Cricket match prediction discussions

[Sithara007]

We can find a very good link between ICC and India. ICC said no and India also did not send their team but it was still a success. And this is not only the case in India. I think the four big countries which are playing cricket regularly are very much responsible for cricket not being a popular game worldwide. But this could obviously change if ICC had the balls to take their decisions alone and not depend on others. ICC is the culprit here along with the big four. There is a reason why almost everyone started hating the top 4 cricket-playing nations and this is not going to end well for cricket and also ICC if cricket is not popularized soon enough.

The ICC is currently under the control of the big-4. When Shashank Manohar was the chairman, he was very supportive of the smaller boards. But then, the big-4 managed to install their nominee (a businessmen called Greg Barclay) as the chairman. As soon as he became the chairman, the process for inclusion of cricket in 2028 Olympics got stuck and the application was not made on time. Now it is clear that cricket won't be a part of the 2028 Olympics. Barclay came up with a statement, claiming that he is interested in the inclusion of cricket for the 2032 Olympics. As we all know, he will find some excuse to delay it further.

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[Juggy777]

This is true, and in particular few countries are in dominance. Why this is happening? All are due to the revenue generated out of cricket. If cricket is taken to Olympics and to other World level meets, automatically there'll be more countries participation. This will make ICC loss its control. [..]

90% of the revenue of the International Cricket Council goes from India, which is why the Indian Cricket Board holds the highest dominance over other boards.

The only solution is; There should be maximum number of bilateral series so that other boards should also stand on their feet and not be ruled by only one board.

Every cricketing nation needs to be given equally space. India have got more audience for cricket and that's the reason why ICC is dominated by India. When we talk of bilateral series, low ranked teams need to be given opportunity to play against the top teams. Only such match schedules can help in the improvement of the low bottom team's performance.

I agree with you. The big problem for small teams in cricket is that they do not get chance to play with big teams. That is why big teams are always on top. I think ICC should take action in this regard and create a fixture of the whole countries. Otherwise, it is not possible to expect the progress of cricket. They have to make strict rules that there must be strong and week team series. Otherwise they will not be able to take part in the World Cup. I think if there were such strict rules implemented everyone would agree to play with a small team.

I have stopped expecting that ICC will be free from the clutches of the top 3 boards i.e. India, Australia, and England and from ICC point of view these 3 alone contribute a lot to their revenues hence they can’t afford to piss them off. However ICC alone can’t be blamed because boards like WI, SA indulged in corruption and in the process destroyed their reputation and thus lost their power in ICC, plus fans prefer more big 3 matches then watching small teams play hence the big 3 have grown more powerful.

[Sithara007]

I have stopped expecting that ICC will be free from the clutches of the top 3 boards i.e. India, Australia, and England and from ICC point of view these 3 alone contribute a lot to their revenues hence they can’t afford to piss them off. However ICC alone can’t be blamed because boards like WI, SA indulged in corruption and in the process destroyed their reputation and thus lost their power in ICC, plus fans prefer more big 3 matches then watching small teams play hence the big 3 have grown more powerful.

Out of the 20 votes in ICC, the pig-4 controls only around 40%. If the smaller boards unite, then it will be possible for them to stand up to the pig-4. But the problem is that the smaller boards themselves are corrupt and the pig-4 easily manipulate them with offers of bilateral tours. A good example is what happened during the chairman elections. The pig-4 managed to make their candidate the chairman, with help from some of the smaller boards. A deserving candidate and former international player ended up losing to a pig-4 nominated businessman.

[CryptoYar]

Every cricketing nation needs to be given equally space.

The purpose of this organization was to ensure that all cricket teams have equal rights, but quite literally they've failed to do so.

Here you need some correction it's not 90% it's about 70% to 75% and just because of cricket is having very limited market India is the biggest country so BCCI is taking advantage of this all which is surely killing many good things.

Rameez Raja had told in one of his statements that 90% of the International Cricket Council's revenue come from India.

"ICC Is Funded 90% By BCCI, "-- PCB Chairman Ramiz Raja

[Sithara007]

The purpose of this organization was to ensure that all cricket teams have equal rights, but quite literally they've failed to do so.

LOL... that will never happen. Take FIFA for example. All the 211 national associations are having equal votes. World champions Brazil and Argentina have the same voting rights as tiny pacific island of Nauru. But in case of ICC, the voting rights are not equal. The 90 plus associate nations have combined 3 votes, while each of the test nations are having 1 vote each. And the pig4 nations have more than 4 votes combined, because usually the chairman and some other voting members are their proxies.

