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3481  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If Anarchy can work, how come there are no historical records of it working? on: June 03, 2013, 10:20:53 PM
"Because of Iceland's geographical location there was no threat of foreign invasion, so the demand for a national military force was absent.  "

Seems like the existence of the "other" always brings about the creation of military force and a government.



Knowing where the problems lie helps to formulate solutions, does it not ?

Yes, isolation has helped
3482  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If Anarchy can work, how come there are no historical records of it working? on: June 03, 2013, 10:07:40 PM
Most anarchists are now of the Voluntaryist/AnCap stripe. Black and Gold is winning over Black and Red.

This would most welcome news indeed if it were true. do you have a source?

dunno if it's true, but we are certainly more vocal in the last couple years!
3483  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bradley Manning on: June 03, 2013, 08:26:07 PM

So saying publicly and proving that USA kills and tortures people undermines your freedom?

So what? Did anything happen thanks to that?


He stole and released critical intelligence that could result in harming diplomatic relations, and put American soldiers lives at risk during wartime (which is aiding and abetting the enemy).  He intentionally violated the Espionage Act, and as someone with a security clearance, he knew the risks. Violation of the Espionage Act carries with it a penalty of death.

If he was unprepared to accept those consequences, he should've kept his treasonous mouth shut.


Wait, wait, wait. Full stop.

What WAR? The United States is not at war. Yes, they are actively murdering people in foreign lands, but ONLY Congress can declare war. Wartime rules DO NOT apply to this case absent that declaration.


The Iraq War which was authorized by a joint resolution by the senate and congress

That said, there doesn't need to be a "declared war" for the Espionage Act to apply. Releasing classified information in peacetime is still espionage.

so an unconstitutional law trumps the constitution. And you are changing your arguments. Thank you, you have clarified your position. Here's a quote from another "traitor". It was written long before either of us were born (or hatched, as may be your case), but it was aimed directly at you.

Quote
"If ye love wealth better than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom,
go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or your arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
3484  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bradley Manning on: June 03, 2013, 08:08:49 PM

So saying publicly and proving that USA kills and tortures people undermines your freedom?

So what? Did anything happen thanks to that?


He stole and released critical intelligence that could result in harming diplomatic relations, and put American soldiers lives at risk during wartime (which is aiding and abetting the enemy).  He intentionally violated the Espionage Act, and as someone with a security clearance, he knew the risks. Violation of the Espionage Act carries with it a penalty of death.

If he was unprepared to accept those consequences, he should've kept his treasonous mouth shut.

Wow. Is it that tough to answer?

Hint: the red question just needs a Yes or a No
Hint: the green question just needs a Yes or a No



The first is not a "yes or no" question, because it is a leading question.  It doesn't really matter what the classified documents reveal, because stealing and releasing classified documents is illegal and a clear act of espionage.  If he felt that something illegal was happening, he should've gone through the proper channels and had it investigated.

For your second question, yes.


Oh, okay, so he should have let the torturers and murderers investigate their own crimes. That's a great idea! How about we let regular lawbreakers be the judge in their own trials?


The government is not a hive mind, nor is everyone in the government (or even most of he government) complicit in the alleged crimes....and yes, government officials investigate other government officials all the time, it's how the justice system worksFails.

FTFY
3485  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bradley Manning on: June 03, 2013, 08:05:58 PM

So saying publicly and proving that USA kills and tortures people undermines your freedom?

So what? Did anything happen thanks to that?


He stole and released critical intelligence that could result in harming diplomatic relations, and put American soldiers lives at risk during wartime (which is aiding and abetting the enemy).  He intentionally violated the Espionage Act, and as someone with a security clearance, he knew the risks. Violation of the Espionage Act carries with it a penalty of death.

If he was unprepared to accept those consequences, he should've kept his treasonous mouth shut.


Wait, wait, wait. Full stop.

What WAR? The United States is not at war. Yes, they are actively murdering people in foreign lands, but ONLY Congress can declare war. Wartime rules DO NOT apply to this case absent that declaration.

