Phinneas,
I think you are really mean to Josh Zerlan. You should stop picking on him. He's starting to get a complex.
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BFL Fanbois: *Consider yourself in Contempt!* Camp Lugan: *Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?* BFL Fanfois: BFL's miner don't need to be FCC certified! Don't answer the question, Josh. It's a trap! Josh Zerlan: I'll answer the question! [to Phinnaeus Gage] Josh Zerlan: You want answers? Phinnaeus Gage: I think us monumental assholes are entitled to. Josh Zerlan: *You want answers?* Phinnaeus Gage: *We want the truth!* Josh Zerlan: *You can't handle the truth!* [pauses, to wipe the jeez from his chin] Josh Zerlan: Sonny lived in a room that had four walls, and one of those walls had bars guarded by Italians with guns. Who else has been there? You? You, PL? You, K9? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for those who've ordered or yet to order from our no-refund-products, then you curse BF Labs Inc. You have that luxury here on BitcoinTalk. You have the luxury of not blowing who I blow. Those that ordered, while tragic, probably would have wasted their disposable income on some useless product or service. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, tries to direct their money toward Butterfly Labs. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about in your Scooby-Doo panties, you want me to con moneys from them fools, you need me to con moneys from them fools. We use words like "in two weeks", "making hardware is hard", "we never lie". We use these words as the backbone of BF Labs Inc. Monumental assholes use them as a punchline. We have neither the time nor the inclination to explain ourselves to monumental assholes who rises and sleeps under the blanket of BFL trying to protect the Bitcoin network, and then questions the manner in which we try to do such. We would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a phone and call the FCC, the FTC, the FBI, the IRS, the CIA... Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to. Phinnaeus Gage: Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?* Josh Zerlan: I said what I was paid for to say, I... Phinnaeus Gage: *Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit the screen to the FCC?* Josh Zerlan: *You're Goddamn right they did!* *Provides link.* https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=132722&fcc_id='MSQME370T' ... Josh Zerlan: [contemptuously] You monumental assholes... you have no idea how to build ASIC-based Bitcoin miners. All you did was weaken a company today, Phinn. That's all you did. You put our profits in danger. Sweet dreams, sonny. Phinnaeus Gage: Don't call me Sonny. I'm a hero member of BitcoinTalk with the highest post count, and you're a son of a bitch with jeez on your chin. You've been served! |
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321 222 7748, the number on their site is a VoIP number from Titusville, FL (32796)
It may be a google voice number because at one point in time I had a GV number that was also 321, but i know there are lots of numbers in that area code!
They could be out of business since I don't see any activity on social media since earlier this year. In that case, if they are in bankruptcy protection filing a lawsuit may not be worth your time/money?
How much are you out? If you are out a small amount, it may not be worth the fee. If you're out a large amount, then you will NEED a lawyer since you cannot represent yourself in many jurisdictions above a certain amount.
And if they are incorporated in Wyoming, you would probably have to sue them there and not florida unless your actual transaction occurred in florida (like you walked into their storefront in florida or it was shipped from florida to an address in florida b/c in those cases it's not interstate commerce)
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When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?
Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report. BFL Fanbois: *Consider yourself in Contempt!* Camp Lugan: *Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?* BFL Fanfois: BFL's miner don't need to be FCC certified! Don't answer the question, Josh. It's a trap! Josh Zerlan: I'll answer the question! [to Phinnaeus Gage] Josh Zerlan: You want answers? Phinnaeus Gage: I think us monumental assholes are entitled to. Josh Zerlan: *You want answers?* Phinnaeus Gage: *We want the truth!* Josh Zerlan: *You can't handle the truth!* [pauses, to wipe the jeez from his chin] Josh Zerlan: Sonny lived in a room that had walls, and one of those walls had bars guarded by men with guns. Who else has been there? You? You, PL? You, K9? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for those who've ordered or yet to order, then you curse BF Labs Inc. You have that luxury here on BitcoinTalk. You have the luxury of not blowing who I blow. Those that ordered, while tragic, probably would have wasted their disposable income on some useless product or service. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, directs that money to Butterfly Labs. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about in your panties, you want me to con moneys from them fools, you need me to con moneys from them fools. We use words like "in two weeks", "making hardware is hard", "we never lie". We use these words as the backbone of BF Labs Inc. You use them as a punchline. We have neither the time nor the inclination to explain ourselves to monumental assholes who rises and sleeps under the blanket of BFL trying to protect the Bitcoin network, and then questions the manner in which we try to do such. We would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a phone and call the FCC, the FTC, the FBI, the IRS, the CIA... Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to. Phinnaeus Gage: Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?* Josh Zerlan: I said what I was paid for to say, I... Phinnaeus Gage: *Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit the screen to the FCC?* Josh Zerlan: *You're Goddamn right they did!* *Provides link.* https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=132722&fcc_id='MSQME370T' ... Josh Zerlan: [contemptuously] You monumental assholes... you have no idea how to build ASIC-based Bitcoin miners. All you did was weaken a company today, Phinn. That's all you did. You put our profits in danger. Sweet dreams, sonny. Phinnaeus Gage: Don't call me Sonny. I'm a hero member of BitcoinTalk with the highest post count, and you're a son of a bitch with jeez on your chin. You've been served! |
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I accept the revision.
BFL Fanbois: *Consider yourself in Contempt!* Camp Lugan: *Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?* BFL Fanfois: BFL's miner don't need to be FCC certified! Don't answer the question, Josh. It's a trap! Josh Zerlan: I'll answer the question! [to Phinnaeus Gage] Josh Zerlan: You want answers? Phinnaeus Gage: I think us monumental assholes are entitled to. Josh Zerlan: *You want answers?* Phinnaeus Gage: *We want the truth!* Josh Zerlan: *You can't handle the truth!* [pauses, to wipe the jeez from his chin] Josh Zerlan: Sonny lived in a room that had walls, and one of those walls had bars guarded by men with guns. Who else has been there? You? You, PL? You, K9? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for those who've ordered or yet to order, then you curse BF Labs Inc. You have that luxury here on BitcoinTalk. You have the luxury of not blowing who I blow. Those that ordered, while tragic, probably would have wasted their disposable income on some useless product or service. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, directs that money to Butterfly Labs. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about in your panties, you want me to con moneys from them fools, you need me to con moneys from them fools. We use words like "in two weeks", "making hardware is hard", "we never lie". We use these words as the backbone of BF Labs Inc. You use them as a punchline. We have neither the time nor the inclination to explain ourselves to monumental assholes who rises and sleeps under the blanket of BFL trying to protect the Bitcoin network, and then questions the manner in which we try to do such. We would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a phone and call the FCC, the FTC, the FBI, the IRS, the CIA... Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to. Phinnaeus Gage: Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?* Josh Zerlan: I said what I was paid for to say, I... Phinnaeus Gage: *Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit the screen to the FCC?* Josh Zerlan: *You're Goddamn right they did!* *Provides link.* https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=132722&fcc_id='MSQME370T' ... Josh Zerlan: [contemptuously] You monumental assholes... you have no idea how to build ASIC-based Bitcoin miners. All you did was weaken a company today, Phinn. That's all you did. You put our profits in danger. Sweet dreams, sonny. Phinnaeus Gage: Don't call me Sonny. I'm a hero member of BitcoinTalk with the highest post count, and you're a son of a bitch with jeez on your chin. You've been served!