[fuguebtc]

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The ICC is currently under the control of the big-4. When Shashank Manohar was the chairman, he was very supportive of the smaller boards. But then, the big-4 managed to install their nominee (a businessmen called Greg Barclay) as the chairman. As soon as he became the chairman, the process for inclusion of cricket in 2028 Olympics got stuck and the application was not made on time. Now it is clear that cricket won't be a part of the 2028 Olympics. Barclay came up with a statement, claiming that he is interested in the inclusion of cricket for the 2032 Olympics. As we all know, he will find some excuse to delay it further.

The problem with ICC is that they don't have any balls, to be honest.  They cannot do what they are supposed to because they don't have the authority over all the teams that they should have as a cricket sports body. And that is not going to change for a long time because if you give them the power that you should have had, they are not going to give that power back to you anytime soon. 

This will be a big problem for the smaller teams which are trying to get better and more popular in the world because of cricket.

The bigger teams are certainly not going to allow that to happen. Because they would want to stay in power, if the teams which are not very big are trying to get better, they will eventually get better and it will cause a lot of problems for the teams that are in power. There will be too much competition and the system that the big four adore, is going to fail.

[Webetcoins]

The purpose of this organization was to ensure that all cricket teams have equal rights, but quite literally they've failed to do so.

LOL... that will never happen. Take FIFA for example. All the 211 national associations are having equal votes. World champions Brazil and Argentina have the same voting rights as tiny pacific island of Nauru. But in case of ICC, the voting rights are not equal. The 90 plus associate nations have combined 3 votes, while each of the test nations are having 1 vote each. And the pig4 nations have more than 4 votes combined, because usually the chairman and some other voting members are their proxies.

With due respect I read many pages here on this thread and also check few other things as well now understanding main problem is ICC and B-4 in progress of cricket if these settled and have same rights like associates then surely we can bring some revolutionary changes otherwise it's going to be more troubles in near future and nothing positive can happen with current situation.

ICC need to be like FIFA or any other sports authority which giving equal rights to all nations and if India wants big share then surely they can give them in financial not in any other case because for me, it's their right with having more than 75% revenue coming from their territory. ICC's B-4 also need to understand this all and bring some better changes which will help them as well.

[CryptoBuds]

The purpose of this organization was to ensure that all cricket teams have equal rights, but quite literally they've failed to do so.

LOL... that will never happen. Take FIFA for example. All the 211 national associations are having equal votes. World champions Brazil and Argentina have the same voting rights as tiny pacific island of Nauru. But in case of ICC, the voting rights are not equal. The 90 plus associate nations have combined 3 votes, while each of the test nations are having 1 vote each. And the pig4 nations have more than 4 votes combined, because usually the chairman and some other voting members are their proxies.

With due respect I read many pages here on this thread and also check few other things as well now understanding main problem is ICC and B-4 in progress of cricket if these settled and have same rights like associates then surely we can bring some revolutionary changes otherwise it's going to be more troubles in near future and nothing positive can happen with current situation.

ICC need to be like FIFA or any other sports authority which giving equal rights to all nations and if India wants big share then surely they can give them in financial not in any other case because for me, it's their right with having more than 75% revenue coming from their territory. ICC's B-4 also need to understand this all and bring some better changes which will help them as well.

^^ ICC is absolutely the opposite of FIFA. FIFA always tries to make all the teams feel important and they try to make sure that every team has their say in whatever is happening, they are also trying to get better and eventually get better really quick. 

But in the case of ICC, it is absolutely the opposite. They just care about what is happening in the top 10 and especially abide by every word of the top four, or should I say big 4?  ICC leaves no stone unturned to make the smaller teams feel inferior compared to the other big teams.

[Sithara007]

^^ ICC is absolutely the opposite of FIFA. FIFA always tries to make all the teams feel important and they try to make sure that every team has their say in whatever is happening, they are also trying to get better and eventually get better really quick. 

But in the case of ICC, it is absolutely the opposite. They just care about what is happening in the top 10 and especially abide by every word of the top four, or should I say big 4?  ICC leaves no stone unturned to make the smaller teams feel inferior compared to the other big teams.

