Yeah, it appears to be.

well, let me analyze this from the lens you portray.

Shall we?

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And you are raising the roof over newbies.

I'm not feeling charitable right now. I don't know you, don't know your motivations, any of that. This ain't just for you. It's for every goddamn last one of your lot that see a low post count or a new account and automatically ASSUME that they're somehow out to get you, troll you, etc.

It's not a new phenomenon, to be sure, but it seems worse on this forum than anywhere else I've been in my 30 plus years of online communications. Yeah, you read that right. I started "hacking" at age 7. 1975, bitches! Personal computers were, by modern standards, a joke. Getting onto a BBS was a cast iron bitch. But when you did, you didn't get jumped because you were new, unless you did something outrageous. (which I did sometimes. You learn from that.).

In fact, back then, it was the perfect place for a relatively smart and painfully shy kid. Cuz they couldn't see you, and only judged you by what you typed and how you interacted. Time in service only mattered if you came in arrogant.

Here? Fuck.

I got jumped six ways from sunday when I logged in here, just because I was "new" and had an opinion and/or asked questions. I read the fucking forum for MONTHS before I registered, so as not to come off as a compleat idiot. I didn't fail at that, but I failed at being the first guy registered!

Knock it the fuck off. Judge by what they say, not by when they registered. To those of you who haven't figured it out yet, you CAN READ THIS FORUM WITHOUT REGISTERING. Maybe Theymos should change that, take away one of the pet bitches in this ridiculously contentious forum. Some of the most intelligent people I've encountered in my life post on this forum. And some of the most willfully ignorant, spiteful fuckstains too.

Well played. Both of you. I'm not sure where the "tree hugger" thing came from. I'm guessing because one of the pools is operating a charity?

At any rate, those sort of initiatives generate publicity, and as Phineas Taylor Barnum famously noted, that's never bad.

The dev's have posted a lot of solid ideas, and appear to be working hard on those ideas behind the scenes. That, from the very beginning, is why I think this coin has more potential than most. Even though it's become somewhat established, probably by virtue of being the first Scrypt coin, litecoin has really gone nowhere in real world acceptance. Earthcoin could. It's name is catchy, the dev's want to take it mainstream, and it has an interesting and inter5ested community. Let's give this some time, thought, and support.

I don't see the sudden dump on acceptance at Cryptsy as any sort of sign in itself. It seems to happen with every coin that gets listed. In the short term, it's disappointing. As any sort of long term marker, I'd call it simply a milestone in the development. Many, if not most, of the early adopters are trying to turn a quick buck. Nothing wrong with that, but it does nothing for the coin in the long run except establish that it can be traded for other currency. When we get it trading for goods and services, THAT is when it will matter. And that is when exchange prices will rise the most steadily and keep their gains the best.

The firmware is for all technobit boards. If you watch when cgminer comes up (I use putty to ssh in, then screen -r at the command prompt) you'll see it load up as the correct board. I learned this by farting around with it. It is a bit confusing.

Mine worked perfectly right out of the box. Surprisingly, it hashes a bit better undervolted than at default, but aside from that, no trouble at all.

I'm going to try a few pools over the next few days. I think I'm going to put it on BTCGuild while I'm gone (assuming the baby don't come today, She'll be induced tomorrow evening) and then Slush and Bitminter. I'll post which give me better results, if any, in the review thread.

It's a TP-link board. Can't recall the model number of the top of my head, but it's listed on Technobit's website. Both Martin and Jim (Technobit and AMT, respectively) have said it will work with an Rpi, but I think you have to get a firmware image from Technobit's download section. I don't currently have one, so I can't test that theory.

Good luck, and happy hashing!

EDIT: Cgminer shows the boards as HEXb 0 and HEXb 1. It is a custom version of Cgminer, which is probably why Minepeon don't see it. There is some discussion of that on the Technobit threads, but I have yet to find any decent docs. I've asked Martin about that. Once I have a bit more time and sanity, maybe I can write up a guide.

Good.
More coins for me.

Watching hashrate from minute to minute will drive you as nuts as watching the exchanges from minute to minute. Watch it for a week before you decide that it's moved at all.