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BFL Fanbois: *Consider yourself in Contempt!* Camp Lugan: *Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?* BFL Fanfois: BFL's miner don't need to be FCC certified! Don't answer the question, Josh. It's a trap! Josh Zerlan: I'll answer the question! [to Phinnaeus Gage] Josh Zerlan: You want answers? Phinnaeus Gage: I think us monumental assholes are entitled to. Josh Zerlan: *You want answers?* Phinnaeus Gage: *We want the truth!* Josh Zerlan: *You can't handle the truth!* [pauses, to wipe the jeez from his chin] Josh Zerlan: Sonny lived in a room that had walls, and one of those walls had bars guarded by men with guns. Who else has been there? You? You, PL? You, K9? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for those who've ordered or yet to order, and you curse BF Labs Inc. You have that luxury here on BitcoinTalk. You have the luxury of not blowing what I blow. Those that ordered, while tragic, probably would have wasted their disposable income on some useless product or service. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, directs that money to Butterfly Labs. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about in your panties, you want me to con moneys from them fools, you need me to con moneys from them fools. We use words like "in two weeks", "making hardware is hard", "we never lie". We use these words as the backbone of BF Labs Inc. You use them as a punchline. We have neither the time nor the inclination to explain ourselves to monumental assholes who rises and sleeps under the blanket of BFL trying to protect the Bitcoin network, and then questions the manner in which we try to do such. We would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a phone and call the FCC, the FTC, the FBI, the IRS, the CIA... Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to. Phinnaeus Gage: Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?* Josh Zerlan: I said what I was paid for to say, I... Phinnaeus Gage: *Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?* Josh Zerlan: *You're Goddamn right they did!* *Provides link.* https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=132722&fcc_id='MSQME370T' ... Josh Zerlan: [contemptuously] You monumental assholes... you have no idea how to build ASIC-based miners. All you did was weaken a company today, Phinn. That's all you did. You put our profits in danger. Sweet dreams, sonny. Phinnaeus Gage: Don't call me Sonny. I'm a hero member of BitcoinTalk with the highest post count, and you're a son of a bitch with jeez on your chin. You've been served! |
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They shipped Jala's for almost 2 months before shipping other stuff. You feel they should have just sat on the Jala product they could ship?
That's what they promised, so yes, they should have sat on them. Don't promise what you won't deliver. In fact, they're still promising it, and they're still not doing it. LIES. Said the guy that I just proved to, showing that Josh/BFL lies.
Oh? Care to provide a single shred of proof that I've lied? There's not a single person here that's been able to back up this claim, yet I've demonstrated it through your own posts multiple times that you're a liar. |
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First off, regardless of if any of those observations are true, you being a representative of the company would never admit it. Why waste our time there, you are paid to not hold any of those views regardless of validity of lack there of. On the contrary, I started out as a miner and was, while not equally skeptical of BFL in the beginning as some people, indeed quite skeptical. I have been a big open source advocate and support the "community" both in and out side of bitcoin. I am on the side of the miners, not on the side of business. Believe it or not, I advocate the miners perspective inside the company here. However, with that position I also have to weigh that against the best interests of the business and find a balance that both sides can live with (note, I do not say are happy with. As someone said, though I can't recall to whom I should attribute the quote, Twain perhaps and I'm paraphrasing regardless "A successful negotiation is where both parties leave unhappy.") and allow the business to continue to function and grow. I suspect I might be able to anticipate your response to this, but perhaps not... so I'll leave it there for now. Here has been my issued and it ties into and fits with your business model from my perspective. I have been around the block and I know how many dominate players act. It is about trying to corner the ASIC market and be a monopoly. I do hold and still hold that BFL intentionally announced their ASIC line with grossly overstated delivery schedules with mostly the sole reason to chill competition in the space. I support this chilling effect by the fact you not only gave a timeline that was 10 months off the mark but also the specifications you gave made it best in class just like your FPGA line. With the large upfront costs that go into developing an ASIC, if you would of actually delivered on time, it would of greatly reduced any ongoing competition because of BFL ability to raise the difficulty level faster than anyone else so that if you could continue to do that you would push people to develop on increasing more expensive chip sizes. Ok, lets grant your position for a minute as being true and look at it from that perspective. As a business entity acting in it's own best interest, why would a business not do that if it were a way to ensure it's own survival? If that were an effective tactic (and you say it is, so I'll take your word on it), to not use it and allow competition to consume your marketshare would be incredibly stupid. Why would you expect a business to act in a manner that is directly in conflict with it's own continued existence? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The reality is, though, that the timeline and specs that were offered were believed to be true at the time. If I were around at the time, I would have pushed for a more extended timeline with more flexibility, just like I am pushing for the Monarch now. I am not the final say in this company by any means, my word carries weight but it does not carry the day when that day ends. I am an advocate for the miner here within BFL, but I'm also aware of the needs of business, which most, if not all, of the detractors are completely oblivious to or just do not want to acknowledge. You speak of change, and that's great. But the cost of that change is the insolvency at worst or severely deteriorating business. There is no business in this market that can operate in the altruistic manner you appear to want. BFL is not a charity or a non-profit organization, it's a for profit business. Acting against that would be nonsensicle and once people finally come to accept and understand that bitcoin is now a business and not some pie-in-the-sky dream of libertarians (much to their chagrin, I'm sure), perhaps the fervor and irrationality may die down a bit, but that day is probably a long way off. But just because the world isn't the way you want the world to be (I'm using the royal "you" here, not you specifically) is not an excuse for you to be an asshat on the internet. It's those people I do not care for or respect. Said the guy that I just proved to, showing that Josh/BFL lies.