FIFA is mostly managed by former players. In case of the ICC, and for most of the national boards, they are being managed by people with hardly any connection with cricket. For around 10-15 years, the BCCI was dominated by businessman N Srinivasan and politician Sharad Pawar. These two were the first to propose the big-3 system to distribute revenues. Now the system has improved slightly, because Sourav Ganguly is the head of BCCI. But many of the state associations in India are still being managed by politicians.

[vennali]

England vs India T20 tonight and England are favs to win at this moment but the odds are very close. I personally think England should be winning the match. India are on a 4 match unbeaten streak in T20 but against lesser teams like Ireland and South Africa. Even the South African series turned into a draw 2-2 with the final match being abandoned due to bad weather.

[CryptoYar]

[...]otherwise it's going to be more troubles in near future and nothing positive can happen with current situation.

I agree with you, otherwise, cricket will be limited to simply a few countries (big- 4 or top 10)

ICC need to be like FIFA or any other sports authority which giving equal rights to all nations and if India wants big share then surely they can give them in financial not in any other case ~

Damn again I gotta agree with you

We all know that most of the revenue of International Cricket council comes from India whether it is 70%-80 or 90% India should get a bigger share out of this, but the International Cricket Council should not behave like hired ***

[...]They just care about what is happening in the top 10 and especially abide by every word of the top four, or should I say big 4?  ICC leaves no stone unturned to make the smaller teams feel inferior compared to the other big teams.

Umm, big-4 in my opinion!

[Sithara007]

We all know that most of the revenue of International Cricket council comes from India whether it is 70%-80 or 90% India should get a bigger share out of this, but the International Cricket Council should not behave like hired ***

I don't agree with this logic. In sports such as football and baseball, the vast majority of the revenues come from Europe and the US. But that doesn't give them access to a larger share of funds. They get as much funds as everyone else receive. So why an exception should be given for cricket. And this argument came up only during the Srinivasan-Pawar years. Before that, the revenue distribution of the ICC used to be very uniform for all the countries. But at the same time, there is no point in providing Zimbabwe with the same amount of funds as that for India.

[CryptoBuds]

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FIFA is mostly managed by former players. In case of the ICC, and for most of the national boards, they are being managed by people with hardly any connection with cricket. For around 10-15 years, the BCCI was dominated by businessman N Srinivasan and politician Sharad Pawar. These two were the first to propose the big-3 system to distribute revenues. Now the system has improved slightly, because Sourav Ganguly is the head of BCCI. But many of the state associations in India are still being managed by politicians.

^ The big three systems have to be changed otherwise cricket is not going to prosper in the long run. ICC has to assert dominance over all the teams equally and they should be able to improve the quality of the smaller teams as well. Additionally, the big three do not help the smaller teams at all in order to retain their dominance in the ICC. It is also the ICC that is responsible for the problem because they are not changing the system, they are not even trying. ICC needs to post cricket to be in the Olympics. That is going to be the most relevant target because that is most likely to bring attention from a lot of countries that do not play cricket regularly.

Umm, big-4 in my opinion!

^ Equal votes should be the system for everyone because that is going to be better in the long run and every team is likely to be equally influential. Just like the system that we have in FIFA. Giving any team a little more power is liable to cost them abusing that power. So, ICC must take steps to change these problems that we currently have in cricket and also try to get cricket included in the Olympics.

[JSRAW]

We all know that most of the revenue of International Cricket council comes from India whether it is 70%-80 or 90% India should get a bigger share out of this, but the International Cricket Council should not behave like hired ***

I don't agree with this logic. In sports such as football and baseball, the vast majority of the revenues come from Europe and the US. But that doesn't give them access to a larger share of funds. They get as much funds as everyone else receive. So why an exception should be given for cricket. And this argument came up only during the Srinivasan-Pawar years. Before that, the revenue distribution of the ICC used to be very uniform for all the countries. But at the same time, there is no point in providing Zimbabwe with the same amount of funds as that for India.

How many WC/ Tourney does FIFA have in comparison to ICC?

ICC have 10 tournament in this decade and WTC is not included.

2022 T-20 WC
2023 ODI WC
2024 T-20 WC
2025 Champions Trophy
2026 T-20 WC
2027 ODI WC
2028 T-20 WC
2029 Champions Trophy
2030 T-20 WC
2021 Champions Trophy

ICC can have 1 WC every 4 years and then they could follow FIFA type system, if not then it's not fair and might look like a new form of colonization.

[Sithara007]

How many WC/ Tourney does FIFA have in comparison to ICC?

