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821  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MangoCoinz Official ANN Thread - Mine cryptocurrencies on you smart phone on: April 22, 2015, 05:40:47 PM
Use cryptos is a confirmed scam at this point.
822  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Viorcoin | Voice & Video Call | ViorNumber | Cheap International Calls on: April 22, 2015, 05:37:33 PM
So some have decided this is over... pity. Because I believe it could be quite successful as it is.  But, apparently,  there isn't a community willing to make it work. IF there's one and IF the dev wants to turn over the project, there can indeed be a future.  Big IFS...
823  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: April 22, 2015, 11:44:05 AM
so who is dump 8k dash to 0.0130 ?

Bob surplus
824  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SLR] SolarCoin | PoW to PoS v. 2.0 | Solar Proof of Generation (§1 = 1MWh) on: April 18, 2015, 07:19:03 AM
Haters are in full force on this coin must mean good times ahead!

It is all about what people consider to value.

I can tell you a short story. It might explain why I value our planet.
I grew up in the countryside. Each morning I would spend many hours (possibly 2-3 hours everyday) just playing in the small stream, we would try to catch crayfish, dig in the mud, we would look for small bugs, the stream was flowing, it was healthy. And it was amazing experience, for a 4 year old!
This was 25+ years ago.

Fast forward to today, I return to my countryside home, the creek has not flowed for more than 10 years, maybe a few little trickles of water every year. There is no environment to play in for kids. It is half concreted over by the local government in an effort to increase water flow, and quite depressing really. Ask the neighbors, and they mention the kids haven't caught any crayfish or anything from that environment maybe in a long time. Maybe even in 20 years. Kids don't even WANT to play in the smelly dirty concrete place. They are losing the VALUE of their natural environment.

We cannot link any specific climatic event to climate change, but we can look at overall trends.
The overall trend here is the fact that the climate around that town has changed a lot.

There are millions of stories just like this, maybe you even know some as well.
Grassroots, people want to help. People want to value ways to improve human civilizations longevity. They don't know how. They already VALUE an atmosphere with less CO2 in it.

The value is within a lot of people. This value can be translated into a buy-in into SolarCoin, or more claimants. Then the network effect and POSv can also help. Other providers make it easy to transfer and change SolarCoin into other things other people value.

Thanks
lfloorwalker



Nice story, I had seen things like this when I did a 50 Mile hike as a kid, then came back only 5 years later and saw the same meadows that were completely dead and trees dying. So sad.

I am here to protect the grassroots people from being taken in by BitCoin like promises. Solar equals money, so why not make Solar the actual backing. The coin would always be worth the base cost. I have seen many coins come and go and people lose money on them all. They are always setup the same way and fail.

If you think that backing with solar to the buy wall wouldn't work then no backing at all wouldn't work either. The only way it would work is to rename the coin SatoshiSolar and it always equals one Satoshi. Then you have Quadrillions of coins to claim and a satoshi could be worth more than a dollar when BitCoin takes off to da Moon!!! 100,000 dollars per BitCoin!

That's the spirit! 

And whatever it is you are taking I want a good shot of it. ...
825  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SLR] SolarCoin | PoW to PoS v. 2.0 | Solar Proof of Generation (§1 = 1MWh) on: April 15, 2015, 09:48:09 AM
Best thing anyone can do for this coin is just get the word out especially to people who have solar panels on there roof. Its very easy to spot  Wink

For the umpthteenth time, why is doing that in any way, shape or form positive for this project? Do you REALLY believe anyone will be interested in "collecting" a few cents they wouldn't bother to pick up on the street if they were lying on the floor? I didn't think so. Regular people -as opposed to stupid loser nutcases- are quite busy doing something called LIVING to waste their valuable time on something only jerkoffs engage on.

Did you sell at the bottom? Sorry for your luck.

So people who paid .005 cents for bitcoins in 2009 where losers also? I bet you would pick those up off the ground today.

