Why do Atheists Hate Religion?

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[dippididodaday]

But you don't live this way. You live among other people, the majority of whom are theists to some extent at least.

You say majority of people among whom people live are theists to some extent. Can you explain what you mean by 'to some extent' and 'at least'?

[RoomBot]

Oh, noes!  @BADecker is in trouble now!

[BADecker]

Oh, noes!  @BADecker is in trouble now!

Actually, God prefers salvation over everything else. If a hateful Christian is saved, God wants it. But atheists don't have any chance to be saved as long as they remain in their atheism.

[Racey]

If you lived out in the mountain woods, completely away from other people so that you never heard of God, you would still get the feeling of God from the things you saw in nature

I lived like this for three years, I got a complete picture of how it all related to me, and it was nothing to do with religion.
I was ten years of age.

That is all, no elaboration on this, except I am, who I am because.
Different strokes for different folks, isn't that the truth.

Still 10, right?     

Don't be a dick again, can you not read. I was ten.

[BADecker]

If you lived out in the mountain woods, completely away from other people so that you never heard of God, you would still get the feeling of God from the things you saw in nature

I lived like this for three years, I got a complete picture of how it all related to me, and it was nothing to do with religion.
I was ten years of age.

That is all, no elaboration on this, except I am, who I am because.
Different strokes for different folks, isn't that the truth.

Still 10, right?     

Don't be a dick again, can you not read. I was ten.

If you are still 10, you are still a dick. If you are older, you are simply a bigger one.

[Racey]

You are now invisible.

[Trading]

It's not a question of hate. Just dislike.

Reasons to dislike religion? That's a hard one... having to choose...

Let me check again the good book... I guess I could just open it on any blind page and I would find a reason.

But let's pick a good one:

"No one born of a forbidden marriage nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, not even in the tenth generation." or
"If a person is illegitimate by birth, neither he nor his descendants for ten generations may be admitted to the assembly of the LORD"
Deuteronomy 23:2 (check different translations here: http://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/23-2.htm)

Yes, you read it well. If up to about the year 1700, one of your ascendants was born out of marriage or from a forbidden marriage, you are going straight to hell, no matter what all of them did after or you did in your entire life.

Well, up to the tenth generation, you have 1024 ascendants. If only one of them was a bastard, you are nailed.

Moreover, since the text isn't clear ("not even in the tenth generation"), you might not be off the hook even if you have ten clean generations. No where the text says that at the eleven generation everything will be alright again.

Good luck.

[dippididodaday]

It's not a question of hate. Just dislike.

Reasons to dislike religion? That's a hard one... having to choose...

Let me check again the good book... I guess I could just open it on any blind page and I would find a reason.

But let's pick a good one:

"No one born of a forbidden marriage nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, not even in the tenth generation." or
"If a person is illegitimate by birth, neither he nor his descendants for ten generations may be admitted to the assembly of the LORD"
Deuteronomy 23:2 (check different translations here: http://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/23-2.htm)

Yes, you read it well. If up to about the year 1700, one of your ascendants was born out of marriage or from a forbidden marriage, you are going straight to hell, no matter what all of them did after or you did in your entire life.

Well, up to the tenth generation, you have 1024 ascendants. If only one of them was a bastard, you are nailed.

Moreover, since the text isn't clear ("not even in the tenth generation"), you might not be off the hook even if you have ten clean generations. No where the text says that at the eleven generation everything will be alright again.

Good luck.

Lol, the good book -  hehehe, that's funny.

Yeah it seems to me its all about genes > the good ones and the bad ones > gotta keep the good ones pure.

[BADecker]

It's not a question of hate. Just dislike.

Reasons to dislike religion? That's a hard one... having to choose...

Let me check again the good book... I guess I could just open it on any blind page and I would find a reason.

But let's pick a good one:

"No one born of a forbidden marriage nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, not even in the tenth generation." or
"If a person is illegitimate by birth, neither he nor his descendants for ten generations may be admitted to the assembly of the LORD"
Deuteronomy 23:2 (check different translations here: http://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/23-2.htm)

Yes, you read it well. If up to about the year 1700, one of your ascendants was born out of marriage or from a forbidden marriage, you are going straight to hell, no matter what all of them did after or you did in your entire life.

