Cricket match prediction discussions

[mersal]

WI team got the best t20 format players compared to toehr countries but they still failed to give results when they all are working as a team so what is the wrong with WI team? I feel they lack captaincy who can lead the team members in the right way,if they got someone like Dhoni on their team then they will turn into unbeatable one.

Well... this particular subject has been debated in detail many times previously. The problem is that the WICB can't afford the salaries these T20 franchises pay to their players. After all international cricket is just like any other career option and given the limited time window, I don't think that we can really blame the players. And there is no way we can hold the captain responsible for this. It's not his fault. 

We can't say that WI team is not performing because their salaries are very less, they also need to find the right combination as a team even if they have many individual talents so for that captain is responsible along with the selection committee while selecting squads for tournaments.Someone needs to step up who can find as team not only talents.

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[Vishnu.Reang]

We can't say that WI team is not performing because their salaries are very less, they also need to find the right combination as a team even if they have many individual talents so for that captain is responsible along with the selection committee while selecting squads for tournaments.Someone needs to step up who can find as team not only talents.

I never said their salaries are low. I said that the WICB is unable to pay the same level of money, that the T20 franchises are paying. And this has been the case ever since the first edition of the Indian Premier League (back in 2008). Players such as Andre Russell and Sunil Narine are some of the highest paid cricketers in the world, but we don't see them playing for West Indies very often.

[Ayiranorea]

We can't say that WI team is not performing because their salaries are very less, they also need to find the right combination as a team even if they have many individual talents so for that captain is responsible along with the selection committee while selecting squads for tournaments.Someone needs to step up who can find as team not only talents.

I never said their salaries are low. I said that the WICB is unable to pay the same level of money, that the T20 franchises are paying. And this has been the case ever since the first edition of the Indian Premier League (back in 2008). Players such as Andre Russell and Sunil Narine are some of the highest paid cricketers in the world, but we don't see them playing for West Indies very often.

Yes, it happened. Once after the IPL not only West Indies players, even few Australian players can't be seen playing for the team. When Symonds was given rest or suspended from the team for some disciplinary issue he mentioned that he will play only IPL thats more than enough for him. This is how the players are paid from IPL, when the same player falls under the top category pay will be very big. World's second most popular league. First is a soccer league.

[mersal]

We can't say that WI team is not performing because their salaries are very less, they also need to find the right combination as a team even if they have many individual talents so for that captain is responsible along with the selection committee while selecting squads for tournaments.Someone needs to step up who can find as team not only talents.

I never said their salaries are low. I said that the WICB is unable to pay the same level of money, that the T20 franchises are paying. And this has been the case ever since the first edition of the Indian Premier League (back in 2008). Players such as Andre Russell and Sunil Narine are some of the highest paid cricketers in the world, but we don't see them playing for West Indies very often.

Its true that their salaries are low even lot of players got pending payments for years because countries like India and African nations are not same in economical status.IPL is more like a business than a tournament so private owners are spending millions to make business so its purely a kind of business every year but as a player they have to trust their skills not how much they are making.

[Sithara007]

Yes, it happened. Once after the IPL not only West Indies players, even few Australian players can't be seen playing for the team. When Symonds was given rest or suspended from the team for some disciplinary issue he mentioned that he will play only IPL thats more than enough for him. This is how the players are paid from IPL, when the same player falls under the top category pay will be very big. World's second most popular league. First is a soccer league.

Although I would agree with what you said about the West Indian players, I am not sure whether we can say the same about the Australian players. Recently, Mitchell Starc pulled out of the IPL auctions (last year he was signed by the Kolkata Knight Riders for a massive $1,320,000). From what I have seen, the Australian players have always prioritized their national duty over the franchise T20 leagues.

[mersal]

Yes, it happened. Once after the IPL not only West Indies players, even few Australian players can't be seen playing for the team. When Symonds was given rest or suspended from the team for some disciplinary issue he mentioned that he will play only IPL thats more than enough for him. This is how the players are paid from IPL, when the same player falls under the top category pay will be very big. World's second most popular league. First is a soccer league.

