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[Sithara007]

Some shit going on in Netherlands. A few months ago, during a match between two of the top club sides (VOC Rotterdam vs HCC), there was an allegation that a native player (Dirk van Baren) made a racist remark against a player of Asian origin (Yash Patel, the wicket keeper). There was a heated exchange between the two players after van Baren edged a delivery from Reinier Bijloos, and Patel alleged that the remarks made by van Baren was racist. HCC refused to continue with the game and walked off. Now there is a debate whether the points should be awarded to VOC, or they should be equally split. Even after so many months, the KNCB hasn't reached on a decision yet.  

Cricket is already a dying sport in Netherlands and around 70% of the club players are expats. Incidents such as this one will further destroy any interest in the game from the native population. In the end, Netherlands cricket team will end up like UAE or Oman, where all the players are non-citizens.

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[Theones]

Cricket is already a dying sport in Netherlands and around 70% of the club players are expats. Incidents such as this one will further destroy any interest in the game from the native population. In the end, Netherlands cricket team will end up like UAE or Oman, where all the players are non-citizens.

I don't think Netherland will allow such model in there cricket team, they will prefer not to made cricket team instead. Netherland team was in 1996 WC but still there team is weak. Cricket is popular in South Asia and its South Asian origin players that mostly made up teams of countries like Canada,  Netherlands. The way cricket is moving I don't think we will see strong team joining in.

[RealMalatesta]

Incidents such as this one will further destroy any interest in the game from the native population.

I am not sure how true practically this statement is. For example, we need to consider South Africa; they were able to produce quality players among many such incidents. Racism is not a new problem in all Europe countries hence I am not seeing such incident will bother the new talents at their interest levels.

I don't think Netherland will allow such model in there cricket team, they will prefer not to made cricket team instead.

Could you please elaborate more on this statements so that we could get more enlightenment on your point. Do you mean Netherlands will not bother even if they lose players for the reason of racism? I do not think any developed country will take such a stand in this modern days.

[Theones]

Could you please elaborate more on this statements so that we could get more enlightenment on your point. Do you mean Netherlands will not bother even if they lose players for the reason of racism? I do not think any developed country will take such a stand in this modern days.

I just had a point on @Sithara007 statement that gulf cricket team model may be adopted by netherland if incidents like racism keep happening. Netherland is developed country and they will not allow team of expats to represent Netherland at international venues. Gulf model is very different. Its really that simple.

[UmerIdrees]

Well, there is no such announcement of Australians not coming to Pakistan in 2022. I think Pakistan should not play in UAE and should insist them to visit our country.
I am not sure why they are afraid to lose with Pakistan when they are already playing well against England.

As of today CA is sending its team to Pakistan, cant say about tomorrow. I remember Najam Sethi (ex PCB Boss) saying playing at UAE is total in loss. There is no financial profit for PCB in playing at UAE. Thats major reason why PCB earnings are equal to Bangladesh cricket board. I dont think under current PCB management, Pakistan will play at UAE.

It's not about the money, it's more about the dignity and change of perception. It's been years of that attacks on the Sri Lanka team and for how many years team will use the same excuse of security? If Aussie do not want to play because of any covid variant outbreak at that time, that's understandable as we also care about the health but no more security excues.

[Sithara007]

I just had a point on @Sithara007 statement that gulf cricket team model may be adopted by netherland if incidents like racism keep happening. Netherland is developed country and they will not allow team of expats to represent Netherland at international venues. Gulf model is very different. Its really that simple.

The Gulf nations do this in most of the sports. Even in the Olympic games, countries such as Qatar usually fields mercenary athletes from Africa and the former USSR. But the catch here is that the other sports have strict quotas for such athletes, while in cricket you can easily form a "national team" without a single citizen. Look at basketball for example. Citizenship is mandatory, and on top of that there is an additional condition that the number of naturalized citizens should not be more than one.

[og kush420]

As of today CA is sending its team to Pakistan, cant say about tomorrow. I remember Najam Sethi (ex PCB Boss) saying playing at UAE is total in loss. There is no financial profit for PCB in playing at UAE. Thats major reason why PCB earnings are equal to Bangladesh cricket board. I dont think under current PCB management, Pakistan will play at UAE.

It's not about the money, it's more about the dignity and change of perception. It's been years of that attacks on the Sri Lanka team and for how many years team will use the same excuse of security? If Aussie do not want to play because of any covid variant outbreak at that time, that's understandable as we also care about the health but no more security excues.
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Australia is not touring Pakistan even before 9/11, last time they tour Pakistan was in 1997 AFAIR. While SL team was attacked in 2009, Pakistan keep touring Australia despite CA boycott to tour Pakistan. I remember CA has no issue sending players to India to play IPL during peak of covid19. Money is above everything.

