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July 10, 2015, 12:37:23 PM
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If a person wants to save, they don't open a god damn thread on an online forum and seek advise on how can you save... and the worst thing is you have described no fucking personal details as all, for an accurate calculation. The best way for any xyz person to save is divide his earnings and remove a portion of his source for savings. Don't touch that money till its a huge amount and spend it on something you NEED, not just want.

Exactly it is as simple as that. Just avoid unwanted expenses or delay them to the next month. And saving requires a great level of discipline and need to follow it right from the dawn to the dark and it totally depends on an individual how he takes care of his expenses.
You can't predict when the unexpected expenses come, so you just need is to get ready for that expenses, and if you are worrying about your savings, don't worry because you are saving for that reasons and not all of your savings are going to spend with only that case.

One of the best first steps I've seen some financial advisers give is to create a CASH emergency fund ASAP.  Some say $1000, some say more.  But it never hurts to have this emergency fund, because you ALWAYS will have things pop up (dental bill, car repair, etc).  Then you dont have to go into debt (use credit cards) to cover these situations, and you always stay ahead of the game.  And if you dont need to use that fund, then great! You're still ahead of the game! It never hurts to have this emergency fund
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July 10, 2015, 02:27:51 PM
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I believe in only spending when it is necessary. The worst is taking loans to buy stuff that depreciate in value. Younger generation these days tend to spend indiscriminately leaving very little for savings. When it comes to saving it's a matter whether one has the discipline to do it.

I think that saving is the most important part of financial management. Saving is earning indeed. The youth does actually spend carelessly on unnecessary items . I agree , that paying back loans is worse than not having things you need.
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July 10, 2015, 05:13:38 PM
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If a person wants to save, they don't open a god damn thread on an online forum and seek advise on how can you save... and the worst thing is you have described no fucking personal details as all, for an accurate calculation. The best way for any xyz person to save is divide his earnings and remove a portion of his source for savings. Don't touch that money till its a huge amount and spend it on something you NEED, not just want.

Exactly it is as simple as that. Just avoid unwanted expenses or delay them to the next month. And saving requires a great level of discipline and need to follow it right from the dawn to the dark and it totally depends on an individual how he takes care of his expenses.
You can't predict when the unexpected expenses come, so you just need is to get ready for that expenses, and if you are worrying about your savings, don't worry because you are saving for that reasons and not all of your savings are going to spend with only that case.

One of the best first steps I've seen some financial advisers give is to create a CASH emergency fund ASAP.  Some say $1000, some say more.  But it never hurts to have this emergency fund, because you ALWAYS will have things pop up (dental bill, car repair, etc).  Then you dont have to go into debt (use credit cards) to cover these situations, and you always stay ahead of the game.  And if you dont need to use that fund, then great! You're still ahead of the game! It never hurts to have this emergency fund
Yes , one of the reasons why you must save, not for only for unwanted expenses like emergencies or different situation that needs money, its also help for your children or relatives to help them when they need a money or you can used your money to invest or make a business.
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July 11, 2015, 02:22:47 AM
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Buy bitcoin and hold!

Come back in a few years!

You seem to be confusing saving and investing there. Judging from your "words" I could say that you are holding and expecting the price to be 3,4 or 5 figures at least. The fact is that saving is different from investing, saving is merely putting your money safe and thats all.
If you are going to save in form of BTC then you should already be aware and able to take the risk due to the volatility . Your saving could be half of the value you put in before or it could be 2x of what you put in . On the other hand , if you are saving with BTC then you could rest assure about the security of it unless it is not connected to the network


"Saving" in Bitcoin is quite attractive for people already saving much money (in order to prevent to pay tax, although here in The Netherlands you're still obligated to fill in your worth in Bitcoin for the tax).

I think you can also see buying Bitcoin as a way of investment because of the volatilty. It's a bit of a gamble whether you are going to make money or loose money. That's the same with investments (with high risks).

You mean; all is hopeless, just give up? Here is a suggestion: Check what obligations, that someone else unilaterally clamp on you, are moral. You may find there is none. Act accordingly.
 
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Here is a savings plan for life:

Use sound money; gold or bitcoin. It they lose value, you can be sure that it is not the man behind the curtain who does it.

Start by setting aside money for one day's food. Expand to a month if you can. Add the value needed for other consumption for a month, rent, clothes, small things. Then increase to two months if you can. Remember, the value you save for one month's consumption, when you save in sound money, will always be good for one month's consumption, even after 40 years. Then a year, then 2 years, then 10 years.At some point you are worn out and unable to work productively, but you still have 20, 30 or more years you need to cover.