Although I would agree with what you said about the West Indian players, I am not sure whether we can say the same about the Australian players. Recently, Mitchell Starc pulled out of the IPL auctions (last year he was signed by the Kolkata Knight Riders for a massive $1,320,000). From what I have seen, the Australian players have always prioritized their national duty over the franchise T20 leagues.

Patriotism even while playing also.Kudoos for that kind of people.

Money is not entirely important when it comes to national duties which applies same for the games as well.Give your best no matter how much you are getting paid for that then world will remember them for too long.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

Patriotism even while playing also.Kudoos for that kind of people.

Money is not entirely important when it comes to national duties which applies same for the games as well.Give your best no matter how much you are getting paid for that then world will remember them for too long.

You cannot force that to a sports person, it is a sport and what national duties are you talking about, BCCI is like a consortium of different states and they are not even sending them to any national games representing India and what makes you think that they should ignore money and fulfill something else . Everyone is here for the money and sports people have a small window to make money and hence you cannot tie anyone up in my opinion.

[mersal]

Patriotism even while playing also.Kudoos for that kind of people.

Money is not entirely important when it comes to national duties which applies same for the games as well.Give your best no matter how much you are getting paid for that then world will remember them for too long.

You cannot force that to a sports person, it is a sport and what national duties are you talking about, BCCI is like a consortium of different states and they are not even sending them to any national games representing India and what makes you think that they should ignore money and fulfill something else . Everyone is here for the money and sports people have a small window to make money and hence you cannot tie anyone up in my opinion.

There are lot of politics involved in cricket as like any other profession which is the reason why real talents were not being a part always in a squad.But money should not be the entire motivation for someone when they are playing for a country we knew the stories of people who earned money but fades away from history but one few who gave their 200% remain in the hears of 1.4 billion people in India.

[iram3130]

Patriotism even while playing also.Kudoos for that kind of people.

Money is not entirely important when it comes to national duties which applies same for the games as well.Give your best no matter how much you are getting paid for that then world will remember them for too long.

I dont think cricket has got what it had right now, there was a time when a match between 2 nations was more than a war but now its just a sport with money. Thats why very less hard core fans these days.

[Indymoney]

Patriotism even while playing also.Kudoos for that kind of people.

Money is not entirely important when it comes to national duties which applies same for the games as well.Give your best no matter how much you are getting paid for that then world will remember them for too long.

I dont think cricket has got what it had right now, there was a time when a match between 2 nations was more than a war but now its just a sport with money. Thats why very less hard core fans these days.

@iram3130 you are right few years back we have matches between Pakistan and India peoples feel too much emotional heart attacks depressions and many other things happen but now all understand its all about money nothing more they want more money and its coming in right way we lost beauty of game.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

There are lot of politics involved in cricket as like any other profession which is the reason why real talents were not being a part always in a squad.But money should not be the entire motivation for someone when they are playing for a country we knew the stories of people who earned money but fades away from history but one few who gave their 200% remain in the hears of 1.4 billion people in India.

I am not going to dispute the politics involved in team selection but now Indian team has a wealth of talent because of the exposure the young players are getting in the IPL and other tournaments and money is always the motivation for a player and in India only cricket players make a lot of money and there are many sports being played but they are not getting the same attention and sponsorship and hence everyone is attracted to cricket. Hockey is our national game how many audience you can see in a match since you brought patriotism in sports i am asking you.

[7788bitcoin]

I dont think cricket has got what it had right now, there was a time when a match between 2 nations was more than a war but now its just a sport with money. Thats why very less hard core fans these days.

Are you talking about the spirit of the match, then you can always find that battle when England and Australia play and if you want to see a different level of spirit then you need to watch EPL in the stadium and you will see the intensity between fans and the players and you cannot match those in any other sport and the fans are really crazy and they will go to war if they want to  and you cannot find those in cricket.

[UmerIdrees]

Patriotism even while playing also.Kudoos for that kind of people.

