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March 01, 2016, 07:31:01 PM
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One might be able to measure air. And one might be able to see the effects of wind. But one can barely measure the wind at all... a little in its average speed or temperature in an area.

It is the same with God. Since the combined scientific laws of cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy, have proven that God exists, all one need do to detect and measure aspects of God is to detect and measure aspects of the universe.

Perhaps when people can finally think out the math of more that 6 dimensions clearly, they will be able to find ways of "seeing" and measuring the soul.

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You keep telling shit about your freaking "laws" without ever giving out a correct definition for entropy...

Where do I tell anybody about my laws? If I do, I barely do.

Entropy, complex universe, and cause and effect are standard science laws. If you knew how to use the Internet, you would have been able to look these laws up yourself. What, does your mommy do your typing for you?

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Stop the bullshit. You keep talking about entropy as the proof that complexity can only decrease. Which is not the case!

You make 2 enormous mistakes in your reasonning at least:
1/ You don't define complexity neither entropy with precise word which means your reasoning is pointless
2/ you use physics laws with incomplete understanding of the notions implied.

Keep on with the BS. This will continually prove how retarded you are, by the things that you say.

1. You don't look up enough of the standard definitions of entropy so that you even know what entropy is.
2. You don't even look at physics law so that you can understand their implications.

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March 01, 2016, 08:18:58 PM
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One might be able to measure air. And one might be able to see the effects of wind. But one can barely measure the wind at all... a little in its average speed or temperature in an area.

It is the same with God. Since the combined scientific laws of cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy, have proven that God exists, all one need do to detect and measure aspects of God is to detect and measure aspects of the universe.

Perhaps when people can finally think out the math of more that 6 dimensions clearly, they will be able to find ways of "seeing" and measuring the soul.

Cool

You keep telling shit about your freaking "laws" without ever giving out a correct definition for entropy...

Where do I tell anybody about my laws? If I do, I barely do.

Entropy, complex universe, and cause and effect are standard science laws. If you knew how to use the Internet, you would have been able to look these laws up yourself. What, does your mommy do your typing for you?

Cool

Stop the bullshit. You keep talking about entropy as the proof that complexity can only decrease. Which is not the case!

You make 2 enormous mistakes in your reasonning at least:
1/ You don't define complexity neither entropy with precise word which means your reasoning is pointless
2/ you use physics laws with incomplete understanding of the notions implied.

Keep on with the BS. This will continually prove how retarded you are, by the things that you say.

1. You don't look up enough of the standard definitions of entropy so that you even know what entropy is.
2. You don't even look at physics law so that you can understand their implications.

Cool

I think most of the BS is coming from your corner.


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March 02, 2016, 07:42:41 AM
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One might be able to measure air. And one might be able to see the effects of wind. But one can barely measure the wind at all... a little in its average speed or temperature in an area.

It is the same with God. Since the combined scientific laws of cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy, have proven that God exists, all one need do to detect and measure aspects of God is to detect and measure aspects of the universe.

Perhaps when people can finally think out the math of more that 6 dimensions clearly, they will be able to find ways of "seeing" and measuring the soul.

Cool

You keep telling shit about your freaking "laws" without ever giving out a correct definition for entropy...

Where do I tell anybody about my laws? If I do, I barely do.

Entropy, complex universe, and cause and effect are standard science laws. If you knew how to use the Internet, you would have been able to look these laws up yourself. What, does your mommy do your typing for you?

Cool

Stop the bullshit. You keep talking about entropy as the proof that complexity can only decrease. Which is not the case!

You make 2 enormous mistakes in your reasonning at least:
1/ You don't define complexity neither entropy with precise word which means your reasoning is pointless
2/ you use physics laws with incomplete understanding of the notions implied.

Keep on with the BS. This will continually prove how retarded you are, by the things that you say.

1. You don't look up enough of the standard definitions of entropy so that you even know what entropy is.
2. You don't even look at physics law so that you can understand their implications.

Cool

I think most of the BS is coming from your corner.

Anybody who is against the laws of science might think like you do. Since most of the theoretical scientists are against the laws of science - that's why they are theorists, to see if they can't somehow break the science laws we already have - you have lots of scientific company.

