Srsly, don't you think it's a little out of place to advertise yourself in a comparison to S.DICE when your bets are limited to about a bitdime?!
10 upvotes, another Bitcoin? Get in the WoT, build your trust, get listed, you might have a chance. This dickery you're currently engaged in is not going anywhere.
I see your point, but the site has been around for awhile. At least long enough for me to have heard about them before this. |
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The way I see it, if I can withdraw funds from my account such that the ACH transfer won't clear (and, subsequently, neither will the BTC purchase) then you can essentially play the same 'uncertainty game' that Coinbase plays and the whole thing becomes a non-issue aside from a little frustration. Actually, it could be an excellent way to prevent loss at times.
Exactly! They never hold your funds or anything. If you don't like their fraud detection, go somewhere else and buy Bitcoins with the money that's still in the bank. |
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They upgraded their server last night... although it was a bit flaky until an hour ago.
I can log in fine now. Guess they need more power to handle the volume.
They weren't actually upgrading servers. It was just their default "down" message. |
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Therefore, coinbase could never do anything with your funds. They stand to gain nothing by faking that the orders are fraud.
They're not faking. They have the orders and the cash to back it up. They use the collective clout to get coins on the market and then they divvy them up to themselves and their customers. Not all of their customers get coins. The smaller ones get their money back...someday. They can't get Bitcoins with money that they don't have. They never actually withdraw the funds, so they didn't have any money to buy Bitcoins with! ACH transfers are not the same as cash on the market. Bank drafts are, ACH transfers aren't. Also, if they're not faking the fraud detection, then wtf is this thread about? ANY legit financial business is going to have fraud detection. They're not scamming or cheating anyone! |
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Again..
1. I'm not a con-man,
2. I wasn't looking for some "stupid" newbie to buy, just hopping for people who wants it and recognices his value.
3. If many people tell you that you're wrong, maybe you are.
4. You aren't the god of this forum, fighting against all te people you can, i have readed you before, you are pretty lame.
5. You just raided my post, you haven't even read the links I gave you, you even not want to learn more, you just went full stubborn.
6. You don't know all about this subject, maybe you know many other things, but about appraising DOMAIN NAMES, you don't.
7. You haven't word.
8. You were the con-man trying to scam me to sell lower.
9. If you see that the price was 10 btc ~ 25 btc, why did you offer 1.7? even though, i said no, but you just keep pushing and raiding my post.
10. Smart? Bussines Man? you forgot beautiful i think...
I'm done trying to make you reason, i was polite, but now i'm just pissed, you became my post in a battlefield, of people trying to make some sense on you, and you just fighting back inmerse on your ignorance (as usually you do)
As we said in my country "The Ignorance is bold..."
You were never polite to be honest, you just dismissed a valid offer, and you did try and con-me you used two sites that didn't appraised the value correctly. One was a marketplace WHERE YOU entered the price and tried to pass it off as the site gave you the price. The second one was counting in things that where from your parked domain page. You clearly don't understand how this works. I never said I was god, and thanks for thinking I am lame  but I do know a lot about domains and if your listening to a 14yr old over me then you clearly don't understand domain sales. If you look no one has brought your domain why? Cause you think it is worth something crazy, that is why. I was going to buy it but I don't take kindly to CON-MEN screwing me or others over. Lets be honest one person sided with you and the other person saw it my way, so where are all these people that are against me? If I am the con-man or broke a contract get a 3rd party to check this over, and if I am found guilty, I will gladly send you the 25btc just cause I am not a scammer or a con-man and I think that is disrespectful for calling me something that I have never done. When I am right I know I right and I defend it to the end cause I never say anything that is false, unlike you I do my research so yeah if you see my post as fighting with people take as that. Or take it as that I am defending against people that I have proven wrong and they can't handle it just like you I would like to sell my domain qcl.me it is worth 100BTC biding will start at 90BTC GO... LMAO Alright. I'll take you up on that offer. I'll have a third party come to here and read the thread over (I'll ask in OTC). BTW, the key part of this case is that you didn't say that you had to "agree with the proof." You just said he had to prove it. And he did. Is this your domain, honestly like move on, you have no idea how to price domains. Also I want to see the third-party cause next thing I know it will be someone in his pocket or something. If you look he didn't prove it at all, he just showed two sites that one that is a marketplace where he typed it in, and one that doesn't calculate it correctly. I want someone that has sold at least 20 domains, that know the marketplace for 5 character domains, and is impartial to me and him. Paranoid much? Nobody in OTC responded. Anyways, I don't really care. You said you would pay 25 BTC if he proved it was worth $400. It's as simple as that. I'm not wasting any more of my time on this. |
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Again..
