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Being a former Cryptsy guy I saw quite a bit and most of the time I was employed there I have to say at least the employees I knew were really trying hard to make the best exchange possible for the users.

After following this thread for a while there are a few things I wanted to get off my chest. Never were any of us told there had been a hack where funds were never recovered. Numerous time there were incidents where a few coins got stolen here and there but Paul would usually "get them back" or refund them through his own coffers. Working for the guy you never got the sense he was shady until near the end. Once he started going off to China to start another international venture (remember Cryptsy Canada) and would go out of communication with the rest of us things started getting difficult. Hot wallets would go dry and would require him to fill them back up which was always the norm. He would just typically not get it that low and Mullick would bug him until it got fixed. The thing was it took longer and longer for him to do that. The other thing that never made sense out of all this was Paul had money big house lots of cars beyond his incompetence none of us possibly imagined he could be insolvent. We did imagine that he was a horrible CEO and manager of people. Most of the days it was a struggle to keep the place running no one would make a decision they would just wait on the all might Paul to come and fix stuff that they could not control. After reading the 500 pages of this thread I have made a few observations and theories.

1. The Cryptsy employees did care about the users they were just conned by the same con man. Most of us were not paid very much by the way.
2. I believe Paul embezzled money from the company to fund his personal lifestyle of jet setting to China but I think it was from more than the stolen money that was identified.
3. The incompetence of the thief mirrors some of the incompetence of the CEO meaning whoever it is probably lost the keys to that wallet.
4. Things felt really shady when Marshall Long came on the scene and felt more legit after he left.
5. Jshock after a few years at Cryptsy knew as much about crypto then as he did when it started. Meaning next to nothing. I am also pretty sure he is dead broke and always has been. Basically I do not think he is the mastermind nor profited.
6. Cryptsy at its peak had like 40 employees if there was a conspiracy internally it was well hidden or people would come forward. The employees could only see what Paul let us see on the web gui admin interface. So it always showed balanced or we as employees would try and fix that. That of course does not mean we had access to the wallets only Mullick did and from what I was told he only had access to the ones that Paul let him have access too. Certain ones were "protected from all employees to prevent theft" this actually made sense at the time.

The Class action is only making the lawyers rich probably the worst thing that could have been done. Even more ridiculous is coinbase class action. Efforts I think would be better placed on suing the Bitcoin Foundation and asking them to fork out the stolen millions. There is precedent for that with Ethereum and seems a large enough community to force that issue.

I would be happy to answer other questions that I feel comfortable answering if it helps.


This is SO like the Paycoin scam from GAWMINERS that it's uncanny.  Even some of the names are the same!

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1. The Cryptsy GAWMiners employees did care about the users they were just conned by the same con man. Most of us them were not paid very much by the way.
2. I believe Paul the Garzas embezzled money from the company to fund their personal lifestyle of jet setting... but I think it was from more than the stolen money that was identified.
3. The incompetence of the thief XPY Devs mirrors some of the incompetence of the CEO.
4. Things felt really shady when Marshall Long came on the scene and felt more legit after he left.

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Being a former Cryptsy guy I saw quite a bit and most of the time I was employed there I have to say at least the employees I knew were really trying hard to make the best exchange possible for the users.

After following this thread for a while there are a few things I wanted to get off my chest. Never were any of us told there had been a hack where funds were never recovered ...



Okay, that's were I quit reading, you fuckin retard!

Not only did Paul Vernon state that some employees knew about the hack, but said employees even verified such within this very thread that you claimed to be following for A WHILE. That, and even said truism is penned in the official court docs.

That said, I'm going back now to read the rest of your sci-fi story. Here's to hopin' it includes ball-capping under a blue tarp.

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The point is we did not know the former employees were left jobless some of us moved to Florida and were super excited to be working in crypto. We are all far to angry to cover up for Vern he destroyed years of our lives. If there was an internal conspiracy it would already have been posted.

No Bitcoin did not fork for GOX but I ask the question why not sue all the major miners etc and force them to fix both problems. It is digital money it can be done and has been done. The problem could be fixed.

Dude, I have no fuckin idea as to what skillsets you could've possibly brought to the table in causing Cryptsy to hire you, in turn movin' your ass to Floridaso to earn a scant salary, given that your command of the English language is pathetic at best.