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March 02, 2016, 08:04:12 AM
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Does anyone else find it ironic that BADecker will (re)define every word from Atheist to Theory, but refuses to define his "proof that God exists" even once?
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March 02, 2016, 09:45:04 AM
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Does anyone else find it ironic that BADecker will (re)define every word from Atheist to Theory, but refuses to define his "proof that God exists" even once?

Or "complexity".

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March 02, 2016, 05:21:24 PM
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Does anyone else find it ironic that BADecker will (re)define every word from Atheist to Theory, but refuses to define his "proof that God exists" even once?

Or "complexity".


But it is very obvious that atheists will avoid looking at and using the dictionary definitions, and the scientific laws that prove that God exists. They would rather tell lies about theists to promote their stupidity. In fact, they can't even see that by promoting atheism they are setting themselves up as gods, claiming that they have God-like authority to make accurate atheistic claims.

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March 02, 2016, 06:46:38 PM
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Does anyone else find it ironic that BADecker will (re)define every word from Atheist to Theory, but refuses to define his "proof that God exists" even once?

Or "complexity".


But it is very obvious that atheists will avoid looking at and using the dictionary definitions, and the scientific laws that prove that God exists. They would rather tell lies about theists to promote their stupidity. In fact, they can't even see that by promoting atheism they are setting themselves up as gods, claiming that they have God-like authority to make accurate atheistic claims.

Cool

We would love to do that, but you simply refuse the definition!

entropy: A thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system’s thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system

Which means there is NO LINK with complexity! Only with order or randomness. But you don't give a fuck about this official definition...
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March 02, 2016, 07:30:57 PM
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Does anyone else find it ironic that BADecker will (re)define every word from Atheist to Theory, but refuses to define his "proof that God exists" even once?

Or "complexity".


But it is very obvious that atheists will avoid looking at and using the dictionary definitions, and the scientific laws that prove that God exists. They would rather tell lies about theists to promote their stupidity. In fact, they can't even see that by promoting atheism they are setting themselves up as gods, claiming that they have God-like authority to make accurate atheistic claims.

Cool

We would love to do that, but you simply refuse the definition!

entropy: A thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system’s thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system

Which means there is NO LINK with complexity! Only with order or randomness. But you don't give a fuck about this official definition...

He cannot define it because it is not in the Bible.

BSDecker, you should just concentrate on the Bible and forget all the science stuff. 

Science is confusing the issues for you.  If you just stay focused on the Bible, you will be able to live your life like Jesus.  You know, broken sandals, rags for clothes, beard and long hair, no money etc.  Spend weeks in the desert, get together with your other hippy, gay friends, maybe smoke a joint or poke each other.  Get high and go to heaven and back.

Why do you need to prove that God exist?  You (and more than 2 billion people like you) believe it without any scientific proof, why bother if it is true or not, you have shown us that you don't care if it is true.
You'll believe it no matter what.

Praise the Lord and pass the bullets!!! Wink




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March 02, 2016, 08:07:10 PM
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Does anyone else find it ironic that BADecker will (re)define every word from Atheist to Theory, but refuses to define his "proof that God exists" even once?

Or "complexity".


But it is very obvious that atheists will avoid looking at and using the dictionary definitions, and the scientific laws that prove that God exists. They would rather tell lies about theists to promote their stupidity. In fact, they can't even see that by promoting atheism they are setting themselves up as gods, claiming that they have God-like authority to make accurate atheistic claims.

Cool

We would love to do that, but you simply refuse the definition!

entropy: A thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system’s thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system

Which means there is NO LINK with complexity! Only with order or randomness. But you don't give a fuck about this official definition...

Now, now. Relax. Your use of expletives shows that you are having trouble understanding even the things that you write.

Did you make that definition up? I see no reference for it.

Tell me what part of the universe or nature exists without thermodynamic energy. Even absolute zero is only theoretical, since nobody has been able to confirm that they have attained it in the lab, or found it in nature.

Look in your definition, above. A "degree of disorder" is a dissolving/dispersing/dissipating/diffusing of thermodynamic energy. Since thermodynamic energy is in everything, entropy is a dissolving/dispersing/dissipating/diffusing of of everything. When you have complexity, if it is dissolved/dispersed/dissipated/diffused, it becomes less complex. This is happening all the time in the universe around us.

