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2961  Other / Off-topic / Re: What we've learnt today. on: January 11, 2014, 12:31:10 AM
Mmm today I learned that if you take a microwave, disable all of the safety features, make a crucible and stucco it in graphite, while you can melt metal in it, it spews radiation everywhere.

It's just microwave radiation. It's not actually "radioactive"

Says the guy who said, "It's art! It's not actually a "coffee table"."  Grin

So, are you coming tothe Miami conference? I need to smack you.

Are you sure you wanted to use the word 'smack'?

I think 'spank' would be a better word here. I'd also like rights to the video, when it happens.

No Way! That one NEEDS to be public domain!
2962  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: AMT 80 GH/s miner review. on: January 10, 2014, 07:00:03 PM
My wife is apparently in labor. All bets are off on the timeline. See you when I see you.
2963  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: AMT 80 GH/s miner review. on: January 10, 2014, 06:23:50 AM
Ok, folks. I worked like 19 hours or something like that in the last two days, with hospital visits in between. I actually have time right now, but I am too fuckin' braindead to take a decent pic. Tomorrow evening I will pop the cover and take some pics and post them up here.

As previously noted, Vesperwillow offered me a Kill-a-watt, and it's supposed to arrive just about when I go on leave this coming weekend, so when I get it, I'll do the deed and post pics of that as well.

G'night.
2964  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: AMT 80 GH/s miner review. on: January 10, 2014, 06:21:05 AM
Found the whole thing charming, AMT prolly could have not chosen better PR person. Stick with it, and I would like to see a Big Ol' Gold $Bitcoin symbol hung on that hat... Yup lucky man he was....

Not kidding mean it..

Well, if they offered me the job I'd seriously consider it. I like the machine.

As for the bitcoin symbol on my Stetson? I just might. But not till I can afford real gold. I like the idea.
2965  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: AMT 80 GH/s miner review. on: January 10, 2014, 02:15:01 AM
Hi,

now that it seems you have 5 minutes to reply to posts , please take 1 minute to take photos (better a video) when we can see how good works your new miner.

Thanks in advance  Smiley

Coming soon. Probably tomorrow, maybe later tonight. Pics, I mean. The next video will be edited and somewhat less Charlie Foxtrot Smiley
2966  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: AMT 80 GH/s miner review. on: January 09, 2014, 02:48:03 PM
Biomech, great job so far. i dont mean to jump ahead on the forum, but could you tell us what the outputs on the system you have are? USB? ethernet? just curious because some of the pics of the miners on the AMT website show what looks like multiple USB plugs. the pics on the website dont look much like the one from the video.
its cool how excited your kid is. i have 2 teenagers and one is headed to LSU next year and is only now interested in mining once he figured that he will have free electricity and internet in the dorm. the younger one just hopes i dont turn his computer into a miner like it did with his brothers  Grin

It has two USB ports on the front, which I'm not sure what they're for. It also has an ethernet cable out the back, which is what it's connected to my router with.
2967  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: January 09, 2014, 06:04:17 AM
Could you take some shots of the machine and post here?

Certainly. I'll send you what I sent them. I'll post them in a post of their own. Took quite a few, and want to separate it from this post since I'm replying to multiple people at once. Don't want it to be too spammy.

wow. how are they shipping these things?

Was shipped UPS, packed with broken styrofoam in a box that was put together using duct tape, which is just odd. Duct tape? *shrugs*

Yeah, mine was packaged the same way. Difficult to open, but it was packed pretty solid. No damage at all on mine, but UPS did initially ship it to the wrong city. Directly opposite direction from their shipping hub. In several decades of dealing with UPS, I've never been impressed. Or more to the point the impression they make is terrible.

FWIW, mine has been happily hashing away on Eligius without any issues. I haven't had time to take it apart and take proper photos yet, but I will soon. With the baby due any minute now and a full time job, my life is chaos right now. At least my miner is working steadily Smiley

I talked to Jim on the phone yesterday for a little while before I went to work, and he said they are ready to go as soon as they get the chips. He said they would need a little time to test and tweak the firmware, but they are set to go with assembly. I didn't ask if they had sample chips yet. I meant to, but was rushed and forgot.

