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September 22, 2017, 03:21:53 AM
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So do you think the Chinese government is going to shutdown Paul's new exchange?

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/chinese-bitcoin-exchange-executives-banned-leaving-country-report/



Chinese LEO: Paul Vernon, you no leave country!
Paul: Damnit!

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September 22, 2017, 02:30:24 PM
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I submitted my claim before the deadline, have not gotten anything regarding acceptance or rejection yet.  I emailed them for a status update at the end of 8/31 and heard back from them on 9/13.  It was generic but basically said disbursement would probably start Q1 2018.  They didn't say I was or was not included.  I'll give it through the weekend and email again if I don't hear anything.
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September 22, 2017, 08:40:27 PM
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I submitted my claim before the deadline, have not gotten anything regarding acceptance or rejection yet.  I emailed them for a status update at the end of 8/31 and heard back from them on 9/13.  It was generic but basically said disbursement would probably start Q1 2018.  They didn't say I was or was not included.  I'll give it through the weekend and email again if I don't hear anything.

My e-mail from "cryptsy settlement" was in the junk e-mail folder.
Have you checked that?

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September 23, 2017, 12:03:14 AM
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So do you think the Chinese government is going to shutdown Paul's new exchange?

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/chinese-bitcoin-exchange-executives-banned-leaving-country-report/



Chinese LEO: Paul Vernon, you no leave country!
Paul: Damnit!



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September 23, 2017, 06:58:43 PM
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So do you think the Chinese government is going to shutdown Paul's new exchange?

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/chinese-bitcoin-exchange-executives-banned-leaving-country-report/


Chinese LEO: Paul Vernon, you no leave country!
Paul: Damnit!



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@gembitz, you have redeemed your sorry self!  That was priceless.

Does any of this look familiar?

https://coinjournal.net/cftc-gelfman-blueprint-bitcoin-ponzi-scheme/   <----  Homero GARZA also cited here.

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Gelfman went as far as staging a fake computer hack to conceal the losses.
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September 23, 2017, 07:20:07 PM
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Is this the biggest thread on this board? Was a legendary scam back in the day.

biggest thread I know of is

Wall Observer 17857 replies

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.0;topicseen
In fact it's even more spectacular than that. 17,857 is the page count. Total replies is 357,462  Shocked
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September 23, 2017, 07:25:11 PM
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Ok so I just called the toll number, they told me they don't accept videos. + my screen shots of my account were in 2014 and the ones on 2015 are just logins to my account. Should I seek other lawyers in the US who accept videos? I was sure my video was enough I mean why would I take a screen shot if I have a video.

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Is it a good idea to take screen shots of the video even though it was from my phone meaning it's not a screen shot from a PC or laptop?

FWIW my evidence was smartphone photos of pc screen showing balance & date info. So it shouldn't matter if it's not a "proper" screenshot IMO.

I would imagine that, annoying as it is, a still photo will usually go down better in cases like this as it will make it easier to keep a paper file of evidence, share discovery, etc.
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September 24, 2017, 09:45:22 AM
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... I find it rather incomprehensible that the class action did not hire people in the know of the crypto-world. ...

Hello rosmo01,

I sent them an excel-file with more than 2800 transactions.
I put it in a table like they wanted: cryptocoin, date, amout (only this worksheet has 39 pages, it is insane to send this by snail mail)
and additionaly for each coin a extra worksheet with transaction id for each transaction.
Screanshots as of end 2015. I added every transaction with the help of blockexporers for every coin.

And they write me that I did not send them sufficient evidence.

I have also an email from them where they write me that they got the email and all the files.

I am realy angry.  Angry Angry Angry

This is why we realy need bitcoin and blockchaintechnology... You can not trust these people.

Good luck,
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September 24, 2017, 11:03:44 AM
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... I find it rather incomprehensible that the class action did not hire people in the know of the crypto-world. ...

Hello rosmo01,

I sent them an excel-file with more than 2800 transactions.
I put it in a table like they wanted: cryptocoin, date, amout (only this worksheet has 39 pages, it is insane to send this by snail mail)
and additionaly for each coin a extra worksheet with transaction id for each transaction.
Screanshots as of end 2015. I added every transaction with the help of blockexporers for every coin.

And they write me that I did not send them sufficient evidence.

