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861  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is it ethical to break your gambling rules on: February 28, 2024, 06:57:06 PM
So this led me to ask the general public if I am gambling too much, although this excess didn't affect my finances in any way since I still managed to come out with little winning at the end of the day and at some level, my losses are still below 30 percent of my set out money.
Let me remind you about the purpose of gambling where we all have one goal and that is to win. And we can do anything for this victory. Every day there is no basis for what rules I follow or not if I don't win there. But of course it is better to follow the rules Because we know that gambling with rules reduces the chances of becoming addicted. And considering this aspect I can say that there is no problem in breaking the rules temporarily if it is profitable. Moreover rules is not main motive of gambling. Basically rules are to gamble responsibly.

Yes I understand that and I think we can't hide this from the public eye that all gamblers have the goal of getting a win in gambling, but the difference is that there are some people who are too pushy to get or chase the win and there are also some people who are not too excessive in terms of forcing the win to come, meaning that there are some people who overdo it who end up with addiction while on the other hand some other people remain on a less dangerous approach and they just wait for the win to come by itself with on the other hand prioritizing and focusing on risk management.

Breaking the rules once in a while may not be a big deal as long as you make it clear to yourself that you don't want to get addicted to the same infraction again, because it is possible to do it again and it is even possible that you will get so used to breaking the rules that you have made or the rules that are suggested as a whole. However, applying caution and vigilance is something that should always be applied and owned by all gamblers, because this is what will continue to keep you from some bad possibilities.
862  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Outcomes of insighting gambling for a source of income. on: February 28, 2024, 06:37:11 PM
On the other hand maybe we have often heard about the idea of gambling for fun or more recommended for entertainment and I think this is indeed true and recommended because it is impossible for us to make a place that only has the possibility of making a place that produces, not impossible but too difficult and the probability is probably 0%, and obviously in some cases of addicts they usually end up suffering a lot of losses instead of producing. In fact the impact of gambling will not only cause problems with finances but also with a person's mental and psychological where it is not uncommon for them to end up crazy as a result of not being able to withstand all the pressure from the wrong impact of gambling. So gambling for entertainment purposes when you have free time and without taking anything seriously is certainly the best.
When something is related to luck, then it doesn't make sense when we think of it as a source of income. something that can be said to be a source of income is something that is certain and I don't see that in gambling. It may be true that we can win the game, but it happens only once in a while and that's if we are lucky enough to win the game.

That's the way it has to be, we have to look at gambling from an entertainment point of view, if we look at it from that point of view then it becomes less likely for us to become addicted. Because from what I have seen so far, someone who is addicted to gambling is someone who thinks it is an opportunity for them to earn more money. Which in the end makes them unable to control themselves to continue spending their money on gambling. And in the end we can see them having financial problems that they shouldn't have. So I agree with you that considering gambling as a form of entertainment is a good choice. that way we can manage everything, both in spending money, playing time and so on.

Yes I completely agree with your ideas and statements here that one of the things or reasons that make gambling unreasonable to make as a place to earn is because there is no certainty whatsoever that can guarantee us to actually earn, I'm not saying that you can never win, but for the problem of earning consistently it is clearly never going to be achieved in gambling because after all the name of the betting activity is when you put something for two different results at the end of the session that is between you losing or you get extra (victory). It's all about "chance" and that means there's no way you can get the results you've always wanted in a place that always delivers when you're lucky.

Of course, when we look at gambling from a rational point of view then obviously I think most gamblers would not dare to bring the idea of "earning" in gambling activities, not least because it is too risky and it is clear that what will happen is that you will lose more than earn, in fact such an idea will only make the situation worse, defining gambling as a place to earn will only make you more disappointed when the final result is not what you expected. And obviously this situation will provoke your emotions and this is what makes many people do out of control actions such as putting larger amounts based on desperation and frustration in themselves which ultimately makes the situation much worse. So the bottom line as I said above and you agree about this is that there is no other choice but for you to make and treat gambling as an entertainment activity, looking at something as entertainment will be different from looking at something as a generating activity in terms of doing experiments, because if you consider it as entertainment then you will only come when you are bored.
863  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Rich or poor gambler, who should risk more? on: February 28, 2024, 06:08:08 PM
But for the risk problem I think it's the same whether you are a stremer who is already quite famous or who is still a beginner, because if it turns out that your country is one of the countries that prohibit gambling then obviously there is a possibility for you to eventually be caught and processed legally, because I have seen quite a lot of cases like this in my place where they are caught for trying to promote something that is prohibited. On the other hand, someone who has a relationship with the casino whether they work there or are just partners like the stermer as a promotional agent they will not be too open with other people especially those they do not know.

It looks like OK when we see a streamer play with a huge bankroll and when they lose. But, when we lose a big amount, we cannot take it because we cannot afford to lose that much money. But, we easily get impressed when we see big wins from those streamers. We do not understand that they are fooling us and nothing else. Most of us do not think before we make a deposit.