He also said they had tried to hire a couple of customer service people and they flaked on him. I don't really have any details, but he did say they're still working on it. My impression remains they are technical professionals, but didn't quite realize what they were biting off. Jim very much wants AMT to be the go-to company for ASIC machines in the United States, and that level of ambition in a smart man will likely pay off for both AMT and the consumer. From my point of view, I think we're seeing early speed bumps. I am convinced of their intentions, and when I get to the point I can do so, I'm buying from them. I think they'll iron out their problems outside the supply chain. That problem ain't going away. It seems there is always some gadget that you can't get on the day you need it in this industry. Usually the chips, but in watching the Klondike project, there seemed to be several "common" components that just dried up when they were needed.

In my conversation with Jim it seemed to me that the majority of their pre-orders are the Bitmine based machines which is the main reason for the delay. He didn't say that, it was the impression I got from the conversation. I should have asked more specific questions, I suppose, but we were mainly talking about my impressions of the rig they sent me. Which aside from the ugly packaging have been all positive so far. I like the machine. It's certainly not a professional level rig, whereas the others are, but as an entry level device, I think it's a decent deal. The price is higher than Blackarrow, but lower than other bitfury rigs. So right about the middle of the road, and you don't have to do a shitload of setup on it. Once I figured out that it was auto launching cg-miner it literally took two minutes to point it at Eligius. I'll post up the procedure for that with pictures on the review thread as the next project.

Also, thanks to Vesperwillow, I should have a Kill-a-watt pretty soon, and I'll post the draw. The internal software allows you to change the voltage and several other settings for overclocking/overvolting etc. Have no clue if that voids the warranty, but since I'm evaluating the unit rather than paying for it, I'll do it as soon as I know what I'm doing, and duly report the results. But as it shipped, it averages slightly above the advertised hashrate and seems dead stable. It's been running continuously for a couple of days without a hiccup. The case gets pretty warm, but not crazy hot. Keeps this previously kind of cold room comfortable, which to my cold blooded body is a bonus.

I will continue to update my evaluation of the machine in it's own thread, and link to it from this one. Right now, I've managed to watch the stats between real world tasks, and that's about it. I start a leave of absence from work on the 12th, with the baby due by induction supposedly on the 15th, so the odds are I'll have a day or two to play with it around there. Assuming my daughter don't get impatient and come early Tongue
2968  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: AMT 80 GH/s miner review. on: January 09, 2014, 04:53:46 AM
Bio, if you need a killowatt meter, put one in your amazon wishlist and I'll buy it for you.

Well, thank you! I will do that. I'll PM you in a little bit.
2969  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: AMT 80 GH/s miner review. on: January 08, 2014, 12:36:02 PM
Sorry,

orrible review.

4 minutes to open the box is not interesting.  Roll Eyes

Patience. I'll be doing a hell of a lot more. With far better video/snapshots too. My son really wanted to help. His help is a bit shaky, he's only 7 Smiley

I figured it would satisfy him and show the world that I actually got the thing.

In unrelated news, but relevant to why I'm taking my time, My daughter is due to be born in a few days. That likely will take precedence over filming and editing.
2970  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: AMT 80 GH/s miner review. on: January 08, 2014, 12:33:29 PM
He moaned since God was a cowboy about how godawful broke he was and how desperate he was for an ASIC, any ASIC...

Congrats cowboy, nice that someone came through for you. Smiley

Next challenge: get a cycle maker to send you an evaluation mountain-bike... Wink

-MarkM-


Certainly no need to be offensive towards the man. What did he do other than accept a miner that was given to him (Would you not?). He was even kind enough to post videos and reviews. How about some positivity - instead of your obtrusive and offensive comments (especially from a senior member such as yourself). This whole forum really has turned into a giant flame-fest.

Thank you for taking the time to post your thoughts and videos Biomech. Anxious to read more about it!

~Chazaki

Thanks, but I think Mark was just being funny. I took it that way. We've interacted before, on the KNC thread. He's cool.
2971  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: AMT 80 GH/s miner review. on: January 08, 2014, 12:31:28 PM
my question is how does a member with similar stats to me get an eval unit?
I believe I even have some rep here, I missed the boat I suppose.



When ya figure it out, let me know. Wish I could work the magic again. Maybe it was just time for SOMETHING to go my way.

Or maybe it's this.

He moaned since God was a cowboy about how godawful broke he was and how desperate he was for an ASIC, any ASIC...

Congrats cowboy, nice that someone came through for you. Smiley

Next challenge: get a cycle maker to send you an evaluation mountain-bike... Wink

-MarkM-


That makes the second guy to tell me it's the hat. I'm going with it. From now on it's my official "Bitcoin Stetson"  Cheesy
2972  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: AMT 80 GH/s miner review. on: January 07, 2014, 09:35:04 PM
We appreciate the attempt at the video, it was a total failure however. (was it a 8mm movie camera from 1947?)