Well, up to the tenth generation, you have 1024 ascendants. If only one of them was a bastard, you are nailed.

Moreover, since the text isn't clear ("not even in the tenth generation"), you might not be off the hook even if you have ten clean generations. No where the text says that at the eleven generation everything will be alright again.

Good luck.

The passage you quoted was for the religion/government of ancient Israel. It doesn't have anything to do with salvation, but only with being part of the nation (assembly).

Since Jesus came and did His work of salvation, and since the passage you quoted was part of the ceremonial and governmental regs, it isn't really even for the Israel people of today, to say nothing of not being for anyone else.

However, if you keep on being dishonest about it, none of this will matter to you. Why not? The whole Bible and Israel thing is about salvation for eternal life. And you simply won't make it.

[helloeverybody]

It's not a question of hate. Just dislike.

Reasons to dislike religion? That's a hard one... having to choose...

Let me check again the good book... I guess I could just open it on any blind page and I would find a reason.

But let's pick a good one:

"No one born of a forbidden marriage nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, not even in the tenth generation." or
"If a person is illegitimate by birth, neither he nor his descendants for ten generations may be admitted to the assembly of the LORD"
Deuteronomy 23:2 (check different translations here: http://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/23-2.htm)

Yes, you read it well. If up to about the year 1700, one of your ascendants was born out of marriage or from a forbidden marriage, you are going straight to hell, no matter what all of them did after or you did in your entire life.

Well, up to the tenth generation, you have 1024 ascendants. If only one of them was a bastard, you are nailed.

Moreover, since the text isn't clear ("not even in the tenth generation"), you might not be off the hook even if you have ten clean generations. No where the text says that at the eleven generation everything will be alright again.

Good luck.

Thats me totally  screwed then,  oh well i might as well go out and do some raping and pillaging since I'm going to hell anyways. I don't know why they even changed from the old testament,  thats what originally written so surely that's what we should follow.  I mean its outrageous that I'm not even allowed to beat my slaves anymore.

[BADecker]

It's not a question of hate. Just dislike.

Reasons to dislike religion? That's a hard one... having to choose...

Let me check again the good book... I guess I could just open it on any blind page and I would find a reason.

But let's pick a good one:

"No one born of a forbidden marriage nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, not even in the tenth generation." or
"If a person is illegitimate by birth, neither he nor his descendants for ten generations may be admitted to the assembly of the LORD"
Deuteronomy 23:2 (check different translations here: http://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/23-2.htm)

Yes, you read it well. If up to about the year 1700, one of your ascendants was born out of marriage or from a forbidden marriage, you are going straight to hell, no matter what all of them did after or you did in your entire life.

Well, up to the tenth generation, you have 1024 ascendants. If only one of them was a bastard, you are nailed.

Moreover, since the text isn't clear ("not even in the tenth generation"), you might not be off the hook even if you have ten clean generations. No where the text says that at the eleven generation everything will be alright again.

Good luck.

Thats me totally  screwed then,  oh well i might as well go out and do some raping and pillaging since I'm going to hell anyways. I don't know why they even changed from the old testament,  thats what originally written so surely that's what we should follow.  I mean its outrageous that I'm not even allowed to beat my slaves anymore.

In God's sight, even one sin is enough for damnation. And we all have sinned many times. This means that you have a chance to get to Heaven through Jesus salvation, just like all the other people who believe. Turn to God for salvation through Jesus, now, while you have the chance... and avoid the damnation.

[helloeverybody]

It's not a question of hate. Just dislike.

Reasons to dislike religion? That's a hard one... having to choose...

Let me check again the good book... I guess I could just open it on any blind page and I would find a reason.

But let's pick a good one:

"No one born of a forbidden marriage nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, not even in the tenth generation." or
"If a person is illegitimate by birth, neither he nor his descendants for ten generations may be admitted to the assembly of the LORD"
Deuteronomy 23:2 (check different translations here: http://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/23-2.htm)

Yes, you read it well. If up to about the year 1700, one of your ascendants was born out of marriage or from a forbidden marriage, you are going straight to hell, no matter what all of them did after or you did in your entire life.