At least they could buy pizza for like 30k of them or something.  It was SOMETHING. There's absolutely nothing you can buy with SLR that you cannot buy with any and all of the more than 500 altcoins somehow active today.

But you still refuse to answer the far more important question: why any and all jerkoffs claiming coins would in any way, shape or form benefit slr?

Dont fell sorry for me. I haven't lost a single cent on this utopy. I am "ahead" .... by at least us $0.10...

I do feel sorry for you, but for other reasons.

And that in its own way tells everything about you right there.
826  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SEED] SeedCoin | New Road Map on: April 14, 2015, 10:19:37 PM
I see the Elder Tree and Seed Forest webpage is back up. Does that mean they will both be dropping seedlings again? Would be great to see that happening again.

A well seeded forest is better than a few lonely tress siting out in the middle of a field.


Good news, but i cant connect to nodes  Sad

Funny, hilarious guys... all the 3 of you. Hysterical in fact...
827  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SLR] SolarCoin | PoW to PoS v. 2.0 | Solar Proof of Generation (§1 = 1MWh) on: April 14, 2015, 05:10:41 PM
Best thing anyone can do for this coin is just get the word out especially to people who have solar panels on there roof. Its very easy to spot  Wink

For the umpthteenth time, why is doing that in any way, shape or form positive for this project? Do you REALLY believe anyone will be interested in "collecting" a few cents they wouldn't bother to pick up on the street if they were lying on the floor? I didn't think so. Regular people -as opposed to stupid loser nutcases- are quite busy doing something called LIVING to waste their valuable time on something only jerkoffs engage on.

Did you sell at the bottom? Sorry for your luck.

So people who paid .005 cents for bitcoins in 2009 where losers also? I bet you would pick those up off the ground today.

At least they could buy pizza for like 30k of them or something.  It was SOMETHING. There's absolutely nothing you can buy with SLR that you cannot buy with any and all of the more than 500 altcoins somehow active today.

But you still refuse to answer the far more important question: why any and all jerkoffs claiming coins would in any way, shape or form benefit slr?

Dont fell sorry for me. I haven't lost a single cent on this utopy. I am "ahead" .... by at least us $0.10...
828  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SLR] SolarCoin | PoW to PoS v. 2.0 | Solar Proof of Generation (§1 = 1MWh) on: April 14, 2015, 04:22:43 PM
Best thing anyone can do for this coin is just get the word out especially to people who have solar panels on there roof. Its very easy to spot  Wink

For the umpthteenth time, why is doing that in any way, shape or form positive for this project? Do you REALLY believe anyone will be interested in "collecting" a few cents they wouldn't bother to pick up on the street if they were lying on the floor? I didn't think so. Regular people -as opposed to stupid loser nutcases- are quite busy doing something called LIVING to waste their valuable time on something only jerkoffs engage on.
829  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: April 09, 2015, 11:44:55 PM
I don't know about you guys, but I'm buying this shit. VIA at this price is a bargain.
Me too!

Yes me too, at the current price you can hardly go wrong with it.
I bought a lot of Via when it was still sitting at 30k, so this is really a bargain.
And when it unexpectedly fails I'm not going to be bankrupt either.

Win-win all the way.

By any definition. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, you hear?

Still bearish man?

Any reason at all not to be?
830  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: April 08, 2015, 08:10:53 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I'm buying this shit. VIA at this price is a bargain.
Me too!

Yes me too, at the current price you can hardly go wrong with it.
I bought a lot of Via when it was still sitting at 30k, so this is really a bargain.
And when it unexpectedly fails I'm not going to be bankrupt either.

Win-win all the way.

By any definition. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, you hear?
831  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: April 08, 2015, 07:12:48 AM


What auction are you talking about?

The one about the 1.99 million XCH, just above.
832  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: April 08, 2015, 01:26:11 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I'm buying this shit. VIA at this price is a bargain.