About illegal stuff, there are always some illegal stuff in every country. We cannot always follow the rules of the goverment. Not only gambling but cryptocurrency is banned here as well. So, what we do is, try to stay anonymous as much as possible.

Yes but I think it is very unlikely for a stremer to experience a loss when they do the broadcast because obviously their goal is to get a lot of interested viewers to then enter the site they are promoting, and that means that if it turns out that they broadcast a loss then obviously there will be no interested viewers to come to play on the site that is promoted. It is clear that when a big loss situation happens to us who are ordinary gamblers, it is difficult for us to accept the situation, this is why we are always advised to always put the amount that we can be responsible for in the sense of putting a small amount according to our abilities. For those who are easily influenced by other people's big wins that ultimately make them do the same thing I think for that there is no problem but on condition that you must be able to accept all the consequences, but that is the problem where most gamblers only want to get a big win but are not ready for the risk of losing.

If we still want to be involved in things that are prohibited by state regulations whether it is gambling, or cryptocurrency or whatever it is, it means that we must be able to accept all the consequences that are very likely to happen and happen to you, basically no matter how good you are at hiding it is still ultimately possible for you to get caught and this is actually a choice.
864  Economy / Gambling / Re: Slot Educational on: February 27, 2024, 08:30:50 PM

This is why it would really be that important that you should really be that sensible on whatever the actions that you are taking. When it comes to slot games or whatever it would be then you would really be having the choice on what are the things that  you would really be dealing with. Speaking into those parades been set out to make out some educational awareness then it wont really be that a bad idea or initiative into those
organizers who had consider out on having this. Some might really be able to learn up about those disadvantages but pretty sure that there would really be those people who would really be that got curious
and instead on avoiding out gambling they would really be rather that tending to get involved with on which this would really be something that cant be stopped.
Controlling finances when gambling or whatever, they have to restrain themselves from overdoing it in gambling or just playing, because that can make someone forget what goal they wanted from the start and in the end they will run out of their money slowly without any delay. As he realized, it all came back to each of them as to how they managed their finances well without having to mix it up with money from gambling.

Yes gambling in moderation and away from the word excessive is always recommended, none other than because having an excessive approach to gambling is too dangerous, I understand that anyone wants to win but if you try to pursue victory at all costs then obviously victory will be further away and in fact the opposite will happen which is where instead of making money but what happens instead you suffer a number of defeats, it is natural because gambling is not a place to earn but only an activity that is recommended to find entertainment when you have free time or are in boredom.

One of the things that can be done is of course as you said is to control yourself as much as possible, simply put if you don't want to lose anything then simply "don't gamble at all" and if you still want to gamble but don't want to experience large losses then obviously the choice is not to gamble with the intention and purpose of "earning", and all of this you will only be able to do when you are able to apply a rational mindset along with maintaining a level of self-awareness.
865  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling for fun and not a way of making money on: February 27, 2024, 08:01:30 PM
In my opinion, it probably depends on the player and their purpose for gambling, whether it's purely for fun or a desire to make money. We know that money is indeed involved in gambling, and when we place a bet, we expect the possibility of winning. However, for those who are aware of the potential outcomes, winning becomes a bonus if their primary goal is simply entertainment. In my view, finding a balance between enjoying the excitement of gambling and maintaining financial responsibility is crucial.
Yeah, each has their own decisions or preferences and we can't do much about it if some wants to play for the profit because number one, many of them are far away from our reach, and number two, we don't know them, and last but not the least is, it was their money, not ours. Money is involved in a real gambling but there is also fake gambling which we can play for free.

Only those who expect to win at all times are the gambler who plays for the profit, and I'm sure both of them already knows that there are two outcomes in gambling and most of the time the result that we can get is a loss. Anyway, is the balance you mean, we are playing gambling for both fun and profit? If it is, then I also like this better and in fact, this is my current playstyle Smiley.

That's right, basically we can't force anyone to follow some ideas or suggestions which even though they basically lead to their own good, sometimes it's very possible for us to care too  much about people who basically don't want to be noticed, right? problem and you've mentioned some pretty reasonable reasons as to why we shouldn't force them too hard to follow something we suggest. Everyone has choices, preferences and freedom in any matter.

Yes, we can find out what a gambler's real goal is from how often they gamble, not only that because we can also find out by looking at how they respond or react when they lose. If they are dominated by emotions due to losing then I think we have can conclude that they gamble with amounts they cannot afford and one of the reasons why they carry large amounts is because they are too focused on the goal of getting a big win, while on the other hand you have also said that the results of gambling are always about two things, namely between winning and losing. The problem is that no one will ever know whether they will win or lose again at the end of the session because there is no certainty that can guarantee them in terms of results. So what is recommended is to treat gambling as a place to fill free time by getting pleasure from the sensations we get, but if it turns out that at the end of  the session you win then it is a good decision to prefer to cash out, this is a healthy approach.
866  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What are some things you should always avoid while gambling ? on: February 27, 2024, 07:38:47 PM
1. Never think you will able to beat the casino by using superstitions, praying in a crunch, play skill based games, and other so called strategy.

