Has anyone taken any legal action yet, or is that an pause?
I'm going to wait until the conference call, and see how I feel after that. I mean, I have 6 years to do it. |
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What if.... danieldaniel is prodigits is ragingazn628....
Hmm...
*gasp* You got me. Walter White? Seriously, highly appreciating what you're doing here! This needs to be rewarded! But please don't let them fool you/us. I don't know whether ragin does have personal/family issues. If so, I sincerely hope he'll cope with it. The problem is: There's a lot of BTC involved here, and even more important: there may be a scam going on, hurting a lot of people. And in this case, given all the inconsistencies, I think it'll be best to shut this operation down. The tactics being used (there'll be a conference, you can meet me/us in NY, one miner has been paid for, the Avalon clone parts have been paid for to some extent) are typical for shady companies or companies struggling with demand/supply like BFL or Yifu's delayed batches. They're giving us basically one tiny "proof" at a time, while ignoring others. This delays things severely. This also suffices for some people (wishful thinking, Stockholm Syndrome, etc.). We need to act now. I propose the following items that need to be taken care of: - WE need to decide what we want to achieve. Some are still hoping for the miners to be delivered, some are indifferent, some haven't noticed, and so on... We have to decide on a common goal (Refund everything; refund everything that's not been invested with KnC - needs to be proven; wait for ragin to do something). I propose to refund everything. If orders have indeed been placed and paid for, let's talk with KnC and cancel the miner or at least transfer the mining operation to someone else (maybe an ongoing KnC groupbuy which has already several miners ordered.) If money has been transferred to KnC, it is a good sign. We can talk with them. - Proof, that (a part of the miners) has indeed been paid for. I'd like to receive this proof from KnC themselves. A screenshot doesn't constitute a proof in this case. This may be achieved with the conference call, as well. - Organize and conduct a conference call with someone of us (e.g. danieldaniel, or someone else), John K., and someone from KnC (make sure that WE call their number, so it's not them setting up a friend of theirs with a swedish accent.). This call has to take place within 48 (better 24) hours! No more delays! Extra points if we record the call. The call is happening "late tomorrow night", according to prodigits. Also, the conference call is going to include John, ragin, prodigits, KNC, and I (according to prodigits). You guys can also ask him to join, if you want; his skype is "neoasics". I'll record the call, but I'll have to ask them all to make sure they're OK with it. |
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What if.... danieldaniel is prodigits is ragingazn628....
Hmm...
*gasp* You got me. |
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OK, i don't know where this is going, but I rather prefer being on the list than forcing myself into false hopes and Stockholm Syndrome.
I have 4 shares (2BTC) in the 6th Saturn.
Sending-/Potential-Refund-Address: 1MbBeMm2rMjtMu7SubEceUqxCEjYzC79j8
txid: 0f72b9f435b4a9a38b038f43d345e8128daede804ffb249204c8b7962af688cc
Kudos to danieldaniel. I think he's in for a few tips when he comes through!!!
I added my address to the spreadsheet, by the way. |
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So, I talked to prodigits (on his neoasics Skype), and he seems like a pretty cool guy. It still could obviously be a sock-puppet, but I doubt a sockpuppet would take the time to voice-chat and text-chat with me on Skype.
He basically wanted people to "calm down". He also invited me to a conference call with KNC Miner (that'll be happening soon, we're still working out a time) and John K.
Prodigits is the person that's building the Avalon ASIC's, apparently, so that's how he knows ragingazn.
I still haven't talked to raginazn, so I'm not sure what's up with him, but prodigits seems to want to help out.
It's just so fishy that prodigits will skype with you and ask everyone to "calm down" when almost all fear would be eliminated if a screenshot of the orders would simply be posted here. Seriously though, how difficult is it to post a screen-shot? You can probably talk with him, too, his Skype is neoasics. But I don't get what's going on with the screenshot. |
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Heh, well, if he doesn't go through with the group buy as promised, I'm still suing him in small claims. I have up to 6 YEARS to do that.