Money is not entirely important when it comes to national duties which applies same for the games as well.Give your best no matter how much you are getting paid for that then world will remember them for too long.

I dont think cricket has got what it had right now, there was a time when a match between 2 nations was more than a war but now its just a sport with money. Thats why very less hard core fans these days.

The cricket matches between cricket India and Pakistan is still considered as a war between the two. The same is with the Ashes series between Australia and England. The money does play an important part in the game but still the spirit of the game is still there.
The only thing which has changed is the difference between the good and bad teams have increased a lot. India, England and Australian teams are way too good than SouthAfrica, Pakistan, srilanka, West Indies etc and so the most of the matches become one sided.

[teosanru]

Patriotism even while playing also.Kudoos for that kind of people.

Money is not entirely important when it comes to national duties which applies same for the games as well.Give your best no matter how much you are getting paid for that then world will remember them for too long.

I dont think cricket has got what it had right now, there was a time when a match between 2 nations was more than a war but now its just a sport with money. Thats why very less hard core fans these days.

The cricket matches between cricket India and Pakistan is still considered as a war between the two. The same is with the Ashes series between Australia and England. The money does play an important part in the game but still the spirit of the game is still there.
The only thing which has changed is the difference between the good and bad teams have increased a lot. India, England and Australian teams are way too good than SouthAfrica, Pakistan, srilanka, West Indies etc and so the most of the matches become one sided.

I think this is the reason why world is shifting to T20 because this format is pretty much unpredictable. Things can change with each ball in such shorter version of the game and therefore teams get and equal opportunity no matter how worse they look on the sheets. Moreover I think cricket is now becoming much more like football more and more teams are getting involved thus expanding the whole ranking and fight arena. Moreover leagues happening all around the world will give teams chance to remove this difference.

[vella85]

Patriotism even while playing also.Kudoos for that kind of people.

Money is not entirely important when it comes to national duties which applies same for the games as well.Give your best no matter how much you are getting paid for that then world will remember them for too long.

I dont think cricket has got what it had right now, there was a time when a match between 2 nations was more than a war but now its just a sport with money. Thats why very less hard core fans these days.

The cricket matches between cricket India and Pakistan is still considered as a war between the two. The same is with the Ashes series between Australia and England. The money does play an important part in the game but still the spirit of the game is still there.
The only thing which has changed is the difference between the good and bad teams have increased a lot. India, England and Australian teams are way too good than SouthAfrica, Pakistan, srilanka, West Indies etc and so the most of the matches become one sided.

I think this is the reason why world is shifting to T20 because this format is pretty much unpredictable. Things can change with each ball in such shorter version of the game and therefore teams get and equal opportunity no matter how worse they look on the sheets. Moreover I think cricket is now becoming much more like football more and more teams are getting involved thus expanding the whole ranking and fight arena. Moreover leagues happening all around the world will give teams chance to remove this difference.

I agree and also T20 cricket gives many new countries a chance to win against the top teams like you said, it gives an equal opportunity and I think this is good for cricket in the long term. It will also help cricket expand in countries where cricket wasn't a sport like we are seeing in Canada where they now have their own T20 league and I'm sure we'll start to see more T20 leagues pop up around the world in the coming years.

[Sithara007]

The only thing which has changed is the difference between the good and bad teams have increased a lot. India, England and Australian teams are way too good than SouthAfrica, Pakistan, srilanka, West Indies etc and so the most of the matches become one sided.

Now it has become easier for the players to move from one country to another, and that is probably causing this imbalance. Now consider this:

1. Imagine a South African team, consisting of players such as Marnus Labuschagne, Colin de Grandhomme, Neil Wagner, David Wiese and Hardus Viljoen. They will be able to give tough fight to the big 3 teams. But these players have moved to other countries and no longer represent South Africa.

2. Imagine Eoin Morgan playing for Ireland. He's one of the best international batsmen out there now, and in case he had represented Ireland then they could have become one of the top 5 teams.

