(...somehow the system bolds the "No" option, no clue why or how...) Trump Admin Deies Minneapolis $500m Riot Damage Bailout Request https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/07/trump-admin-denies-500m-tax-payer-bail-out-after-minnesota-failed-to-stop-rioting/#commentsTruYour opinion? As usual, the comments are priceless! "How stupid can the Minnesota Governor be to think that we the American Taxpayers would be made to pay for the damaged cause by BLM and the so called Peaceful Protesters. Isn’t it his state that gave us Omar and Al Frankenstein? Just another Blue state governor who can’t think for himself. What a joke he and his state have become! Does he also want the American Taxpayer to pay for the High End Funeral they gave to George Floyd’s?"
"These democrat mayors tell the police to stand down, let the mayhem ravage their cities and then expect others to pay for the damages and repairs that their own support of the mob caused in the first place. Not no, but hell no!"
"Don’t forget their muslim Attorney General Ellington who refuses to charge the rioters, looters, and terrorists who were allowed to cause this damage."
"You chumps in Minneapolis voted your city government in. You broke it, you own it. Why should I contribute one thin tax dime to the clusterfark you created. I’ve got the damage from my own set of clowns here in California to pay for."
"If they voted Dem, are they really innocent? If the Dems are voted out in November, perhaps help the small businesses in some way. If the Dems remain in control and there is no policing in Mpls, then any help would be throwing away good money.
The city and state government is is displaying stunning incompetence so far. One would think Minnesota is being run by the same people who ran the Iowa Caucus fiasco. Oh,…wait…
One would only reopen a business in the city if one could use other people’s money."
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It takes a certain amount of chutzpah to stand by idly and let the city burn, then turn around and ask for taxpayer $$$ to clean up your $#!+.
You made your burned-out bed, Minneapolis – now lie in it."
"Good. And as a New Yorker I hope NY doesn’t get a penny either."
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read it
to not overwhelm hospitals. best case scenario is 140 weeks of 1% a fortnight spread. controlled by social distancing and people using common sense to not dry hump everyone they see, moshpit gather.spit on faces
if people want it in less time than 140 to get to 70% herd immunity. by reducing the viral load each person gets by actually using the common sense of social distancing. they might have a 5-8% of infected needing hospital
by not caring about social distancing more then 10% may need hospital because they are inhaling more viral load to battle
so
lets say people do take personal space serious. then we can have 2% a fortnight spread due to only 5% of those infected needing hospital (%5 of 2%=0.1% fortnight hospital need) and its at 70% spread in 70 weeks from the start.
if they continue to want to moshpit gather at protests. then expect longer then 140 weeks for 70% herd immunity because restrictions would be tightened to bring it below 1% a fortnight spread
few weeks of over 0.1% hospital need = restrictions tightened to get it back below that number and keeping the restrictions below for a couple months to get back the buffer.. repeat that a few times and it takes longer to get to 70% herd immunity
get it yet
(pre-empt stupidity
now i mentioned a possibility of 70 weeks instead of 140.. stupid people think they can go to night clubs and moshpit dryhump and spit on faces, do protests and not wear masks or social distance because someone mentioned 70 weeks.. ignoring the explanation about only 70 weeks IF people socially distance to avoid more sick needing hospital.)
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they already looked at area's pre lockdown pre social distance and the hospitalisation rate was 16%-30%
when they looked at places that done socially distancing they seen a 8-12% hospitalisation rate
when the protests happened they seen the rate rise in those area's
and high in area's where people did congretate such as churches and planes and cruiseships had the high near 30% where as those socially distancing had 5-10% severity
EG
diamond princess study
'At the end of observation, 33 (32%) of 104 patients were asymptomatic, 43 (41%) had mild illness, and 28 (27%) had severe disease.'
RE "read it", I read everything you wrote, and here's my response. You're not going to get 70 or 140 weeks, forget that. Get it? Now consider the average person out there listening to all this unscientific FUD from sciencey types and here's their problem. They're being lied to by guys like you that won't spell it out. You could have answered my first post's question about mid- and end-term, but you ducked and dodged. You want 70-140 weeks of this, but you(your group) won't tell them that. You know you'd be rejected, you'd just be told to fuck off. Now this is a simple case of a crew of semi-intellectual wanna-be smart guys, but very limited in one field, thinking they can retain power for years, not months. Get it? I'll be happy to pick apart your math on another day, by the way. Don't think all those who don't agree with you are morons. Some have worked for years in computer modeling. You're going to have to go multi-variate on several dimensions of the problem to get anywhere near realism in your estimates. You're on a crypto forum, DUHHHHH! |
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What you're suggesting is that we should decriminalize criminal negligence based on who the victim is or what they were doing.