For the near end of life aspect, you can associate with some others, for instance 10 or 30 others, and make a mutual deal that when you die, the remaining people in the association get a predifined number of bitcoins or gold coins as inheritance from you. A life insurance like that could reduce the amount you need to save for old age.

If you are competent, you could allocate a fraction of your savings for investing. If you are good at it, you could reach your life savings goal quicker.

If you could save up 50 years of expenses,.of course you could retire early or just spend more later, or just stop saving and spend all you earn as you go.

Always remember to keep quiet about your savings, especially towards agents of the state. They want all of it. They want your money, and promise you a pension, but they have no plan to actually make that possible. All they do, economically, is to push problems far in front, into the distant future - exactly that future that is your old age. (Of course, if you get something back, by all means; take it).

I am old, and I wish I knew about gold when I was young. Happily, I discovered bitcoin.


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July 11, 2015, 03:20:09 AM
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good idea mate. in our country too people follow the same kind of saving techniques. They keep there money in form of provident fund, insurance, and what now. its like a culture here to buy or build houses and then give it on rent.  Cheesy they want to save from everything they can. but then it really does helps in emergency.  Wink
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July 11, 2015, 04:43:16 AM
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good idea mate. in our country too people follow the same kind of saving techniques. They keep there money in form of provident fund, insurance, and what now. its like a culture here to buy or build houses and then give it on rent.  Cheesy they want to save from everything they can. but then it really does helps in emergency.  Wink

Regardless of what your country is, a lot of people use this technique worldwide. There are a lot of people who have invested in real estate and crowded countries like India and China have resulted in good results as people will always need a good place to live and they pay high rent for that. Easy money comes in, no worries at all. That's how the rich keeps getting richer, man.
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July 12, 2015, 02:59:37 PM
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good idea mate. in our country too people follow the same kind of saving techniques. They keep there money in form of provident fund, insurance, and what now. its like a culture here to buy or build houses and then give it on rent.  Cheesy they want to save from everything they can. but then it really does helps in emergency.  Wink
Its a great idea of an author of the books that i have read, but i can't remember what he is name? but that article was steal my sympathy because its so very helpful to the people.
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July 13, 2015, 04:20:30 PM
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If a person wants to save, they don't open a god damn thread on an online forum and seek advise on how can you save... and the worst thing is you have described no fucking personal details as all, for an accurate calculation. The best way for any xyz person to save is divide his earnings and remove a portion of his source for savings. Don't touch that money till its a huge amount and spend it on something you NEED, not just want.

Okay first of all calm down . In order to save money  in the way you have explained takes a huge amount of commitment . Secondly, it is not that secure for xyz person to save it in that way. 'Dont touch that money'  I thinkk you're suggesting keeping the saved portion at your home till the amount is huge? I don't think it is a good idea. And the OP said the exact same line you said.
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July 14, 2015, 02:03:54 PM
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Saving money in Bitcoins is only adviceble if you can save tax with it. In countries like Germany, for example, if you hold Bitcoins for at least one year all gains you made by the Bitcoin investment are totally tax free.
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July 14, 2015, 07:19:32 PM
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Most people will never be responsible with money. They don't understand it, and certainly don't respect it. That is why wealth flows from the irresponsible many to the responsible few. And that is how it should be.

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July 14, 2015, 09:35:40 PM
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Most people will never be responsible with money. They don't understand it, and certainly don't respect it. That is why wealth flows from the irresponsible many to the responsible few. And that is how it should be.

Couldn't agree more. Most people aren't really responsible with their spending habits; they tend to follow their "wants" more instead of their "needs." If you look on the biography on most of the rich people, you will see that most of them came from nothing but thrived hard and struggled until they reached their riches and wealth. If only people will be responsible on how they spend their money and where would they spend it, I think there would be many rich people than there are poor.

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July 15, 2015, 01:29:16 PM
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Most people will never be responsible with money. They don't understand it, and certainly don't respect it. That is why wealth flows from the irresponsible many to the responsible few. And that is how it should be.

Couldn't agree more. Most people aren't really responsible with their spending habits; they tend to follow their "wants" more instead of their "needs." If you look on the biography on most of the rich people, you will see that most of them came from nothing but thrived hard and struggled until they reached their riches and wealth. If only people will be responsible on how they spend their money and where would they spend it, I think there would be many rich people than there are poor.

