Trump and Brexit were populist movements by a shady internet company.
Once again, what is the crime here? |
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Winning arguments is easy when you delete anyone who contradicts you isn't it?
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Another one in Chicago. wow.
That is every week in Chicago. Good thing guns are so restricted there right? |
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A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave. You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations. And people in your country think they should ban guns, if someone had a gun there, he/she might have been able to stop the attack. What country is that? |
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And? Stereotypes are not racist. Please learn the difference. People are racist. Stereotypes can be the ignorance of ignorant people, but not exclusively. Many stereotypes exist for good reason. Statistically Mexicans like tacos. This is a stereotype which generally happens to be true, but has nothing to do with racism. That's the thing about these kind of discussions, the definitions of the words and meanings are just stretched a little bit here, a little bit there, and a little more over here until some one discussing an uncomfortable fact becomes "literally Hitler". You do know that black people are a little touchy about implying that they all like chicken and watermelon. Right? Since I am not Mexican, I am not aware if they would find this disconcerting or not. However, I am certainly not going to go there. Thanks again for another perfect example of you interpreting and stretching the meaning of words, and then projecting it upon others. I said nothing of black people and watermelons, this is a projection of your own mind, and I am not responsible for your fantasies. Also, watermelons and chicken are not exactly a cultural aspect of the black community as tacos are with Mexicans, but I suppose that is arguable. I forget, are we all equal or are we not? Because if we are equal then Mexicans, blacks, whites, whoever have no special insights on being a human being that the rest of the human beings don't have. Furthermore I have no idea what ethnicity you are. As far as I know, all you have said are comments about "dark skin" that could be basically every ethnicity on Earth, just more proof you are projecting. Your right. You have no idea what my ethnicity is. None at all. Don't project upon me. I don't care how dark your skin is, you are not the chosen emissary for all brown people, don't speak as if you are the only one to understand these experiences when the fact is there is no way you have any idea what I personally, or many others have experienced, just because they don't completely agree with you.
Your apparent insensitivity to this subject speaks volumes. Also, as a "brown person," I am qualified to speak on such matters, since I happen to be part of the population, and can share my first hand experiences. More projection. You see it as insensitivity because I don't comply with your politically correct dogmas of ever shifting word bans and definitions. Just because I don't follow your religious brand of "progressivism" and cater to your every personal hangup doesn't mean I don't think human beings should be treated equally until they prove otherwise as individuals. Also, I used the term "brown person" because it includes pretty much everyone on earth. Again I have no idea what ethnicity you are, just a description of skin tone. As I said before "valid identity documents" is subjective. They may actually be valid documents, but what if they don't belong to the person holding them? What if there are inconsistencies as in this case with a validly issued but technically invalid paperwork? Their job is literally to check these things.
Whether a document is valid or not is an objective matter. There is no subjective gray area. However, I am sure a border patrol agent has to make a quick determination on whether a document may or may not be questionable, and warrants further investigation. I will concede that that part is subjective. However, in the end, it is not an opinion (subjective) but a fact (objective) on whether a certain document is indeed valid or not. Except to an enforcement officer, as I already explained, it is quite subjective. One might even go as far as to say this is why terms like "subjective" and "objective" exist, so as to differentiate these states of being according to context. Sure if you remove all context and pretend enforcing the border is not an issue, it is objective. To an enforcement officer it is completely subjective until confirmed. Literally their job is to judge, using context, if all of the information involved in the circumstances make sense. Some times that takes time to confirm. Some times when there are exceptional numbers of people flooding over the border, this process takes longer. Also again, I would suggest that if the processing time bothers you, you support more funding for border enforcement, and stop encouraging people to flood in illegally by taking such a soft stance on illegal immigration. Maintaining a border under these circumstances is logistically difficult, and if it is not done, there will come a point where there will be no border because enforcement becomes impossible. I think you are smart enough to understand why that is not acceptable.
How on Earth am I encouraging people to flood in illegally because I would prefer US citizens should be able to cross the border and remain in the US with minimal hassle? Unless a US citizen is acting as a mule to smuggle across the border, they are not illegal and are definitely not immigrating. Furthermore, I only object to spending 50 billion dollars on a wall. Especially when a wall can be circumvented by both land and by air. If Congress wants to increase the budget for border patrol by 50 billion dollars to become better staffed and have better capability processing people that enter, I am all for it.
No, because you are trying to apply unrealistic standards to the logistical application of border enforcement. You are arguing from a position as if protecting the border has no importance whatsoever, dismissing any logistical conflicts your unrealistic standards create. It is almost as if you wouldn't mind if the process was just sabotaged all together by this process of incremental application of unrealistic standards. By advocating for policies which are destructive to the overall effort of securing the border, meaning more illegal crossings, thus encouraging even more to try is how you are encouraging it. So is your argument a wall would not slow illegal immigration? So because other methods might happen too, we shouldn't stop it in ways we can stop it? So your point is you are fine with the funding as long as it is pushing more people into the country at a faster rate? That kind of sounds like the opposite of restricting illegal immigration by simply lowering the standards, but maybe I am wrong. Again, all you are doing is opposing any border enforcement and not providing any viable solutions. It is just a strategy of obstruction and subversion. |
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Who knew there was such an obvious link between Trump-brexit? Not the trolls  So your entire argument is there is a link? Congrats on cracking the case Sherlock. |
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The news is that Cambridge Analytica was also involved with Leave.