1. I'm not a con-man,
2. I wasn't looking for some "stupid" newbie to buy, just hopping for people who wants it and recognices his value.
3. If many people tell you that you're wrong, maybe you are.
4. You aren't the god of this forum, fighting against all te people you can, i have readed you before, you are pretty lame.
5. You just raided my post, you haven't even read the links I gave you, you even not want to learn more, you just went full stubborn.
6. You don't know all about this subject, maybe you know many other things, but about appraising DOMAIN NAMES, you don't.
7. You haven't word.
8. You were the con-man trying to scam me to sell lower.
9. If you see that the price was 10 btc ~ 25 btc, why did you offer 1.7? even though, i said no, but you just keep pushing and raiding my post.
10. Smart? Bussines Man? you forgot beautiful i think...
I'm done trying to make you reason, i was polite, but now i'm just pissed, you became my post in a battlefield, of people trying to make some sense on you, and you just fighting back inmerse on your ignorance (as usually you do)
As we said in my country "The Ignorance is bold..."
You were never polite to be honest, you just dismissed a valid offer, and you did try and con-me you used two sites that didn't appraised the value correctly. One was a marketplace WHERE YOU entered the price and tried to pass it off as the site gave you the price. The second one was counting in things that where from your parked domain page. You clearly don't understand how this works. I never said I was god, and thanks for thinking I am lame but I do know a lot about domains and if your listening to a 14yr old over me then you clearly don't understand domain sales. If you look no one has brought your domain why? Cause you think it is worth something crazy, that is why. I was going to buy it but I don't take kindly to CON-MEN screwing me or others over. Lets be honest one person sided with you and the other person saw it my way, so where are all these people that are against me? If I am the con-man or broke a contract get a 3rd party to check this over, and if I am found guilty, I will gladly send you the 25btc just cause I am not a scammer or a con-man and I think that is disrespectful for calling me something that I have never done. When I am right I know I right and I defend it to the end cause I never say anything that is false, unlike you I do my research so yeah if you see my post as fighting with people take as that. Or take it as that I am defending against people that I have proven wrong and they can't handle it just like you I would like to sell my domain qcl.me it is worth 100BTC biding will start at 90BTC GO... LMAO Alright. I'll take you up on that offer. I'll have a third party come to here and read the thread over (I'll ask in OTC). BTW, the key part of this case is that you didn't say that you had to "agree with the proof." You just said he had to prove it. And he did. |
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Quoted from the other thread on the topic. Explain to me how this makes any sense when no funds ever leave the consumer's bank account at any point during the "pending" process. Coinbase having a bunch of open orders backed by bank drafts is like a company walking around the Bitcoin market with cash. Not all of those orders are being filled, obviously. If Coinbase customers want to help fund Coinbase for free while only getting bitcoins every now and then, it's their choice as the informed consumers that they are to be treated like that. Well, I might as well point out the factual error here. A bank draft is a type of check where the payment is guaranteed to be available by the issuing bank. Therefore, this is not a "bank draft" but a pending ACH transfer. A pending ACH transfer is not guaranteed by the issuing bank, as there is always a chance that there aren't enough funds in the account to cover the transfer. EDIT: Source: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bank_draft.asp#axzz2N0OwxWaUTherefore, coinbase could never do anything with your funds. They stand to gain nothing by faking that the orders are fraud. |
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Explain to me how this makes any sense when no funds ever leave the consumer's bank account at any point during the "pending" process. Coinbase having a bunch of open orders backed by bank drafts is like a company walking around the Bitcoin market with cash. Not all of those orders are being filled, obviously. If Coinbase customers want to help fund Coinbase for free while only getting bitcoins every now and then, it's their choice as the informed consumers that they are to be treated like that. Well, I might as well point out the factual error here. A bank draft is a type of check where the payment is guaranteed to be available by the issuing bank. Therefore, this is not a "bank draft" but a pending ACH transfer. A pending ACH transfer is not guaranteed by the issuing bank, as there is always a chance that there aren't enough funds in the account to cover the transfer. EDIT: Source: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bank_draft.asp#axzz2N0OwxWaU |
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Welp, I might as well start the FUD.