The only thing that made sense to me was that the Bitcoin Foundation should be sued for the Cryptsy fiasco, but I made a 180 after I pulled my dick outta my ass.

All we need now is for Eternal Insolent to raise his ugly fuckin head and this thread would be golden. But what are the odds of that happenin'?

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The point is we did not know the former employees were left jobless some of us moved to Florida and were super excited to be working in crypto. We are all far to angry to cover up for Vern he destroyed years of our lives. If there was an internal conspiracy it would already have been posted.

No Bitcoin did not fork for GOX but I ask the question why not sue all the major miners etc and force them to fix both problems. It is digital money it can be done and has been done. The problem could be fixed.

Dude, I have no fuckin idea as to what skillsets you could've possibly brought to the table in causing Cryptsy to hire you, in turn movin' your ass to Floridaso to earn a scant salary, given that your command of the English language is pathetic at best.

The only thing that made sense to me was that the Bitcoin Foundation should be sued for the Cryptsy fiasco, but I made a 180 after I pulled my dick outta my ass.

All we need now is for Eternal Insolent to raise his ugly fuckin head and this thread would be golden. But what are the odds of that happenin'?

Bruno

After following this thread for a while, I couldn't help but notice that somebody mentioned my name.

I concur that The Bitcoin Foundation should be sued. In fact, I firmly believe that Nabisco should also be sued because their products poisoned Spoetnik's brain, whereupon he was unable to do more to warn folks about Cryptsy.

Full Disclosure: I'm not FormerCryptsy. That's all that I'm sayin'!
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June 14, 2017, 07:08:12 AM
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Being a former Cryptsy guy I saw quite a bit and most of the time I was employed there I have to say at least the employees I knew were really trying hard to make the best exchange possible for the users.

After following this thread for a while there are a few things I wanted to get off my chest. Never were any of us told there had been a hack where funds were never recovered ...



Okay, that's were I quit reading, you fuckin retard!

Not only did Paul Vernon state that some employees knew about the hack, but said employees even verified such within this very thread that you claimed to be following for A WHILE. That, and even said truism is penned in the official court docs.

That said, I'm going back now to read the rest of your sci-fi story. Here's to hopin' it includes ball-capping under a blue tarp.

Bruno

They know who you are, from what I can ascertain the bounties have been paid and the culprits are known.

There are multiple parties involved in this.

Do any of you think for a second Mark Karpeles is safe.

You were dealing with criminals, wake up, not all cryptsy users are law abiding citizens

they do not forget

cut and run, rat them out, retrieve the funds, i don't think any of this will help.

its your money they want first and your blood second

Sorry that is just the reality of it.

How does cryptsy employees not see this, I do not know.........




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Being a former Cryptsy guy I saw quite a bit and most of the time I was employed there I have to say at least the employees I knew were really trying hard to make the best exchange possible for the users.

After following this thread for a while there are a few things I wanted to get off my chest. Never were any of us told there had been a hack where funds were never recovered. Numerous time there were incidents where a few coins got stolen here and there but Paul would usually "get them back" or refund them through his own coffers. Working for the guy you never got the sense he was shady until near the end. Once he started going off to China to start another international venture (remember Cryptsy Canada) and would go out of communication with the rest of us things started getting difficult. Hot wallets would go dry and would require him to fill them back up which was always the norm. He would just typically not get it that low and Mullick would bug him until it got fixed. The thing was it took longer and longer for him to do that. The other thing that never made sense out of all this was Paul had money big house lots of cars beyond his incompetence none of us possibly imagined he could be insolvent. We did imagine that he was a horrible CEO and manager of people. Most of the days it was a struggle to keep the place running no one would make a decision they would just wait on the all might Paul to come and fix stuff that they could not control. After reading the 500 pages of this thread I have made a few observations and theories.

