Unfortunately I'm not a programmer and may you laugh me, but what if we would write another coin (little brother of NEM), which would only be possible to mine/forge by trading and/or holding NEM? The more you hold, the more you mine. Also if you sell or buy some NEM you're earning some of the little brother. NEM should get an unbelievable thrust through and it would people even more animate to use this Movement. More I would bet some little stakes for Social Media, especially pages which are specialized for enlightening peepz and tell them about our current monetary system . 100 000 NEM for example for https://www.facebook.com/Killuminati.for.Wakeup?fref=ts when posting about us. This may would bring a big thrust of new people interested to Cryptocurrency because 372 000 sociocritical people would read about it. Tell me what you think of it  It is very nice idea and it is doable via creating asset/ coin on top of the asset exchange. |
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Hi there, I just noticed that my transaction on thread one was put down as" bogus". The reason I have taken so long to get back to you is because I saw a tick at my name - number 1403 (although you now have a no.1726 on this latest thread) and I thought everything was ok.
I have checked it and have realised that I made a mistake and put down down 'YOUR' NXT address instead of the transaction number.
Here is the proper transaction number ------ 8251396164085517925
TRANSACTION : 8251396164085517925
» Timestamp : 29.01.2014 17:05:39
» Block : 14610935024728035518
» Amount : 300
» Fee : 1
» Confirmations : 13761
» Deadline : 1440
» Sender : 13047947996864699800
» Recipient : 14343293611098709683 treviso32
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Re: [ANN] NEM : Descendant of NXT - 4 billion coins - Equal Shares for ALL
January 29, 2014, 06:38:28 PM
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interested 300 nxt have been sent. id 14343293611098709683 --------SORRY ABOUT THIS INCONVENIANCE BUT i DID PAY----------
Solved, thanks. Hello, after telling me my problem was solved I dont appear to be anywhere on thread 1. I know you guys are busy but can you help sort this out? This is a triple duplicate hash case 1305 FredandBob Y 14343293611098700000 570 Operatr Y 14343293611098700000 1403 treviso32 Y 14343293611098700000 and I thought it was solved in FredandBob's favor. I will swap you in and filed a log. thanks |
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This is the original hash in your transaction post a408d6b79affc38d55a65d871959ca5131c7621341d7b948ad74d52ec7b1a8ac which is different from this one 58dcbbd836da63a8016cc00a1b8674572b18fa481b7a895a447cf21c8db6fa39 you just provided. But it was unique transaction anyway so you are added in addition tab. |
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I added you in (in addition/ change sheet) sorry for the inconvenience. |
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If that's your hash then someone else has stolen it. You'll need to prove that it's yours by sending another small amount from the same address or providing a screenshot showing that transaction in your client. Hi, I sent 0,001 BTC. I hope this proves that the account is mine. Thanks so much for your efforts in this great project Date: 25/02/2014 19:37
to: 1Lk5Paws9T1YpoSeLeZT7ZeSQKW7UNq4TJ
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Id: 60763d1bd0d71f65d2bb9a5cbb346601ee3d14da93e67fd6363711cdc4072956Thank you. I've requested you to be added to the list. 1078 lobito b8c06c07a68a2d6257bc5a747af85525cbf1ca824511237977bfcd8bf329a327 1038 OMicronit b8c06c07a68a2d6257bc5a747af85525cbf1ca824511237977bfcd8bf329a327 swap lobito in and kick OMicronit. Thanks. |
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Position 428. What's the problem ? |
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My stake was in the original list, but didn't make it into the unified list. link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422129.msg4785348#msg4785348a signed message from one of the inputs: 1HdGSYPjWuJXHEUXxL3kGARgn8m4b2Ze73 bf340bd71c6806a50b6eb6eba8089d153d95d5c723dadc461e61e4f188008507 was made for the benefit of fusecavator Hz5Mp/eKKY/ydQSmQfVBM9UTVsljZzOmzB0oR9PeSEbokpE0MP77Lue+u0u5Bg24BOXZpb/m1T6sdQ3+xiUgyXg= 1069 fusecavator Y bf340bd71c6806a50b6eb6eba8089d153d95d5c723dadc461e61e4f188008507 1041 OVOALE Y bf340bd71c6806a50b6eb6eba8089d153d95d5c723dadc461e61e4f188008507 I swapped you in and kicked the fraudster out. sorry for the inconvenience. |
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I think we should make a simple Excel list with all the stakeholders filtered out the original list and put it in an alphabetic order.
A little effort to make to spare much time, complaints and newbie questions now.