2. Don't blame the casinos when you're not win.

3. Don't get drunk or drugs because this will make you gamble too much and there's also a risk someone will fuck you. Tongue

Exactly, as you said that never think of being able to beat the casino because after all the casino has the upper hand in the sense that it can never be defeated because they are the ones who make and organize all kinds of games provided, so it is a ridiculous idea or idea if a gambler comes with the aim of earning or even making gambling a place to earn, never and what happens instead they will suffer a lot of things as a result.

One of the things that can make gamblers able to follow some of the advice you mentioned above is when they are able to treat and address gambling rationally in the sense of assessing it logically, because with this, they will be able to understand what gambling is really about and will not be misguided in terms of choosing an approach. I see in some cases that most gamblers misunderstand what is meant by the chances of winning, they think that winning is easy to get, when in fact it is the opposite, I would say that winning will be easy if you are really lucky, nothing more than that, so avoid the idea of earning in gambling, because in fact gambling is just a place to fill time without putting any seriousness and hope.
867  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does casino streamers have influence in your gambling life? on: February 27, 2024, 07:00:39 PM
I came across on YouTube where a gambling casino social influencer was streaming about a casinos platform.
He literally brought out his phone and was illustrating to the audiences that it is just few steps to take the winning on your games which is making choice of your predictions, choose amount to bet and also indicate his hashtag referral code and click on confirm.
Immediately you get credited directly to your account that just you won.
I just smiled but I want to ask, how many of you guys develops interests on a particular casino platform due to the influence of the casinos streamers?

I know most of those streamers get paid by casinos to gamble on their sites. I think of course they have been given privileges by the casino so they can attract the attention of other people to join. So I won't be influenced by a streamer at all. I have some of my favorite gambling streamers but I only watch them for fun and to see their wins. To be honest, I prefer sports betting and most gambling streamers play slot gambling. So it didn't have any effect on me at all.

Yes, the stremers have a behind-the-scenes deal with the casino and they are paid to carry out the tasks given by the casino, namely promoting the casino site by doing streming or gambling impressions on the site that they want to promote. I think there are already quite a lot of people who are affected and who are victims of these stremers' impressions and especially those young people who spend more of their leisure time playing the internet, especially on some social media which is where most stremers do their actions.

Everything they do and what they show looks very tempting and everyone is hard to ignore not to see the big wins that are very easily obtained by the stremers who play. If you are a gambler, you should be suspicious of them when doing such shows, especially seeing the ease with which the players can get big wins, and if you are rational, you should be able to get the point or think that everything that is shown is "impossible" because you have felt how difficult it is to get even a small win. But it is unfortunate that the victims are people who never know or have never been involved with gambling, who without thinking they immediately try to enter the site that is promoted in the hope of getting the same victory as the stremer, but they will soon find the fact that the session ends with a loss and does not match expectations, because the ease of the stremer in winning is because the casino has arranged everything behind the scenes with the aim that many people are tempted. In the event that you're looking for the best online casino, you've come to the right place, and you're in the right place.
868  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is it ethical to break your gambling rules on: February 27, 2024, 06:40:17 PM
I just hope that you can go back to the right path or to the gambling arrangement that you made at the beginning where you can't gamble for two weeks in a row, because I see in your case it seems that you are starting to be in a situation of increasing interest in some of the gambling activities that you do and it is dangerous because this is a situation where it will be increasingly difficult for a person to escape or ignore any time not to gamble at all, or you can say that you are very likely to end up with an addiction.

On the other hand I understand that you are not experiencing any problems with your finances, but believe me over time I am sure that you will end up with a lot of financial problems, I am not wishing you bad luck, but for sure and my advice and maybe the advice of everyone is that we hope that you will immediately get back on the sidelines, return to your original gambling management arrangements that you have made before, because if left unchecked then the possibility of addiction will be even greater, fortunately you can be aware of this, we just hope and all that is up to you, because after all prevention is better than cure.
869  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you feel excited while gambling on: February 27, 2024, 05:57:26 PM
During gambling we can adopt some small methods if we want. For example, when we lose excessively in the gambling game, we will stop gambling for a while.  Never gamble with money never spend extra time gambling. I have lost a lot of money for gambling because of small mistakes so we can't make any mistakes while gambling. If we can control ourselves and gamble then we can be successful.
Any gambler will try to avoid making mistakes, I believe most gamblers already not make any mistakes, but the reality they're still not successful (making money). So it's because of luck, not because they're not making mistakes.

Predicting a wrong team/player isn't a mistake, no ones know which one will win and which one will lose.

Yes, that's for sure, and one of the reasons is because  they don't want to end up losing like before when they made a  mistake, haha yes that makes sense, friend, that actually all gamblers don't make any mistakes and I agree with that Cheesy. That's true and is a the fact that all gamblers never make any mistakes  that lead to failure to win, but the fact is that "mistakes are only something that can be learned from" while gambling? NO.