We already *knew* that Trump was involved with Cambridge Analytica.
So the crime? Another case of breathing while conservative? |
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A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave. You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations. Where are you pulling your statistics from, your ass? Uhh, living here, but because trolls posted charts comparing apples to oranges... I'm here to post the real charts...comparing US death rates since 2013-present. year -- fatalities|injured|total_victims (bottom numbers are column totals)  Pulled numbers from: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/3/(feel free to disprove a shooting). We can see a sharp increase in incidents post-2016 (2017 was scary). 2018 is still pretty bad with 4x the killings as 2014. This year still has a few months left and we're already worse than 2014. (Also, my math is wrong in year 2013. Feel free to add up the totals yourself.. cause I'm not doing *all* the work for you; just see if you read before you even post  ) As usual, the goal posts are always moving with you. First its the most mass shooters, then when I point out the per-capita breakdown the USA is not first on the list, now you are rambling about fruit and changing the standard to something else. Should I break out the total numbers of firearm homicides per-capita by nation as well? You are playing a losing game relying on massaged statistics and selective omissions. |
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Let me ask you a question... If I were to say that a large percentage of the local taco shop's customers are probably Mexicans, would you consider that racist? Is it racist or just a natural consequence of the fact that Mexicans culturally tend to enjoy tacos? We are talking about the US/Mexican border here, as a consequence of this, the most likely ethnicity of people attempting to cross this border illegally are (GASP!) Mexicans. You are building this narrative as if they were stopped because border patrol is racist and just enjoys harassing brown skinned people, when the reality is they fit the characteristics of a common demographic of people attempting to cross illegally. A similar narrative is pushed with the black community, where blacks comprise approximately 13% of the US population, but over 50% of the murders. Criminal activity has nothing to do with race, but a common culture. Blacks are not inherently criminals any more than Mexicans are inherently illegal aliens. This whole screaming racism act is just designed to distract from the cultural rot present within these communities so it can never be addressed. Who is the real racist? Those perpetuating the problems or those pointing them out so it can be addressed? People swear this is because of racism, and not a culture of criminal activity and unwillingness to work with law enforcement. Every time some one is shot, even if they were armed and engaged in criminal activity, it is because of "racism". As a result police pull back enforcement from these neighborhoods, and then it gets even worse and they blame police for doing nothing. Given this country has become a police state, and that needs to change, but you also must understand that these kind of lies give these cops all they motivation and justification they need to further increase this lock down martial law type mentality. Who knew when you treat police like the enemy they treat you like the enemy? Funny how they works huh? This country is being pigeon holed into becoming a 3rd world country by exploiting the naive aimless empathy of its population. Empathy is good. Blind and unconditional empathy is dangerous. OMG, what you just described above is the very definition of making stereotypes based on race. I have no idea what your ethnicity is; however it does appear that you have little understanding of the inconvenience caused when people make assumptions (prejudice) based on the color of someone's skin. I do have experience in this area. What is disconcerting in my case is that people make assumptions on my ethnicity based on the darker tone in my skin. In reality, I am of mostly European decent and my skin color is probably caused by one great-grandparent being Hawaiian and another great-grandparent being Croatian. An officer should never assume that they have "probable cause" that someone is up to no good based on what they assume their ethnicity is. However, after looking at the particular case involving the 9 year old girl, It appears that her and her brother were unaccompanied. Therefore, the fact that they were initially taken into custody probably had to do with that fact, rather than their skin color. However, I still do not think it should have taken 32 hours until their mother could regain custody. Also, once they confirmed that the 14 year son was a US citizen, they should not have tried to get him to confess, erroneously, that his sister was actually his cousin, and sign a form. I certainly hope before they made attempts to do that, that they at least read him his rights. Also, upon reading further into the case of the man held for over three weeks, it appears the suspicion was caused by a Visa that his mother had given fraudulent information for. She had stated in the application that he was born in Mexico, when applying for a visa so that he could visit Mexico. It also appears that his brother, that was in the car, was not a US Citizen. However, I still believe this matter should have taken less than 23 days to clear up. But i do understand why we was detained in the 1st place. And? Stereotypes are not racist. Please learn the difference. People are racist. Stereotypes can be the ignorance of ignorant people, but not exclusively. Many stereotypes exist for good reason. Statistically Mexicans like tacos. This is a stereotype which generally happens to be true, but has nothing to do with racism. That's the thing about these kind of discussions, the definitions of the words and meanings are just stretched a little bit here, a little bit there, and a little more over here until some one discussing an uncomfortable fact becomes "literally Hitler". Your right. You have no idea what my ethnicity is. None at all. Don't project upon me. I don't care how dark your skin is, you are not the chosen emissary for all brown people, don't speak as if you are the only one to understand these experiences when the fact is there is no way you have any idea what I personally, or many others have experienced, just because they don't completely agree with you. As I said before "valid identity documents" is subjective. They may actually be valid documents, but what if they don't belong to the person holding them? What if there are inconsistencies as in this case with a validly issued but technically invalid paperwork? Their job is literally to check these things. Also again, I would suggest that if the processing time bothers you, you support more funding for border enforcement, and stop encouraging people to flood in illegally by taking such a soft stance on illegal immigration. Maintaining a border under these circumstances is logistically difficult, and if it is not done, there will come a point where there will be no border because enforcement becomes impossible. I think you are smart enough to understand why that is not acceptable. |