Another interesting note is that most wealthy people learn to live below their means, and CONTINUE to do that even after becoming rich (say a millionaire).  They will continue to drive say a Honda when they could easily buy a mercedes.  They know basic money principals and know that the price drop on a new mercedes makes it a HEAVILY depreciating asset.  They arent interested in those.  A depreciating asset that loses 30k in value in 3-4 years is a bad idea for anyone, wealthy or not.  They instead continue to drive a cheaper car, and use the savings to invest and make more.
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July 15, 2015, 01:55:31 PM
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They instead continue to drive a cheaper car, and use the savings to invest and make more.

the many diffrence that they use Leasing (long time location) ... instead of buying.
that why, this owner change car every ... year instead of keeping a car like 8-10 years.

so, the rich people have new "plates" ... in my country.  Grin
poor people have a old car with ... old plates.
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July 15, 2015, 02:11:26 PM
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Most people will never be responsible with money. They don't understand it, and certainly don't respect it. That is why wealth flows from the irresponsible many to the responsible few. And that is how it should be.

Not entirely true. The richest 1% in the world are just greedy banksters and swallow up everything for themselves by explotiing the poor and those who lend money from them. Many people live in poverty throughout the world without any hope of changing their life and that's not always their fault.

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July 15, 2015, 02:23:05 PM
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Most people will never be responsible with money. They don't understand it, and certainly don't respect it. That is why wealth flows from the irresponsible many to the responsible few. And that is how it should be.

Not entirely true. The richest 1% in the world are just greedy banksters and swallow up everything for themselves by explotiing the poor and those who lend money from them. Many people live in poverty throughout the world without any hope of changing their life and that's not always their fault.

That is true.  The way people need to see it is that the bankers and the governments of the world are like the house in a casino...and the house ALWAYS wins.  No matter what the scenario, the bankers ALWAYS win, and ALWAYS maintain their wealth.  They get bailed out, they are protected.  They are the "shadow government" that controls most everything, and they ALWAYS win...

Like one of the rothschilds once famously said: "Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws!"
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July 15, 2015, 05:43:13 PM
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Most people will never be responsible with money. They don't understand it, and certainly don't respect it. That is why wealth flows from the irresponsible many to the responsible few. And that is how it should be.

Not entirely true. The richest 1% in the world are just greedy banksters and swallow up everything for themselves by explotiing the poor and those who lend money from them. Many people live in poverty throughout the world without any hope of changing their life and that's not always their fault.

But if you save money with a proper planning than there situation would not arise to ask money from others. And that is what we are discussing here. No doubt richer are getting richest and poor are getting more poor that is the situation in my country. So saving money requires a great level of discipline.
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July 15, 2015, 05:49:28 PM
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Most people will never be responsible with money. They don't understand it, and certainly don't respect it. That is why wealth flows from the irresponsible many to the responsible few. And that is how it should be.

Not entirely true. The richest 1% in the world are just greedy banksters and swallow up everything for themselves by explotiing the poor and those who lend money from them. Many people live in poverty throughout the world without any hope of changing their life and that's not always their fault.

But if you save money with a proper planning than there situation would not arise to ask money from others. And that is what we are discussing here. No doubt richer are getting richest and poor are getting more poor that is the situation in my country. So saving money requires a great level of discipline.

The problem is no amount of discipline will help you if your housing costs are say over 50% of your income.  This is becoming the case for a lot of people.

The same goes for student loans, which are becoming the #1 bill for a lot of 20 somethign graduates.  Its a huge holdup for gaining financial freedom when these loans follow you til your 40.

Also, no discipline can help upon job loss.  Yes planning can HELP, but if you deplete all savings in the process of finding a new job you are right back at square one.
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July 15, 2015, 09:54:45 PM
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Saving money is about discipline, hard work, and self education.  Easy way to save money is think of something you buy regularly either every day, or week and don't need and cut that out.  One thing that comes to mind is cigarettes, and alcohol. 
Some other off the top of my head thoughts:

  • Pay off all debts first!  I see student loans mentioned a bunch, and it is unfortunate that that cost hinders people, but with a college education you should earn enough to pay these off in a reasonable time frame.
  • Bargain shop for groceries, and buy things in bulk like canned foods, and food from markets.
  • Drink tap water rather than buying expensive drinks.
  • Don't eat out as often, and make sandwiches etc.
  • Figure out your monthly budget, and allocate 20% devoted to savings, or some form of savings.  Like OP says divide this into 10% emergency fund, and 10% for investments IRA, or just some Mutual Fund/ETF you can let compound.
  • It may take stepping out of your comfort zone temporarily, and working two jobs if your situation is bad. But, it could also speed up paying off debts, and be worth it in the long run.
  • Last one I thought of is don't reproduce if you are having trouble providing for yourself alone.  Kids are expensive!

I am not a professional financial adviser, but I do think some of saving money is common sense.  Also there are plenty of tips available online, and if you can visit a Bitcoin forum i'm sure you can find those too! Best of luck to those trying to save more.

 




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Lock your money up so you won't change your mind and try to spend it all
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