Think about that for a bit. Look up the word negligent if you need to. Yes, that is literally the existing criminal and to a lesser extent civil law on negligence. No it's not. If someone dies due to your recklessness, it doesn't matter if they were also being reckless. If the outcome was you dead and they survived, they'd be the one getting charged.\ I'd be okay with a court assigning 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 fault for negligence to each of the parties involved. The two that were struck and the driver. That might be the case if there were civil action. So more victims = less fault. And victims can be charged with manslaughter of themselves. (Doesn't make sense) May I throw out a scenario? Marxist organizer (various invective stream here deleted) tells A, B, C, and D... "Go up and take over that freeway. Stand in the way of any cars that try to get by. Don't worry they'll all stop."I sure would charge this guy. Maybe not 100%. |
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crying about mid game. ignoring mid game. being idiots about mid game wont actually cause end game
the idiots need to really understand the mid game and live in the mid game
actually learn the reality of the position they are in
asking for fairytale endings wont make it happen today. so get into the reality of the current situation
All I've seen from you on this subject is spreading FUD - fear, uncertainty and doubt. "Chicken Little - the sky is falling" Right? Really, nothing you've said about "mid-game" makes logical sense. Try to step back and look at what you yourself wrote. I'm seeing a severe case of "mission creep" in various government policies. Started out, masks are restrictions for the "first wave." Then the emergency beds and hospitals weren't needed. Then the ventilators weren't needed. Then the death rate was an order of magnitude less than forecast. Then the governments seek to continue the policies... Let's take another very simple question. Should the "mid-game" - masks, some business closures and partial closures - continue indefinitely? Yes or no. If not, on what exact criteria should the mid game be terminated? An inability to answer this really is just spreading FUD and is not scientific, let alone rational or good for the population. funny part is i see others spreading fear more. by shouting government imprisoning people and forcing vaccinations and stripping people of assets. your 'indefinetly' question.. thats not a midgame question thats a 'tell me how the story ends..' endgame question it also sounds like a paranoid conspiracy minded question.. my information is to clarify reality. and debunk conspiracy/paranoid peoples myths they listen to on youtube .. look i know you want a fairy tale ending to be told to you so you can believe it is the end game now. but we are still at only 5-10% spread meaning still only the start-midgame i know many want to be told we are at 70%-100% immunity or that things will be normal at 70%-100% so they can pretend its 70-100 now and demand normality now.. but no reality does not work like that i get it if a government guy says a number to aim for in the future. certain people will pretend that number is todays number.. but thats their ignorance of reality. as for possible endgames 1. if there was never any restrictions from the start. then the death count would be higher and the excess temporary emergency beds would have been needed. but in this careless scenario of no restrictions then yea the endgame would have been 26 weeks from the beginning. but with millions of deaths. and overwhelming hospitals. THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE PRESENT 2. but luckily people did take advice to distance themselves, staying home.....the rise again now the restrictions are relaxed/THIS IS A COMMENT ON THE MID-GAME now if you do basic math of knowing that per populous there are 0.2% beds available so knowing those sick enough to need hospital care are usually in hospital for 2 weeks and beds are needed for other illnesses too.. knowing that 10% of people need hospital care for covid so for a safe 0.1% hospital intake of covid patients per fortnight. would be 1% herd spread per fortnight meaning 140 weeks to get to 70% herd immunity.. with it taking longer then that time if restrictions too tight that the spread decreases below 1%. or the restrictions were too loose that it was over 1% but then restrictions would get tightened. its tough to find the right balance. and probably best to expect and prepare for a second wave needing restrictions tightened. .. this is no threat or no scare. its a stop living in fairy land and then exploding when things suddenly change. and instead prepare and be ok with it and know that the spread is slower then expected and so any restriction tightenings can be seen a few weeks before implemented so that you can prepare 3. third endgame scenario is the one that sounds like it is thought up by paranoid weed smoking conspiracy theorists that think its about government control that wants to inprison people in coma's / their homes and take peoples assets by raiding their homes. and force them to have vaccines to win their freedom sorry thats the weed paranoia fairy talking. THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE REALITY ... You still don't get it, so let me help out. END GAME WW2 / ALLIES EUROPE: We take Berlin, then immediately move troops (A) to grab those rocket scientists, all their materials and spare rockets (B) to open up all those concentration camps (C) process all surrendered troops and separate out the war criminals So here an end game is the reversion to NORMALCY. Are you refusing to say when and how that happens? Because if so, everyone can and should reject your opinion as completely ridiculous. |
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Something a lot of you here could benefit from reading.