The official list follows registration order so that it can be linked to reference sources when necessary. For why 2 lists instead of 1, it is easier to check duplicate hashes/ tx id that way/. A lot of times was spent on combating fraudsters. What if a fraudster had written some meaningless comment to thread 1. Later, when he finds that someone in thread 2 has not yet written his hash, then he steals that hash and adds it to his post in thread 1. How you would find that fraudster's and someone's hash are same? Both threads were locked long ago. No editing possible. Read here as well https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=450200.msg5186684#msg5186684 the fee changed every 10 pages, so hash/ tx. id can be stolen in that range only otherwise they would not be valid. Time stamp check is used as well. How about this: the fraudster is a veteran and steals the hash from thread 1 and writes it to his post in thread 2, when it was not locked? 1. hash from thread 1 and thread 2 have different values ---> remember fee jumped every 10 pages and it changed from thread 1 to 2 as well. 2. transaction time-stamp won't match anyway. 3. Everything can be reversed with the ultimate proof of hash/ tx. id ownership. Just sent a minimum amount to NEM address from the same sending address and pm us the transaction. |
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Or something like this  This is called The four harmonious friends. The story fits our values, Once in a forest in Varanasi, four animals, an elephant, a rabbit, a monkey and a bird (partridge) disputed about the ownership of a tree where all of them happened to come to feed on. The elephant claimed it was his because he saw it first. The monkey said that it was his because he had been feeding on the fruits of the tree. The rabbit claimed it was his because he had been feeding on the dew of the leaves on the tree when it was a small sapling. The partridge who had been watching the argument said that the tree belonged to it because the tree wouldn't have grown if it had not spit out the seed from the fruit it had eaten. The elephant, monkey and rabbit all then bowed to the partridge and regarded it as their big brother. The four animals became friends and decided to share the tree together in peaceful harmony enjoying the beauty of the tree's fragrance, the nourishment of the tree's fruits, and the bounty of the tree's shade. Other animals in the forest often saw them together with the partridge on top of the rabbit who was held up by the monkey who rode on top of the elephant. Henceforth, they were called the four harmonious friends. The four animals were looked upon as an example and peace regained in the forest. There are about five different version of the story but they all had the same moral -- respect to elders, love and affection to live harmoniously. Now we need some designer to make a logo out of this. |
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I think we should make a simple Excel list with all the stakeholders filtered out the original list and put it in an alphabetic order.
A little effort to make to spare much time, complaints and newbie questions now.
The official list follows registration order so that it can be linked to reference sources when necessary. For why 2 lists instead of 1, it is easier to check duplicate hashes/ tx id that way/. A lot of times was spent on combating fraudsters. What if a fraudster had written some meaningless comment to thread 1. Later, when he finds that someone in thread 2 has not yet written his hash, then he steals that hash and adds it to his post in thread 1. How you would find that fraudster's and someone's hash are same? Both threads were locked long ago. No editing possible. Read here as well https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=450200.msg5186684#msg5186684 the fee changed every 10 pages, so hash/ tx. id can be stolen in that range only otherwise they would not be valid. Time stamp check is used as well. |
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I think we should make a simple Excel list with all the stakeholders filtered out the original list and put it in an alphabetic order.
A little effort to make to spare much time, complaints and newbie questions now.
The official list follows registration order so that it can be linked to reference sources when necessary. For why 2 lists instead of 1, it is easier to check duplicate hashes/ tx id that way/. A lot of times was spent on combating fraudsters. |
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I requested you to be added. Thanks patmast3r and Kooream for taking care of this thread. I will add all the changes in 6 hours or so. Could you also mark the changes with addition (qualified accounts missing from the list) or changes (proven owner of duplicate hash case). I will log every changes in the list in changes+addition tab. I've posted everything in that comment. I'm thinking about registering a google account...would be easier i guess Let me know your Google account, I will give you an access to the list. |
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I requested you to be added. Thanks patmast3r and Kooream for taking care of this thread. I will add all the changes in 6 hours or so. Could you also mark the changes with addition (qualified accounts missing from the list) or changes (proven owner of duplicate hash case). I will log every changes in the list in changes+addition tab. |
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I now searched on the list on this thread,and im on the right column,with no Y.I guess im not qualified to be a stakeholder,probably for the account being new.