There's no such a thing. The "value" of VIA, in significant amounts, is negligible actually in the regular market. Let's see what this "auction" values it at (in amounts around 1 BTC, which is, in no way whatsoever, representative of what you will get in the market if you have to cash in lets shay 20 BTC, whicj would bring the price probably to under 100 sat per 1 VIA...

But one is free to delude himself any which way he wants, of course...
833  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SLR] SolarCoin | PoW to PoS v. 2.0 | Solar Proof of Generation (§1 = 1MWh) on: April 08, 2015, 01:21:16 AM
Ok Nick I'll play your game... tell me how you would work with power and solar companies (or other parties) to rebuild a coin that would work better?

I ask constructively and in all seriousness as we do need to consider all sides when trying to build something like this from the ground up since it is such a new technology.

 

This is simply not true. Neither you nor much less others currently in control of this coin, are open to anything. You guys "know better" you know?

Not for no reasons SLR, which should be the more open, evolving and vanguardist of all cryptos, is in fact a monument to obsoletism, an insignificant dyno of crypto, so to speak.
834  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: March 31, 2015, 07:20:10 PM
As we say on this part of the world, the proof is in the pudding. And you just offered voluntarily. Again: Not smart at all.

But proof of your lack of smarts can be seen, clearly, without margin for doubts, simply by taking a look at the BS that you post everywhere -peculiarly, almost always attached to loser projects-. That you consider yourself a "professional" in crypto is just plain laughable, no matter how lucky, or unlucky you may have been so far. I can guarantee you this: No matter the amount of money you pluck into it, you will end up penniless in due time. That is painfully obvious.

But just judging by your "contributions" to this thread -lets not look around for more confirmation- one can clearly see that you, actually, have no idea of what you are talking about. There's no defense possible, on any ground, of any project (this one, Saffron, any other), unless they are successful in the marketplace. There are simply no other measurements that are relevant: A coin project is either successful -and people make money investing in it- of simply stagnates, first, and then die. One exception -temporary- would be NXT. But next is not a coin project, but a platform, rather. And a very successful one at that. Via is just a coin project doomed by the lack of entrepreneurial talent of its dev, no matter if the tech may be still "usable"? There's tech infinitely superior already implemented, lights years ahead about to be implemented and eons ahead to be fully commercialized in the real world -by the likes of IBM, for instance-, WHICH, AGAIN, PROVES THAT YOU, THE "PROFESSIONAL", KNOWS NOTHING AT ALL WHATSOEVER, NOT EVEN READ THE PAPERS/BLOGS. Get it?

Then again, you make the clumsiest imaginable "defense" of anonymous devs. Not even worth going into it. Just signifying that IN ANY BUSINESS, no exceptions, owner/dev is required, by the laws of every country in the planet, to be not only known but in detail, address and phone numbers included. Oh and yes, when it is a public company (owned by shareholders who trade that ownership in the open market) even their lifestyle is of extraordinary importance and subject to public (voluntary or not) disclosure. Of course, in your twisted and not very sharp mind, all those countries (all of them) are wrong.Their laws are wrong... because you know much better. And in that twisted mind, not only it is ok to give real money to an internet handle but it isn't
admissible to ask questions or criticisms. Much like drak himself, you will never admit to being 100% WRONG, no matter the evidence... which is, again, a clear demonstration of just how smart you both are... Have you known of anyone, regarded as not very smart, that has ever admitted to be WRONG, 100% WONG?

Interesting question, isn't it? Well, for normal people it is of course...

I marked the only real thing that you've said so far. This is what I tried to say many many times. Drak for example is obviously a good coder (and SFR's dev as well... you mentioned the coin), but both mentioned has the same problem. This is where other people should be involved and contribute in some way, but this will not happen with questions about the price.. it will happen with actions.

Now.. I am far from the idea to argue with you. How I am doing in my field is my own problem and it is not subject to discuss. I have always tried to help people and will continue to do it no matter what. You may put quotation marks on every one of the words I've said, but at the end at least I proved that I exist.. you proved (for the 100th time) that you are smartass troll.