The boards are HEX16B, actually, bitfury based. The 'a' is avalon. However, the firmware does list all variants. That could be where he got mixed up.

The constant reseting, though, that's odd. Mine has worked without error, except when I messed with it. The only time I've seen it reset without me turning it off is when I was messing with the power settings. Even then not a full reset, it just stopped Cgminer and restarted it.

I probably will eventually put it in a different case, as I'd like to get some more hashing boards. And cases are easy to come by. Airflow is fine on my 80. It LOOKS like it wouldn't be, but it's not getting particularly hot.

I'm with you here. My mentality is more long term. Granted, this started out as a hobby, but the upside potential is in the long run. I'm an amateur economist (most agorists are) and fairly well versed in the Austrian school of economic theory. Unfortunately, I've also read John Maynard Keynes' General Theory as well, and it's "thinking" dominates modern economic discourse.

Not going to deep on that right now, as I'm about to go off to bed, but the more scarce or closely held a thing is, the higher it's perceived value. There is actually no such thing as "intrinsic" value, there is only market value. Miners, I guarantee you that those buying low don't intend to sell that way. Day trading can be fun and profitable, but it's one small facet of a much larger game. Play 'em all, and play to win.

I likened speculation to poker just a day ago. Most of you would lose your shirt at the poker table. Just like you lost your EAC at the Cryptsy opening. There is no reason to toss your money in the street for me to pick it up, but if you do, I'll not turn down the freebies.

My idea of profit in THIS coin is long term transactional ability. I think it's dev's have the juice, and the right plan to take it mainstream. If I'm right, then those of you selling your whole stash at first opportunity and low cost are going to be kicking yourselves in a year.

Remember in the early days when some dude paid 10k BTC for a pizza? If the guy he bought it from held his coins, he's sitting on a fortune right now. Let that sink it before you hit the "sell" button. Nothing wrong with occasional profit taking, but make sure you're TAKING a profit.

Could be. But dropping it to 880 seems to have stabilized the swings and still is hashing right at 79-80 GH/s. Dropped it 10 watts on the Kill-A-Watt too. This is fun

This is the most contentious forum I've ever been on. Also one of the most interesting. I think such a system would be abused into the ground, or totally ignored.

As for overly complex sentences, I get that too I suspect it comes from actually thinking about what you say.

Just out of curiousity, and feel free to ignore this if it's not something you want to reveal, what is your native language? Languages fascinate me. I've unfortunately only mastered English, but I speak a smattering of Mexican Spanish and can swear in German

Really? 900 was how it came to me. I just kicked it down to 880, will see how that does. Thanks, Martin. Didn't know you were watching

Is there docs for these someplace? The search function on this forum is... retarded. It misses things I was just reading.

Personally, I'd go for a lightning rod. Voodoo dolls are better for messing with your enemies

I fear being called wise. I think it's a dangerous assumption!  Other than that, well put, sir.

Thank you. I meet so many young people these days who haven't the brain of a dead watch. It is very refreshing and a beautiful thing to a middle aged man to see young people with vision. It's so fucking rare these days! Preach your wisdom to those you know. Some will listen, even if they pretend to follow the group.

+many

This was a bit hard to read. I assume English is not your native tongue? But it was well worth it. This guy is on the right track, boys and girls. If you want a coin to survive in the long term, it's transactional ability is THE key. Right now I can walk down to Walmart and spend some otherwise useless green paper backed by the promises of known liars. If we can get it to where I can do the same with Earthcoins, then not only does this little coin make it's early adopters a shitload of money, real money, but it helps to put the nails in the coffin of a colossal scam that has endured for centuries. Free money needs to happen if freedom is to happen. By Free Money, I don't mean you don't have to work or trade for it, I mean it's decentralized and owned directly by it's possessor.

If you have time to humour me, I'd like to see the math. I'm not doubting you, as what you describe roughly jibes with what I've been observing for the year and a half I've been involved in crypto. I just haven't seen any real modeling of it. I'm not a great mathematician, but I do like trying All knowledge is good knowledge...

Well, I'm trying to overvolt it a bit now. So far the results on that are a bit odd, and disappointing. Of course, I really don't know what I'm doing, and don't want to kill the machine...