Its fine,i dont care,but when i am getting my btc back?Ty
You are there: No. 1397. However if you prefer a refund that's possible as well. Best to pm Utopian about that if you're in a hurry about that. There will be a refund period after the public auditing and development announcement. |
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A lot of good works have been put in this. I am not sure how the company will compete in this incredibly competitive market segment but I will wholeheartedly support you and the effort. To me the process is not just about profit making efficiency but it is also a completely new way of stat-up governance. It could be a harbinger of a new society in the future which I would deem more desirable than the current system. |
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I see there's certainly no lack of drama going on here the last couple days. Anyway, is there some formal list of items us non-programmers can contribute to?
https://trello.com/b/GEWEPSZJ/nem-promotionYou should ask Utopianfuture to add you to the board There are a lot of open items in the Trello board. Let me know if you want to join in. Thanks. |
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Just a quick word about the dissolution of Mt. Gox:
With the end of Mt. Gox, the first era of bitcoin is over and now things will become more mature. The crypto world has been marked by greed and envy, and that has led to only pain and has hurt the whole community.
Let's make a new, better world with NEM.
@makoto, the second times I am touched by something you wrote. You have a thing for words. Thanks. |
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To clarify you were not being removed. You were never in because your post did not qualify the promotional condition of that page.
Yes it did satisfy the conditions. I was removed from the list. There was a 'y' next to my name, because I checked, hence the reason It's only now, with the final list, I have noticed my absence. Please don't make me come to the conclusion that you're a liar. The condition was to make a logo and posted the logo in the post. It was no big deal but you blew it to the level of principle. And yet the rules were there including two parts 1. Make the logo; 2. Posted the logo in the post so everyone can see.I have no problem with letting people passionate about NEM to join the cause even for nothing. So it is not about the level of contribution. But I think you want to accuse me that I did not make the second condition clear enough for everyone. And therefore it should not be valid. Well it might be the case but the people who submited logo at similar times to you should have the best judgment about it. That is why I want to ask them if the rules were indeed not clear enough. I am really struggling to understand this; what is it about posting a link to my logo (instead of posting it as an image) which breaks the rules you have written right there? How does what I did prevent everyone from seeing it? I am going to continue asking: may I have my stake back? I believe the decision to remove it was founded on a baseless, strange TECHNICALITY which had no reason to be there. Furthermore, it was just not made obvious enough that these were your intentions. Yes you have your stake back. I just want to remind you that while you are busy arguing for your self-righteousness, I am working 2 spread sheets of close to 3000 accounts with a lot of numbers. Mistakes are going to be made so be careful when you call someone a liar. |
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Can AAAple12 perhaps buy a stake with the spot he used for the logo?
I do feel bad if he's been active the past month with NEM and is missing out due to a miscommunications.
There's nothing worse than missing out on a possibly big opportunity due to a miscommunication. I speak from experience.
If it was all due to a miscommunications, I think this is a sensible solution, if he's been following up on Nem and reading this thread everyday.
Well he could have his stake back just as Mr.2Kool4Skewl could have his stake back. I don't really like to take things from people. But it is sad that some people like to madly argue that some rules are baseless, trivial just because the rules are going against them. |
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To clarify you were not being removed. You were never in because your post did not qualify the promotional condition of that page.
Yes it did satisfy the conditions. I was removed from the list. There was a 'y' next to my name, because I checked, hence the reason It's only now, with the final list, I have noticed my absence. Please don't make me come to the conclusion that you're a liar. The condition was to make a logo and posted the logo in the post. It was no big deal but you blew it to the level of principle. And yet the rules were there including two parts 1. Make the logo; 2. Posted the logo in the post so everyone can see. I have no problem with letting people passionate about NEM to join the cause even for nothing. So it is not about the level of contribution. But I think you want to accuse me that I did not make the second condition clear enough for everyone. And therefore it should not be valid. Well it might be the case but the people who submited logo at similar times to you should have the best judgment about it. That is why I want to ask them if the rules were indeed not clear enough. In my view, the rules were clear for all people who paid attention and I did make some extra efforts to remind everyone so at that time. But I could be subjective so let's wait for someone else who joined in by promotion at that time to chime in. Here are people who submitted logo from page 20 to page 30 which should face an exact promotional condition as you had. Everyone of them posted the logo directly in the post. HalfEvil, upekha, adobkin88, jango, serpico-cop, nemestomen, hachiko, fz0591, kakoy-soobshaete, sepi, HissFast12, lewiscoin, Hovan, lostisland, AmusedClam84, RusticChinchilla8, cryptocoin12, Picasso7, Harry_Potter, HungryLaunch, Denis_Diderot, atias, Appleanimal, suka, balalaika, ShawnLeary, overseas3, HalfArsedElectron, CheerupSmug14. I want to see some of them telling me if the rule about posting the logo directly in the post was clear enough. |
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