GET IT?!



Oh I DO get it indeed. You, on the other hand, remain clueless... and thereby, the problem not only remains, but will remain for the duration.

Identifying the problem is just the first step in a possible way to a solution. A mini step at that.

First, the individual (Drak, in this case), needs to recognize his shortcomings. A smart person would do. A not very smart person will continue to believe he "knows better". GET IT?

Second, that person that recognizes the first step AND his shortcomings, takes advice from people who obviously know better than them, don't asks random anon jerk-offs on a BTCT thread, what to do AND FOLLOWS THE ADVICE. But, again, that would be a smart individual. A not so smart one, will look for an excuse to continue doing what he has done so far, NOTHING, under the umbrella that "he will do whatever is needed IF there's PROOF (or guarantee) of results. A smart person ... well, we are not talking about a smart person, are we? Or persons, for that matter. GET IT?

Finally: You have and continue proving quite a bit of things... believe me, not only me but everyone else reading the thread GETS IT.
835  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: March 31, 2015, 06:07:21 PM
As recently as less than a month ago not only I was here but providing specific advice and actions needed to push this project forward.

But some of the evident facts you CAN'T see -nor will ever- pass by the sad reality that drak is NOT a smart man at all. And neither are you.

What did I told you, Mr. barabbas? That I can prove you are being smartass (and troll), but you can't prove that I'm stupid. I can even call you stupid if you think that I am sitting here 25/7 craving for VIA's success. Now... let me show you something.

1. You can check here who I am. You can find my personal phone number (if you want to call me and talk about your issues) and even my address (if you want me to buy you some vodka and take care about your problems).
2. Cryptoventures LTD. is VAT registered company and it use official domain name extension of Bulgaria were it is located. The company is dealing only with cryptocurrencies. Do you know what that means? It means that I am PROFESSIONAL and not some yada yada troll with 2 GPU's in his basement. That doesn't always mean that I am taking right decisions every time, but it should mean that sometimes I know what I'm talking about.
3. If this is not enough for you (I'm sure you want some more), this is who I am:



Should I explain this one as well? No worries! It means that I am standing here with my name and everything! Now... tell me WHO YOU THE F* ARE YOU AND WHAT IS YOUR CREDIBILITY, EINSTEIN?!






As we say on this part of the world, the proof is in the pudding. And you just offered voluntarily. Again: Not smart at all.

But proof of your lack of smarts can be seen, clearly, without margin for doubts, simply by taking a look at the BS that you post everywhere -peculiarly, almost always attached to loser projects-. That you consider yourself a "professional" in crypto is just plain laughable, no matter how lucky, or unlucky you may have been so far. I can guarantee you this: No matter the amount of money you pluck into it, you will end up penniless in due time. That is painfully obvious.

But just judging by your "contributions" to this thread -lets not look around for more confirmation- one can clearly see that you, actually, have no idea of what you are talking about. There's no defense possible, on any ground, of any project (this one, Saffron, any other), unless they are successful in the marketplace. There are simply no other measurements that are relevant: A coin project is either successful -and people make money investing in it- of simply stagnates, first, and then die. One exception -temporary- would be NXT. But next is not a coin project, but a platform, rather. And a very successful one at that. Via is just a coin project doomed by the lack of entrepreneurial talent of its dev, no matter if the tech may be still "usable"? There's tech infinitely superior already implemented, lights years ahead about to be implemented and eons ahead to be fully commercialized in the real world -by the likes of IBM, for instance-, WHICH, AGAIN, PROVES THAT YOU, THE "PROFESSIONAL", KNOWS NOTHING AT ALL WHATSOEVER, NOT EVEN READ THE PAPERS/BLOGS. Get it?