If you deny this, then you are saying the Constitution is invalid (as opposed to useless, which it demonstrably is.). If you say the Constitution is VALID, then EVERY SINGLE BELLIGERENT ACT committed by the United States since 1945 has been demonstrably illegal. If you deny THIS, then you are back to the first part. A lawless government has no validity. Either the Constitution says what it means, or it means nothing.

In order to prove treason, even absent the above, you would have to demonstrate SUBSTANTIALLY that Manning gave aid and comfort to the enemy, since he in fact did the very opposite of making war against the States in pointing out to their alleged citizens that the people in charge were engaging in criminal activity under the color of law. Whistleblowers are not traitors. I would argue that they are patriots.

I again refer you to Thomas Jefferson. Since you've already outed yourself as a Tory sympathizer, you probably don't care.
3486  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bradley Manning on: June 03, 2013, 07:51:09 PM
*snip*

Freedom comes at a cost, and that means punishing those who would try to undermine it.
you just indicted every single politician in the world.
3487  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This sums it up well. on: June 03, 2013, 01:39:02 PM
He's talking about decentralisation not being disorganised, those are different things, what Libertarians and Anarchists tend to follow seems to be self-regulation rather than the more popular definition of chaos. You can still have leadership and communities in such a system but the point is that it's not one big organisation that runs everything.

Thanks.

I have a lot to say on this, but now is unfortunately not the time. Because I'm in the process of moving more than halfway across the country and already wasted too much time on this forum Smiley I'll try to get a lot more detailed in a couple of weeks.

But yes, that's why I said general COMPETENT armament. Any damn fool can lay their hands on a gun. And most damn fools aren't any better off than empty handed. There is a significant amount of training involved in being competently armed. The most important weapon a man can possess is the one that lies dormant between the ears of the vast majority.
3488  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Homeland Security raids mall kiosks, claims they "fund terrorists" on: June 03, 2013, 12:02:01 PM
Why is this being made about me? This is about DHS busting trademark infringers and claiming that they could fund terrorism as the excuse.

Counterfeit items are a danger in and of themselves. They are often made without industry regulations (because the manufactureres are illegal in the first place). The DHS handled the situation because the operation behind the counterfeit items may have also been a terrorist organization. What exactly is your problem with any of that?

I could dispute this a great deal. But following on your logic, what about Federal Reserve Notes? If you follow their history from their first issuance in 1913 through today, they cannot be called anything BUT counterfeit. Originally, they were a warehouse receipt. Then through quasi-legal subterfuge and outright theft in 1937, they were made to be promissory notes. Then the original intent was sacrificed on the altar of the great god Keynes. Now they are LITERALLY worth less than the special paper they are printed on.

They are made without industry regulations (because the manufacturers are illegal in the first place{No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility.}).

What I NEVER see pointed out in these threads, even by people on my side of the argument, is something that should be trumpeted from the rooftops. DHS and KGB have the same meaning, and the same function. There was never any purpose behind DHS EXCEPT to spy on and control the subjects of the Empire. If they are involved, it's dirty. Period. These are people who view honesty and integrity as swear words.

I have lived in the Empire for 44 years. In my youth it was a relatively pleasant and relatively free place. Now, in just a couple of decades, it has turned into something beyond the Checka's wildest dreams. Hitler would be jealous and Mussolini proud.
3489  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Homeland Security raids mall kiosks, claims they "fund terrorists" on: June 03, 2013, 11:47:09 AM
"Homeland Security does wellness check for corporate trademarks, naughty people found"

Is this better?

This is sensationalist as well. Depending on the counterfeiter, counterfeit items can be quite dangerous, as most cut costs by not abiding by health and safety standards. Saying counterfeit items are bad because it hurts corporations is silly.

To repeat, since you seem made of dense stuff: DHS claimed it could be funding terrorist networks. They used the excuse, not me.

Would you prefer the government allow what could be a terrorist fund to continue unabated? You're not making a whole lot of sense.