"OMG BLOCKCHAIN.INFO HACKED. EVERYONE PANIC!!! ALL THE BITCOINS ARE LOST!!11!!oneone11 :O :O :O"
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gweedo, it doesn't matter how he proved it. You didn't say in the agreement that he had to use a SPECIFIC site. You said that if he proved it was worth $400, then you'll pay him. Simple as that.
Also, if you didn't want the domain for 25 btc, why'd you post the offer??
That is like saying, here is my Toyota, I am selling it for $60K, and my proof that is worth that is because on craiglist that is what it says it worth, when you have posted the ad. Doesn't make sense. I posted the offer, cause I knew he would never find a site saying it was worth that. Yes it was my mistake I should have said it has to be real site that knows how to domain pricing and can't be your ad, but I thought he would know that. Come on I have brought and sold hundreds of domains, this guy is obviously a con and I offered 1.7btcs at that time more then enough. If anyone things I am going to send 25 BTC for a 5 character domain they are nuts, I tried to make a fair offer, but he obviously wants to con some newbie, which I am very much not in this area. Hey you think I scammed him, both you can open scam accusing against me go right ahead. Um, what are you talking about? You're saying he owns estibot.com? He didn't make that appraisal, the site generated it. He proved that the site was worth that by an independent appraisal conducted by estibot.com. That's not anything at all like craigslist. No the Sedo one is a marketplace and estibot is using CPC and keywords to calculate a price, which is two things that aren't taken into account when it is just the domain. @ Gweedo
Just so you know, that appraisal site you gave says Google.com is worth <$5000 and so is ABC.com.
Remember we are talking just domains, and not the site worth, that is probably why it says they are less than $5000. Different things are taken into account with domains then sites. gweedo, take my advise, look in google "How To apraisse a DOMAIN NAME", i gave you links for wikipedia... and yoo will not make a fool of yourself saying things like this... I know how to appraise domains, and have done it many times. You clearly don't know cause your domain would have sold by now... Yo gweedo, read http://www.wikihow.com/Appraise-Domain-Names. It says "length is important." It also says that keywords are important. Why don't you stop being stubborn and admit you're wrong? He's given evidence of why it's worth how much it is, and you've just said "I'm right because I'm right!' |
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I will take you up on your offer. Please see PM.
We agreed to loan 1000 chips worth 1 bicoin with a fee of 20% paid in maximum 1 week. Will confirm after i`ll get the funds. Funds sent. Good luck! Let me make sure I read this right. You gave 1 Bitcoin to a Jr. Member with <100 posts a "guaranteed" loan "to play poker" on the promise that he'll pay back no matter what with this mysterious $100 payment. Are you insane? |
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gweedo, it doesn't matter how he proved it. You didn't say in the agreement that he had to use a SPECIFIC site. You said that if he proved it was worth $400, then you'll pay him. Simple as that.
Also, if you didn't want the domain for 25 btc, why'd you post the offer??