Then again, you make the clumsiest imaginable "defense" of anonymous devs. Not even worth going into it. Just signifying that IN ANY BUSINESS, no exceptions, owner/dev is required, by the laws of every country in the planet, to be not only known but in detail, address and phone numbers included. Oh and yes, when it is a public company (owned by shareholders who trade that ownership in the open market) even their lifestyle is of extraordinary importance and subject to public (voluntary or not) disclosure. Of course, in your twisted and not very sharp mind, all those countries (all of them) are wrong.Their laws are wrong... because you know much better. And in that twisted mind, not only it is ok to give real money to an internet handle but it isn't
admissible to ask questions or criticisms. Much like drak himself, you will never admit to being 100% WRONG, no matter the evidence... which is, again, a clear demonstration of just how smart you both are... Have you known of anyone, regarded as not very smart, that has ever admitted to be WRONG, 100% WONG?

Interesting question, isn't it? Well, for normal people it is of course...
836  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: March 31, 2015, 04:13:08 PM
People continue to ask same 1-2-3 questions, but IMHO they first need to answer some questions for themselves.

1. Where were you when the price was 71k satoshi? Why didn't you asked questions then?
2. Where were you when Drak asked for suggestions about future of Viacoin wider adoption?

You guys are like broken radio which stuck on one station. Don't you understand that Drak and Todd cannot influence on the price?! They can just work on what they can and when they create something innovative, then people will eventually value it. There are 10s of SHITCOINS, which currently worth more than VIA and do you know why it is? Because of you! When the price is high - it's ok.. no matter if some guys dump it, because some new coin will be launched. It's how the game is played.. I am profiting from shitcoins as well, but ask yourself something. In what exactly way you are protecting coins, which actually matters? Don't you think that eventually there will be no coins to support at all? If you think you can make some difference, and you are VIA holder, why didn't make some actions?

Why do you think Kennedy said: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."? I will answer for you: BECAUSE HE'S STUPID AND YOU ARE SMARTER!

As recently as less than a month ago not only I was here but providing specific advice and actions needed to push this project forward.

But some of the evident facts you CAN'T see -nor will ever- pass by the sad reality that drak is NOT a smart man at all. And neither are you.
837  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ on: March 31, 2015, 04:05:06 AM
And come to thnk of it...  How naive are we?  At Ripple they have a bunch of guys who are good in their respective fields in computer science, finance and government, and yet Ripple is still having difficulty in getting network adoption going.  What more via?

Who are the people behind via besides Peter Todd and Drak?  And what is Drak's real name?

That is all, I believe (I could be wrong but, by now, if there was anyone else, it would have been known I think). Interesting question, who is Drak? Indeed.

At this pointy, quite an anomaly in crypto: A developer of a (pretended) serious project, who remains anonymous. There's absolutely nothing positive, not one thing, in being anonymous in a project based on the trust and confidence of its investors. Nothing positive, for those investors, that is.
838  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SLR] SolarCoin | PoW to PoS v. 2.0 | Solar Proof of Generation (§1 = 1MWh) on: March 31, 2015, 03:04:28 AM
So the promotion, distribution... whatever one may decide to call it, of Solarcoin is a total disaster and no one is actually claiming the solarcoins they are entitled for... and this is a problem if not the major/only problem of this project. In fact, no one knows that if they install a solar system, they are entitled to receive solarcoins. I will go even further: Not even the professionals, know about this. Or Solarcoin as a project altogether. Is this, really, the main/only problem of this project? I would think it is...

Well, here is the EASY solution:

The reason no one knows about Solarcoin is, obviously, because no one cares. Who would even hear they are entitled to some WORTHLESS reward? In many cases it would be considered, first, suspicious (someone is trying to sell me something else...0 and second, an insult (if you are going to give me anything, that it would be at the very least, worth enough to buy a sandwich...). Solution: Offer a REAL REWARD. Who was the inventor of the 1§ per 1 KW? And why such absurd thing remains in place? If we REALLY want to be noticed, to be taken seriously, it is beyond evident that the reward has to be changed, from something halfway between suspicious and an insult, to something that can be considered a reward, even if minimal, but at least with some substance.