News flash. The difference between a "terrorist" and a "soldier" is who's telling the story.
3490  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Self-sufficient Bitcoin Country!? on: June 03, 2013, 11:12:03 AM
Short form, no, not really.

Slightly longer possible yes?

seasteading.
3491  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Bitcoin overcome the next hurdles of success? on: June 03, 2013, 10:55:51 AM
I'm still kicking myself for not getting in on it when it launched. I think it has good prospects for long term success.

That being said, it is still an abstract currency, even less backing it than fiat. I like what it's doing, I'm surprised by it's current valuation, and I think it has great potential. But it's far too early to tell. Makes for great poker, though.

All currencies have an abstract component.  In fact perhaps the majority of currency is abstract. 

Bitcoin is a revolution because it has utility based on an NxN matrix, where N is the number of people.  Other systems have an NxM matrix, where M is the number of notaries (read banks).  The number of notaries is minuscule vs the number of people.

So bitcoin can be true money, like cash.  And have a network effect 1000s or even millions of times bigger than legacy money.   

I agree. But I'm a geek. You still have to overcome the perception by rather a lot of rubes morons citizens suckers people that national Fiat is real money. Even Gold has SOME abstraction to it, though it physically exists.

Don't get me wrong. I'm in favor of this. I intend to promote it. I just think it's too early to call.
3492  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Butterfly Labs Announces Bulk Chip Sales on: June 03, 2013, 10:48:22 AM


Also, FWIW; The ASICminer blades are priced by the free market nitwits, the USB dongle is price gauging plain and simple!

What sort of gauge are we using? Grin

Sorry, couldn't resist.
Probably

Nice!  Cheesy
3493  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Bitcoin overcome the next hurdles of success? on: June 03, 2013, 10:45:35 AM
I'm still kicking myself for not getting in on it when it launched. I think it has good prospects for long term success.

That being said, it is still an abstract currency, even less backing it than fiat. I like what it's doing, I'm surprised by it's current valuation, and I think it has great potential. But it's far too early to tell. Makes for great poker, though.
3494  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Butterfly Labs Announces Bulk Chip Sales on: June 03, 2013, 10:40:11 AM


Also, FWIW; The ASICminer blades are priced by the free market nitwits, the USB dongle is price gauging plain and simple!

What sort of gauge are we using? Grin

Sorry, couldn't resist.
3495  Other / Off-topic / Re: Whoever Invented the Gasoline-Powered Leaf Blower Should Have His Butt Kicked on: June 03, 2013, 10:36:52 AM
The fact that there is no national outrage against this device is telling.

No, just a local outrage.  They've been illegal in Berkeley since 1982.

I've spent a lot of time in Berkeley. Kinda proves my point about morons...
3496  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Butterfly Labs Announces Bulk Chip Sales on: June 03, 2013, 10:35:09 AM
Quote from: BFL_Josh
We have enough chips on order to satisfy all preorders. Any orders we make now to satisfy bulk chip sales would come after the chips arrive for the pre-orders.

Does anyone know how many pre-orders they have?

Hi. This might help you. http://bfl.ptz.ro/ It's a list of some people that received Jalapenos so far (and more unlucky ones still waiting to give you the whole disastrous picture - considering most people did not register in that form, this is HUGE ...). ....................

They (butterflies) sort of managed to scam people even if they deliver product at the (far away) end. Very creative.

Read more in PuertoLibre's signature above if curious how that is even possible.


........... But as soon as Hercules got competition, the prices became reasonable very quickly.

The prices are always determined by market and costumers. The only problem I have is BFL's full-charged-preorder-but-no-delivery policy.

I agree. I was speaking more of ASICMiner and Avalon. BFL is a wildcard. They are advertising what I'm talking about, but they have screwed the pooch so badly that I have extreme doubts that they can ever recover. Which is really too bad, because if the could deliver they would cause the other vendors to adjust. Not to mention they appear to have a really cool product.