[Theones]

I just had a point on @Sithara007 statement that gulf cricket team model may be adopted by netherland if incidents like racism keep happening. Netherland is developed country and they will not allow team of expats to represent Netherland at international venues. Gulf model is very different. Its really that simple.

The Gulf nations do this in most of the sports. Even in the Olympic games, countries such as Qatar usually fields mercenary athletes from Africa and the former USSR. But the catch here is that the other sports have strict quotas for such athletes, while in cricket you can easily form a "national team" without a single citizen. Look at basketball for example. Citizenship is mandatory, and on top of that there is an additional condition that the number of naturalized citizens should not be more than one.

So its basically International Basketball federation (FIBA) who is regulating this citizenship act in basketball. What is ICC doing in this regard in cricket? Clearly they are silent. Only gulf countries do this shameless act of making national team by hiring players from South Asia. IMO no other country is adopting such model.

[romero121]

I just had a point on @Sithara007 statement that gulf cricket team model may be adopted by netherland if incidents like racism keep happening. Netherland is developed country and they will not allow team of expats to represent Netherland at international venues. Gulf model is very different. Its really that simple.

The Gulf nations do this in most of the sports. Even in the Olympic games, countries such as Qatar usually fields mercenary athletes from Africa and the former USSR. But the catch here is that the other sports have strict quotas for such athletes, while in cricket you can easily form a "national team" without a single citizen. Look at basketball for example. Citizenship is mandatory, and on top of that there is an additional condition that the number of naturalized citizens should not be more than one.

So its basically International Basketball federation (FIBA) who is regulating this citizenship act in basketball. What is ICC doing in this regard in cricket? Clearly they are silent. Only gulf countries do this shameless act of making national team by hiring players from South Asia. IMO no other country is adopting such model.

Gulf countries are in the early days of making their presence into cricket. For that reason, now they look for good players from the South Asia. This way the national team will slowly progress and there is no opposition being from the citizens. So, nothing to make it a big issue and that's the reason ICC seems to be silent on this matter.

[ene1980]

Gulf countries are in the early days of making their presence into cricket. For that reason, now they look for good players from the South Asia. This way the national team will slowly progress and there is no opposition being from the citizens. So, nothing to make it a big issue and that's the reason ICC seems to be silent on this matter.

As far as i understand, UAE is having their Cricket team from the 1990 as per their website, so basically it is more than 27 years and you cannot call them fairly new to the game of Cricket. It is a fact that they are including mercenary players in their team because the citizens are not interested to play the sport and ICC has given them the consideration in return for allowing them to have their headquarters in the UAE and basically tax free.

[ajochems]

In my country cricket matches are unique and had huge amount of followers. Our government use this as a mode to unique people. And feed away the religious difference and other cultural differences. Even people will forgotten the fight in front of the cricket matches. Many cultural mismatch will be over come with the cricet match.

[Sithara007]

So its basically International Basketball federation (FIBA) who is regulating this citizenship act in basketball. What is ICC doing in this regard in cricket? Clearly they are silent. Only gulf countries do this shameless act of making national team by hiring players from South Asia. IMO no other country is adopting such model.

Until 2010 or so, foreigners were not allowed to represent national teams. That situation changed only 10-12 years ago, when the Emirates Cricket Board pressured the ICC to change the rules, with open support from the pig-3. And the gulf model has been adopted by the other countries as well. Out of the 105 ICC members, more than half (especially those in the gulf and the Europe) doesn't have a single citizen playing for them. And because of these nations, those teams playing with native players are losing out. 

An example is here, from the Czech Republic:

[TheGreatPython]

Until 2010 or so, foreigners were not allowed to represent national teams. That situation changed only 10-12 years ago, when the Emirates Cricket Board pressured the ICC to change the rules, with open support from the pig-3. And the gulf model has been adopted by the other countries as well. Out of the 105 ICC members, more than half (especially those in the gulf and the Europe) doesn't have a single citizen playing for them. And because of these nations, those teams playing with native players are losing out.  

It is a news for me; I have not come across any article on the foreign player policy of ICC. If I remember correctly, I first saw Kevin Peterson was playing for England and Usman Khawaja for Australia after that lots of players migrated to New Zeeland, Australia and England.

In my opinion, the country which got the maximum benefits out of this foreign player policy must be England as they have won the 2019 WC with an Irish Skipper.

I have not seen India signed any foreign player so far but interestingly India head coach Rahul Dravid once played for Scotland; I was really surprised on hearing that but not getting any background information about that deal because as far I have been watching him since his debut in 1999, he was successful with India and led India for 2007 WC as well but not sure when he played for Scotland.

