Cricket match prediction discussions

[vella85]

In the latest news, cricket Australia have cancelled the Australian tour of South Africa due to the virus and the concerns about the new virus strain. They offered for South Africa to come play in Australia but they knocked it back which is understandable. I'm sure something could be worked out like we have been seeing with other series going on.

South Africa is going through a very bad phase right now, with increasing number of infections and deaths, so the reluctance from the part of the Australian side to tour that country is perfectly justifiable. The South Africans are not very happy about it, and understandably so. The Australian tour was their chance of getting the finances back on track, and now that is gone as well. They have the option of traveling to Australia, but then the TV rights will stay with CA rather than CSA.

Yes I was looking forward to this series as it would of been the first time back for Steve Smith and David Warner after the sandpaper scandal. I think if the virus strain wasn't as bad and was the normal strain then Australia would tour SA. It would of been great if both boards could work out a share of the TV rights but then again, would SA want to travel to Australia with the strict quarantine Australia has for anyone coming from SA, this could also be stopping SA from accepting to travel to Australia.

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[Sithara007]

Yes I was looking forward to this series as it would of been the first time back for Steve Smith and David Warner after the sandpaper scandal. I think if the virus strain wasn't as bad and was the normal strain then Australia would tour SA. It would of been great if both boards could work out a share of the TV rights but then again, would SA want to travel to Australia with the strict quarantine Australia has for anyone coming from SA, this could also be stopping SA from accepting to travel to Australia.

Yeah.. there is a lot of talk about the new virus strain that has been discovered in South Africa. A lot of people, including Kevin Pieterson and Michael Vaughan have issued statements on this regard. In case of Pieterson, he raised the question whether Australia could have done the same, if the tour was against India. Here is his original tweet:

https://twitter.com/KP24/status/1356905987274379267

But personally, I believe that CA made the right decision by pulling out of the tour.

[pakhitheboss]

Yes I was looking forward to this series as it would of been the first time back for Steve Smith and David Warner after the sandpaper scandal. I think if the virus strain wasn't as bad and was the normal strain then Australia would tour SA. It would of been great if both boards could work out a share of the TV rights but then again, would SA want to travel to Australia with the strict quarantine Australia has for anyone coming from SA, this could also be stopping SA from accepting to travel to Australia.

Yeah.. there is a lot of talk about the new virus strain that has been discovered in South Africa. A lot of people, including Kevin Pieterson and Michael Vaughan have issued statements on this regard. In case of Pieterson, he raised the question whether Australia could have done the same, if the tour was against India. Here is his original tweet:

https://twitter.com/KP24/status/1356905987274379267

But personally, I believe that CA made the right decision by pulling out of the tour.

Australia and India are two of the richest board and they do not need to play a lot of international matches to generate revenue. The virus strain was still present when these two countries were playing matches. Since it was a home series Australia did not have any issue at that time, and the Indian board wanted to cash in. That is why they played and now they only using the virus as an excuse.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Australia and India are two of the richest board and they do not need to play a lot of international matches to generate revenue. The virus strain was still present when these two countries were playing matches. Since it was a home series Australia did not have any issue at that time, and the Indian board wanted to cash in. That is why they played and now they only using the virus as an excuse.

I can't agree with this. Australia is having very low rates of COVID 19 infection, and BCCI assessed the situation and found that the risk in touring that country was minimal. On the other hand, South Africa is one of the countries which is hit hard by the pandemic, and they have around 10,000 new cases per day (for Australia, the daily average number of new cases stand between 5 and 10). You can't even compare the situation in both the countries, as the infection rate in South Africa is almost a thousand times higher.

I have seen tweets by Pieterson and Vaughan. Either they are misinformed, or they just want to use this as an excuse for their anti-India tirade. They are essentially trying to drag in the BCCI, in an issue between the CA and the CSA.

[JSRAW]

Australia and India are two of the richest board and they do not need to play a lot of international matches to generate revenue. The virus strain was still present when these two countries were playing matches. Since it was a home series Australia did not have any issue at that time, and the Indian board wanted to cash in. That is why they played and now they only using the virus as an excuse.

I can't agree with this. Australia is having very low rates of COVID 19 infection, and BCCI assessed the situation and found that the risk in touring that country was minimal. On the other hand, South Africa is one of the countries which is hit hard by the pandemic, and they have around 10,000 new cases per day (for Australia, the daily average number of new cases stand between 5 and 10). You can't even compare the situation in both the countries, as the infection rate in South Africa is almost a thousand times higher.