That is like saying, here is my Toyota, I am selling it for $60K, and my proof that is worth that is because on craiglist that is what it says it worth, when you have posted the ad. Doesn't make sense. I posted the offer, cause I knew he would never find a site saying it was worth that. Yes it was my mistake I should have said it has to be real site that knows how to domain pricing and can't be your ad, but I thought he would know that. Come on I have brought and sold hundreds of domains, this guy is obviously a con and I offered 1.7btcs at that time more then enough. If anyone things I am going to send 25 BTC for a 5 character domain they are nuts, I tried to make a fair offer, but he obviously wants to con some newbie, which I am very much not in this area. Hey you think I scammed him, both you can open scam accusing against me go right ahead. Um, what are you talking about? You're saying he owns estibot.com? He didn't make that appraisal, the site generated it. He proved that the site was worth that by an independent appraisal conducted by estibot.com. That's not anything at all like craigslist. |
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It's a legit site. I've used it many times.
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I will pay $38 for this if you haven't sold it yet.
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Collateral? Also, what do you need it for?
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Can one get good-enough mixing by sending coins to one's own account at SR and then withdrawing them after a few days ?
Thoughts ?
I don't have any personal experience with SR, but I've heard that they mix coins pretty well. I guess you'd have to try it and look at the taint on blockchain.info. |
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gweedo, it doesn't matter how he proved it. You didn't say in the agreement that he had to use a SPECIFIC site. You said that if he proved it was worth $400, then you'll pay him. Simple as that.
Also, if you didn't want the domain for 25 btc, why'd you post the offer??
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Keep in mind that I never signed up to be the Universal Arbiter of Bitcoin Truth and Justice. I give people scammer tags when it's extremely clear to me that they've broken agreements or otherwise behaved very unethically. I don't have time to (and I don't want to) investigate these things thoroughly, which is why high-profile scam cases are rarely handled quickly. I wait until things settle down and the truth becomes obvious.
I can understand this, thats not a responsability or burden I would want myself. Perhaps in this case you should trust the judgement to another moderator or a well reputed member. After viewing the evidence myself I do believe that he has indeed scammed people, with the added proof of deleted posts and not defending himself things look even worse. I personallu did not lose anything, but am sickened by the fact that he's is the first service I have had bitcoin in myself that has done something like this. I suppose that was poor judgement on my part. Exactly this. I'm sure many of the global mods would be happy to do this. So, is the forum consensus that I can scam someone as long as I don't SAY I can't? |
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bump
I am guessing so many people agree that your domain is worth ~$450 to $1,100 too bad I was going buy it, but I brought a domain qcl.me for $38, just so you know Well, you just said that you would pay 25 btc if he proved it was worth that. He did, and you didn't pay. So a site where you set the price, and another site that takes in non-existence CPC are proof of the worth of this domain? Dude have you ever brought a domain, your like 14yrs old go sell baseball cards or something, this domain isn't even worth that $50 was more than enough probably too much. Real mature. First of all, yes I'm 14. I don't see why that restricts me to selling "baseball cards." Second of all, I've bought and sold many domains. Probably 20-30. Third of all, why don't you look at the site and oh, I don't know, READ? http://www.estibot.com/appraise.php?a=appraisal&k=c5719462f946580d4771c7e66433d907&domain=qcu.co. Read all the things that it takes into account. If you actually LOOK, it does CPC for "qcu," which is the name of the site. So, smart one, it is existent. You broke the contract. PS: You probably shouldn't be ranting about how I'm 14 when you can't even make a complete sentence. |
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OKPAY is a scam. I followed all their instructions to get a debit card and it was declined because they decided that instead of my DL they wanted my national ID. My country (USA) does not have a national ID. Now I have an OKPAY wallet which is pretty useless.
You could always use a passport card (or a regular passport). I use my passport card for all of this stuff, you can get it for $20 extra when you order your passport. I suppose I could renew my passport. Doesn't your passport say that it you cannot photocopy it? I can see making a B/W copy, but a high resolution color copy sounds like it would be illegal. It doesn't say anything like that on mine. It might say that on the actual passport, though. Also, I think it's illegal to make a physical copy. I just scanned it and sent it to campbx. |
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