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I will bump this post periodically until that outright lying text is removed from Josh's Trust thingie.
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Where is that "Honest Abe" quote from Josh  Can't seem to find it anywhere............... ...Although there are always issues during development, our team is highly experienced in exactly this field and we're currently ahead of our original timeline. Honest Abe, we're scheduling shipments for October of 2012. Will it REALLY be as fast as you say? YES. It's really that fast. Let's review our track record once again. Our most recent release was the Mini Rig... |
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Also Posted in Pre-Sales at BFL Forum
MiniRig Line:Concerned
Via Jody's blog, we can conclude the minirig line made ZERO progress from roughly August 15th until today. It seems ONE 500 GH/s unit has been completed since then (as seen on Jody's Update yesterday). If only one 500 GH/s unit has been completed since the 15th, which is 8 days...How, at ONE 500 GH/s unit EVERY 8 DAYS, will BFL ever complete the backlog?
If BFL is purposely slowing the Minirig line, to force big-money investors to switch their investment to the Monarch line, this would be very troubling.
I welcome BFL to clarify why this line, which so much money has been dumped into by customers, is moving so slowly...Neglect, lack of coordination, or fraud?
Also, since I have 1.5 TH/s to my order...Can I assume, at one 500GH/s rig every 8 days, my order will take 24 DAYS to build and fulfill?
Thanks for your time
PS: I'm not an angry troll, I've invested in the Minirig line and I'm extremely concerned at the lack of progress. And seemingly no effort to correct it..
Are no other MiniRig purchasers as concerned as I am?
Hello EvilLizardApparel, Just wanted to let you know that MiniRig line was not slowed down in any way, we were just waiting for new boards to arrive to the facility. Regards, Nasser Hello Loyal Barn Wood Customer Just wanted to let you know that processing your barn wood order has not slowed down in any way, we were just waiting for a new barn to manifest itself so that we can go out and steal more barn wood to procure your paid pre-order to our facility. As you're probably not aware, stealing barn wood at night is hard.
Did Nasser just state that there was no slow down at the beginning of the sentence, then at the end of the same sentence express why there was a slow down? My only guess is that it was lost in translation from French to English when he posted that late at night there in Paris. I'm also guessing that after he clicked post, he returned to jacking off on that PCB that plays elevator music that he invented. |
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Will this list held up against the infamous Las Vegas Pirate meetup?  Not sure, but to date we have one French banker, three KC area photographers, an ex-felon, a foundation guy, a data center guy who just happened to work across the street from one of BFL's address, and a Walmart greeter doing assembly, possibly soon with a piece of equipment purchased off eBay. You have to wonder if Pirate is saying to himself, "Why the hell didn't I think of this?" I literally lol'd Not sure, but to date we have one French banker, three KC area photographers, an ex-felon, a foundation guy, a data center guy who just happened to work across the street from one of BFL's addresses, and a Walmart greeter doing assembly, possibly soon operating a piece of equipment purchased off eBay, working in concert with one another to build computer rigs of which they've already received $9M USD in pre-orders for. You have to wonder if Pirate is saying to himself, "Genius! That's 18 times more than what I got. Why the hell didn't I think of it?" French killed millions of people, helped the Nazis, and now they work for BFL...  It's worse than that! Josh and Sonny French kiss each other at the beginning of their shift. |
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Considering I filed a formal complaint with the FTC, it would be my pleasure to testify against them should it go court.
I simply figured the FTC would rather see a petition than read 100's of emails. |
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That BOY ain't right!https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/3675-refund-policy-13.html#post53961August 14th was before my time, so I can't speak to that. I should have been more clear about that. Anything that happened before I arrived I had no control over and there was a significant ramp up to learning what was what when I came on board.
The bottom line is we have had the all sales are final policy for a very long time. We've also offered refunds on a case by case basis for a very long time. We double checked multiple times that you wanted to keep your order before finally stopping refunds. It's not like we pulled the rug out from under you and you had ample opportunity to cancel your order.