I have seen tweets by Pieterson and Vaughan. Either they are misinformed, or they just want to use this as an excuse for their anti-India tirade. They are essentially trying to drag in the BCCI, in an issue between the CA and the CSA.

While i can understand CA concern but if we go by this logic then Australia/Pakistan/West Indies should have cancelled their England's tour as well. After all UK was in really bad situation at that time as far as COVID go but they didn't.

[UmerIdrees]

BTW, there is good news from Pakistan:

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/psl-2021-fans-up-to-20-stadium-capacity-allowed-to-attend-matches-2363243

For the upcoming PSL tournament, fans will be allowed inside the stadiums (up to 20% of the capacity).

This is indeed good that few people will be allowed in the stadiums to watch the matches. However, i wished that if few matches of the PSL could be held in this newly build spectacular stadium also.

[Vishnu.Reang]

This is indeed good that few people will be allowed in the stadiums to watch the matches. However, i wished that if few matches of the PSL could be held in this newly build spectacular stadium also.

May be they could hold a few matches in locations such as Gwadar, Chitral, Athmuqam.etc. But logistics could be challenging. Nowadays, only a small fraction of the revenues for the cricket boards come from gate collection. So they can afford to host cricket matches away from major population centers.

Even in India, there were proposals to develop the existing cricket stadiums in tourist destinations such as Shillong, Chail, Darjeeling, Imphal, Port Blair.etc. But due to one reason or other, none of the proposals made much movement (perhaps with the exception of Dharamshala in HP and Krishnagiri in Wynad). In particular I would like to see a few IPL matches staged in Shillong, because it is such a beautiful city. 

[coin_1122]

In the latest news, cricket Australia have cancelled the Australian tour of South Africa due to the virus and the concerns about the new virus strain. They offered for South Africa to come play in Australia but they knocked it back which is understandable. I'm sure something could be worked out like we have been seeing with other series going on.

South Africa is going through a very bad phase right now, with increasing number of infections and deaths, so the reluctance from the part of the Australian side to tour that country is perfectly justifiable. The South Africans are not very happy about it, and understandably so. The Australian tour was their chance of getting the finances back on track, and now that is gone as well. They have the option of traveling to Australia, but then the TV rights will stay with CA rather than CSA.

@Sithara007 it’s a sad decision for cricket fans because I was really looking forward to this series, but sadly one cannot do anything about it. Another option for them was to host the series in Dubai like Pakistan did, and then split the revenue with each other.

Source:

https://www.quora.com/Why-does-Pakistan-play-cricket-only-in-Abu-Dhabi-as-a-mutual-venue

You are right, Dubai is the most admirable place for cricket because when there is any risk in specified countries most of the countries will decide to conduct the cricket matches in Dubai and they will share the revenue, it has already happened many times in the history.

[Vishnu.Reang]

You are right, Dubai is the most admirable place for cricket because when there is any risk in specified countries most of the countries will decide to conduct the cricket matches in Dubai and they will share the revenue, it has already happened many times in the history.

It is not just the revenue-sharing agreement and low chances of rain. The topmost advantage in playing cricket in the UAE is that they don't have to pay any entertainment tax or income tax there (UAE doesn't have any of these taxes). When the BCCI conducted IPL in UAE, they saved around 30% of the total amount in the form of tax waiver on ticket sales and GST. The players also benefitted, as they were excluded from personal income tax (which can be as high as 43% in India). And obviously playing in India means providing favors to the politicians and bureaucrats in the from of free tickets and dinners.

[UmerIdrees]

Even in India, there were proposals to develop the existing cricket stadiums in tourist destinations such as Shillong, Chail, Darjeeling, Imphal, Port Blair.etc. But due to one reason or other, none of the proposals made much movement (perhaps with the exception of Dharamshala in HP and Krishnagiri in Wynad). In particular I would like to see a few IPL matches staged in Shillong, because it is such a beautiful city. 

Does Indian tourist destinations which you mentioned like Shillong, Chail etc have international stadium already built there ? If they already have the stadiums there, then they should host the international matches there.
As far as Pakistani cricket stadium is concerned, its newly built and i am hopeful we may see some PSL matches there in 2022.