Look forward to more info and some nice clear pictures.


Cheesy might as well have been. Old webcam. My good one got lost in the move. It'll show up eventually. Plus my son does not have a steady hand and he REALLY wanted in on that. I'll have better pix later.
2973  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: AMT 80 GH/s miner review. on: January 07, 2014, 08:58:26 PM
I don't currently have a Kill-a-watt. My Dad might.

I hope he does. Im taking bets its consuming well over 80W. Probably 100-120W.

Surprisingly for a retired electrician, he doesn't. I'll beg, borrow, or buy one before this is all done. I'm curious myself. It's a 300W PSU, which is sufficient overkill to run efficient. We'll see.
2974  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: January 07, 2014, 08:13:52 PM
I didn't mean you personally, I know your a cynic not an optimist Smiley

But do you have reference ot the emails? I remember some nebulous responses that didn't really say anything specific at the time.

Lol.. not a cynic, I'm an analyst. I don't have skin in the game either way, just looking at what's been presented.

The emails are in this insanely long thread, I did not save hotlinks to them, just noted them. This is why several folks keep pinging on Orama and others, because they were told the books would in fact be opened. And so far, nothing.

I believe they're waiting for a significant trigger, such as Cointerra shipping. It's not likely they'll be shipping Neptunes anytime soon, which is the only other reason they'd be silent.



You are too a cynic! And there is nothing wrong with that. Me, I'm a cynical optimist.

The difference between a cynic and a pessimist is this:

A pessimist doesn't believe anything good CAN happen, and so won't accept it when it does. A cynic, on the other hand, just doesn't expect it. But we aren't upset when it does go right Smiley

That being said, I think your analysis is likely correct. They don't have many competitors on the same scale as them, and I don't think they are taking the lower process node mfgrs seriously. I personally think this is a mistake, as those guys will likely continue to produce, and probably at lower cost in the near future. Already they are having trouble selling their devices at the asking price. Or at least Megabigpower is. Bitmain don't seem to be having any problems.

I just got a Technobit HEX16B based unit from AMT yesterday. They gave it to me to test and hopefully generate some good will for their company, as they got tired of scam accusations. If they are shipping in bulk soon, they'll put out a lot of hashes for the little guy, and they are about to release bitmine based miners as well. I think you'll start seeing a lot more of this model as the developers switch to chip sales over full on rigs. And this little beast is pretty nice. Lots of little guys can drive up the difficulty just as fast as a few big ones. (ok, that reads a bit confusing. The model I refer to is vendors using third party hardware.)
2975  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: AMT 80 GH/s miner review. on: January 07, 2014, 09:59:53 AM
tl;dr - is this a bitfury based miner?

tl;dr is a lot of what's wrong with modern society. But I'll humour you.

It's a bitfury system, Technobit HEX16B hashing modules times two.
2976  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: AMT 80 GH/s miner review. on: January 07, 2014, 09:23:09 AM
I think a disclosure is needed in your post. Those that followed the AMT thread will know, but others may not, that you were sent this miner for free by AMT in an attempt to prove their legitimacy.  I think its also reasonable to mention that while you received your demo miner, actual paying customers still seem to be waiting for theirs for 6+ weeks now.

As for the machine itself, if you happen to have a kill-a-watt, Im sure many people would be interested in the results. AMT website claims 80W, Im curious if thats true.

You are correct, I intended to. Oops. Will fix it in a moment.

I don't currently have a Kill-a-watt. My Dad might.
2977  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: January 07, 2014, 08:58:42 AM
Ok, boys and girls, I'm reviewing the machine in another thread.

Here ya go. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=403223.new#new
2978  Bitcoin / Hardware / AMT 80 GH/s miner review. on: January 07, 2014, 08:56:40 AM
Edit/Update February 20th at 5:07 Mountain Time.

Here's a link
to the video I finally got done. Sorry again for taking so long. I'll talk about that a bit in a minute.

Right now, and you'll need to watch the video to see how the pool setup page is, I have a technical question. How the hell do I set up for solo mining with this beast? I want to take a stab at a couple of SHA-256 alts, for fun, profit, and your viewing pleasure. If possible without taking the thing apart and running the boards individually with Hexminer.