Many thanks Daniel for making the sheets and following up with everyone. No problem. Hey Daniel, I noticed I wasn't on your sheet and would like to be. Here is my info 2 shares on the Jupiter 1 1.1 BTC TXID: 974414f4f90c3da9087645c1c9b5e1925b501c6695dfcec37173aeed93fbc2ee 1Share on Jupiter 2 Sent .9 BTC for 1 share of Jupiter 2 TX ID: 365d5fc3a20d500849a8edece0c6d3193372d7a5d177f186b65218b1270acd7b-000 Refund addy? |
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Heh, well, if he doesn't go through with the group buy as promised, I'm still suing him in small claims. I have up to 6 YEARS to do that.
Many thanks Daniel for making the sheets and following up with everyone. No problem. |
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Heh, well, if he doesn't go through with the group buy as promised, I'm still suing him in small claims. I have up to 6 YEARS to do that.
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So, I talked to prodigits (on his neoasics Skype), and he seems like a pretty cool guy. It still could obviously be a sock-puppet, but I doubt a sockpuppet would take the time to voice-chat and text-chat with me on Skype.
He basically wanted people to "calm down". He also invited me to a conference call with KNC Miner (that'll be happening soon, we're still working out a time) and John K.
Prodigits is the person that's building the Avalon ASIC's, apparently, so that's how he knows ragingazn.
I still haven't talked to raginazn, so I'm not sure what's up with him, but prodigits seems to want to help out.
This is what they want. This proves nothing and possibly buys time. Again I want to point out that even if the miners are on order these guys are going to fuck you. If it is this sketchy ordering imagine the bullshit you will hear when it comes time for dividends. I have not heard John K say he is working on anything with these guys other than "it doesn't look good"  Tom (tom.technologies) why don't your meet with Daniel in person in CT and show him the orders forget a KNC conference call. If all this is validated by a non puppet then he should put coins in an account as collateral with John K if he is serious about continuing this. Other than that there is no salvaging here guys be logical. Think about it all of this could have been solved in ten minutes by posting the orders here on BT. If he can't even post in this thread you have to be nuts to listen to some guy with a newly created account with or without Skype. If you have Paypal do yourself a favor and get your money back. The rest of us will be bent over. I mean, I'm still a little iffy. They said that they will post screenshots of orders... I'll feel a lot better after a conference call with KNC. I'm going to be a part of it, so I can verify everything on here after the call. |
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So, I talked to prodigits (on his neoasics Skype), and he seems like a pretty cool guy. It still could obviously be a sock-puppet, but I doubt a sockpuppet would take the time to voice-chat and text-chat with me on Skype.
He basically wanted people to "calm down". He also invited me to a conference call with KNC Miner (that'll be happening soon, we're still working out a time) and John K.
Prodigits is the person that's building the Avalon ASIC's, apparently, so that's how he knows ragingazn.
I still haven't talked to raginazn, so I'm not sure what's up with him, but prodigits seems to want to help out.
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Whoever is on the East Coast, I would invite anybody to come meet me in Boston this week. I will also be in New York City this weekend and would be more than happy to discuss this with anybody in this group buy. I welcome you all.
Do you have skype? If so, could you PM me your skype name please? I just PMed you norulezapply I would like a phone number, as well. |
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1) I made him log onto his KnCminer account in front of me to prove that all the orders had been made, which he did. So now I can verify that all orders have been submitted, paid for and completed, all with the exception of the second Jupiter group buy which never materialized.
You have nothing to back this up with. I want proof from KnCMiner and ragingazn himself. Why hasn't he replied to this thread when he can see things are getting out of hand? It's obviously not because of his "depression" if he's going off and working on other projects and totally ignoring this one.. He can't refund any of the other orders as of yet because all the money is sitting in KnCMiner's account and NOT HIS, so it's out of his control. Now unless KnCMiner agrees to refund ragingazn628 first, then all your shares are currently tied up by KnCminer at the moment and out of ragingazn628.
If that's true then why does the blockchain say it's still all sat in his account? Sounds like total BS to me. And even if it is in KNCMiner's account, I still want my refund for everything that's happened so far, as we all know this isn't going to end well whether miners get delivered or not. I want nothing to do with this group buy anymore and And again, why doesn't he say this himself instead of going through you? The other thing that is complicating matters is that anybody who is filing a dispute via PayPal is actually hurting any chances of this getting resolved in a timely matter. PayPal can't do shit because the money is with KnCMiner's PP right now, not ragingazn628 PP account.So by filing a dispute you are actually delaying things even more and making things even harder for everybody involved working to get a resolution in the matter.