I think most of us  should agree with this idea that gambling is an activity that cannot be studied to find the truth that leads to getting "results", because logically it is not gambling if this can be learned and also of course if there are people who succeed study it then it is clear that the casino will soon go bankrupt and the casino has been thinking about something like this for a long time. The point is, whatever it is, it is not the gambler's fault, but what is certain is that you  are far from lucky and end up losing. Remember that casinos  only provide "chances" or "probabilities" and everything in gambling cannot be learned, this is why there are winners and there are losers.
870  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What's your view on this? Is it fun or addiction? on: February 27, 2024, 05:20:46 PM
Yes, I agree with that, but unfortunately most gamblers misunderstand when they first arrive, they misunderstand what gambling really is, especially in terms of winning opportunities, most of them believe too much and  believe too much in what is meant by "opportunities" so that in the end they put high hopes and  expectations to get big wins or even they put hopes and beliefs that gambling can change their financial fortunes for the better, when in fact there is absolutely no certainty in the idea of "opportunities" to actually make it a reality, so this makes it difficult for them to be responsible gamblers.

Yes I understand that gambling is so tantalizing, like it's really nothing more than a temptation, after all the house always has the upper hand or meaning the win is really just for the casino and the casino hides behind the word "odds" as the point that people will be easily tempted to do things that are actually beyond their ability. One of the problems is that because they don't bring caution and suspicion at the beginning of their involvement, they can't identify "what's behind the odds" or "does gambling have risks", because obviously by having the right understanding and  correct as suggested then I think they  will not act carelessly, in the sense that they will prioritize risk  management rather than putting their hopes in a place that  has no certainty.
A human thing? We're born to dream and believe in the impossible. However, gambling is about deception, not simply dreams. Casino gamblers come with hopes and dreams, but they need a reality check. They speak of opportunity, but they ignore logic. This is about probability, not possibility. Probabilities? They're never good for them. Understand human nature, not simply the odds. We all want a quick fix, financial success. But betting? Fast track to ruin

They should question, confront, and think. What's at stake? Gambling leads to hopelessness and ruined dreams, not prosperity. Better off if they discover that soon. It's logic, not luck. The house always wins, reasoning dictates

The answer is, it is very wrong if you put or bring hopes or expectations or dreams to a place that basically has absolutely no certainty to actually realize the dream, because gambling or casinos only provide "possibilities" and not "certainties" for anyone involved, and that means that the possibility of losing can never be completely avoided when you run a session. We cannot or should not be someone who is too "prejudiced" in a place that is actually full of "logic", we must understand well about what is meant by gambling activities where there will always be winning and losing situations, not only for you but all gamblers involved will experience and feel it.

What is a pity is that when a gambler comes without caution and suspicion towards gambling, most of them only see it in terms of profits and have absolutely no suspicion about what is actually behind this gambling activity, and of course this means the point of view and a rational mindset should not be ignored and must be in mind when you encounter new things that look tempting, the fact is that there are no free meals, life is hard and casinos will not be so stupid as to give free winnings to gamblers and This means that there is a certain purpose for the casino behind the gambling activities provided.
871  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Outcomes of insighting gambling for a source of income. on: February 27, 2024, 04:55:16 PM
Something that is based on pressure always leads to a much worse result than expected, one of which is when you try to achieve recovery, I'm not saying that you won't be able to get a big win on the way to implementing greed but what is certain is that being in a very lucky situation will not be that easy, meaning that it is possible for you to end up suffering a greater amount of losses, as you said that gambling is an activity that can not be predicted at any time, but it is natural because it is a gamble where someone puts a certain amount of money for an unknown outcome, they only have chances and not certainty, meaning that victory is nothing more than a "possibility" that is not based on any certainty and guarantee. However, gambling as an alternative to solving financial problems is a very wrong action and decision, you cannot possibly realize or get something from a place that does not have any certainty, everything you expect will only be able to happen by "chance" in gambling.
On the time that you do touch up gambling then you should really bare in mind that when it comes to risk then gambling have the highest risks among all.
Outcomes will always be that negative and this is something that you should put up to yourself that it doesnt fit out if we do speak about gambling thing.
Play for leisure and entertainment and not for money making because it will destroy you specially on the time that you are already getting addicted to it or on the time that you are already chasing
loses on which this is something always the case for most gamblers.

Play for fun and not for income because if you do push up this idea into your mind then it will really be just that making you desperate which it isnt something right.
Sooner or later you would be able to realize about the reality of gambling but dont come into a point that you are losing that much already.

It's true that however gambling is a risky activity and also can never be separated from the name of the possibility of risk because it is not a gamble if there is basically no risk involved in it. And it is because of this risk that makes us always advised to put full caution on gambling activities, because what is feared is when you lose consciousness or in the sense that emotions dominate yourself due to defeat which in the end you even lose a larger amount.