As to how long this is taking, I again apologize. My personal situation is ugly. My wife, as of six hours ago, is hospitalized for probably a week. I have a newborn daughter and a seven year old son, and more stress than I can really deal with. I have been a bit snippy with some people on the forum where I try to be measured. If I stepped on any toes, I'm sorry. Due to the constant medical issues, I have had to take a leave from my job to care for my children and wife. For the moment, this miner is my sole source of income. That's not much. Obviously unsustainable, and I'm working on fixing that ASAP, which leaves me little time for keeping current on this, and little incentive to take it off of Eligius, where it's making me something every couple of days. I do believe I can probably do better by mining alts and trading them, but that's a bit difficult right now.

If the above sounds like whining, I'm not prepared to deny the charge. It's been rough. I'll shut up now. The miner works good, at least Smiley

Yesterday, AMT was supposed to start delivering the Coincraft based miners. To my knowledge, no one has received tracking info on that yet. I have been very upbeat about this company, because they were good to me and because I like the machine. But if there are no tracking numbers out in the wild in the next couple of days, I'm going to be very disillusioned. AMT, I know you read this thread. Please come through, here. I want you to succeed. But you told me that you wanted me to be objective, and objectively you're not doing so good. Make it right for you paying customers. Even though some of them have gone off the deep end, it's still the right thing to do.

As an aside on that, AMT's business partners in Switzerland are cutting off their own balls with their continued stalling and silence. Come on, vendors, TALK TO YOUR CUSTOMERS. Even when you fuck up. Even when it's bad news. If they are informed and kept in the loop, most will forgive. You can't please everyone, that's an impossible task. But you can keep most of 'em happy by just being honest and informative. Most of us know that shit happens when you're working with bleeding edge technology. Tell us about that shit happening, and you save yourselves ten pages of FUD, easy.
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ok, the thing has now been hashing nearly continuously for a bit over a month, totally reliably as near as I can tell. I'm still working on a video. Lots of personal problems at this end.

The "sweet spot" for voltage appears to be 895mv for me. I've gone up and down from that, and got lower average hashrate both ways. It seems to average 83 GH/s local, and around 81 at the pool.

I hope to make a video detailing all the features that I understand (sceenshots and whatnot) later this evening.

My overall impression remains very good. If the quality of this machine is an indicator, AMT is the real deal. They do need to improve their customer relations, but that is true of just about every ASIC company out there, with the possible exception of Bitmain. I want more of these. And bigger Smiley


http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1Eu1iqrQW2P6fSPLpGXLXiZ4828BnXpRJi changed clients, so changed address Smiley



update From here on out I'm going to put any new news or changes to the top of the page, and put in a reply that says OP updated. For those of you into conspiracy theories, get out them screen grabbers! (I will probably delete and reformat as I go along)

This is just a minor update. I've been running the thing on two pools, primarily Eligius, but briefly on BTCguild. Made better money on Eligius, and I really like Whizkid, so I think it unlikely that I'll do much more if any pool exploration while I only have the one machine.

I've done some playing with the voltages, and I get weird results. If I leave it at 900mv, the setting it was delivered with, it is very steady at just above 80 gh/s. If I up the voltage, I get runs where it approaches 90 GH/s, but it's all over the map. Now the weird part. I've been averaging about 83 GH/s with it set to 890mv. I'll tweak a bit further, but so far undervolting has given me better results than overvolting. The "chip frequency" is set to 540, and I haven't touched it. I don't know what it does. Any insights would be helpful on that. I'm going to try dropping the voltage a bit more next, and see where that leads.

Also, while hashing on the guild, Cgminer kept showing four modules with two disabled. A hard reset (power off) put it back, but reboot didn't. Didn't seem to harm anything, and it didn't do it on Eligius. I don't get that. It has two modules. As I said, it's weird, not traumatic. As far as I could tell, it didn't affect the hashrate in any way, it just looked odd.

Money is tight as hell right now, so I'm not tearing the thing down until after the first week in february. When I do, I'll take pictures of every component and post them up in this thread. I may put it in a different case, as I have a good sized one laying around. Then again, I might not Smiley


Ok, guys, here it is.

This is a first impressions post of the AMT 80 GH/s miner. It arrived yesterday (1/7/14) at about 6 pm. I wasn't here, so it remained in the box. I posted a video of the unboxing on youtube. I'll edit this post with the link in a bit.

First impression is the thing is bloody small. Then again, it's not very power hungry, so this doesn't seem to be an issue. It's very nice looking in a plain sort of way. I'm a bit of a minimalist anyway, so that appeals to me.