I have also an email from them where they write me that they got the email and all the files.

I am realy angry.  Angry Angry Angry

This is why we realy need bitcoin and blockchaintechnology... You can not trust these people.

Good luck,
Zorro

That is an amazing number of transactions! I hope you didn't loose too much!

That said - it seems they handle the claims very randomly and inconsistently, and I also have now clue as to why they do not tell us what exactly is missing/why the documentation is insufficient! Where is the assistance in getting it right?

And why did their initial claims process accept documentation by email and not anymore? Very inconsistent indeed!

Their initial information states that "account statements" are accepted documentation. Traditional fiat banks do issue that, but in more and more countries only available when you are logged in to the online account, so not sent to your email address of choice - I don't know of a single crypto exchange that issue account statements, so how are we supposed to give them that? That leaves screen shots  as the only remaining accepted documentation. Not a single mention of wallet address and its inherent privacy that only the holder has the private key to, and furthermore backing up the incoming and outgoing transactions. The only problem for me was that I never deposited BTC, so I don't have the Cryptsy BTC address, but the withdrawal confirmation email has a unique and short lasting ID, date and wallet address and amount which can be validated against that address and your transaction history of that said address.

Nothing of the blockchain nature is accepted as documentation, and this is why I have doubts as to their competence. A screenshot can be falsified in so many ways.....
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September 24, 2017, 03:58:00 PM
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... I find it rather incomprehensible that the class action did not hire people in the know of the crypto-world. ...

Hello rosmo01,

I sent them an excel-file with more than 2800 transactions.
I put it in a table like they wanted: cryptocoin, date, amout (only this worksheet has 39 pages, it is insane to send this by snail mail)
and additionaly for each coin a extra worksheet with transaction id for each transaction.
Screanshots as of end 2015. I added every transaction with the help of blockexporers for every coin.

And they write me that I did not send them sufficient evidence.

I have also an email from them where they write me that they got the email and all the files.

I am realy angry.  Angry Angry Angry

This is why we realy need bitcoin and blockchaintechnology... You can not trust these people.

Good luck,
Zorro

That is an amazing number of transactions! I hope you didn't loose too much!

That said - it seems they handle the claims very randomly and inconsistently, and I also have now clue as to why they do not tell us what exactly is missing/why the documentation is insufficient! Where is the assistance in getting it right?

And why did their initial claims process accept documentation by email and not anymore? Very inconsistent indeed!

Their initial information states that "account statements" are accepted documentation. Traditional fiat banks do issue that, but in more and more countries only available when you are logged in to the online account, so not sent to your email address of choice - I don't know of a single crypto exchange that issue account statements, so how are we supposed to give them that? That leaves screen shots  as the only remaining accepted documentation. Not a single mention of wallet address and its inherent privacy that only the holder has the private key to, and furthermore backing up the incoming and outgoing transactions. The only problem for me was that I never deposited BTC, so I don't have the Cryptsy BTC address, but the withdrawal confirmation email has a unique and short lasting ID, date and wallet address and amount which can be validated against that address and your transaction history of that said address.

Nothing of the blockchain nature is accepted as documentation, and this is why I have doubts as to their competence. A screenshot can be falsified in so many ways.....

Playing devil's advocate, I could easily submit a tx ID of a transaction to one of Cryptsy's known bitcoin wallet addresses claiming it my own.

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September 24, 2017, 08:29:20 PM
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... I find it rather incomprehensible that the class action did not hire people in the know of the crypto-world. ...

Hello rosmo01,

I sent them an excel-file with more than 2800 transactions.
I put it in a table like they wanted: cryptocoin, date, amout (only this worksheet has 39 pages, it is insane to send this by snail mail)
and additionaly for each coin a extra worksheet with transaction id for each transaction.
Screanshots as of end 2015. I added every transaction with the help of blockexporers for every coin.

And they write me that I did not send them sufficient evidence.

I have also an email from them where they write me that they got the email and all the files.

I am realy angry.  Angry Angry Angry

This is why we realy need bitcoin and blockchaintechnology... You can not trust these people.