Does anyone of you nice people know how hot (voltage) I can run the bitfury chips without letting the smoke out? I went from 900mv to 920, and it raised it about 2-3 GH/s avg at first, now it's back down around 80-81 consistent with spikes up to about 90. Pulling about 15 more watts. I'd like to kick it up a bit higher. Also, what should I set frequency at? It's defaults are frequency 540 and 900mv. I left frequency alone, as I haven't a clue what it's supposed to do.

BTW, I was wrong about their being a Pi in the beast. It's a tplink openwrt router with the Hexminer/cgminer firmware flashed in. The interface is simple as hell, but no docs.

Ok, I just wanna clarify a couple things. I've been following the coin since day one, but did skip some of the posts in the middle, because it grew like kudzu. I didn't see anyone bashing profit, or really even you aside from Trafficlearn. I jumped into somebody else's fight out of sheer amusement, and I think I did wrong. It was funny, but you don't seem a bad sort in retrospect, so I apologize.

That being said, I am the last person on earth you can say is not interested in profit. I'm an agorist. I firmly believe that every single human action is done for perceived profit, even if the actor says or thinks otherwise. The problem is that most people equate profit solely with monetary gain, and that just ain't the case. Profit is simply gain over and above what you've invested. Be it time, emotion, or yes, vegetable farming. (which by the way was the beginning of all economies known to man, so don't bash it too hard). Even charitable giving has a component of profit to my way of thinking. In fact, it's one reason I don't give to most charities because they operate at a loss on all spectra. They don't really help the people they are supposed to, they piss away the money on boondoggles, and they lie about it. Those who give a hand UP instead of a hand OUT get my money, time, and support. There aren't many like that.

I like the idea of mining to support a farm. That could be expanded upon to profit all involved, including providing employment, food, and money for those who can use it, if done properly. I've actually had something similar in mind for ages. Long before cryptocurrencies. It is my contention that a "non profit" charity is a scam.

That being said, there is never anything wrong with a just profit. If ya stole it, that's bad. If you didn't, rejoice in your gains. I may read back through all of this and see where the fight began, but I haven't seen anyone bashing the idea of profiting by this coin. What I have seen is a development team that is more interested in the future than the present, and are working in the present to make that future happen. If day trading is the whole goal, well, there's a bunch of coins out there that are good for that and nothing else. I think this one has a longer term potential, and most assuredly at a profit.

I would suggest that you tone down your rhetoric a little bit. When you do, you make good sense. When you start raving, you sound like you're raving. If the long term goals don't tickle your fancy, that's all well and good. They do mine, and judging by how fast this community is growing, I'm not alone. I'm no tree hugger. I love trees, and have spent the best times in my life in the wild, but I'm a humanist. I think we can find a harmony with the rest of nature, and that we should, but that the survival of OUR species is the paramount goal of our species. I see most of the so-called environmentalists as dupes and their leaders as traitors to humanity. If this coin can help those goals, it's worthy of support in the long term. If it can drive out some more of the centralized, collective minded horseshit known as government fiat, even better.

May you find your profits in all of your endeavors. I think you're alright, just abrasive.

As for making money on the up and down swings, yes it can be done. It's not a game I'm comfortable with, but I've seen it. You and Trafficlearn were both right and both wrong in some things. So stop bashing each other, it accomplishes nothing except some amusement to the observers.

Peace?

Thanks! I'd like to think so.
At the moment I'm dead broke, and for the next week my only income is my 80 GH/s BTC mining. But in the not too distant future, I would be very interested in getting involved in that, depending on what it is.

From what I've seen so far, I don't think the quick bubble means much. Unless the dev's just walk away from the coin, of course.

They seem more focused on making this one go mainstream. Dunno if they can pull it off, but if they do, then this will be a "I was there when" moment, rather than any kind of predictor.

I've been saying this with bitcoin, as well. It's making some strides. But what a coin really needs to get out of the "niche" category is the ability to be traded at Walmart. Whatever you think of them. If I could go in with my android app to Wally World and buy groceries, I would. So would a whole lot of people. If that happens, the value of the coin will skyrocket, and exchanges will be a niche market like they are now with fiat.