The term "randomness" in your definition is misleading. Randomness as we understand it pertains to our guesswork of how tiny quantities of material and/or energy might be working. This is what quantum mechanics is all about. Because we are so limited in our abilities, we can't measure all the forces and energies that act on anything. In the lab, we might think that we have, if that is what we are really trying to do, like with microcalorimetric functions. But even there we can't be sure. This is why quantum mechanics is a probability operation, rather than a reality operation.

True randomness doesn't exist. Everything acts according to the laws of cause and effect as upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. There is no random in the universe outside of our own usage of a virtual random because we are so inadequate in understanding the precision works of the laws of the universe.

What are you going to do now? Are you going to attempt to prove your ignorance more than you have already?

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March 02, 2016, 09:35:34 PM
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Does anyone else find it ironic that BADecker will (re)define every word from Atheist to Theory, but refuses to define his "proof that God exists" even once?

Or "complexity".


But it is very obvious that atheists will avoid looking at and using the dictionary definitions, and the scientific laws that prove that God exists. They would rather tell lies about theists to promote their stupidity. In fact, they can't even see that by promoting atheism they are setting themselves up as gods, claiming that they have God-like authority to make accurate atheistic claims.

Cool

We would love to do that, but you simply refuse the definition!

entropy: A thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system’s thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system

Which means there is NO LINK with complexity! Only with order or randomness. But you don't give a fuck about this official definition...

Now, now. Relax. Your use of expletives shows that you are having trouble understanding even the things that you write.

Did you make that definition up? I see no reference for it.

Tell me what part of the universe or nature exists without thermodynamic energy. Even absolute zero is only theoretical, since nobody has been able to confirm that they have attained it in the lab, or found it in nature.

Look in your definition, above. A "degree of disorder" is a dissolving/dispersing/dissipating/diffusing of thermodynamic energy. Since thermodynamic energy is in everything, entropy is a dissolving/dispersing/dissipating/diffusing of of everything. When you have complexity, if it is dissolved/dispersed/dissipated/diffused, it becomes less complex. This is happening all the time in the universe around us.

The term "randomness" in your definition is misleading. Randomness as we understand it pertains to our guesswork of how tiny quantities of material and/or energy might be working. This is what quantum mechanics is all about. Because we are so limited in our abilities, we can't measure all the forces and energies that act on anything. In the lab, we might think that we have, if that is what we are really trying to do, like with microcalorimetric functions. But even there we can't be sure. This is why quantum mechanics is a probability operation, rather than a reality operation.

True randomness doesn't exist. Everything acts according to the laws of cause and effect as upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. There is no random in the universe outside of our own usage of a virtual random because we are so inadequate in understanding the precision works of the laws of the universe.

What are you going to do now? Are you going to attempt to prove your ignorance more than you have already?

Cool


You still don't provide a definition of complexity, so you haven't answered the question.

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March 03, 2016, 12:41:43 AM
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Now, now. Relax. Your use of expletives shows that you are having trouble understanding even the things that you write.

Did you make that definition up? I see no reference for it.

Tell me what part of the universe or nature exists without thermodynamic energy. Even absolute zero is only theoretical, since nobody has been able to confirm that they have attained it in the lab, or found it in nature.

Look in your definition, above. A "degree of disorder" is a dissolving/dispersing/dissipating/diffusing of thermodynamic energy. Since thermodynamic energy is in everything, entropy is a dissolving/dispersing/dissipating/diffusing of of everything. When you have complexity, if it is dissolved/dispersed/dissipated/diffused, it becomes less complex. This is happening all the time in the universe around us.

The term "randomness" in your definition is misleading. Randomness as we understand it pertains to our guesswork of how tiny quantities of material and/or energy might be working. This is what quantum mechanics is all about. Because we are so limited in our abilities, we can't measure all the forces and energies that act on anything. In the lab, we might think that we have, if that is what we are really trying to do, like with microcalorimetric functions. But even there we can't be sure. This is why quantum mechanics is a probability operation, rather than a reality operation.