There sum of them big words there... |
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...Nothing wrong with Rand, I just think he's more of a loyalist to Trump who drops his ideals when Trump says to do so. Nothing can really be done about that though, as Trump has this insane grip on the party.
If Trump does have "this insane grip on the party" he earned it the hard way. I tend to think that's not the case, most in the Repubbles are only loyal to their pocketbook and who enriches it. Rand was always bragging about his mailers and emailers and his techniques. Oh totally not arguing that he didn't earn the amount of influence he has on the power. The guy literally brought on the first HOSTILE TAKEOVER of a political party from the top down. He demands loyalty from those below him, and his supporters (all across the US) demand it as well. That's the reason that Tubverville crushed Sessions in the recent race even though Sessions was a household name in Alabama and Tuberville was able to run for SENATE as his first time in politics.... Interesting perspective. But if Trump brought on the first Hostile Takeover, it was totally with our (the American people)'s encouragement and approval. Both the parties had gotten quite distanced from the people, and although Trump has partially corrected that with the Republicans, the Dems are drifting farther and farther away, with no end in sight. Without denying Trump et al email/spam, the absolute worst abuser spammer of the last two years was Beto O'Rourke. And they've started up again. |
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No, the tweet cannot be attributed to Biden, however the retric of "vote for me and I will give you 'free' stuff" can be. ....
Vote for my socialism and I'll give you double socialism...Certainly is what they would do... |
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crying about mid game. ignoring mid game. being idiots about mid game wont actually cause end game
the idiots need to really understand the mid game and live in the mid game
actually learn the reality of the position they are in
asking for fairytale endings wont make it happen today. so get into the reality of the current situation
All I've seen from you on this subject is spreading FUD - fear, uncertainty and doubt. "Chicken Little - the sky is falling" Right? Really, nothing you've said about "mid-game" makes logical sense. Try to step back and look at what you yourself wrote. I'm seeing a severe case of "mission creep" in various government policies. Started out, masks are restrictions for the "first wave." Then the emergency beds and hospitals weren't needed. Then the ventilators weren't needed. Then the death rate was an order of magnitude less than forecast. Then the governments seek to continue the policies... Let's take another very simple question. Should the "mid-game" - masks, some business closures and partial closures - continue indefinitely? Yes or no. If not, on what exact criteria should the mid game be terminated? An inability to answer this really is just spreading FUD and is not scientific, let alone rational or good for the population. |
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The anti-apartheid movement has erupted in America This movement goes on everywhere on the planet Blacks are discriminated against in various places ranging from sports Racism also runs rampant in African countries. Whites didn't want to offer a place to blacks in South African sports This phenomenon exists in many countries and that we think the responsibility is over just by saying Say no to racism it's impossible to protest against racism just after a batch during the sport we'd like a psychological change to protest against racism we'd like to enhance our psychological state.
No, what in the world are you trying to say? There was apartheid / anti-apartheid in S Africa, there is no similar thing in US. S Africa is currently has a Marxist president who wants to take all land away from whites, many of whom ancestors have been there for 500 years. |
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the us society gets mader by the day because everytime someone is upset about something, there is psychologic attacks on other parts of the society, its never ending.
take the name washington redskins as an example,
once it was created together with native americans to honor them.
today they are upset by it.
this type of garbage will always continue till everyone gets out of mind
Catering to the smallest voice and giving that small voice a veto power on a past majority decision ... as far as organizational structure, that would create total chaos. |
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WTO~World Trade Organization is the body designed to promote and maintain peaceful trades between it's members, it also settles disputes and creates an enabling environment for both advanced economies and EMDEs (emerging markets and developing economies).....