It has an actual powerswitch on the back of the PSU, instead of a softswitch. This too appeals to me.

Enough of that, Kevin, does it hash?

Well, yes, it does. Jim had sent me an email saying to call him to talk me through setup (which I'm still gonna do, since My bashing didn't learn me everything), but I got that email after midnight so I took a stab at it myself.

Bear in mind that I am a noob in the extreme. I've read a lot about these devices, but this is the first one I've ever seen, let alone used. I had to do some research in how to use putty and the like, but I got in, and I figured out how to set up the built in version of cgminer for Eligius. Got that going just a bit ago, and it's happily hashing away.

Here's a link for that, for tonight at least. I intend to experiment with solo mining alt coins in the near future, but right now I don't know what I'm doing well enough to even attempt it.

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1NAivofNXdKhzPvigtWLWMWxYT64huQ8Q

It's hashing around 85 GH/s, so a bit better than advertised. So far my only complaint, and this may not even apply to the units being shipped to real customers, is the lack of documentation. I know very little about linux, so I had to do some searching to figure out how to get into the thing. But I DID do it. The miner works good right out of the box. I suspect that I mined a bit to AMT's account while I was figuring it out, and they're welcome to it.

I'm going to leave it hashing on Eligius for a while, while I sleep at least, and after I talk to the AMT guys and have a better idea what I'm doing, I'll start pushing it's limits. I'll also post video and screenshots for future sessions.

If AMT can deliver these in bulk, I think they are a good entry level miner, and if the big ones work as easily as this one, this is a winning company. They lack polish, but so far I love this machine.

Also, this is a self moderated thread. I'm not into deleting stuff, but if it gets out of hand I will. That being said, I have thick skin and I like to debate, so don't hesitate just because of this. I figured a divergent thread was probably appropriate as things get lost in the noise on the official AMT thread as it is.

Oh, there were some questions asked of me in the other thread.

It is a pair of Technobit HEX16B hashing modules. I haven't popped the case open yet, but I think the on board computer is a raspberry pi. As near as I can tell it's intended to be a standalone unit, but I'm not sure I have it configured properly for that. Not sure I don't either. I'm watching Cgminer in a Putty window. I'll probably shut that down and watch my Eligius page to see if it's still going on it's own in a little bit. I'll update y'all on that.

It runs very quiet. I can hear the fan, but it's not screaming. The case is barely warm to the touch and it's been running for a couple of hours now.

Can't think of anything else right now. Feel free to ask me anything. I'll answer all but the most personal questions as best I can.

Kevin Biomech

EDIT
I think a disclosure is needed in your post. Those that followed the AMT thread will know, but others may not, that you were sent this miner for free by AMT in an attempt to prove their legitimacy.  I think its also reasonable to mention that while you received your demo miner, actual paying customers still seem to be waiting for theirs for 6+ weeks now.

Puppet is correct, I was sent this unit to evaluate it. I split this off from the main AMT thread, and failed to note that in this thread. No concealment intended. Just an oversight. As the shipping delays, I don't have any knowledge as to what's going on there. Those that say they can't get hold of AMT puzzle me, as I've yet to have any problem, either by email or phone.

EDIT2: Here's the link to the unboxing video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-kA5avsZBI&feature=youtu.be
2979  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: January 07, 2014, 03:28:07 AM
Evening folks.

Got home from work to a package from AMT. I shot an unboxing video, which I will be posting shortly. The video is terribly amateurish, cuz I didn't script it or edit it. Just shot the bitch and up it goes.

I'll edit this post as soon as I have it up.

I'm not sure I'm going to have time this evening to mess with it. If I do, I'll let y'all know.

Thanks again to the nice folks at AMT for giving me the machine and the opportunity to review it.

First impressions:

The packaging was rather ugly, but well done from the point of view of keeping the beast safe. It was well cushioned.

The unit itself is very small. I'm a bit worried about heat. It's pretty, though.

Jim had PM'd me saying the guy that packaged it might have forgot to include a power cable. You were right, Jim Smiley Not a problem, I have no shortage of power cables. I'll get about hooking it up as soon as I get time. Hopefully later tonight, but no promises.

Edit: Here's the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-kA5avsZBI&feature=youtu.be

I'll be doing some commentary on cryptocurrency on that channel in the future, as well as a full review of this machine.
2980  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: January 06, 2014, 04:46:25 AM
Hey, guys, I suppose I should tell you you're way off topic like happens to me.

But it's really interesting, so I'm not going to! Smiley
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