Well, up to the tenth generation, you have 1024 ascendants. If only one of them was a bastard, you are nailed.

Moreover, since the text isn't clear ("not even in the tenth generation"), you might not be off the hook even if you have ten clean generations. No where the text says that at the eleven generation everything will be alright again.

Good luck.

Thats me totally  screwed then,  oh well i might as well go out and do some raping and pillaging since I'm going to hell anyways. I don't know why they even changed from the old testament,  thats what originally written so surely that's what we should follow.  I mean its outrageous that I'm not even allowed to beat my slaves anymore.

In God's sight, even one sin is enough for damnation. And we all have sinned many times. This means that you have a chance to get to Heaven through Jesus salvation, just like all the other people who believe. Turn to God for salvation through Jesus, now, while you have the chance... and avoid the damnation.

So what's the story with the old and new testement then?  If your following the new one then aren't you following the wrong one since its been edited loads of times by random people who have decided what they want to change?  Surely the original is the most historically accurate?

[BADecker]

It's not a question of hate. Just dislike.

Reasons to dislike religion? That's a hard one... having to choose...

Let me check again the good book... I guess I could just open it on any blind page and I would find a reason.

But let's pick a good one:

"No one born of a forbidden marriage nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, not even in the tenth generation." or
"If a person is illegitimate by birth, neither he nor his descendants for ten generations may be admitted to the assembly of the LORD"
Deuteronomy 23:2 (check different translations here: http://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/23-2.htm)

Yes, you read it well. If up to about the year 1700, one of your ascendants was born out of marriage or from a forbidden marriage, you are going straight to hell, no matter what all of them did after or you did in your entire life.

Well, up to the tenth generation, you have 1024 ascendants. If only one of them was a bastard, you are nailed.

Moreover, since the text isn't clear ("not even in the tenth generation"), you might not be off the hook even if you have ten clean generations. No where the text says that at the eleven generation everything will be alright again.

Good luck.

Thats me totally  screwed then,  oh well i might as well go out and do some raping and pillaging since I'm going to hell anyways. I don't know why they even changed from the old testament,  thats what originally written so surely that's what we should follow.  I mean its outrageous that I'm not even allowed to beat my slaves anymore.

In God's sight, even one sin is enough for damnation. And we all have sinned many times. This means that you have a chance to get to Heaven through Jesus salvation, just like all the other people who believe. Turn to God for salvation through Jesus, now, while you have the chance... and avoid the damnation.

So what's the story with the old and new testement then?  If your following the new one then aren't you following the wrong one since its been edited loads of times by random people who have decided what they want to change?  Surely the original is the most historically accurate?

The Bible is God's Word to mankind telling about salvation. God has seen to it that His Word is accurate. If you can find some of the originals, we would be interested. The best we might have is a few scraps from some of the originals of the New Testament. But we are not sure, and probably we don't.

[helloeverybody]

So what's the story with the old and new testement then?  If your following the new one then aren't you following the wrong one since its been edited loads of times by random people who have decided what they want to change?  Surely the original is the most historically accurate?

The Bible is God's Word to mankind telling about salvation. God has seen to it that His Word is accurate. If you can find some of the originals, we would be interested. The best we might have is a few scraps from some of the originals of the New Testament. But we are not sure, and probably we don't.

I see.  I thought they found the whole old testament intact in some cave and then at a later date just decided to edit it to not sound so bad and so wrote the new testament.  But your Saying theres only a few pages and so most must be made up?  I will need to Google this.

[dippididodaday]

speaking of old- and new testaments. It looks to me Jews and Arabs stick with the first 5 or so of the 'old testament' even in varied form, altered and adjusted to their liking, while the Christians like the 'new testament' guite a lot since this is where Jesus came to save the day. What is interesting about all 3 of these religions - Judaism, Islam and Christianity is if you look at the males in these religions they all have these head coverings on; they do it because they are exceptionally exclusive. That is also the reason why it is so difficult to reason with these people - they know it all, and only they do and only they are right all of the time.

[BADecker]

So what's the story with the old and new testement then?  If your following the new one then aren't you following the wrong one since its been edited loads of times by random people who have decided what they want to change?  Surely the original is the most historically accurate?