True randomness doesn't exist. Everything acts according to the laws of cause and effect as upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. There is no random in the universe outside of our own usage of a virtual random because we are so inadequate in understanding the precision works of the laws of the universe.

What are you going to do now? Are you going to attempt to prove your ignorance more than you have already?

Cool


You still don't provide a definition of complexity, so you haven't answered the question.


You must really know how to use the Bitcointalk spell-checker really well. For somebody who doesn't know how to use the dictionary, your spelling is quite good.

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Now, now. Relax. Your use of expletives shows that you are having trouble understanding even the things that you write.

Did you make that definition up? I see no reference for it.

Tell me what part of the universe or nature exists without thermodynamic energy. Even absolute zero is only theoretical, since nobody has been able to confirm that they have attained it in the lab, or found it in nature.

Look in your definition, above. A "degree of disorder" is a dissolving/dispersing/dissipating/diffusing of thermodynamic energy. Since thermodynamic energy is in everything, entropy is a dissolving/dispersing/dissipating/diffusing of of everything. When you have complexity, if it is dissolved/dispersed/dissipated/diffused, it becomes less complex. This is happening all the time in the universe around us.

The term "randomness" in your definition is misleading. Randomness as we understand it pertains to our guesswork of how tiny quantities of material and/or energy might be working. This is what quantum mechanics is all about. Because we are so limited in our abilities, we can't measure all the forces and energies that act on anything. In the lab, we might think that we have, if that is what we are really trying to do, like with microcalorimetric functions. But even there we can't be sure. This is why quantum mechanics is a probability operation, rather than a reality operation.

True randomness doesn't exist. Everything acts according to the laws of cause and effect as upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. There is no random in the universe outside of our own usage of a virtual random because we are so inadequate in understanding the precision works of the laws of the universe.

What are you going to do now? Are you going to attempt to prove your ignorance more than you have already?

Cool


You still don't provide a definition of complexity, so you haven't answered the question.


You must really know how to use the Bitcointalk spell-checker really well. For somebody who doesn't know how to use the dictionary, your spelling is quite good.

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organofcorti asked you to provide a definition of complexity.  (how is it related to entropy?)

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Now, now. Relax. Your use of expletives shows that you are having trouble understanding even the things that you write.

Did you make that definition up? I see no reference for it.

Tell me what part of the universe or nature exists without thermodynamic energy. Even absolute zero is only theoretical, since nobody has been able to confirm that they have attained it in the lab, or found it in nature.

Look in your definition, above. A "degree of disorder" is a dissolving/dispersing/dissipating/diffusing of thermodynamic energy. Since thermodynamic energy is in everything, entropy is a dissolving/dispersing/dissipating/diffusing of of everything. When you have complexity, if it is dissolved/dispersed/dissipated/diffused, it becomes less complex. This is happening all the time in the universe around us.

The term "randomness" in your definition is misleading. Randomness as we understand it pertains to our guesswork of how tiny quantities of material and/or energy might be working. This is what quantum mechanics is all about. Because we are so limited in our abilities, we can't measure all the forces and energies that act on anything. In the lab, we might think that we have, if that is what we are really trying to do, like with microcalorimetric functions. But even there we can't be sure. This is why quantum mechanics is a probability operation, rather than a reality operation.

True randomness doesn't exist. Everything acts according to the laws of cause and effect as upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. There is no random in the universe outside of our own usage of a virtual random because we are so inadequate in understanding the precision works of the laws of the universe.

What are you going to do now? Are you going to attempt to prove your ignorance more than you have already?

Cool


You still don't provide a definition of complexity, so you haven't answered the question.


You must really know how to use the Bitcointalk spell-checker really well. For somebody who doesn't know how to use the dictionary, your spelling is quite good.

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organofcorti asked you to provide a definition of complexity.  (how is it related to entropy?)



Do you get a bigger Bitcointalk rating for repeating other people's questions:    Huh Cheesy

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Now, now. Relax. Your use of expletives shows that you are having trouble understanding even the things that you write.

Did you make that definition up? I see no reference for it.

Tell me what part of the universe or nature exists without thermodynamic energy. Even absolute zero is only theoretical, since nobody has been able to confirm that they have attained it in the lab, or found it in nature.