May I ask, not intending to derail the subject, so I will accept your response and then not pursue further... What do these guys REALLY DO? |
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These average, normal people have the solution. You don't. Like many medical obsessed medical know-it-alls, you're a mid-game. People are tired of your mid-game game. They are tired of the COVID-game. They are starting to distrust those who would continue the COVID-game indefinitely, and for good reason.
well just basic math and science show we are still in thr first chapter. yes lazy people want to know how the story ends but not want to actually read the book. problem is without even reading the mid part they wont get to the end game.... anyone thinking this is the time for end-game speaches is hugely ignorant to whats really happening in the real world. and needs to be youtubing less and maybe contacting their local statistics offices any actual doctors in the front line. and get some real results Response to mid-game bluster already provided, bolded. |
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....I doubt it is that hard to subpoena Verizon and have them track that phone within a certain area at all times.
Stingray has to be moved to the vicinity of the target. If the goal is to locate a phone out there, "somewhere unknown" concealing the RFI of the phone would effectively prevent knowledge of it's location, until it was used. Then if you always only unwrapped and used it 100 miles to the east, you'd throw off the trackers. Given that Obama subpoenaed Verizon and got all the records of all the Republican congressmen, it's certainly not hard to get records. |
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TO state the obvious, "Winning Texas by less than 10" is not the same as "Texas turning blue."
Yes but look beyond this election cycle. ...
look beyond this latest set of lying liars' "polls"?
He means after the election. SO... "Texas turning blue" slithers in to "Winning by less than ten" and that morphs into "beyond this election cycle". It's a lot easier just to note that the lying liars keep on lying, regardless. So let's have some more of those fake polls by your lying liars. Because that's all they really do, is produce fake opinions, fake data, fake charts, and put on fake smug little attitudes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHG0ezLiVGcand I quote. "Don't u worry. Eight years gonna fly by." |
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...Nothing wrong with Rand, I just think he's more of a loyalist to Trump who drops his ideals when Trump says to do so. Nothing can really be done about that though, as Trump has this insane grip on the party.
If Trump does have "this insane grip on the party" he earned it the hard way. I tend to think that's not the case, most in the Repubbles are only loyal to their pocketbook and who enriches it. Rand was always bragging about his mailers and emailers and his techniques. |
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That's not an end game. Not at all. That's the mid-game. I understood all that quite well.
My question is what's the end game. The point where you say "back to normal."
The "end game" is the point where the COVID-game ceases.
well unlike some idiots in this topic that think the covid is already in the endgame chapter it is not... All you did is repeat the mid-game. In repeating it, you use quite a few fear factors and emotionally laden arguments, maybe thinking they augment and reinforce your logic. They don't. They weaken it A LOT. Can you or can you not articulate a clear, simple, executable end-game? Because there are a lot of people that can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q3PSISAZL8These average, normal people have the solution. You don't. Like many medical obsessed medical know-it-alls, you're a mid-game. People are tired of your mid-game game. They are tired of the COVID-game. They are starting to distrust those who would continue the COVID-game indefinitely, and for good reason. |
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Yes but look beyond this election cycle. ...
look beyond this latest set of lying liars' "polls"? |
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my end game is to correct the certain people in this forum that think that the virus isnt real or doesnt send people to hospital.
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my "game" is helping people know if their bodies immunity can only handle a few million particles per breath. then staying at a distance wont overwhelm them with an invasion of hundreds of millions a breath.
meaning that even if people still go out with a cough, staying at distance wont overwhelm other people. and instead atleast give them a microdose at safe distance compared to mega dose close up.....
That's not an end game. Not at all. That's the mid-game. I understood all that quite well. My question is what's the end game. The point where you say "back to normal." The "end game" is the point where the COVID-game ceases. |
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Doubt by the time Novemeber comes around Texas is still blue. People right now only really care about the Coronavirus and they're not thinking of much else, that'll tighten come election time.
Right, but for a Republican to have any shot at the Presidency, you need to win Texas by at least 10. A smaller margin than that and you can pretty much extrapolate the voter turn out to other states and conclude there isn't enough to get the plurality in places like Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin, ect. Trump won Texas by about ~9 in 2016 and that race was about as close as it gets looking at states like Florida, Michigan, and Wisconsin where Trump barely won. TO state the obvious, "Winning Texas by less than 10" is not the same as "Texas turning blue." |
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