On the other hand maybe we have often heard about the idea of gambling for fun or more recommended for entertainment and I think this is indeed true and recommended because it is impossible for us to make a place that only has the possibility of making a place that produces, not impossible but too difficult and the probability is probably 0%, and obviously in some cases of addicts they usually end up suffering a lot of losses instead of producing. In fact the impact of gambling will not only cause problems with finances but also with a person's mental and psychological where it is not uncommon for them to end up crazy as a result of not being able to withstand all the pressure from the wrong impact of gambling. So gambling for entertainment purposes when you have free time and without taking anything seriously is certainly the best.
872  Other / Off-topic / Re: Having a regular/steady income is important as a gambler. on: February 27, 2024, 04:16:44 PM

The way I see it is a little bit different here, fine, gambling can be better for those who are gainfully employed, after all, they will have more money to gamble and perhaps the instances of their losses will not affect them so much compared to those who are just struggling financially and still gambling to lose. But one thing I will not so much agree with is the fact that being gainfully employed will stop you from gambling more or wagering higher. What I see here is greed, nothing else, and it is until you curb or control it, you will never be healed of it, not even if you have more money, it will only push you to risk more. To think it my way, look around you, you would discover that many people are gainfully employed but still gamble more, while some are not so financially buoyant, yet they limit their gambling activity because they are contented and are wise with it. This shows that anything about gambling is not rigid for all persons, it's about individuals in this context.

The point is that gambling is more recommended for those who do have a job that produces in the real world, none other than because by having an income, the defeat of gambling will not make you experience too much trouble, because by having an income, at least you still have a number of budgets from your monthly salary to make ends meet. In the sense that gamblers who do not have a job or are unemployed are not really recommended to gamble because they do not have the income to finance their gambling activities and the fear is that it is very possible for them to take out a lot of loans or even commit crimes just to gamble.
I've already captured most of your points in my post and I must say that you have a point in some sense of this, but when it comes the sense of the context in which I replied to, I strongly believe that greed is still the highest factor to consider here, and not about being employed or not. As I said, being employed will only make more money available to you to gamble with, which invariably means you can also waste more money in the process. So, being employed doesn't make you automatically disciplined or a better planner when it comes to gambling. Your point can only prove well in the area of extra backup cash, which if not carefully utilized, will only amount to more financial ruins. Also, gambling is for everybody, the only distinction is that we should be responsible in it. Those who have more may gamble more and those who have less may gamble less. All that matters is for us to consider our finances and gamble cautiously and proportionately without intimidation or fear. We may gamble with money that will not pain us, and even an employed person may still be able to part ways with a few bucks for gambling. But such should not just go beyond that.

Wait a minute, so you believe that because someone is not employed, such could be tempted to take a loan to gamble? Do you think that is as easy as that? What collateral would such use, and even if he was lucky to get the loan through some cheap loaners with a higher interest rate, would such be able to pay back in most cases? Such does not have a job, so with time, the process would hook and there would not be any means for him to borrow money again. It is discouraging to take a loan by this set of people. And do you think the employed gambler is exonerated from this as well? I don't agree with that, they can also take loans if they exhaust the money they have. We should just pray we are not addicted to gambling, a lot are betting in advance of their salaries and the fact that they are employed often motivates them since they have the means to easily pay it back.

For this, I do not see the "thin line" you were trying to draw regarding the loan between the employed and jobless gamblers. All I see is individuality and how engrossed/addicted people (employed/unemployed) are to gambling. If either of them can't be disciplined enough to control themselves, the story will always be bad due to emotion that entails greed, fear, anxiety, curiosity, depression and even worse.

Yes buddy I understand what you mean here and regarding my statement  above I was just saying in simple terms which is more likely to lead to the difference between someone who has a job and some people who are unemployed when both are involved in gambling activities, but I understand what exactly you mean that it is not about the situation of whether they are working or not but rather something that is in a person such as greed and emotions. which is simply that even if you have a good income or even you are one of the rich people you can still end up poor or bankrupt when you cannot treat gambling activities properly in the sense that as you said, which is simply that even if you have a pretty good income or even if you are one of the rich people you can still end up in poverty or bankruptcy when you can't treat gambling activities properly in the sense that as you said that when they have good finances along with having the wrong approach  to gambling then obviously the chances are that their income from work will only be allocated to their gambling activities in the sense that they have the possibility of experiencing much greater losses.

So the point is not whether you are employed or not but whether or not you are responsible or have the recommended approach in your gambling activities, I agree and understand with this statement. On the other hand about what I said above about unemployed people getting involved in loans, I'm just saying that it's "likely" that eventually they will take out loans to fulfill or finance their gambling activities, and I'm not saying that it's "certain" to happen, because there may still be people who are able to control themselves, and I'm referring to those who are irresponsible or who are unable to control their gambling activities such as addicts.  It's clear that in some cases addicted people use "borrowing" or even "stealing" as an alternative to finance their gambling activities, and I understand that with the situation of not having a job it will make it difficult for them to take out loans at some services and it makes it difficult for them to take out loans because there is no guarantee of anything that can be trusted by the service, I understand this but I think this is going too far and usually they just try to borrow from people around them by saying something that can make others trust enough, but isn't this also a loan that can make the situation worse by getting into debt? because they basically don't have the income to be able to pay it back.