Convienient... This. All of the money is still in his wallet... And remember people, talk is cheap and on the internet it's free. 10 to 1 prodigits7 is a sockpuppet of ragingazn628. |
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Please add me to the list
$150.00 via Paypal
Unique Transaction ID # 8AP98257EM0735448
Thank you!
Ok. |
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just got my reply from prodigits
Dear Choadmeyer,
I totally understand your concern and can certainly empathize with you. However I can assure you that the miners were indeed paid for and I can verify this information with KnCMiner if you would like to join me in a conference call with them. I can also provide a screenshot of My Account page with the actual order details directly from their website.
So there is no need to panic and don't believe everything you hear because most of it is just FUD (Fear, uncertainty and doubt). I'm glad you reached out to me directly and went straight to the source for the truth of the matter. I promise to be in contact more frequently and to communicate much more often than in the past. This is a serious matter and you can be sure that I'm not taking it lightly at all.
Also follow my blog postings for all the latest news about all shipment status information.
Sincerely,
ragingazn628
-COMPARED WITH-
Dear Neverek,
I have passed on your information and you have my word that I will personally look into this matter for you. You will get a response in the next 24 hours.
I totally understand your concern and can certainly empathize with you. However I can assure you that the miners were indeed paid for and I made ragingazn628 log into his KnCMiner account online and show me his order status page.
So I know he can verify this information with KnCMiner and you can certainly join a conference call with ragingazn628 and KnCMiner to further verify this order status information. He can also provide a screenshot of My Account page with the actual order details directly from their website if you would like.
So there is no need to panic and don't believe everything you hear because most of it is just FUD (Fear, uncertainty and doubt). It's unfortunate that ragingazn628 had a personal meltdown but it could've happened to any of us. I did see him today and we sat down and talked for hours and I can personally say he went through a lot but he's recovering well now. He is well on his way to getting back to his old reliable self.
I'm really glad you reached out to me directly and went straight to the source for the truth of the matter. I promise he will be in contact more frequently and will communicate much more often than in the past. This is a serious matter and you can be sure that ragingazn628 nor I am taking it lightly at all.
Also follow the blog postings for all the latest news about all shipment status information.
Sincerely,
prodigits7
Anyone knows if he means neo asic's blog in the end or what? These two replies are worded incredibly similarly. Think it's safe to assume both replies are from prodigits. Or prodigits is just a sockpuppet. No-one else think that? I noticed as well both e-mails must have been written by the same person. This GB is getting dirtier every day... So he tells us that he made the orders... So we should not ask for refunds... I'll put my name on the list anyways, would he ever receive the machines, all the better, but I think this thing smells. I can add you to the spreadsheet if you give me your TX ID, amount to refund, and a refund address. |
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Ah, ok... I misunderstood. Anyways, I actually emailed KNC yesterday asking if he made the order. A conference call would be nice, too... I would love to be on it.
Of course, that's assuming that he's not still BS'ing us..
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Up.
Would also buy some BE's at 0.15 max each (+shipping and escrow ofc)
lol what... People are paying 0.3 BTC+. |
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where are you shipping from?
So its ready to mine?
Also it will be shipping from Romania. I've updated the original post with the thread I bought from. what is your asking price? This. How much would the batch one cost? |
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Just got a reply after emailing ragingazn via his email listed at his neo-asics website. Thought I'd
share for those who are interested.
Dear Choadmeyer,
I totally understand your concern and can certainly empathize with you. However I can assure you that the miners were indeed paid for and I can verify this information with KnCMiner if you would like to join me in a conference call with them. I can also provide a screenshot of My Account page with the actual order details directly from their website.
So there is no need to panic and don't believe everything you hear because most of it is just FUD (Fear, uncertainty and doubt). I'm glad you reached out to me directly and went straight to the source for the truth of the matter. I promise to be in contact more frequently and to communicate much more often than in the past. This is a serious matter and you can be sure that I'm not taking it lightly at all.
Also follow my blog postings for all the latest news about all shipment status information.
Sincerely,
ragingazn628
well thats great but all he needs to do is respond here - would takie him 1 minute ... Well, perhaps we should take him up on his offer to see if he's really telling the truth or just BSing us. Maybe, but he can always fake a screenshot... He already has a fake account (prodigits), after all. |
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