[Sithara007]

Does Indian tourist destinations which you mentioned like Shillong, Chail etc have international stadium already built there ? If they already have the stadiums there, then they should host the international matches there.
As far as Pakistani cricket stadium is concerned, its newly built and i am hopeful we may see some PSL matches there in 2022.

If I am not wrong, Chail do have a cricket stadium which is being used for first class matches. The ground has a long history, having established by the Maharajah of Patiala in 1893. It is regarded as the highest cricket ground in the world with first class status (2,444 meters above sea level). The scenery is really beautiful, surrounded by pine and deodar forests. The boundaries are a bit small for my liking though.

 

[bryant.coleman]

Does Indian tourist destinations which you mentioned like Shillong, Chail etc have international stadium already built there ? If they already have the stadiums there, then they should host the international matches there.
As far as Pakistani cricket stadium is concerned, its newly built and i am hopeful we may see some PSL matches there in 2022.

Shillong used to be the capital of undivided Assam. But once Meghalaya was separated from Assam, it lost its multicultural image. Nowadays ethnic clashes are very common in that city and the locals are not very fond of outsiders residing there. They even prevented a proposed railway line, saying that it will cause outsiders migrating to Shillong. And you can assume what will be their reaction, if there is a proposal to upgrade the Shillong cricket stadium.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

Even in India, there were proposals to develop the existing cricket stadiums in tourist destinations such as Shillong, Chail, Darjeeling, Imphal, Port Blair.etc. But due to one reason or other, none of the proposals made much movement (perhaps with the exception of Dharamshala in HP and Krishnagiri in Wynad). In particular I would like to see a few IPL matches staged in Shillong, because it is such a beautiful city. 

Why destroy the beauty and built these stadiums where the international matches will not take place because of the lack of an airport near by and the amount of hours they need to travel by road and with the heavy schedule these players have it is impossible to have matches in Dharamshala. These places are echo friendly cites and it is difficult to get permission to create these structures.

[7788bitcoin]

The topmost advantage in playing cricket in the UAE is that they don't have to pay any entertainment tax or income tax there (UAE doesn't have any of these taxes). When the BCCI conducted IPL in UAE, they saved around 30% of the total amount in the form of tax waiver on ticket sales and GST. The players also benefitted, as they were excluded from personal income tax (which can be as high as 43% in India). And obviously playing in India means providing favors to the politicians and bureaucrats in the from of free tickets and dinners.

I do understand the weaver in Entertainment tax but how can a player avoid income tax by playing a month in Dubai ?. The organizing team will save a lot of money because they do not have the taxes imposed like other countries but income tax is not one of them and every player will pay their taxes even if they play in tax free zones .

[Indymoney]

Even in India, there were proposals to develop the existing cricket stadiums in tourist destinations such as Shillong, Chail, Darjeeling, Imphal, Port Blair.etc. But due to one reason or other, none of the proposals made much movement (perhaps with the exception of Dharamshala in HP and Krishnagiri in Wynad). In particular I would like to see a few IPL matches staged in Shillong, because it is such a beautiful city. 

Why destroy the beauty and built these stadiums where the international matches will not take place because of the lack of an airport near by and the amount of hours they need to travel by road and with the heavy schedule these players have it is impossible to have matches in Dharamshala. These places are echo friendly cites and it is difficult to get permission to create these structures.

It has been not a good idea to have Cricket Stadium or any other sports like this in a tourist destination because it's going to hurt natural beauty very badly which is never been good in Asia we have many big countries, and they can construct stadiums on good and suitable places which are going to help them financially because tourist destinations are giving their part as well so going to do things like this never been acceptable.

[UmerIdrees]

Even in India, there were proposals to develop the existing cricket stadiums in tourist destinations such as Shillong, Chail, Darjeeling, Imphal, Port Blair.etc. But due to one reason or other, none of the proposals made much movement (perhaps with the exception of Dharamshala in HP and Krishnagiri in Wynad). In particular I would like to see a few IPL matches staged in Shillong, because it is such a beautiful city. 

Why destroy the beauty and built these stadiums where the international matches will not take place because of the lack of an airport near by and the amount of hours they need to travel by road and with the heavy schedule these players have it is impossible to have matches in Dharamshala. These places are echo friendly cites and it is difficult to get permission to create these structures.