So what this means is that the situation of the unemployed can be more chronic than that of the employed when it comes to the pressure they feel about not being able to make ends meet, I think you should understand  what I mean in this context, for the issue of loans I am not saying that loans are only for unemployed people, because after all this is an alternative that can help someone in an emergency situation and not just in terms of gambling, but gamblers who have the wrong approach to gambling always try to take advantage of the  situation and use loans as an intermediary to finance their bad habits. Okay let's put aside the context of "working or not" because the point is  whether you can treat gambling with the recommended approach or not, because no matter how rich you are if you have the wrong approach then you can end up being a beggar.
873  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Rich or poor gambler, who should risk more? on: February 27, 2024, 03:32:19 PM
But most of the stremers have an agreement with the casino on paper, usually the stremers will get paid outside of the income from the affiliates they get from some players who sign up, or what I mean is that they get a separate payment outside of the affiliate percentage they get so there are two income that the stremers will get on the agreement with the casino, namely a separate payment and income from the affiliate percentage.

If you say most of the streamers, then it's a correct statement. I know some streamers who have only a few hundred to a thousand followers, they usually get affiliate commissions only. They do not get any special deals most of them are happy with that. Because they are getting affiliate commissions and the fund for gambling on the website. Sometimes they get some real money to send tips to their users and do giveaways during their stream. If you check Kick regularly, you will notice these things. If you know some streamers and they work with casinos, you may ask them. But, I don't think they will share this if they are not too close with you.

Yes because there is no way stremers would want to do such promotions if there is basically nothing lucrative for them and obviously the answer is that there is lucrative money behind the agreement they agreed to. On the other hand I honestly don't know about the amount they get from such agreements but as you said earlier that it seems to be true that stremers or influencers who have a lot of followers then they will have a larger amount of pay, and vice versa if there are few followers as you said here which is under a thousand then yes I seem to agree that there is no special offer from the casino for them other than earning income through affiliation only.

But for the risk problem I think it's the same whether you are a stremer who is already quite famous or who is still a beginner, because if it turns out that your country is one of the countries that prohibit gambling then obviously there is a possibility for you to eventually be caught and processed legally, because I have seen quite a lot of cases like this in my place where they are caught for trying to promote something that is prohibited. On the other hand, someone who has a relationship with the casino whether they work there or are just partners like the stermer as a promotional agent they will not be too open with other people especially those they do not know.
874  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Have you won a bet with your last cash? on: February 26, 2024, 02:05:10 AM
People do talk about winning bet with their last cash but I haven't experience it before. Most times this type of winning most make people get committed back to sport betting after being tired of it after a lot of loses.

Same here! If that will happen to me, for sure I will not risk my last money for that bet because I don't know if I'm going to win or not and nobody knows as well. Whenever I have my last penny, I do keep them to myself and I always secure the last money that I have so that I can't be zero balance in the end.

The object of the bet is your last money which is a fact that people will put great hopes on that money, or in other words they put hopes to win so that their last money can increase, and however this is a wrong and careless act because the casino never sees or assesses whether the money bet is your last money or not, still in the end whoever bets his money on gambling then obviously he will have two possibilities at the end of the session, namely between winning or losing.

On the other hand I am not saying that you will completely lose because everyone has their own luck to be able to get a win, but isn't luck always an unknown thing? of course, and when you bet using the last money along with the expectation of winning then wouldn't if you lose you feel upset or even frustrated? I think this is a possible situation when it turns out that the final result is not what you expected. On the other hand, even if you win with the last money, it is possible that someday you will try again to gamble with the last money because of the belief and belief that the last money can make you win, and I say that when you win with that money, it means that you are lucky and nothing more than that, and obviously what is recommended is as you said which is better to save the last money for life.
875  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can Gambling affect your relationship? on: February 26, 2024, 01:32:09 AM
Gambling addiction has indeed puts strain on relationships by causing financial problems, emotional distress, and social isolation. While gambling can be fun, becoming addicted can have serious effects,  like having financial problems and communication breakdown. To deal with the reasons of addictions and fix relationship, getting help is very important.
If a person is completely addicted to gambling, it is better not to be in a relationship with him. I try to stay away from people who are addicted to gambling because I know that gambling is an addiction that will destroy the life of the person who gets addicted. Gambling is ours.  Should be taken as entertainment If we want to take it outside of entertainment then our life will be ruined. The less time gambling can be played, the more we can stay away from gambling addiction.

It's a decision to be made as the right preventive solution if you really don't want to fall into or get carried away with gambling activities carried out by other people or even your friends. We must be able to see from various sides about gambling, especially from the negative side or the bad risks that exist in this activity, however, prevention is always the best than cure because honestly I am not sure that you can recover or be able to get out of gambling activities when you are too late and get carried away, because as we know that it is very difficult for anyone to forget or ignore something that looks tempting in gambling when they are already involved in this activity and this is what makes it difficult for someone to get out or stay away from gambling.