[JohnBitCo]

Australia is not touring Pakistan even before 9/11, last time they tour Pakistan was in 1997 AFAIR. While SL team was attacked in 2009, Pakistan keep touring Australia despite CA boycott to tour Pakistan. I remember CA has no issue sending players to India to play IPL during peak of covid19. Money is above everything.

So this means that if the Australian team visits India for a series, they will get more incentives and salary as compared if they visit a country like Pakistan?  
Don't the cricket players get fix salaries no matter where they play cricket as per the ICC schedule?

[Webetcoins]

interestingly India head coach Rahul Dravid once played for Scotland; I was really surprised on hearing that but not getting any background information about that deal because as far I have been watching him since his debut in 1999, he was successful with India and led India for 2007 WC as well but not sure when he played for Scotland.

Are you kidding here?
Could you provide any proof or any reference for confirming that Rahul Dravid played other than India?

I read that Yuvaraj Singh was freed by BCCI to play for other T20 tournaments only after got retiring from all the formats officially which is the reason we are not seeing any Indian player to be playing any of T20 tournaments. So, your news on Rahul Dravid might be a rumor as representing a national team might need citizenship and after getting duel citizenship, most countries will not treat their own people like before.

[mm2543363580]

I have not seen India signed any foreign player so far but interestingly India head coach Rahul Dravid once played for Scotland;

You are right that Rahual Dravid has played for Scotland. If you see his profile at Espncricnfo.com (see link below) then its clearly mentioned that he has played for Scotland before joining Indian national side. Not much detail is available about when and how many matches he played for Scotland.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/player/rahul-dravid-28114

[JSRAW]

interestingly India head coach Rahul Dravid once played for Scotland; I was really surprised on hearing that but not getting any background information about that deal because as far I have been watching him since his debut in 1999, he was successful with India and led India for 2007 WC as well but not sure when he played for Scotland.

Are you kidding here?
Could you provide any proof or any reference for confirming that Rahul Dravid played other than India?

I read that Yuvaraj Singh was freed by BCCI to play for other T20 tournaments only after got retiring from all the formats officially which is the reason we are not seeing any Indian player to be playing any of T20 tournaments. So, your news on Rahul Dravid might be a rumor as representing a national team might need citizenship and after getting duel citizenship, most countries will not treat their own people like before.

He played for Scotland in English domestic one-day league in 2003 (11 matches) and 1 match against Pakistan (Guess warm up game).

I wasn't aware as well but then came across this tweet from the cricket scotland.  
https://twitter.com/CricketScotland/status/1461315764535930887

then its clearly mentioned that he has played for Scotland before joining Indian national side. Not much detail is available about when and how many matches he played for Scotland.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/player/rahul-dravid-28114

His first match for India was in 1996.

[mm2543363580]

then its clearly mentioned that he has played for Scotland before joining Indian national side. Not much detail is available about when and how many matches he played for Scotland.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/player/rahul-dravid-28114

His first match for India was in 1996.

Thanks for updating me. I think ICC laws back in 2003 were fragile so there was no restriction on players to play for different countries (correct me if I am wrong). But I am thinking why he played for scotland? He was called as a "WALL" in Indian cricket and was one of top player of Indian team then why he went to play for Scotland.

[RealMalatesta]

I am thinking why he played for scotland? He was called as a "WALL" in Indian cricket and was one of top player of Indian team then why he went to play for Scotland.

Before you asked this, it seemed this was a hot topic on google search and in cricket world (when you type Rahul Dravid on google search you will get suggestions for "why Rahul Dravid played for Scotland") and I found this article to explain you all the details you might be looking for: https://www.sabguru.com/en/why-rahul-dravid-played-for-scotland.

Even I do watch cricket keenly, I did not come to know about this Rahul Dravid's contract with Scotland cricket. It is really a different news for a day.

[mm2543363580]

I am thinking why he played for scotland? He was called as a "WALL" in Indian cricket and was one of top player of Indian team then why he went to play for Scotland.

Before you asked this, it seemed this was a hot topic on google search and in cricket world (when you type Rahul Dravid on google search you will get suggestions for "why Rahul Dravid played for Scotland") and I found this article to explain you all the details you might be looking for: https://www.sabguru.com/en/why-rahul-dravid-played-for-scotland.

Even I do watch cricket keenly, I did not come to know about this Rahul Dravid's contract with Scotland cricket. It is really a different news for a day.

Article is not explaining well the reason I mean its bullshit to read this from above article "After the World Cup, some senior members of the team were given a break from international cricket. At that time, Scotland were promoted to the Second Division of the National Cricket League for a trial period of three years and the Scottish Cricket Union wanted an Indian cricketer to improve the cricket of their team.". Kohli need some break from international cricket, so it means he can go and play for other countries like Ireland?