Ah well. We'll see what happens. If they can actually get seriously to market before August, it'll change the game. If they can't, the game will still change. They just won't be leading the change. If they even survive.
3497  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Butterfly Labs Announces Bulk Chip Sales on: June 03, 2013, 10:23:13 AM
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If people are willing to pay outrageous prices, the producer is a fool to NOT offer outrageous prices while he has a defacto monopoly. When somebody credible comes to market at lower prices, ASICMiner products will lower theirs to something more reasonable. Right now they are mining fools as much as bitcoins. And if you have ever studied the history of gold rushes, mining fools is often initially much more profitable. Friedcat isn't screwing anyone. He's just allowing fools to screw themselves. And he IS delivering the product.

He isnt screwing anyone, of course.

I think that in the longterm, if he sells thousands of these, he might create thousands of haters, who didnt break even and then rant on Bitcoin. If he is into it selling long term, he might make more money not pissing customers off that later say "Ah, i wont buy new, i wont break even anyway."

Hard decision. Short term i agree with you.

Still it's not sharing the love, or the wealth to be *potentially made. It's centralising profits to themselves and leaving their *customers with a product that may...or may not give some reward one day in the future. I see no difference there between ASICminer and putting my money in a modern bank with a piss poor interest, other than I'm putting myself out to change funds to bitcoin and acquire a device which I'm then responsible to ensure remains working, whilst they profit!

To me that's an utterly selfish and stupid reason to sell at such a price. You didn't see graphics card manufacturers decide to raise prices because consumers discovered away to turn their products into additional fundraising devices did you?

You would have if there was only one or two options available. Early graphics cards were ridiculously expensive for what they did when they DIDN'T have any other purpose. (I mean way back, early 80's. A 16 color graphics adapter frequently cost more than the IBM PC you were putting it in). But as soon as Hercules got competition, the prices became reasonable very quickly.
3498  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Butterfly Labs Announces Bulk Chip Sales on: June 03, 2013, 10:20:02 AM
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If people are willing to pay outrageous prices, the producer is a fool to NOT offer outrageous prices while he has a defacto monopoly. When somebody credible comes to market at lower prices, ASICMiner products will lower theirs to something more reasonable. Right now they are mining fools as much as bitcoins. And if you have ever studied the history of gold rushes, mining fools is often initially much more profitable. Friedcat isn't screwing anyone. He's just allowing fools to screw themselves. And he IS delivering the product.

He isnt screwing anyone, of course.

I think that in the longterm, if he sells thousands of these, he might create thousands of haters, who didnt break even and then rant on Bitcoin. If he is into it selling long term, he might make more money not pissing customers off that later say "Ah, i wont buy new, i wont break even anyway."

Hard decision. Short term i agree with you.

I really don't think he will, because he's been quite up front about it. And, given that half of the profits go back to Bitfountain, He is probably using it for R&D for smaller more badass chips. When he has serious competition, I suspect he'll be able to play the undercutting game and gain bonus points because of his reputation. Plus, his initial model was more about the profits to the shareholders than dissemination to the general public. Gen 2 chips, as I understand it, should have immensely more hashing power and be cheaper to produce (excluding the cost of the mask), so he could be positioning himself long and short rather well.

BFL isn't likely to deliver. Despite having had a civil argument with Inaba (which surprised the hell out of me) I've just seen too much hype without enough substantiation. Sure, they have developed the machines. I just don't think they have what it takes to actually take them to serious production in time to be relevant. I could be wrong, of course, but I will be very surprised if they hit the market before at least one competitor hits with better chips, cheaper. We already know there is a lot of interest in this, and there are rich men interested in it. Despite the scams out there, the odds are very good that some VC group is working quietly and has been for some time. They could easily come out of left field and change the whole game. As Yifu said, if his group could do it in four months, then a well funded group could EASILY do it.

I have seen production figures suggesting that the chips themselves will cost in the neighbourhood of .50 to 2.00 USD each to produce after initial cost, so there is a lot of margin for undercutting the market when someone is ready.