Good luck,
Zorro

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I sent them an excel-file with more than 2800 transactions.
I put it in a table like they wanted: cryptocoin, date, amout (only this worksheet has 39 pages, it is insane to send this by snail mail)
and additionaly for each coin a extra worksheet with transaction id for each transaction.
Screenshots as of end 2015. I added every transaction with the help of block explorers for every coin.
  ^ CASE DENIED!

"HELP!" I lost 5 gazillion Bitcoins at Cryptsy and have no evidence!"  <-----  CASE ACCEPTED!
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September 25, 2017, 01:55:04 AM
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From the desk of Good News, Bad News:

Met a dude from China last night, so I picked his brain.

Good News: The Chinese Bitcoiners have no use for Marshall Long.

Bad News: No sightings of Paul Vernon, but when he's sighted, they will turn his sorry ass in.
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September 25, 2017, 01:42:44 PM
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... I find it rather incomprehensible that the class action did not hire people in the know of the crypto-world. ...

Hello rosmo01,

I sent them an excel-file with more than 2800 transactions.
I put it in a table like they wanted: cryptocoin, date, amout (only this worksheet has 39 pages, it is insane to send this by snail mail)
and additionaly for each coin a extra worksheet with transaction id for each transaction.
Screanshots as of end 2015. I added every transaction with the help of blockexporers for every coin.

And they write me that I did not send them sufficient evidence.

I have also an email from them where they write me that they got the email and all the files.

I am realy angry.  Angry Angry Angry

This is why we realy need bitcoin and blockchaintechnology... You can not trust these people.

Good luck,
Zorro

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I sent them an excel-file with more than 2800 transactions.
I put it in a table like they wanted: cryptocoin, date, amout (only this worksheet has 39 pages, it is insane to send this by snail mail)
and additionaly for each coin a extra worksheet with transaction id for each transaction.
Screenshots as of end 2015. I added every transaction with the help of block explorers for every coin.
  ^ CASE DENIED!

"HELP!" I lost 5 gazillion Bitcoins at Cryptsy and have no evidence!"  <-----  CASE ACCEPTED!

You are realy funny.

What about my screenshots?


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September 25, 2017, 06:13:25 PM
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... I find it rather incomprehensible that the class action did not hire people in the know of the crypto-world. ...

Hello rosmo01,

I sent them an excel-file with more than 2800 transactions.
I put it in a table like they wanted: cryptocoin, date, amout (only this worksheet has 39 pages, it is insane to send this by snail mail)
and additionaly for each coin a extra worksheet with transaction id for each transaction.
Screanshots as of end 2015. I added every transaction with the help of blockexporers for every coin.

And they write me that I did not send them sufficient evidence.

I have also an email from them where they write me that they got the email and all the files.

I am realy angry.  Angry Angry Angry

This is why we realy need bitcoin and blockchaintechnology... You can not trust these people.

Good luck,
Zorro

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I sent them an excel-file with more than 2800 transactions.
I put it in a table like they wanted: cryptocoin, date, amout (only this worksheet has 39 pages, it is insane to send this by snail mail)
and additionaly for each coin a extra worksheet with transaction id for each transaction.
Screenshots as of end 2015. I added every transaction with the help of block explorers for every coin.
  ^ CASE DENIED!

"HELP!" I lost 5 gazillion Bitcoins at Cryptsy and have no evidence!"  <-----  CASE ACCEPTED!

You are realy funny.

What about my screenshots?



One duck dude didn't have a screenshot, so he submitted an actually photo complete with audio ...


"Put it all in Dash on Cryptsy and you'll become even richer, Mr. SM."
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September 25, 2017, 07:05:56 PM
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NXT is only 1600? lol it was a cryptsy trollbox favorite Cool weeee


https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_nxt


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September 25, 2017, 11:19:54 PM
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... I find it rather incomprehensible that the class action did not hire people in the know of the crypto-world. ...

Hello rosmo01,

I sent them an excel-file with more than 2800 transactions.
I put it in a table like they wanted: cryptocoin, date, amout (only this worksheet has 39 pages, it is insane to send this by snail mail)
and additionaly for each coin a extra worksheet with transaction id for each transaction.
Screanshots as of end 2015. I added every transaction with the help of blockexporers for every coin.

And they write me that I did not send them sufficient evidence.

I have also an email from them where they write me that they got the email and all the files.

I am realy angry.  Angry Angry Angry

This is why we realy need bitcoin and blockchaintechnology... You can not trust these people.