The future of cryptocurrency depends on day to day transactional ability. Bitcoin is about the best for that right now, because it has massive publicity. But it also has a LONG transaction time. It takes seconds to swipe a debit card or hand over some cash. We need that kind of utility in order for crypto to become mainstream. The dev's of this coin seem to understand that, and be working towards it. If they can do it, and market it, they win. And so does anyone holding this coin.

I like the name, I like the dev's so far, and I like the approach. I'm behind this to the extent that I can be. I'm behind bitcoin for similar reasons and it's (relative) stability vs. other coins. Most alt coins, if not all, are simply vehicles to acquire more BTC. At best. They are a hobby and nothing more, and will remain such until the above conditions are met. The coin that pulls that off, wins. Let's make it EAC.

Can't exactly fire my father!

He has an Amprobe, and several other cheaper devices. I did specifically ask for a Kill-A-Watt, and he didn't know what it was after 40 years as a commercial lineman. He was a bit embarrassed by that. I didn't want to use the ring type, because they aren't that accurate at low draw like this (it's commercial equipment: He spent his life wiring commercial installations.). Also, I'm afraid of having expensive equipment that isn't mine, as my son likes to get into things. He's getting better about it, but he's cost me a lot of money in replacements over the last 7 years.

Anyway, yeah, I was a bit disappointed at the power draw myself. Were it me, I would have overstated the draw, as I believe in Scotty's engineering principle. If you want to be seen as a miracle worker, tell 'em it'll take twice as long and cost twice as much as you think it will.

Supposedly, the Coincraft A1 chip is within the range they predicted, whereas Bitfury chips have been kind of twitchy, so I think they'll do better on the 28nm range.

As for cases.. meh. For this little beast, the case it came in is nice looking and it operates just fine. I didn't have to do anything to the hardware. But if the case were an issue, I have plenty of old PC cases laying around. Not quite as cluttered as Puppet's picture anymore... Ten years ago maybe. I really think they should just go with an off the shelf PC case. Empty space doesn't hurt anything, it's cheap, and it's effective. Then they could make it more aesthetically pleasing, I suppose, without incurring great cost. To me, this simply doesn't matter. I build frankenstein PC's from castoff parts. Sometimes they look terrible, but if they work, who cares? It ain't like we're trying for style points here, it's about the hashing. And as it was shipped, this beastie makes it's specs in all but power consumption.

My only beef, and this could be just because I was sent a unit to evaluate, is the documentation. There wasn't any, except a handwritten note telling me how to log into the machine. I'm not a linux guy, so it took me around two hours to figure everything out. To actually get it working took five minutes, and that was just because I was being careful. With proper docs, this machine is a winner. At this point, unless the thing just goes tits up without warning, it is my intention to buy more miners from AMT as soon as I can afford it. I'm grateful to have been chosen for the free one, but if it were junk I wouldn't throw money at them. It's not. They could improve the casing issue, and should for marketing reasons, but to me it doesn't much matter. What does matter is a functional machine out of the box. I got that. Even at 1.5X power consumption over spec, this machine is making me money. It ain't gonna make me rich, no 80 GH/s machine will, but it's supplementing my job quite nicely, and at a good time too, as I am on leave for a few days while awaiting the birth of my daughter.

They got some serious rough edges on their business practices. I don't see any evidence of deliberate malfeasance here, just people who know more about machines than marketing. If they can successfully resolve that, and I think they will, then AMT will be a serious player. Especially if they can get to shipping from stock or close to it. A week from payment, for instance, would put them ahead of practically everyone. The only competition they would really have is Megabigpower, and they are way overpriced, known to be twitchy, and have had several serious QC issues. That's not a slam, they've been an outstanding company. But I think AMT can beat the hell out of them if they get their front of house in proper order.

I was very neutral towards this company from the beginning. I can't pretend this is still true. I'm not a shill, as I have been quite up front. They sent me free equipment to hopefully boost their image. Not sure how well that worked for them, but it did put me firmly in their camp. Which would not have happened if the equipment was shit. I wish them well, because I want more of their equipment. Well, I also have to admit that I rather like Jim. He's a friendly guy when he's not being hounded.