Look in your definition, above. A "degree of disorder" is a dissolving/dispersing/dissipating/diffusing of thermodynamic energy. Since thermodynamic energy is in everything, entropy is a dissolving/dispersing/dissipating/diffusing of of everything. When you have complexity, if it is dissolved/dispersed/dissipated/diffused, it becomes less complex. This is happening all the time in the universe around us.

The term "randomness" in your definition is misleading. Randomness as we understand it pertains to our guesswork of how tiny quantities of material and/or energy might be working. This is what quantum mechanics is all about. Because we are so limited in our abilities, we can't measure all the forces and energies that act on anything. In the lab, we might think that we have, if that is what we are really trying to do, like with microcalorimetric functions. But even there we can't be sure. This is why quantum mechanics is a probability operation, rather than a reality operation.

True randomness doesn't exist. Everything acts according to the laws of cause and effect as upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. There is no random in the universe outside of our own usage of a virtual random because we are so inadequate in understanding the precision works of the laws of the universe.

What are you going to do now? Are you going to attempt to prove your ignorance more than you have already?

Cool


You still don't provide a definition of complexity, so you haven't answered the question.


You must really know how to use the Bitcointalk spell-checker really well. For somebody who doesn't know how to use the dictionary, your spelling is quite good.

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organofcorti asked you to provide a definition of complexity.  (how is it related to entropy?)



Do you get a bigger Bitcointalk rating for repeating other people's questions:    Huh Cheesy

There are no dictionary definitions of complexity that mention entropy, or relate to other things you discuss.

The wiki entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complexity  does discuss complexity in such a way and provides competing explanations. I want to know which of these definitions you are using.

To everyone else: What will BADecker's next post be?
a) infantile name calling
b) changing the subject
c) a long incomprehensible ramble about complexity that still doesn't leave anyone any the wiser.

I think each of those have about the same probability of occurring.

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March 03, 2016, 11:10:18 AM
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Does anyone else find it ironic that BADecker will (re)define every word from Atheist to Theory, but refuses to define his "proof that God exists" even once?

Or "complexity".


But it is very obvious that atheists will avoid looking at and using the dictionary definitions, and the scientific laws that prove that God exists. They would rather tell lies about theists to promote their stupidity. In fact, they can't even see that by promoting atheism they are setting themselves up as gods, claiming that they have God-like authority to make accurate atheistic claims.

Cool

We would love to do that, but you simply refuse the definition!

entropy: A thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system’s thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system

Which means there is NO LINK with complexity! Only with order or randomness. But you don't give a fuck about this official definition...

Now, now. Relax. Your use of expletives shows that you are having trouble understanding even the things that you write.

Did you make that definition up? I see no reference for it.

Tell me what part of the universe or nature exists without thermodynamic energy. Even absolute zero is only theoretical, since nobody has been able to confirm that they have attained it in the lab, or found it in nature.

Look in your definition, above. A "degree of disorder" is a dissolving/dispersing/dissipating/diffusing of thermodynamic energy. Since thermodynamic energy is in everything, entropy is a dissolving/dispersing/dissipating/diffusing of of everything. When you have complexity, if it is dissolved/dispersed/dissipated/diffused, it becomes less complex. This is happening all the time in the universe around us.

The term "randomness" in your definition is misleading. Randomness as we understand it pertains to our guesswork of how tiny quantities of material and/or energy might be working. This is what quantum mechanics is all about. Because we are so limited in our abilities, we can't measure all the forces and energies that act on anything. In the lab, we might think that we have, if that is what we are really trying to do, like with microcalorimetric functions. But even there we can't be sure. This is why quantum mechanics is a probability operation, rather than a reality operation.

True randomness doesn't exist. Everything acts according to the laws of cause and effect as upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. There is no random in the universe outside of our own usage of a virtual random because we are so inadequate in understanding the precision works of the laws of the universe.

What are you going to do now? Are you going to attempt to prove your ignorance more than you have already?

Cool

Interesting reasoning.

So if I understand everything you say that something is complex when it has more thermodynamic energy?

If yes then your reasonning is more or less correct.