The Bible is God's Word to mankind telling about salvation. God has seen to it that His Word is accurate. If you can find some of the originals, we would be interested. The best we might have is a few scraps from some of the originals of the New Testament. But we are not sure, and probably we don't.

I see.  I thought they found the whole old testament intact in some cave and then at a later date just decided to edit it to not sound so bad and so wrote the new testament.  But your Saying theres only a few pages and so most must be made up?  I will need to Google this.

Nope. That's not what I am saying. And that isn't the way it is. In fact, it is just the opposite.

The Hebrew nation, the Hebrews/Israelites/Jews are some of the most stubborn people around. The scribes among them copied the O.T. extremely accurately from generation to generation, partially because of their stubbornness. The cave findings from more than 2,000 years ago show that they were extremely accurate scribes over the last 2,000 years. There is no reason to believe that they were less accurate scribes before that.

Since the majority of Christians in the first hundred years after the N.T. was written, were Jews, the same accuracy applies to the N.T., since they were the ones who got it going, and who kept it accurate, even though they lost their status as a nation.

Of course, after the printing press, it was reasonably easy to keep it accurate.

[Trading]

Since, this time, the post at least had some sense and can suggest my post wasn't accurate, I'll add this:

The term Assembly of God (Congregation of God on the King James translation) doesn't mean nation or people of Israel.

When the Torah wants to designate the people of Israel calls it Assembly of Israel (for instance, Joshua 8:35; 1 Kings 8:14; Deuteronomy 31:30), not Assembly of God.

The Torah uses the term Assembly of God with the meaning of saved ones: "You have come to the assembly of God's firstborn children, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God himself, who is the judge over all things. You have come to the spirits of the righteous ones in heaven who have now been made perfect" (Hebrews 12:23; New Living Translation); or "To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect" (Hebrews 12:23; King James).

Moreover, Deuteronomy 23:3, says that the "An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD", because "they hired against thee Balaam the son of Beor of Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse thee" (Deuteronomy 23:4). But "the LORD thy God turned the curse into a blessing unto thee, because the LORD thy God loved thee" (Deuteronomy 23:5).

So, god blesses and loves the Israelites, but not the Ammonite or Moabite. They can never enter the Assembly of God. They will go to hell.

The same is said explicitly on Ezekiel 25:2 "Son of man, set your face against the Ammonites and prophesy against them." and Ezekiel 25:7 "therefore I will stretch out my hand against you and give you as plunder to the nations. I will wipe you out from among the nations and exterminate you from the countries. I will destroy you, and you will know that I am the LORD.'"

Therefore, god will destroy the Ammonite (and Moabite). They won't be saved and will go to hell.

Since this was the meaning about these fellows, of course, the same applied to bastards/people born from a forbidden marriage up to the tenth generation.

This interpretation is confirmed by the practice of excommunicating Jews that refused to divorce their foreign wifes (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interfaith_marriage_in_Judaism#In_the_Bible).

The same can be concluded from Nehemiah 10: 29 and 30 ("bind themselves with a curse" to "not to give our daughters in marriage to the peoples around us or take their daughters for our sons") or from Malachi 2:11.

Of course, the rule of the ten generations wasn't applied. They would have to be crazy to apply it. But that was the good book rule.

No doubt, currently, this interpretation isn't consensual. Some call the Assembly of God a kind of political or religious body and not the saved chosen ones, in order to try to avoid the natural (terrible) and traditional sense of this rule.

But those are modern reinterpretations of terrible rules.

In any case, it's consensual that Assembly of God doesn't mean the Israelites.

But I'm going to be more polite and assume that the contrary post was determined by ignorance, not dishonesty.

On the enlargement by Jesus of salvation to all believers, Jews laugh out and say all Christians will burn on hell for believing on a false prophet.

And, nevertheless, the Old Testament is part of the bible, accepted by Christians, so they have to acknowledge these terrible statements that were adopted and even partly applied during centuries before Jesus in the name of the same god.

[BADecker]

Since, this time, the post at least had some sense and can suggest my post wasn't accurate, I'll add this:

The term Assembly of God (Congregation of God on the King James translation) doesn't mean nation or people of Israel.