I propose that exchange will be hiked to 1 KW = 100 §. And lets see what happens. Since the previous rate has proven an absolute failure by any measure, I'm quite sure that new rate will make a significant departure. The hike also applies, obviously, to the commissions by those who sign people to the program, so it will be really worthwhile to get people to do it.

Yes, I know there are other considerations. I have considered them all. The FINAL result, since the current results are so disastrous, are way positive in ANY AND ALL scenarios.

So, foundation members, get the ball rolling. We are already WAY behind...

I don't see it this way at all. For a 40 year project it's just getting off the ground. More than half of the systems aren't in place yet. When you take a real look at where solar is right now, the grant matches quite well. Once things get worked out: new wallet + staking features, automation process, etc. Solarcoin will take on a life of its own. If you're looking for a quick buck, go somewhere else, you won't find it here.

And thereby precisely lies the problem. Which part of "no one knows about solarcoin in the solar industry" you chose to not understand? Furthermore, which part of the "being insulted by the current non-value of the solarcoin promotion" you choose to ignore. The solar industry, has grown 9-fold in the last 2 years in many places of the planet, with governments doing the heavy lifting and carrying the burden of u[p to 30% and more of the total costs, to PROMOTE adoption and installation, buy they are stupid, right? You, on the other hand, are the fucking genius that believes that this is going to even be around at all -under the present idiotic circumstances- even 2 years from now, right?

Like I said: Thereby lies the problem. And why this project -which was originally a great idea- is a joke, actually.

The value of SLR is bound to grow with increase of claims. That's the project. It's based on economic laws/economic history. Current state is just that - current state - it's matching current predominantly PoW mining/adoption. Then why consider an insult letting the solar industry know about the SLR project and that SLR value is bound to naturally grow with increase of claims?

BTW, I already asked you this: did you already contact the Solarfarm guy to let him know to claim the SolarCoins for the solar farms he works with? If not, I'll go ahead and do it.

STOP SAYING
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The value of SLR is bound to grow with increase of claims.
YOU MAKE NO SENSE!!!

If SLR were BACKED by SOMETHING even that SOMETHING would be depleted when people cash out their CLAIMED SLR!!!

If you have MORE PEOPLE CLAIMING than there are PEOPLE BUYING the price goes down and it is a BUYERS MARKET not a SELLERS!!!

Sure if everyone just keeps buying SLR like it is GASOLINE then the price goes up and up and up. But why do people need to BUY SLR??? To Get RICH? No they only need to SELL SLR since once they CLAIM it they have nothing else to do with it than SELL it!!!

Even if you have a product you could BUY from a merchant with SLR.... GUESS WHAT??? The Merchant has to SELL the SLR they accepted in the transaction!!! So they need to SELL!!!

So you tell me even in 40 years from now who will be BUYING SLR?

I guess you have 40 years to figure this out like I told you many times there is nothing creating a BUY. And even if people do buy they BUY low so the price will plummet and profit takers will be your only buyers. Since the relation of SLR equates to BITCOIN vs FIAT the only thing to happen for merchants makes them relate to BitCoin when they sell products. So when your coin hits the bottom the inflation will be huge, and that merchant will be forced to sell a T-Shirt for 10,000,000 SLR. So your Claimers get a Free T-Shirt and then the Merchant is stuck trying to sell his SLR to no buyers.

Please tell me you understand this now?

You cannot be possibly more right... or explain the current and future situation any clearer. But, of course, we have here a more basic problem to solve, before we even attempt to make any sense of this absurd joke. It's called -and evidenced above-, plain STUPIDITY. And, sadly, it abounds here. These holders of that particular banner, somehow have convinced themselves that this thing is going to distribute itself... even after the PROVEN FACT, after more than a year of going in the wrong direction, with results to back it up, that it will not only NOT happen, now or ever, but that the whole shitty project -they make it so- will be obsolete and will more than provable not reach a second anniversary. In other words, they have "a plan" for 40 years when in all likelyhood, the idea itself will not survive year 2. Go figure.