Oh? Care to provide a single shred of proof that I've lied? There's not a single person here that's been able to back up this claim, yet I've demonstrated it through your own posts multiple times that you're a liar. l Who has deleted posts before? Certainly not me.
Do you really want to take that position, BFL_Josh, also AKA <someone else>? Perhaps BFL_Josh has never altered history. But <someone else> absolutely has in the context of BFL communications. (Search for "memory hole" and folks can find one of my follow-ups where this happened.) -- I remember what I've read. And I've read all the BFL related threads starting with the Fall 2011 BFL one's. I recognize that you're new to BFL corporate membership, but there is a *lot* of history to overcome before BFL has a good reputation. Absolutely I want to take that position. That accusation is pretty serious, please provide a link where I strategically deleted any information I've posted as either Inaba or BFL_Josh. Once again, people are acting like it's a secret that I have two accounts; It's not. In my capacity as a representative of BFL, I post as BFL_Josh, for other things, I post as Inaba.But in both cases, I don't hide what I write or strategically delete/alter anything. I've been accused of that in the past by certain members of this forum, but when the chips were down it was shown those individuals lied and any accusations they made were completely fabricated just to support their weak and untenable position. There's a feature of the forum if you use the default skin where it says when the message was last edited... so please be careful what you accuse me of, because I can prove you wrong if you are just making things up. If there some place that I strategically deleted something, please point it out as I have no recollection of it and it would be an error on my part. BTW, that guy I mention yesterday... you know... the one that was so kind to send BFL bitcoins for a product... Well, it looks like the question he asked yesterday has yet to be addressed my you, or anybody else over a t BFL. To refresh your memory, it's a post on BFL's forum that I'm in reference to, shown below and linked here: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/monarch-discussion/4533-so-bfl-who-first-batch-monarch.html#post54429So, BFL, who is in the first batch for the Monarch
The other companies point when a batch is sold out so that noone could buy a product that is actually ... sold out. But you no. Why? I transferred my 2 singles to 2 monarchs on 18.08 in the morning. Because you launched the pre-orders on Saturday and you didn't accept Paypal and I actually need your product to make such amount of btc to pay for your product but I still don't have neither of your products ( it sounds like catch 22...) I couldn't pay with BTC. And because you announced it on the early week-end no bank wire was possible (at least in Europe). Even the online bank transfers start on Monday. So I made the payment on Monday. You received the money 2-3 day later, my status is changed to processing and I have an order date of 18.08.