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March 03, 2016, 01:43:40 PM
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Taking BADecker defense I think I understood his reasoning.

He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!

Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?

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March 03, 2016, 02:09:21 PM
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Taking BADecker defense I think I understood his reasoning.

He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!

Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?

LOL.  So Black Holes are just pregnancy vessels for future Gods?  They absorb energy so the energy has to go somewhere...

Anyway, we don't really know for sure where the energy to start the Big Bang came from, but we have some theories:

https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bb_whatpowered.htm


Just because we are amazed by the fact that the universe was somehow created and don't know exactly where the energy came from does not justify belief in supernatural God.

Which God? Allah, Holy Trinity, Jewish God, Hindu Gods, Greek Gods.  Which one you want to believe?

You can believe in "unexplained energy" that caused the Big Bang, that is all you can really do.  Anything else added that God created Earth, us and other animals, Noah's ark and flood, Adam & Eve, Heaven and Hell, Muslim flying horses are just products of human imagination.






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March 03, 2016, 02:47:21 PM
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Taking BADecker defense I think I understood his reasoning.

He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!

Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?

LOL.  So Black Holes are just pregnancy vessels for future Gods?  They absorb energy so the energy has to go somewhere...

Anyway, we don't really know for sure where the energy to start the Big Bang came from, but we have some theories:

https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bb_whatpowered.htm


Just because we are amazed by the fact that the universe was somehow created and don't know exactly where the energy came from does not justify belief in supernatural God.

Which God? Allah, Holy Trinity, Jewish God, Hindu Gods, Greek Gods.  Which one you want to believe?

You can believe in "unexplained energy" that caused the Big Bang, that is all you can really do.  Anything else added that God created Earth, us and other animals, Noah's ark and flood, Adam & Eve, Heaven and Hell, Muslim flying horses are just products of human imagination.


Hey, don't attack me.

I try to understand his reasoning. It's not easy. From what I understand he just says complexity is proportional to thermodynamic energy. It's not right but it's what I understand.

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March 03, 2016, 03:47:54 PM
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My comment was about BADecker claim.  It was not attacking you or BADecker.   Just that his idea of God (being the source of primal energy) and equating it with Christian God seems a bit of stretch to me.

Calling "unexplained energy source" a God?  Just say what it is: unexplained source of energy.

His definition of complexity being an energy level is news to me
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Is new to everyone in fact. No one defines complexity this way... And for a good reason...

It means you can't call complex or un complex things that are not physical. For example you can't say that a word/theory/code is complex. Not very useful definition no?

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Taking BADecker defense I think I understood his reasoning.

He says that thermodynamic energy is everywhere. And that with time it can only decrease in things. And that leads him to think that with this the complexity of things will decrease too because for him complexity = thermodynamic energy level!

Which would mean that at the origin the most complex thing was in fact God. Am I right?

LOL.  So Black Holes are just pregnancy vessels for future Gods?  They absorb energy so the energy has to go somewhere...

Anyway, we don't really know for sure where the energy to start the Big Bang came from, but we have some theories:

https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bb_whatpowered.htm


Just because we are amazed by the fact that the universe was somehow created and don't know exactly where the energy came from does not justify belief in supernatural God.

Which God? Allah, Holy Trinity, Jewish God, Hindu Gods, Greek Gods.  Which one you want to believe?

You can believe in "unexplained energy" that caused the Big Bang, that is all you can really do.  Anything else added that God created Earth, us and other animals, Noah's ark and flood, Adam & Eve, Heaven and Hell, Muslim flying horses are just products of human imagination.


Hey, don't attack me.

I try to understand his reasoning. It's not easy. From what I understand he just says complexity is proportional to thermodynamic energy. It's not right but it's what I understand.

My comment was about BADecker claim.  It was not attacking you or BADecker.   Just that his idea of God (being the source of primal energy) and equating it with Christian God seems a bit of stretch to me.

Calling "unexplained energy source" a God?  Just say what it is: unexplained source of energy.

His definition of complexity being an energy level is news to me Wink

Complexity is the anti-thesis of entropy. Perhaps there are other things that are virtually the opposite of entropy, but complexity is one of the basic ones.

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