Good luck,
Zorro

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I sent them an excel-file with more than 2800 transactions.
I put it in a table like they wanted: cryptocoin, date, amout (only this worksheet has 39 pages, it is insane to send this by snail mail)
and additionaly for each coin a extra worksheet with transaction id for each transaction.
Screenshots as of end 2015. I added every transaction with the help of block explorers for every coin.
  ^ CASE DENIED!

"HELP!" I lost 5 gazillion Bitcoins at Cryptsy and have no evidence!"  <-----  CASE ACCEPTED!

You are realy funny.

What about my screenshots?



TY. I was programmed for humor.

You gave them TMI.

YOUR app was TL;DR!

They don't understand that $h!t!

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September 25, 2017, 11:49:42 PM
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It's a fact the Receivers have a Cryptsy Database...maybe the whole thing for all we know.

Any claims that were perhaps "exaggerated" are being denied.

Making a spreadsheet after the fact does not count. I'd toss it myself.

The filing deadline has passed. Let's see your screenshots.

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It's a fact the Receivers have a Cryptsy Database...maybe the whole thing for all we know.

Any claims that were perhaps "exaggerated" are being denied.

Making a spreadsheet after the fact does not count. I'd toss it myself.

The filing deadline has passed. Let's see your screenshots.

You mean, victims have to low-ball themselves to stake a claim?

Yes, show us your papers "screanshots", LOL



Screenshots that make you scream = screanshots.
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Is there anyone here that got their claim accepted, is a non-us citizen and knows what we should put for the part II of the W-8 BEN from?
surely whatever funds that are eventually returned to us aren't subject to any tax?

Do you think its worth emailing the lawyers for clarification?

Claim accepted, non-us citizen:

I only filled in what country i reside in (Part II, 9)

For Part II, 10: I left it open as for it's not applicable for our case.



4Power

For everyone who is struggeling with the W-8BEN Form (especially as a German):

I just finished filling it out with some help of my lawyer.
So you have to fill in accordingly:

Everything should be filled out with -> UPPER CASE LETTERS <-
Remember that the US can't handle ß,ä,ö and ü. Use SS, AE, OE and UE instead.

Part I
1. First name Last name (Last name = family name)
2. Country (GERMANY)
3.1 Address. Use STR. instead of STREET/STRAẞE
3.2 City + , + Post ID. (EXAMPLETOWN , 12345)
3.3 Country
4. Stays empty
5. Stays empty
6. Tax ID (in German: Steuer Identifikationsnummer)
7. Claim number (put your claim number in that you recieved per e-mail)
8. Date of birth. Remember: The U.S. uses a different order! Its Month - Day - Year, so 20. of January 1990 would be 01-20-1990
Part II
9. I certify that the beneficial owner is a resident of -> GERMANY <- ...
10. Special rates and conditions.
     My lawyer told me what i should put in there. You can use that if you are from germany, but i guess it would be different for other nations.
     "The beneficial owner is claiming the provisions of Article and paragraph 4 - 1 of the treaty identified on line 9 above to claim a
     0% rate of withholding on (specify type of income): CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT, OTHER INCOME
     Explain the additional conditions in the Article and paragraph the beneficial owner m to be eligible for the rate of withholding:
     UNDER ARTICLE 4 OF THE U.S. / GERMANY INCOME TAX TREATY I AM LIABLE TO GERMAN INCOME TAX BASED ON MY DOMICILE;
     RESIDENCE AND CITIZENSHIP. UNDER SEC 894.20 I AM ENTITLED TO US INCOME TAX TREATY BENEFITS AS ALL MY INCOME IS 100%
     TAXABLE IN GERMANY.


At the bottom, sign with your name, below you also have to write your signature in big letters again.
On the right the date, again like 09-29-2017.

Then make a copy of your government ID, drivers license or passport.
Also include a copy of the Cryptsy Settlement Determination Notice which you got per e-mail.

Send these 3 things via certified mail with return receipt (German: Einschreiben) to the address stated in the Determination Notice.
That's it Smiley

Hope i could help someone, this lawyer cost me 120€ to fill this damn thing out correctly Cheesy
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Thanks for paying it forward --- or backward ---

Thanks for sharing.   Wink
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