This project needs, FIRST AND FOREMOST, distribution. And yes, that will probably create a "buyer's market" as you put it. But it is unavoidable. And, as it will turn out, beneficial in the end with the MARKET doing the actual distribution: At some price level, speculators, investors, traders, will come in and set the PROPER VALUE at the time of the coin. If you cannot buy anything with it, obviously, value will be ZERO. But that cannot actually be the case for now you can translate ANY digital currency into fiat via gift cards so it will have SOME value all along and the only TRUE judge of value, the market, will set it.

Now, if by some miracle, the holders of the banners -and other banners too-, are somehow able to give this coin some usage at some point along the way, then what we have is a promising project that NOT ONLY, adequately and EFFICIENTLY, promotes solar power creation but IS ALSO a digital currency that serves a purpose as such.

Quite frankly, with the current captains manning the ship, the chances of this being achieved are slim to none... lets just look, for perspective, to the "achievements" of these 15 months. But they do not need to be manning anything, really, when plenty of way more capable hands are ready and available. Solar energy is 1% now in the world. Without Solarcoin, it will be the MAIN source of energy by 2050. Solarcoin can and should grab a piece of that immense pie... by way of becoming and engine in tha spectacular growth just ahead and already heavily in progress.

This will NOT be achieved, clearly, with the holders of the STUPIDITY banner manning the ship.
839  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SLR] SolarCoin | PoW to PoS v. 2.0 | Solar Proof of Generation (§1 = 1MWh) on: March 31, 2015, 02:22:43 AM
So the promotion, distribution... whatever one may decide to call it, of Solarcoin is a total disaster and no one is actually claiming the solarcoins they are entitled for... and this is a problem if not the major/only problem of this project. In fact, no one knows that if they install a solar system, they are entitled to receive solarcoins. I will go even further: Not even the professionals, know about this. Or Solarcoin as a project altogether. Is this, really, the main/only problem of this project? I would think it is...

Well, here is the EASY solution:

The reason no one knows about Solarcoin is, obviously, because no one cares. Who would even hear they are entitled to some WORTHLESS reward? In many cases it would be considered, first, suspicious (someone is trying to sell me something else...0 and second, an insult (if you are going to give me anything, that it would be at the very least, worth enough to buy a sandwich...). Solution: Offer a REAL REWARD. Who was the inventor of the 1§ per 1 KW? And why such absurd thing remains in place? If we REALLY want to be noticed, to be taken seriously, it is beyond evident that the reward has to be changed, from something halfway between suspicious and an insult, to something that can be considered a reward, even if minimal, but at least with some substance.

I propose that exchange will be hiked to 1 KW = 100 §. And lets see what happens. Since the previous rate has proven an absolute failure by any measure, I'm quite sure that new rate will make a significant departure. The hike also applies, obviously, to the commissions by those who sign people to the program, so it will be really worthwhile to get people to do it.

Yes, I know there are other considerations. I have considered them all. The FINAL result, since the current results are so disastrous, are way positive in ANY AND ALL scenarios.

So, foundation members, get the ball rolling. We are already WAY behind...

I don't see it this way at all. For a 40 year project it's just getting off the ground. More than half of the systems aren't in place yet. When you take a real look at where solar is right now, the grant matches quite well. Once things get worked out: new wallet + staking features, automation process, etc. Solarcoin will take on a life of its own. If you're looking for a quick buck, go somewhere else, you won't find it here.

And thereby precisely lies the problem. Which part of "no one knows about solarcoin in the solar industry" you chose to not understand? Furthermore, which part of the "being insulted by the current non-value of the solarcoin promotion" you choose to ignore. The solar industry, has grown 9-fold in the last 2 years in many places of the planet, with governments doing the heavy lifting and carrying the burden of u[p to 30% and more of the total costs, to PROMOTE adoption and installation, buy they are stupid, right? You, on the other hand, are the fucking genius that believes that this is going to even be around at all -under the present idiotic circumstances- even 2 years from now, right?