3. Imagine a West Indies team with players such as Jofra Archer and Chris Jordan.

4. Imagine a Pakistani team with Fawad Ahmed, Imran Tahir and Usman Khawaja.

[mersal]

The only thing which has changed is the difference between the good and bad teams have increased a lot. India, England and Australian teams are way too good than SouthAfrica, Pakistan, srilanka, West Indies etc and so the most of the matches become one sided.

Now it has become easier for the players to move from one country to another, and that is probably causing this imbalance. Now consider this:

1. Imagine a South African team, consisting of players such as Marnus Labuschagne, Colin de Grandhomme, Neil Wagner, David Wiese and Hardus Viljoen. They will be able to give tough fight to the big 3 teams. But these players have moved to other countries and no longer represent South Africa.

2. Imagine Eoin Morgan playing for Ireland. He's one of the best international batsmen out there now, and in case he had represented Ireland then they could have become one of the top 5 teams.

3. Imagine a West Indies team with players such as Jofra Archer and Chris Jordan.

4. Imagine a Pakistani team with Fawad Ahmed, Imran Tahir and Usman Khawaja.

As I mentioned there are lot of politics inside cricket as well so players to do something so that they can shine longer and also can make money than sitting on bench.It is also a nation's duty to rewards what a player deserves and encourages them to make more records on the game they were representing if its happening opposite then players will move where he gets better respect for his ability.

[Clement Kaliyar]

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1. Imagine a South African team, consisting of players such as Marnus Labuschagne, Colin de Grandhomme, Neil Wagner, David Wiese and Hardus Viljoen. They will be able to give tough fight to the big 3 teams. But these players have moved to other countries and no longer represent South Africa.

2. Imagine Eoin Morgan playing for Ireland. He's one of the best international batsmen out there now, and in case he had represented Ireland then they could have become one of the top 5 teams.

3. Imagine a West Indies team with players such as Jofra Archer and Chris Jordan.

4. Imagine a Pakistani team with Fawad Ahmed, Imran Tahir and Usman Khawaja.

If these players have not moved out what is the guarantee that they will be even representing the country they are born let alone they will be having the opportunity to play cricket, they moved out and they had the opportunity and develop their cricket and hence they are representing the teams they settled, we can speculate as much as we want but the facts are they represent the countries they are living.

[JohnBitCo]

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1. Imagine a South African team, consisting of players such as Marnus Labuschagne, Colin de Grandhomme, Neil Wagner, David Wiese and Hardus Viljoen. They will be able to give tough fight to the big 3 teams. But these players have moved to other countries and no longer represent South Africa.

2. Imagine Eoin Morgan playing for Ireland. He's one of the best international batsmen out there now, and in case he had represented Ireland then they could have become one of the top 5 teams.

3. Imagine a West Indies team with players such as Jofra Archer and Chris Jordan.

4. Imagine a Pakistani team with Fawad Ahmed, Imran Tahir and Usman Khawaja.

If these players have not moved out what is the guarantee that they will be even representing the country they are born let alone they will be having the opportunity to play cricket, they moved out and they had the opportunity and develop their cricket and hence they are representing the teams they settled, we can speculate as much as we want but the facts are they represent the countries they are living.

We do not need to imagine these players to play from their original home because they fate is to represent another country. Just like people go to another countries to get work permit and permanent visas, you cannot just keep on thinking if they would have not left the country, what would have happened.

[Sithara007]

If these players have not moved out what is the guarantee that they will be even representing the country they are born let alone they will be having the opportunity to play cricket, they moved out and they had the opportunity and develop their cricket and hence they are representing the teams they settled, we can speculate as much as we want but the facts are they represent the countries they are living.

In case of South Africa I can't guarantee that (in part due to the quota policy in team selection). But in all the other cases, these players were guaranteed a permanent slot in the playing XI. Eoin Morgan was being considered as the best player in the Ireland side and the cricket board had gone to great lengths trying to regain him, when he announced that he is shifting his allegiance to England. Same was the case with Jofra Archer. He was all set to play for West Indies, when he suddenly announced his intention to represent England.