It's a hell of a game. I'm late to the party, but I'm enjoying the ride Smiley
3499  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Butterfly Labs Announces Bulk Chip Sales on: June 03, 2013, 10:03:53 AM
Does anyone else think the chips are priced ridiculously?

I talked to someone at an ASIC company lately who argued that it would be a cinch to build 65 or 28nm chips, their sims showed about 8-10gh/s per chip. He offered that if they ever got to development, the first batch would cost me $50 per chip since the development costs are so high. Should they produce a second batch, he'd give to me for $30. Estimated margin with development costs on a 100k batch was by the way 300-400%.

What you see there is a fucked up margin of unbelievable 1000%, since one of these chips is bound to cost around 10$ including production if there was one 100.000 batch produced and built.

I dont care about how late they are or how mean to their customers, I already got a refund for that. But now selling your chips with a 1000% margin? Are you serious BFL?

As serious as Avalon are with their margin, or ASICminer with their ludicrous mark-up!!!

Avalon's markup is around 300-400%.

That is completely ok.

ASICminer: Im not sure, but it is beyond a lot. He stated that adding 1th/s is at the cost of $10k right now. 1th/s means that is about  100 block eruptor blades. Build costs around $10 per Gigahash. (3 chips, I would guess) Lets assume around 20-30 additional dollars for assembly.

--> Block Eruptor Blade building costs, not factoring development, around... $130-140 Dollars. Sales price 50BTC or 2BTC for small chips. Ok, ASICminer beats BFL, it is okay Cheesy


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Demands are just too high because people are willing to spend anything on a short supply of ASICs right now

Which is incredibly stupid. You need to at least do your calcs. The Block Eruptor USB Miners are fun, small and cool devices. They are several times overpriced though. I would guess that they SHOULD cost 1BTC. That includes shipping, manufacturing, chips and a 400% premium. That is a fair price and a good margin to win at business. 800% is fucking your customers, 5000% is hardly even thinkable...

While from a personal perspective, I agree, from a business one I don't. The USB is a novelty item, really. But you don't see any gathering dust, do you?

If people are willing to pay outrageous prices, the producer is a fool to NOT offer outrageous prices while he has a defacto monopoly. When somebody credible comes to market at lower prices, ASICMiner products will lower theirs to something more reasonable. Right now they are mining fools as much as bitcoins. And if you have ever studied the history of gold rushes, mining fools is often initially much more profitable. Friedcat isn't screwing anyone. He's just allowing fools to screw themselves. And he IS delivering the product.

Me, I'm waiting till he has some competition. I still might buy his devices, when the price comes down. Or I might go with the competition. These things are going to have a short lifespan unless somebody figures out a way to repurpose an application SPECIFIC integrated circuit. ASIC mining will be immensely profitable for a minute, fairly profitable for a little while, and a note in history a bit after that.
3500  Other / Off-topic / Re: Is it time to get rid of Linux/JavaScript/Python kids? on: June 03, 2013, 09:53:05 AM
I actually rather like Windows, for a number of reasons. I also like Linux, for different reasons (some overlap).

Which one is superior depends on what you are doing. When it comes to security, Sorry, OP, Windows loses. Badly. If you can't hack Windows, you shouldn't bother trying.

OTOH, the money behind it attracts more talent, and more specificity in a lot of ways. Digital music is one of those boundary areas where it could go both ways, but right now the best DAW's between the two platforms are definitely windows based. (there is some hope on that front, thankfully)

I have long said that open source has one major strength and one major weakness: Anyone can participate.

One of the things that I have seen happening over the last decade, however, is the open source model participants learning how to monetize their efforts without killing the openness. Some in good ways, some in ugly ways. But it has improved things as "revenge against microsoft" is much less of a motivation in modern OSS circles than it used to be.

All of the above being said, Script kiddies are annoying, but every programmer probably was one once. Me, I'm not a programmer. Tried it, ain't got the juice and I admit it. But my programmer friends started off doing k0o1 L33t scripts back in the day. Eventually they get good, grow up, or go away. Let 'em play.
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