Like I said: Thereby lies the problem. And why this project -which was originally a great idea- is a joke, actually.

I disagreed with you before, and I disagree with you now. Go off on a tirade somewhere else.

Why don't YOU go somewhere else disagreeing with reason and OBVIOUS, PROVEN FACTS, ah? Who the fuck do you think you are? There's NO adoption going on. None. It is an insult, to anyone, to even offer them something that not only is currently worthless but is being more WORTHLESS every day. Meaning price is lover every year, every month, every week and every day. These are PROVEN FUCKING FACTS! The opposite of your usual ineffective BS, to be precise.

All I see is blah blah blah, yakkity shmackity.

And all I see from you is plain, blunt, raw stupidity. So?
840  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SLR] SolarCoin | PoW to PoS v. 2.0 | Solar Proof of Generation (§1 = 1MWh) on: March 31, 2015, 02:10:21 AM
So the promotion, distribution... whatever one may decide to call it, of Solarcoin is a total disaster and no one is actually claiming the solarcoins they are entitled for... and this is a problem if not the major/only problem of this project. In fact, no one knows that if they install a solar system, they are entitled to receive solarcoins. I will go even further: Not even the professionals, know about this. Or Solarcoin as a project altogether. Is this, really, the main/only problem of this project? I would think it is...

Well, here is the EASY solution:

The reason no one knows about Solarcoin is, obviously, because no one cares. Who would even hear they are entitled to some WORTHLESS reward? In many cases it would be considered, first, suspicious (someone is trying to sell me something else...0 and second, an insult (if you are going to give me anything, that it would be at the very least, worth enough to buy a sandwich...). Solution: Offer a REAL REWARD. Who was the inventor of the 1§ per 1 KW? And why such absurd thing remains in place? If we REALLY want to be noticed, to be taken seriously, it is beyond evident that the reward has to be changed, from something halfway between suspicious and an insult, to something that can be considered a reward, even if minimal, but at least with some substance.

I propose that exchange will be hiked to 1 KW = 100 §. And lets see what happens. Since the previous rate has proven an absolute failure by any measure, I'm quite sure that new rate will make a significant departure. The hike also applies, obviously, to the commissions by those who sign people to the program, so it will be really worthwhile to get people to do it.

Yes, I know there are other considerations. I have considered them all. The FINAL result, since the current results are so disastrous, are way positive in ANY AND ALL scenarios.

So, foundation members, get the ball rolling. We are already WAY behind...

I don't see it this way at all. For a 40 year project it's just getting off the ground. More than half of the systems aren't in place yet. When you take a real look at where solar is right now, the grant matches quite well. Once things get worked out: new wallet + staking features, automation process, etc. Solarcoin will take on a life of its own. If you're looking for a quick buck, go somewhere else, you won't find it here.

And thereby precisely lies the problem. Which part of "no one knows about solarcoin in the solar industry" you chose to not understand? Furthermore, which part of the "being insulted by the current non-value of the solarcoin promotion" you choose to ignore. The solar industry, has grown 9-fold in the last 2 years in many places of the planet, with governments doing the heavy lifting and carrying the burden of u[p to 30% and more of the total costs, to PROMOTE adoption and installation, buy they are stupid, right? You, on the other hand, are the fucking genius that believes that this is going to even be around at all -under the present idiotic circumstances- even 2 years from now, right?

Like I said: Thereby lies the problem. And why this project -which was originally a great idea- is a joke, actually.

I disagreed with you before, and I disagree with you now. Go off on a tirade somewhere else.

Why don't YOU go somewhere else disagreeing with reason and OBVIOUS, PROVEN FACTS, ah? Who the fuck do you think you are? There's NO adoption going on. None. It is an insult, to anyone, to even offer them something that not only is currently worthless but is being more WORTHLESS every day. Meaning price is lover every year, every month, every week and every day. These are PROVEN FUCKING FACTS! The opposite of your usual ineffective BS, to be precise.
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