Can't they use helicopter to drop the players on these stadiums which are difficult access otherwise because of long distance from the airports ?
It is always nice to play some matches at places where are not in the city and more close to nature.

[Sithara007]

The topmost advantage in playing cricket in the UAE is that they don't have to pay any entertainment tax or income tax there (UAE doesn't have any of these taxes). When the BCCI conducted IPL in UAE, they saved around 30% of the total amount in the form of tax waiver on ticket sales and GST. The players also benefitted, as they were excluded from personal income tax (which can be as high as 43% in India). And obviously playing in India means providing favors to the politicians and bureaucrats in the from of free tickets and dinners.

I do understand the weaver in Entertainment tax but how can a player avoid income tax by playing a month in Dubai ?. The organizing team will save a lot of money because they do not have the taxes imposed like other countries but income tax is not one of them and every player will pay their taxes even if they play in tax free zones .

In India, we don't need to pay taxes on the income that is earned in other countries. So any income that is generated in the UAE is not considered for tax purposes in India. And there is no income tax in the UAE as well. UAE is one of the few countries, where there is no tax on your income. So it is a win-win situation for players who take part in tournaments that are held in the UAE. On the other hand, player income for IPL and other tournaments that are held in India are subjected to Indian income tax (maximum rate of 42.7%).

[Juggy777]

The topmost advantage in playing cricket in the UAE is that they don't have to pay any entertainment tax or income tax there (UAE doesn't have any of these taxes). When the BCCI conducted IPL in UAE, they saved around 30% of the total amount in the form of tax waiver on ticket sales and GST. The players also benefitted, as they were excluded from personal income tax (which can be as high as 43% in India). And obviously playing in India means providing favors to the politicians and bureaucrats in the from of free tickets and dinners.

I do understand the weaver in Entertainment tax but how can a player avoid income tax by playing a month in Dubai ?. The organizing team will save a lot of money because they do not have the taxes imposed like other countries but income tax is not one of them and every player will pay their taxes even if they play in tax free zones .

In India, we don't need to pay taxes on the income that is earned in other countries. So any income that is generated in the UAE is not considered for tax purposes in India. And there is no income tax in the UAE as well. UAE is one of the few countries, where there is no tax on your income. So it is a win-win situation for players who take part in tournaments that are held in the UAE. On the other hand, player income for IPL and other tournaments that are held in India are subjected to Indian income tax (maximum rate of 42.7%).

@Sithara007 I believe that there’s some confusion, because IPL franchises and player’s are subject to VAT in Dubai which was introduced in 2018. However due to some miscommunication both sides felt that they don’t need to pay the taxes, however if you see the law you’ll realise that they indeed need to pay taxes in Dubai.

n IPL 2014, when 20 of the matches were played in UAE, no such tax law existed. But as per the new taxation structures, players’ salaries are bound to come under VAT TAX in UAE according to the experts.

“As per the new taxation norms in UAE, VAT will be levied on the IPL player salaries as they are providing services to the franchises”, said one of the representative of Shuraa Tax Consultants based out of UAE.

Source:

https://www.insidesport.co/ipl-2020-new-vat-laws-in-uae-can-stump-ipl-2020-stakeholders-ipl-players-salaries-can-also-be-taxed/

[Vishnu.Reang]

^^^ I guess UAE introduced VAT from 2018 onwards. But the rates are just 5%. Now compare it with 43% income tax that the players need to deposit if the tournament is held in India. Here the players are saving an additional 35%-40%. Actually this is one of the disadvantages of holding tournaments in India. Many of the countries give tax-free status to major sports events in their country. The Indian government also needs to do the same.

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In India, we don't need to pay taxes on the income that is earned in other countries. So any income that is generated in the UAE is not considered for tax purposes in India. And there is no income tax in the UAE as well. UAE is one of the few countries, where there is no tax on your income. So it is a win-win situation for players who take part in tournaments that are held in the UAE. On the other hand, player income for IPL and other tournaments that are held in India are subjected to Indian income tax (maximum rate of 42.7%).

I am not aware of these rules, so basically you can travel to other country and work and you are excluded from paying the taxes even with temporary permits, that is a really great opportunity if that is the situation and that means all the tours India makes oversees, the players are not subject to the match fees as income tax, they only need to pay for the matches played in India ?.