In some cases, most of the people who end up addicted are those who at the beginning of their involvement are too focused on the "chance of multiplying", this is the wrong belief and trust in a place that has no certainty whatsoever, which will actually happen the opposite, which is where you will lose a lot of money instead of earning and this happens slowly and unnoticed by many gamblers, They will only realize that they are having financial problems lately, and of course the point is as you said that however gambling is more recommended to only be used as a place of entertainment by always applying caution, you will only be able to take some of the recommended actions when you know about how bad the addiction situation is.
876  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you have a "gambling problem" which you can sometimes control for years? on: February 26, 2024, 01:08:43 AM
That's the question on the thread, that there are gamblers that can quit for a moment but then will still come back when they have to.

Trust me, if these gamblers are going to break the cycle they just can't. And that's because they have the urge to gamble still, no matter how long the break has been.

Awareness is there but, it's more accepting to them just go on and deal with the consequences later on.

Most people who claim to have stopped gambling or taken a break are just statements maybe because they don`t have the funds to fuel the gambling urge at that time and so pretend as though they have stopped. I have a friend who only takes a break from gambling when he is broke but as soon as he is paid you will see him funding his account and placing games.

Yes more precisely it is a nonsense, I also chose a friend like that where he only said that he would quit, at first I was quite confident but it turned out that all of that was nothing more than just nonsense. Usually such people will say that they want to quit gambling after they have lost, maybe that statement is a form of frustration that they experience due to not being able to accept their losses or such situations can also occur when the case is like what you said where they really run out of all their money, but you will see that when they get money from wherever it is especially from their monthly salary at work then you will see that they share some of their money to gamble and even with the intention of returning something that has been lost.

This is what is called "talk is easier than action", I understand that quitting gambling is not that easy even when you really have strong intentions and determination, and maybe I would call them hypocrites if at first they say they want to quit but the next time I see them sitting at the gambling table again.
877  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What's your view on this? Is it fun or addiction? on: February 26, 2024, 12:44:31 AM
When the right advice is so well-known and yet there are many people that fail to follow it, this is a clear indication that taking the wrong path is simply too tempting to most people, gambling is really fun, that is undeniable, however the consequences of losing a lot of money are not fun at all, it is because of this many of us despite the enjoyment we may get out of gambling do what we can to avoid becoming addicted to it, as getting over an addiction is incredibly difficult.
You wont really be able to experience those things if you do really just that make yourself that responsible on which this is something that you would really be needing up on the time that you do hover yourself into gambling field. When doing up something like betting with your colleagues or co workers then it isnt really that bad to consider on having those kind of betting on which this doesnt really mean about being addicted to it or something that could compromise your money or budget. It would really be just that depending into someones actions on why they do mess up their lives with gambling. If you do find yourself
having that financial effect or you are out of your budget then it would really be safe to say that you are really that overdoing it and this is something that must be avoided.

Yes, I agree with that, but unfortunately most gamblers misunderstand when they first arrive, they misunderstand what gambling really is, especially in terms of winning opportunities, most of them believe too much and  believe too much in what is meant by "opportunities" so that in the end they put high hopes and  expectations to get big wins or even they put hopes and beliefs that gambling can change their financial fortunes for the better, when in fact there is absolutely no certainty in the idea of "opportunities" to actually make it a reality, so this makes it difficult for them to be responsible gamblers.

Yes I understand that gambling is so tantalizing, like it's really nothing more than a temptation, after all the house always has the upper hand or meaning the win is really just for the casino and the casino hides behind the word "odds" as the point that people will be easily tempted to do things that are actually beyond their ability. One of the problems is that because they don't bring caution and suspicion at the beginning of their involvement, they can't identify "what's behind the odds" or "does gambling have risks", because obviously by having the right understanding and  correct as suggested then I think they  will not act carelessly, in the sense that they will prioritize risk  management rather than putting their hopes in a place that  has no certainty.
878  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A gambler takes his own life after a loss. on: February 26, 2024, 12:13:24 AM
maybe in some developed countries $3K is not that much and is very easy to get, but if you are in a developing country $3k worth of money is very valuable and it is even very difficult to get it even if you have worked for years, but that guy seemed to have lost his mind so he took his life

I really blame him not for using that huge amount of money but for using a money he can't avoid to lose. Some people bet with money more than that and they move on with life if the game loses. Such people bet with such money because they can avoid it. Imitating people in gambling is wrong because you never know the actual income of the person you are imitating. He's may gamble with $3 but make that $3k just be 5% of his month earnings. While you with the same $3k as your monthly earnings they imitate such person in gambling. You will end up regretting. I just observed recently that it isn't only greediness that make people bet beyond their earnings but also imitation of friends or neighbor as well.

Yes, but it was basically the amount of money that made him end up making the stupid decision of ending his life just because he lost on his own decision. And yes, the main point is that gambling with an amount that you cannot afford to lose is a reckless decision, this can make you end up becoming an impulsive gambler in the sense of doing things out of control because you are unable to hold back your emotions due to the defeat experienced.