When the Torah wants to designate the people of Israel calls it Assembly of Israel (for instance, Joshua 8:35; 1 Kings 8:14; Deuteronomy 31:30), not Assembly of God.

The Torah uses the term Assembly of God with the meaning of saved ones: "You have come to the assembly of God's firstborn children, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God himself, who is the judge over all things. You have come to the spirits of the righteous ones in heaven who have now been made perfect" (Hebrews 12:23; New Living Translation); or "To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect" (Hebrews 12:23; King James).

Moreover, Deuteronomy 23:3, says that the "An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD", because "they hired against thee Balaam the son of Beor of Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse thee" (Deuteronomy 23:4). But "the LORD thy God turned the curse into a blessing unto thee, because the LORD thy God loved thee" (Deuteronomy 23:5).

So, god blesses and loves the Israelites, but not the Ammonite or Moabite. They can never enter the Assembly of God. They will go to hell.

The same is said explicitly on Ezekiel 25:2 "Son of man, set your face against the Ammonites and prophesy against them." and Ezekiel 25:7 "therefore I will stretch out my hand against you and give you as plunder to the nations. I will wipe you out from among the nations and exterminate you from the countries. I will destroy you, and you will know that I am the LORD.'"

Therefore, god will destroy the Ammonite (and Moabite). They won't be saved and will go to hell.

Since this was the meaning about these fellows, of course, the same applied to bastards/people born from a forbidden marriage up to the tenth generation.

This interpretation is confirmed by the practice of excommunicating Jews that refused to divorce their foreign wifes (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interfaith_marriage_in_Judaism#In_the_Bible).

The same can be concluded from Nehemiah 10: 29 and 30 ("bind themselves with a curse" to "not to give our daughters in marriage to the peoples around us or take their daughters for our sons") or from Malachi 2:11.

Of course, the rule of the ten generations wasn't applied. They would have to be crazy to apply it. But that was the good book rule.

No doubt, currently, this interpretation isn't consensual. Some call the Assembly of God a kind of political or religious body and not the saved chosen ones, in order to try to avoid the natural (terrible) and traditional sense of this rule.

But those are modern reinterpretations of terrible rules.

In any case, it's consensual that Assembly of God doesn't mean the Israelites.

But I'm going to be more polite and assume that the post was determined by ignorance, not dishonesty.

On the enlargement by Jesus of salvation to all believers, Jews laugh out and say all Christians will burn on hell for believing on a false prophet.

And, nevertheless, the Old Testament is part of the bible, accepted by Christians, so they have to acknowledge these terrible statements that were adopted and even partly applied during centuries before Jesus in the name of the same god.

So, what is an Ammorite or Moabite? If you leave the nation, drop the practices, set your mind to seek God, take up the practices of Israel, and totally forsake anything Ammorite or Moabite, you are not an Ammonite or Moabite. Consider the book of Ruth. Ruth was a Moabitess, yet King David was her great-grandson. If you think she wasn't saved, you are totally missing the thing that brings about salvation... faith.

God is seeking those who worship Him in spirit and truth. Salvation doesn't depend on genetics.

Saint Paul says there will come a time when all Israel will come in, meaning, that Israel has turned away from God in their rejection of their Messiah, who is Jesus.

The O.T. exists. Are Christians supposed to deny that fact? The story of how God prepared Israel as a nation for the coming of Jesus, the Messiah, is there for all to accept. The moral law is for all to accept because all people are still people. The directives for Israel found in the O.T. ceremonial and governmental laws are for Israel and for those who want to do them. Christians are not required to do O.T. ceremonial and governmental laws.

[Trading]

    Enjoy your luck to be alive like if you had a chance on a trillion of quadrillions to be born, since your actual odds were even worst than these.

   Make the most of life like if it was a single drop of water tumbling on your thirsty lips on an infinite desert.

   Value every day of it as if you were on a death row, because you are; you just have a wonderful cell and no one told you yet when it's going to be your turn.

   You think your real life is going to start with your death? Really?

   From death, better expect nothing more than nothing, for eternity.

   Repent, believers, turn atheists, before is too late!