So my humble question is - am I in the first batch? I accepted the Agreement between you and me and I accepted "finally", "irreversible", without no refund and without possible future cancellation (the cancel option was added later) to transfer my money to the monarch. I think that almost 3000$ is enough for an earnest. I paid the rest of the sum on the first possible day - 19.08 - Monday. There was no other possible faster way to pay. So can I believe that I am in the first batch? Because it would look surrealistic if you say that the whole batch is sold out on the first day... I'm well aware that to you, Josh, $5,000 isn't a very large sum, thus your probable reason for not yet addressing the loyal BFL customer, but maybe, just maybe, that $5,000 meant a whole lot more to him. Please see what you can do for that guy. Don't you, COO of BF Labs Inc., owe him at least that much respect? At the very least, tell him to post over here on this forum, similar to what you told that other guy yesterday on BFL's forum. We all loved that one! Then again, what the fuck do I know about business. For all we know, the business practice you/BFL practice is the new norm, hence you kindly coming here to learnt us monumental assholes, of which we kindly say, "Thank you, Josh Zerlan, for allowing us to hear your sacred words. Hollowed be thy name!" |
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I placed an order with them in january and received nothing to date. I have asked them over a dozen times for a coin refund - not even at the difference between today’s price and january's price but just a flat out refund at today's price. I could care less that I am losing money! I was willing to take a loss, I just wanted out and to be done with Jay's crap company. Does anyone have the actual address in florida so i can proceed with suit without hiring a lawyer? I have searched through threads and google to no avail. If I cant get an answer I guess I will just have to hire a lawyer and have them snoop it out. Dont do business with this clown - don't end up like me. I placed orders with them before the last and they went through - wish i had read the other threads here and gone with amagi...  Start here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48022.0If we don't find the one in the florida, the address provided above is an excellent starting point for any lawyer worth their salt. |
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That would explain why Josh is over here. He opted for the monumental assholes oppose to the colossal idiots who were kind enough to order what they thought were the first batch of Monarchs. |
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I already got a file number from the KS AG. Let's see what kind of investigating they will be doing.
I blasted 5 emails to the FCC today, and WILL make a personal phone call tomorrow. Full Disclosure: I may either lie a tad or lot during the conversation. I have to, otherwise Josh will be considered a liar for calling me a liar, thus must follow through. Where is the "proof" that Josh called you a liar? Then insert (Expletive, some badly veiled threat to expose your proclivity to be a pedophile to your boss in an attempt to get you fired and lose your only means to support you family and a few more expletives and some how explain that you know absolutely nothing about bitcoin and that he is an expert) Did I summarize that correctly? I own a barn wood business, thus my proclivity (note to self, Google that) to be a goatophile is a standard claim to fame in that industry. |
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September 15th is coming  Beware!!!!!!!!!!!  What's on the 15th? That's the day Sonny Vleisides' probation ends, imposed upon him via a judge, plus the only $100 USD fine, for fleecing hundreds of millions of dollars from the elderly with his 15 year running lottery scam. He was never charged with the fleecing of tens of millions of dollars with this Laissez Faire City scam with his Daddy-O, James Ray Houston, or with his ongoing sportsbook schemes with his partner Jeffrey Ownby who, by the way, is currently selling off the Costa Rican property the LFCity investors have been looking for for the past couple decades, of which I've found and linked, but Jeff Ownby cleverly scrubbed the listings off the internet. But, chances are that I'm 100% mistaken, and all the BFL players are performing above board, either way... GAME ON!
That's gonna be interesting. The penalty for fraud while on probation is much more serious than if you're not. I hope then that I'll get my rigs by the 15th. Unlikely but one can hope. Lets see if feb jalapeños fly as quickly as jan. I'm guessing no, but I hope I'm wrong. Feb should not be that bad, bud. Luck! |
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September 15th is coming Beware!!!!!!!!!!! What's on the 15th? That's the day Sonny Vleisides' probation ends, imposed upon him via a judge, plus the only $100 USD fine, for fleecing hundreds of millions of dollars from the elderly with his 15 year running lottery scam. He was never charged with the fleecing of tens of millions of dollars with this Laissez Faire City scam with his Daddy-O, James Ray Houston, or with his ongoing sportsbook schemes with his partner Jeffrey Ownby who, by the way, is currently selling off the Costa Rican property the LFCity investors have been looking for for the past couple decades, of which I've found and linked, but Jeff Ownby cleverly scrubbed the listings off the internet. But, chances are that I'm 100% mistaken, and all the BFL players are performing above board, either way... GAME ON! |
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September 15th is coming Beware!!!!!!!!!!! Remember, remember, the 15th of September! |
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Your attorney would certainly ask you those questions by way of gathering background and knowing what issues to steer away from. And their defense would certainly raise those points.
For damaged, people would be claiming their list funds as damages. So that's easy to solve prior to appearing in court, but after the plaintiffs attorney had already collected some fees. Or people could take the more aggressive route and try to claim their perceived "lost" coins as damages, at which point there would be argument after argument as to what the state of bitcoin prices might have been had they shipped their units sooner. Which ultimately would only go to lining the lawyers pockets.