You purchased a pre-order, you received a pre-order, sales over at that point. You will get your product when it becomes available. First, let me start off by saying I apologize for the length of this post. I wanted to get all the information out there at once. Normally, I would not make a post of this nature, but given the current circumstances, I think it is warranted. Many of you on bitcointalk.org forums know me as “Inaba,” the operator of the Eclipse Mining Consortium bitcoin pool. In approximately two weeks I will also be wearing a different hat. As you may be able to guess from my new forum name, I will be working with and for BFL. Effective August 13, 2012 I have accepted the position of Chief Operating Officer of BF Labs INC. (Butterfly Labs) BFL is the clear technical leader in the FPGA and upcoming ASIC mining space. As a direct result, the company has grown very quickly over the past year. Unfortunately, its customer service, which was initially very good, did not scale fast enough, which caused customer relations and transparency to suffer. BFL is eager to improve and one of my top responsibilities in this new position is to focus on that specific issue. I am, have always been and will always be committed to good customer service and transparency when it comes to bitcoin in general and the daily operations of related activities. This is where I will be focusing much of my initial attention, specifically to take the pressure off of everyone involved so that they can focus on the other important factors, such as getting the hardware delivered on time! While I may not be universally liked by everyone in this community, I believe I at least have the respect of many people. I have always stood behind my integrity and commitment to what I promise and I take ownership of my mistakes. This will not change going forward and I will give my best level of effort to deliver on the promises I make to this community as a representative of BFL, as I always have. If for some reason I am unable to deliver on those promises, I will provide an explanation as to why. While there may come a day when bitcoin does not need the Bitcointalk community, that day is still far in the future. As I have cultivated a relationship with this community through EMC, I also plan on cultivating a rewarding relationship with the community through BFL. There is some history and baggage to overcome, but I do not believe it is insurmountable. I also will not be part of or lend my credibility to an organization I do not believe in or one that I believe is working to undermine bitcoin at the expense of the community just to make a quick buck. To forestall some of the most likely questions, I’m going to answer them here: Q. Have you been working for BFL all along?A. No. I have had no business relations with BFL beyond being a customer and also providing some technical assistance getting their equipment to properly talk to pools. Q. Seriously. You’ve been working with BFL from the start, you can admit it, haven’t you?A. Seriously, no! I first discovered BFL at the same time as everyone else, back around November of 2011. It was purely coincidental that I happened to work, literally, across the street from their registered address of operations. I was just as skeptical as everyone else, especially when I discovered the registered address appeared to be a Lebanese restaurant that I frequent (but never really paid attention to the address). I learned more about BFL along with everyone else and since I was local and close by, I reached out on behalf of the Bitcointalk community to BFL, specifically Sonny, to see if I could gather more information. I had been running the EMC pool since May/June of 2011 and had no knowledge of, or association with BFL or any of the parties involved in BFL up until it was first noticed on these forums. Q. Are you going to stop being such a jerk on the forums to some people?A. Maybe. It depends. Actually, yes. As a pool operator and an independent individual I have far more latitude and freedom to express my displeasure with some of the more intense stupidity that can be encountered on the internet. As a representative of a company, I am, unfortunately, a bit more constrained from explaining to various people exactly why they are idiots. As such, I will likely be ignoring a lot of the more of the ludicrous posts than I have before. To those of you who enjoyed reading my rants, I am sorry that they will be far fewer and betweener.  Q. What are your qualifications in the endeavor? What do you bring to the table?A. I’m glad you asked. From a customer service perspective, and more specifically, from an online community perspective, I have extensive experience on both sides of the fence. I have run online forums since the Fidonet days, and have extensive experience in the often caustic, emotionally driven environment that an online forum can produce. This allows me to effectively communicate with the population, since I am one of the populous myself. Unlike many customer facing people in many industries, I also have a strong technical background; I am able to communicate effectively with you about your problems, wishes and desires from a technical perspective. I will not make empty promises from a marketing standpoint if I know it’s technically unreasonable or impossible. I am also able to effectively manage a project from end to end, which will be critical in getting our manufacturing and production lines going in the most efficient manner possible. I have also run a number of startups, and I understand the unique challenges required of a startup to function properly and successfully. Q. Come on, for real, you’ve been with BFL all along, right?A. No! Really! I have been working for an unrelated company that has nothing to do with bitcoin long before BFL was founded or I knew of any of the people involved, and I am still working for that company, until the day I start working for BFL. Q. What will happen to EMC?A. Right now, there are no plans to change anything with regards to EMC, other than more improvements as usual. I will continue to operate EMC as I have since the start. Q. You are going to have an unfair advantage when it comes to mining equipment, you’ll be able to get as much as you want before anyone else! A. I will not be expanding my mining footprint as it would be a conflict of interest. I will continue with my current obligations and