OK.. you have listed 3 tournaments organized by the ICC: ODI World Cup, T20 World Cup and Champions Trophy. On the other hand, FIFA and the regional confederations organize the following tournaments:

1. FIFA World Cup
2. FIFA World Cup qualifiers (where everyone need to take part aside from the hosts)
3. Euro Cup
4. Confederations Cup
5. Copa America
6. Olympic Games football competition
7. OFC Nations Cup
8. CONCACAF Gold Cup
9. AFC Asian Cup
10. Africa Cup of Nations
11. African Nations Championship
12. FIFA Arab Cup
13. UEFA Nations League
14. CONCACAF Nations League
15. AFF Championship

I can list dozens more.. but don't want the post to be too spammy.

[JSRAW]

How many WC/ Tourney does FIFA have in comparison to ICC?

OK.. you have listed 3 tournaments organized by the ICC: ODI World Cup, T20 World Cup and Champions Trophy. On the other hand, FIFA and the regional confederations organize the following tournaments:

1. FIFA World Cup
2. FIFA World Cup qualifiers (where everyone need to take part aside from the hosts)
3. Euro Cup
4. Confederations Cup
5. Copa America
6. Olympic Games football competition
7. OFC Nations Cup
8. CONCACAF Gold Cup
9. AFC Asian Cup
10. Africa Cup of Nations
11. African Nations Championship
12. FIFA Arab Cup
13. UEFA Nations League
14. CONCACAF Nations League
15. AFF Championship

I can list dozens more.. but don't want the post to be too spammy.

Point taken.

Having said that i guess i should've said WC only and not Tournaments (regional tournaments) because i like to believe that they don't share "X" regional tournament revenue to "Y" regional Tournament, unless it's WC.

[wiss19]

ICC have 10 tournament in this decade and WTC is not included.

2022 T-20 WC
2023 ODI WC
2024 T-20 WC
2025 Champions Trophy
2026 T-20 WC
2027 ODI WC
2028 T-20 WC
2029 Champions Trophy
2030 T-20 WC
2021 Champions Trophy

ICC can have 1 WC every 4 years and then they could follow FIFA type system, if not then it's not fair and might look like a new form of colonization.

With regard now I am feeling ICC can go through like FIFA if they want to secure this game of cricket and surely this is going to increase their revenue as well just stop this ODI drama because this is waste of time nothing positive going to happen with this in near future and Champions Trophy is also dead idea which is having not good impact on game mean this is going to be good with this all T-20 after every two years and WTC is also needed to be with same passage like two years surely going to be good for them and all other members.

If FIFA can give WC to Qatar then surely we can also do this T-20 WC to every country, and it's going to increase some good revenue of this country and ICC as well. Just take some positive steps and change this all crap calendar for better future of game with T-20 and WTC is enough for us with T-20 is going to be 16 teams event which will help for improve of quality.

[Sithara007]

Point taken.

Having said that i guess i should've said WC only and not Tournaments (regional tournaments) because i like to believe that they don't share "X" regional tournament revenue to "Y" regional Tournament, unless it's WC.

OK.. still the number is higher with FIFA. I can list these ones:

1. FIFA World Cup
2. FIFA World Cup qualifiers
3. Confederations Cup
4. Olympic Games football competition
5. Olympic qualifiers

Anyway, I agree with the argument that it is very difficult to compare these two sports bodies. There is hardly any similarity, in terms of style of functioning and administration.

[GigaBit]

INDIA vs ENGLAND
England did not perform well in the last T20 match. They lost all their wickets in 149 runs. However, many are speculating that though their batting side is comparatively good but bowling action is not good enough against India . Where India also wants to defeat their bowling. In the 2nd T20 match England can defeat India? However, there will have another T20 match soon. Let's see what happens to them.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

INDIA vs ENGLAND
England did not perform well in the last T20 match. They lost all their wickets in 149 runs. However, many are speculating that though their batting side is comparatively good but bowling action is not good enough against India . Where India also wants to defeat their bowling. In the 2nd T20 match England can defeat India? However, there will have another T20 match soon. Let's see what happens to them.

You can discuss this T20I match in T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion.

Anyway, I agree with the argument that it is very difficult to compare these two sports bodies. There is hardly any similarity, in terms of style of functioning and administration.

Cricket is a game that is hijacked by big 3 countries and there is no roam for small boards and associate teams here. While FIFA is quite matured and decentralized federation. We cant compare these two federations, at least for a decade.