But yes, ultimately I'd be shocked if anyone from this thread actually filed a suit. It's still been an amusing read, though...
I've found dozens of lawyers and law firms in Kansas City alone. Fellow users on this forum has already PM'd me with contacts for their lawyers with proven track record. Currently I'm formulating the initial query to selected few of them. I want to keep my case simple and straightforward, so I will sue only for the refund and for the costs of my legal defense. No lost mining revenue questionable stuff. Stick to the facts: 1. your honor, here is an pre-order (insert date and proof here) 2. here is a payment (insert date and proof here) 3. months passed by, there is no shipment 4. here is a refund request (insert date and proof here) 5. here is a reply denying the refund request (insert date and proof here) 6. here is this law, that requires seller to issue a refund on request (insert the reference here) 7. here is the costs of legal defense (final amount will be provided after the trial has ended) 8. GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK BFL 9. here is the Power of Attorney from this Trupik gentleman from Europe (insert document here) |
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That's Josh for you. I can't believe they haven't muzzled this guy yet. He's a walking liability. He's a walking market share destroyer. If I were Cointerra I'd pay for Josh to keep doing what he's doing cause he's turning away more future customers than anyone on any forum or blog. The fact you're a paying customer for BFL and have been waiting for over 6 months gives you the right to post on their blog. That what their blog is for. The fact he shut you down instead of resolving your issue, on way or another, means BFL has no intention to change their attitude or approach and thus will become insolvent next year when KNC, Cointerra, etc steals their most loyal customer base. Caution: do not place any high ticket Monarch orders with BFL. Odds are that's where the musical chairs stop and the Ponzi scheme ends. Thanks for the massive preorders with no chance of refunds since they wised up and eliminated PayPal. Be glad if you receive your jalapeños.
My guess is they'll ship those out to stay out of prison. It looks good on paper to say we shipped thousands of units and well, we ran out of funds due to new technology upgrades and unforeseen competition which greatly squeezed our profit margins.
Not only will they not get prosecuted but they will never pay anyone a dime back cause they'll file Bankruptcy.
Take your jalapeños and RUN!Don't worry, when BFL files bankruptcy, Sonny Vleisides' good friend Johann Gevers will haddle the liquidation process just like he did here: http://web.archive.org/web/20030603182935/http://www.lfcfa.com/founders/index.htmlOddly enough, all the real real estate in Costa Rica that was purchased through Laissez Faire City never showed up on the audit and nobody knew where it was until I discovered that Jeff (Jeffrey) Ownby is currently in the process of selling it. Sadly, the links I provided in the thread on this forum no longer work due to Jeffrey Boy scrubbing the internet. If what I stated above is false, may a giant dick be stuck up my ass and a long, juicy dark one tickle my tonsils--AT THE SAME TIME! |
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You really think it has anything to do with people wanting to know non-public information? Of course it does, that's what the vast majority of the "questions" center around. 1. Mis-leading statements & advertising on delivery schedule There are no intentionally misleading statements or advertising. Statements and advertising were given as what was believed to be true at the time. If you can't see that, it's impossible to continue this line of discussion and serves as a direct example as to why it's impossible to hold a rational conversation with people on this forum. The fact that you (apparently) honestly believe that this was some sort of scam from it's inception, with a complicated, methodical and intricate plot to dissemination misinformation and advertising is why no rational answer will satisfy. 2. Mis-leading statements on performance claims initially See #1 above. If you honestly believe we knew our power usage was going to be something other than what we said it was, it serves as yet another example of why it's impossible to hold a rational conversation. You already have it in your mind that there was wrongdoing and that things were the way you want them to be, as opposed to what they really were. 3. Disrespectful Customer service primarily by you (Josh) Ok, lets address this. I seriously doubt I can get a rational response out of you with regards to this, but I will try to hold a rational conversation, but first I need one thing from you, because this one thing will illustrate my further dialog. Please provide an example of disrespectful customer service that I have initiated. I ask this of you because I only respond disrespectfully to people who approach in a disrespectful, rude, offensive or otherwise unacceptable manner. I do not initiate hostile dialog, merely respond to it. This point was lost long ago on most people, because they are inherently irrational in their hatred of BFL. If you begin a dialog by lying, posting false