already acquired/paid for equipment but will not be purchasing or utilizing additional equipment as part of my mining operations. This is one of the hardest changes I will be making, as I firmly believe there are plenty of opportunities in this space that I am going to be missing out on, but I believe I can do more good for the bitcoin community as a whole working to provide that equipment to people as opposed to using it myself. Q. Why now? Why not before?A. The topic never really came up. BFL as a corporate entity is a startup and has been running very lean and mean. With wild success and absolutely spectacular outlook for products, it’s time to move to the next stage of business. With my diverse skill set, I can replace both a technical lead and a PR/community lead, thereby eliminating the need for an additional person, which means we can move that much quicker in the market as well as have that much less overhead that can go towards development instead of human resources. Q. Are you going to become just another mouthpiece for the BFL party line?A. First of all, there is no “party line” coming out of BFL. They have been up front and honest with their dealings in the community from day one. There are a number of people on the forums that feel that BFL has been dishonest and some of those feelings are justified if viewed through the lens of “Every business should be perfect, always.” However, both Sonny and the engineers, contrary to some statements you may have seen from others on the forum, have been honest in their assessments of capabilities and timelines. They have been mistaken, yes, but they have not been willfully or intentionally dishonest. Some can say they should have known better, and whether or not that is true is, at this point, academic. I am looking at the future, not the past, and I will be doing my level best to provide accurate information from day one. If there is some information that I believe to be inaccurate, a lie, or just plain wrong, I will not pass it off as fact. I will not tow any “party line.” I will give you the honest facts as I know them. There may be times that there are trade secrets that I cannot reveal, but I do not believe this constitutes falsehood or anything nefarious, as there are times where revealing certain bits of information would put BFL at a competitive disadvantage. That will harm not only BFL, but also its current and future customers. If there are still people that, going forward, feel that this is somehow dishonest, then I apologize in advance and I also give advance notice that there will, in fact, be times where 100% of information cannot be disclosed, either immediately or possibly ever. Q. Help me! Order Status? Why is the sky blue?A. I will not be able to answer your questions with regards to order status, etc… via PMs. The PM system does not allow me to track or correlate information to provide accurate answers. I will, however, be able to do that via email and our new support system that I will be facilitating in the near future. PMs requesting information that should be directed to the support system will be ignored. I apologize for this, but it’s just not feasible to handle the volume of requests that it would generate. Q. Are there cookies?A. Yes, there will be cookies. The cake, however, is still a lie. Up to, and including August 8, 2013, BFL_Josh posted exactly 8 times, including the following 8th post: The BFL Hoax has become so large now that they have had to hire a Chief Operating Officer. I predict that by the end of the year they will be delivering products just to keep up the charade. Best quote ever.
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At BFL they wear caps, not cowboy hats! A cowboy is a cowboy even if it has amorous relations with other cowboys on the side. More appropriate given their location would be to label them Royals fans. The same exact image came to mind when I read that post, but envisioned Josh and Sonny as the leads. |
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This is ridiculous. How do companies like this even exist? And why is BFL's spokesperson such an idiot? A monkey banging on the keyboard would be more helpful and probably twice as polite.
Get the monkeys to vote in the latest petition: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280290.0I locked this thread on Aug. 28, 2013. |
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The link of this thread will be sent to the FTC if the yea votes surpass 200 and the nay votes constitute less than 25% of the yea votes.
To be fair, I have started the voting with a no, for I firmly believe this will be the only time that category will be ahead of the yes votes. I will not be using any of my other accounts on this forum to up the obvious side.
Let the voting begin!
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We can add Bullshit to the list of languages. |
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It looks like Jeff Ownby is now scrubbing a host of his accounts on the internet. This action begs the question that if what I've stated in this thread was inaccurate, what's the reason for Jeff Ownby to delete several accounts containing mundane posts? Is it because they are not that mundane?
What next, Jeff. Deleting your 60+ sportsbooks sites all linked to Webspawner owned by Sonny Vleisides but recently put in your name?
But, don't mind me, for I'm just one of them monumental assholes.
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keepers repeatedly failed in their attempts to breed the animal. The reason for that failure is now clear: it was a different species to the mates on offer.  To date, there's only been one successful breeding between two similar, yet dissimilar, species, namely the Zerlan and Vleisides creatures.  I was wondering where was the BFL reference, I thought you were ill! Hopefully it will remain the only one Should be the only BFL reference on this thread, unless they decide to name their 10nm line the Ringerl, then I'm fucked. |
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keepers repeatedly failed in their attempts to breed the animal. The reason for that failure is now clear: it was a different species to the mates on offer. To date, there's only been one successful breeding between two similar, yet dissimilar, species, namely the Zerlan and Vleisides creatures. |
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