Everyone has their own capacity or ability in terms of financial strength, simply put the amount of $1000 is a very large amount for someone who has medium or even poor finances but that amount is an amount that does not really matter to lose if they are basically a rich person or who has good finances in their life, and as you said that it is a wrong decision if you imitate the amount of budget allocated by the rich just because you want to get a large number of wins like the rich get. On the other hand, you have mentioned some scenarios that can make a person go above and beyond their means such as greed and copying the big bets made by others who basically have no idea about the income of the person they are copying and I agree with that.
879  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Outcomes of insighting gambling for a source of income. on: February 25, 2024, 05:53:32 PM
So I caught my friend up having gambling as a source of making incomes.
Few days ago, I went to my friends place and met him with a strange face to me, so sudden their language changed in a way I wouldn't understand. The both were talking about hustles which the other guy ask my friend that Are you not running the other hustle anymore"? So my friend replied"I do but I have lost a lot this time just after I made my last cashout" which he analysed different values and occasions he had won. The other guy told him not to stop trying that it is sometimes like that and so is the nature of the business.
I knew they were up to gambling discussion but they never wanted me to know about it.
I never see gambling as a bad activity unless you gives yourself up to it in controlling your emotions. So I think these two guys knew they were at the wrong side of it that is why they never wanted me to know they were into gambling.
Just in, he is on medical attention after he slumped as a result of loosing a borrowed fund meant for a business re-startup after the gamble made him squandered his previous business.
At his regained to a normal state of health, he explained that he thought he would be lucky to win at the stake so as he could expand his intended business with a bigger capital.
At a point I don't see any business oriented ideal in this Friend because $1,000 ls good enough for a start of lucrative businesses.
It seems like your friend made a poor choice since if he keeps losing money, it could seriously put him in danger of becoming bankrupt.  To put it another way, I believe that depending solely on gambling for income can cause serious psychological distress due to the unpredictable nature of the games and the intense pressure to win, which can drive us insane and cause us to focus only on the money we stake. In the event that your friend is desperate to make up for his losses, for example, this could push him toward obsessive gambling behavior. Even worse, if he has debts to someone, would you lend him money if he did? Without you knowing that he put gambling as his hustle or sideline source of income.

Something that is based on pressure always leads to a much worse result than expected, one of which is when you try to achieve recovery, I'm not saying that you won't be able to get a big win on the way to implementing greed but what is certain is that being in a very lucky situation will not be that easy, meaning that it is possible for you to end up suffering a greater amount of losses, as you said that gambling is an activity that can not be predicted at any time, but it is natural because it is a gamble where someone puts a certain amount of money for an unknown outcome, they only have chances and not certainty, meaning that victory is nothing more than a "possibility" that is not based on any certainty and guarantee. However, gambling as an alternative to solving financial problems is a very wrong action and decision, you cannot possibly realize or get something from a place that does not have any certainty, everything you expect will only be able to happen by "chance" in gambling.
880  Other / Off-topic / Re: Having a regular/steady income is important as a gambler. on: February 25, 2024, 05:30:28 PM

When I first started gambling I won gambling for several days then I thought I would earn a small amount of money from gambling every day. After several days I made some money like this and suddenly one day I lost all the money due to excessive greed.  I understand that gambling should not be overloaded and that gambling should not be taken as a profession. Gambling is fine for those who can take gambling as entertainment and those who gamble for money should stay away from gambling.
The way I see it is a little bit different here, fine, gambling can be better for those who are gainfully employed, after all, they will have more money to gamble and perhaps the instances of their losses will not affect them so much compared to those who are just struggling financially and still gambling to lose. But one thing I will not so much agree with is the fact that being gainfully employed will stop you from gambling more or wagering higher. What I see here is greed, nothing else, and it is until you curb or control it, you will never be healed of it, not even if you have more money, it will only push you to risk more. To think it my way, look around you, you would discover that many people are gainfully employed but still gamble more, while some are not so financially buoyant, yet they limit their gambling activity because they are contented and are wise with it. This shows that anything about gambling is not rigid for all persons, it's about individuals in this context.

The point is that gambling is more recommended for those who do have a job that produces in the real world, none other than because by having an income, the defeat of gambling will not make you experience too much trouble, because by having an income, at least you still have a number of budgets from your monthly salary to make ends meet. In the sense that gamblers who do not have a job or are unemployed are not really recommended to gamble because they do not have the income to finance their gambling activities and the fear is that it is very possible for them to take out a lot of loans or even commit crimes just to gamble.

But on the other hand yes I understand what you mean that having a job is not always a favorable situation, because however gambling can make you lose more money when you treat gambling in the wrong way or approach, simply put whoever you are rich or poor you still have the possibility to end up poor when treating gambling in the wrong way, it will be very likely to happen when you are not able to control yourself. The point is that whoever you are, whether you are rich, middle class, or even poor, in the end, applying all limits and self-control must always be applied to your gambling activities.
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