information, writing in an exceptionally rude manner, etc... you can expect the same in return, as I have no respect or use for you. On the other hand, as so (sadly) few people have found out, when you approach the situation with common courtesy, rationality and respect, you get the same in return. Now, before you provide "evidence" of one of the typical troll crew asking "polite" information, please take into account past actions. Once you have a history of trolling and being a general ass hat, it doesn't matter how you continue down the line, you are already completely useless to the conversation and no amount of concern-trolling will repair that situation. With that in mind, please provide examples of where someone approached the dialog in a polite, respectful manner from the get-go and got a vitriolic, disrespectful response. Bear in mind, I'm not saying it hasn't happened on the rare occasion (though I can't think of any, honestly), but those instances, if they even exist are so few and far between that they don't really apply in this context that you are referring to (That of a systemic, unilateral response paradigm from me). 4. Whole-fully inadequate customer service responses that basically were intentionally misleading to cover for issue #2 mentioned above. This seems like part of the above, which has already been addressed. Again, what you consider inadequate usually means it is some sort of information you *really* *really* want to know but aren't *really* entitled to. Note: If I came across as directly advocating BCF to do this action, it should not be taken there because I have no business relationship with BFL so I was not directly affected by these claims that have been brought up many times by many miners. What I was addressing that if BCF did take this issue on, it would give them creditability for addressing an issue that rightly or wrongly is a big issue with a large amount of miners. If anything, they would be doing you a favor by opening a dialogue with BFL and allow you to address and make amends to issues which I DO believe are valid. I am just not advocating that BCF do that, by I am giving the observation that it would help them with a core group of users. Again, how would this "core group of users" you are referring to be helped if BCF "went after" BFL? You still haven't answered this question.
Allow me, all, to address the clown pertaining to the 15pt bold red text above. Over 6 hours ago, a customer of BFL posted on its forum the following: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/monarch-discussion/4533-so-bfl-who-first-batch-monarch.html#post54429So, BFL, who is in the first batch for the Monarch
The other companies point when a batch is sold out so that noone could buy a product that is actually ... sold out. But you no. Why? I transferred my 2 singles to 2 monarchs on 18.08 in the morning. Because you launched the pre-orders on Saturday and you didn't accept Paypal and I actually need your product to make such amount of btc to pay for your product but I still don't have neither of your products ( it sounds like catch 22...) I couldn't pay with BTC. And because you announced it on the early week-end no bank wire was possible (at least in Europe). Even the online bank transfers start on Monday. So I made the payment on Monday. You received the money 2-3 day later, my status is changed to processing and I have an order date of 18.08.
So my humble question is - am I in the first batch? I accepted the Agreement between you and me and I accepted "finally", "irreversible", without no refund and without possible future cancellation (the cancel option was added later) to transfer my money to the monarch. I think that almost 3000$ is enough for an earnest. I paid the rest of the sum on the first possible day - 19.08 - Monday. There was no other possible faster way to pay. So can I believe that I am in the first batch? Because it would look surrealistic if you say that the whole batch is sold out on the first day... The guy was kind enough to support BFL with his ~$5,000 investment/order, and in return all he wants is an answer to a relatively simple question. But, somehow you feel it more important to come here, a community you're on record to loathe, ignoring the very customer base that has so kindly afforded 45, and counting, employees at BF Labs Inc. You even have the gull to come here and chastise the very people on the forum BFL supports with its advertising dollars/bitcoins. Here's a suggestion for you, one of which 99% of the business people here wouldn't even need to be reminded of: Go back to your forum and address every issue that your loyal customers who've sent their hard earned money to BFL have, then when you're done, come back here and playyyy with us for a while. Each time I see you in a thread, I will now remind you of the above, among other things. GAME ON! |
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Lose. Not loose.
This must be the most common spelling mistake on the Internet. Unacceptable.
their should be a rule book for they to read or something you think!  |
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Josh is online. Theymos has an ad in this thread between the first and second post. Looks like...wait for it...
GAME ON!
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