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You know, thanks a lot TECSHARE. Before knowing you, I was only pro free speech and against censorship. I mainly discussed with intelligent people, and even if they were from various political views I saw no reason to censor anyone. BUT now I understand the point. Some people are not able to discuss, they are only talking to hear themselves and will continue to yell and yell there nonsense, pushing arbitrary points and deciding that such subject is out topic or such thing isn't in the definition, refuse facts based on their own criterias etc... And such people kill discussion. People like you are trully killing debates, because there is absolutely ZERO point in talking with you. Have you ever admitted to be wrong on anything even once in your life? There is a reason you've been nominated as the fourth troll of the forum. If EVERYONE is telling you you're an asshole, maybe it is because you are one  Might want to thing about it you know. Hey mOgliE. Could you be any more obvious of a sock puppet? Don't have the nuts to post under your main account eh? Did you think I was gonna be like "OH NOES EVERYONE HATES ME! I BETTER GO HOME!"? Have fun with your transformation into a totalitarian because you can't back up your beliefs with a logical argument. |
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Oh, a mass shooting to distract from impeachment.
Seems... like a pattern.
A pattern of what? There are always a ton of mass and school shootings in the US, nothing really surprising. If you believe somehow these shootings are on purpose to make people "forget" about the non-existent possibility of impeachement after mueller report fiasco, then you have some serious mental problems. Now go ahead and delete this, also did you like the video i linked? Mass shootings sure have picked up steam after 2016. Pre-2016, we had one or two every year; now we're having them every couple of months. Yeah right, trump is creating more mass shooters lol. "one study found that nearly one-third of the world's public mass shootings between 1966 and 2012 (90 of 292 incidents) occurred in the United States" "Everytown for Gun Safety, identified 110 mass shootings, defined as shootings in which at least four people were murdered with a firearm, between January 2009 and July 2014" Where are you pulling your statistics from, your ass? The US has always been the country with most mass shootings since always basically. The USA only has the most mass shootings because we are the most populated country that allows gun ownership. When you break it down per-capita it is certainly not the top of the list.  Mind you this is only Europe and Canada. With the entire globe included the US ranks even lower. |
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This is a collection of words, not a thread.
So, we all know you're stupid, but when there's multiple posts under a single topic on forum like programs, that's called a "thread". Sometimes, places like reddit and 4chan and even facebook use the term "thread" to summarize these things. Now, that you understand the word "thread", can you use it in a sentence for the rest of the class? You claim this discussion is about detaining children, not about immigration. Technically this is a collection of words. Since you are pretending this discussion has nothing to do with immigration I thought I would join you in pretend time and pretend that this is a collection of words that has nothing to do with a thread. |
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Smoking gun of what exactly? What is the crime you are alleging here?
Read the damned article kiddo. Or is reading too hard for you? I asked you a question. We are on a forum after all. Do you have trouble answering simple questions about topics you start? |
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Not everything is a conspiracy, pull it together guys.
What do you expect from bitcoin's 4th (currently) largest troll; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5168331.140 ? Anyway, the link shows Trump and Brexit both benefited from Cambridge Analytica. The dumb trolls will argue "give me the smoking gun" for the next 3 years. Then it'll all come out and they'll deny the evidence. Finally a decade from now, "hindsight is 20/20 anyway" Smoking gun of what exactly? What is the crime you are alleging here? |
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Click the 2nd link.
Originally there wasn't a second link. You added that with your last edit, which was after my post; I don't see how that responds to anything I said. This thread is about indexing wrongfully detained children, not about bickering about immigration reform. Not my fault the data set isn't complete. This is a collection of words, not a thread. |
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A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave. You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations. Oh, a mass shooting to distract from impeachment.
Seems... like a pattern.
A pattern of what? There are always a ton of mass and school shootings in the US, nothing really surprising. If you believe somehow these shootings are on purpose to make people "forget" about the non-existent possibility of impeachement after mueller report fiasco, then you have some serious mental problems. Now go ahead and delete this, also did you like the video i linked? Add it to the free debate version of this thread. Stop posting here, and reply there. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5168188.0 |
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