Again, I feel you.  But I disagree with this:

"Were I a free man, rather than a subject of the Empire, I would be a lot better off both financially and personally."

I fear a mad max world.  

I realize there are many many things that could be better but I have faith in human kind that we will get there.  Here in Colorado we just legalized recreational cannabis for the first time in more than eighty years.  I hold that the future is ours to make as we see fit and old ways do die in favor of change.  I will not lick anybodies boot but I would gladly pay to be licensed as a money transmitter if that is what my state regulators decide I must do.

(I mine and buy bitcoin).

This whole thing is a clever scam, think about it for a minute it's common sense. If you own the hardware that gives you a 10x advantage over the competition and make tons of money why would you ever sell them for pennies on the dollar and significantly decrease your profit?

Those are simple circuits that can be mass produced at large quantities once the design is done, what's happening is they needed money to get the initial order in so they hang a carrot in front of everyone then used preorder money to fund their orders and use the resulting hardware to make a lot of money themselves. You are essentially funding their profit center with a 0% interest rate, by comparison you make the US government look smart....  To keep the mobs down, they ship a few 5 GH/s only boxes to appear legit, which is nothing but a drop in the bucket.  

They will never mass ship those higher boxes in any large quantity until a time when the difficulty makes them irrelevant.  If they were selling the 5GH for $2000 and 50 GH for $15000 then i would at least give them the benefit of the doubt they are legit and focused on hardware sells.  The price they are asking is just a clever way to fund their own hardware.

We have so many smart people here, cant believe most dont realize this. I guess btc does make you go blind...

Not necessarily.  Even if you look at the philanthropy by these billionaires you'll notice often that the use of public funds is either a contingency or ultimate goal.  Again, billionaires benefit from the status quo.    Bitcoin disrupts that and the power they hold.

I empathize with your sentiment.  However those of us who have families and don't want to live on the run as a cowboy-outlaws should probably stick to the rules.

sublime declared treason in a pm to me, which I will not post here.  He is neither registered as an MSB or a money transmitter, just like tradefortress above.  I wonder how many other rule breakers will come and attack me as if I am the one in the wrong... let's see!!

Hey Sublime, do you pay taxes on those profits you earn in your boat business and one the side bitcoin exchange?  Just curious.

Thanks, but at the rate new sites to sell pre-orders are popping up, it seems like it would just be better to make a new site and sell pre-orders, than to actually have the mining equipment on hand to make bitcoins.

LOL.

How many of them are scammers?

I have some nice potential beach front property in Arizona to sell also. California will fall into the ocean soon !


 

Is a ''citizen'' the same as a ''human''?

If the correct answer is ''no'', then you cannot be both a human and a citizen at the same time.

Let me give you an example: is a ''lampshade'' the same as a ''human''. If the correct answer is ''no'', then certainly you cannot be both a human and a lampshade at the same time, can you?

I would like to hear from people (i) believing they are both humans and citizens or (ii) believing a human is the same as a citizen.

Or perhaps, Bitcoin is not compatible to gold, or fiat, because Bitcoin is a new class of its own. Really it isn't as it does not work in any way like the currencies preceded it beyond the analogs of physical gold mining built into it and the ability to spend it for goods and services as a bartering medium.

Barter>Metal>Fiat>Crypto

Although I agree significantly, I'm not really completely convinced that the US has ever been all that angelic.  The Vietnam war and the Latin American activities which transpired during at least part of my early lifetime were pretty repulsive.  It is true, however, that the spoils of our 'activities' have been more evenly distributed in times past.  Of course that does not excuse morally wrong activities, but it does add incentive to not wish to participate.  And as sure as eggs are eggs, an increase in income gap brings with it the need for enhanced internal security apparatus.

The Assange thing knocked Sweden way down no my list of interesting options and elevated Ecuador to near the top.  As best I can tell the actual people of Ecuador themselves had some understanding of the Wikileaks/Assange details, and support their government's actions.  To me this says a lot about the people.  Like most folks though, I've mostly thought about such thing and have made little concrete action.

Someone (human?) living in a city (densely populated area / building saturated area?).

Then if a human lives in a rarely populated area / building unsaturated area, such a human cannot be a citizen (therefore is not a citizen)?

move to a real country . . .

This is an opinion. I asked for facts. I wanted him to tell me what a citizen is factually.

BTW, I find your opinion on what a citizen is 99% in concordance with mine 

and Libertarianism is agnosticism.

Gold is not "money" in the usual meaning because it lacks certain essential and practical features. Bitcoins solves that (and more).

Otherwise you can also say: Dollars are bits on a bank's server. Are bits money? No. So Dollars are not money.

Anyway:
This.

For all of you who missed this, here's Erik's excellent article once again: http://evoorhees.blogspot.com/2013/05/bitcoin-2013-role-of-bitcoin-as-money.html?m=1 ← Read this!

Within such frame work, Aristotle defined the characteristics of a good form of money:

1.) It must be durable. Money must stand the test of time and the elements. It must not fade, corrode, or change through time.

2.) It must be portable. Money hold a high amount of 'worth' relative to its weight and size.

3.) It must be divisible. Money should be relatively easy to separate and re-combine without affecting its fundamental characteristics. An extension of this idea is that the item should be 'fungible'. Dictionary.com describes fungible as:

"(esp. of goods) being of such nature or kind as to be freely exchangeable or replaceable, in whole or in part, for another of like nature or kind."

4.) It must have intrinsic value. This value of money should be independent of any other object and contained in the money itself.

Careful mate, common sense and rationality aren't strong points of bitcointalk.

Dont take any drugs , dont put your health in danger, seriously

The constitution is difficult to change, but it can change (there have been 27 amendments), and those changes are a reflection of our societies views at that point in history.  

How exactly is that not a living document?

I agree with that, but would add the caveat that the Constitution is a living document, and the rules within changes and grows with our society.