1. The Cryptsy employees did care about the users they were just conned by the same con man. Most of us were not paid very much by the way.
2. I believe Paul embezzled money from the company to fund his personal lifestyle of jet setting to China but I think it was from more than the stolen money that was identified.
3. The incompetence of the thief mirrors some of the incompetence of the CEO meaning whoever it is probably lost the keys to that wallet.
4. Things felt really shady when Marshall Long came on the scene and felt more legit after he left.
5. Jshock after a few years at Cryptsy knew as much about crypto then as he did when it started. Meaning next to nothing. I am also pretty sure he is dead broke and always has been. Basically I do not think he is the mastermind nor profited.
6. Cryptsy at its peak had like 40 employees if there was a conspiracy internally it was well hidden or people would come forward. The employees could only see what Paul let us see on the web gui admin interface. So it always showed balanced or we as employees would try and fix that. That of course does not mean we had access to the wallets only Mullick did and from what I was told he only had access to the ones that Paul let him have access too. Certain ones were "protected from all employees to prevent theft" this actually made sense at the time.

The Class action is only making the lawyers rich probably the worst thing that could have been done. Even more ridiculous is coinbase class action. Efforts I think would be better placed on suing the Bitcoin Foundation and asking them to fork out the stolen millions. There is precedent for that with Ethereum and seems a large enough community to force that issue.

I would be happy to answer other questions that I feel comfortable answering if it helps.





GREAT, and now what? what can you do for us?, can you track Paul Vernon? recover some coins/servers? sorry we, the people who trusted this company have waited a long time for some positive news, so please help us or stay away, we don't care how your office hours were at your former employee
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June 14, 2017, 09:05:47 AM
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Hey guys.

I want to come forward and say I have absolutely no idea who former cryptsy guy is.

I don't know if they are trolling or legitimately used to work there. I am open to a PM from them to tell me who they were so I can at least verify if they are legit or not.

Also, I appreciate the kind words Gleb. As much as we have butted heads in the past, I respect a lot of what you say. I think some of it is bat shit crazy, but the majority of it is very solid. That being said, which of us isn't a little bit crazy?

I'm really hoping this class action works out for the claimants. I know lawyers are going to take 33%, but at least some people will have some closure. I know it is by no means ideal, but still better than nothing. I'm not sure how many people claimed by the deadline, but I really hope everyone did.

I hadn't checked thread in a while but just read through last couple of pages now.

Any questions I can help with, as always guys, just toss me a PM or message me on here and I will answer anything I can.

Hope you guys are having fun trading with the rise in btc.

Take care,

John aka Horus

From all the Cryptsy ppl I dislike you the most because all of my emails were responded by you saying we will fix this and u never did... all my coins are gone I sold my land back in 2014 to buy coins now I have no coins at all because I trusted the likes of you.

Please don't act all nice here you're just pissing me off ...like I hope u get ur money back with a fake smile.


     
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June 14, 2017, 10:02:47 AM
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Hey guys.

I want to come forward and say I have absolutely no idea who former cryptsy guy is.

I don't know if they are trolling or legitimately used to work there. I am open to a PM from them to tell me who they were so I can at least verify if they are legit or not.

Also, I appreciate the kind words Gleb. As much as we have butted heads in the past, I respect a lot of what you say. I think some of it is bat shit crazy, but the majority of it is very solid. That being said, which of us isn't a little bit crazy?

I'm really hoping this class action works out for the claimants. I know lawyers are going to take 33%, but at least some people will have some closure. I know it is by no means ideal, but still better than nothing. I'm not sure how many people claimed by the deadline, but I really hope everyone did.

I hadn't checked thread in a while but just read through last couple of pages now.

Any questions I can help with, as always guys, just toss me a PM or message me on here and I will answer anything I can.

Hope you guys are having fun trading with the rise in btc.

Take care,

John aka Horus

From all the Cryptsy ppl I dislike you the most because all of my emails were responded by you saying we will fix this and u never did... all my coins are gone I sold my land back in 2014 to buy coins now I have no coins at all because I trusted the likes of you.

Please don't act all nice here you're just pissing me off ...like I hope u get ur money back with a fake smile.

Sorry to learn of your problems BagHolder010. The police have seized some assets that belonged to the Cryptsy owner so hopefully they will be sold off to make payments to people like you who joined the class action.

Unfortunately I missed the deadline but it will give me immense happiness knowing that those who got scammed managed to get something back.

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Being a former Cryptsy guy I saw quite a bit and most of the time I was employed there I have to say at least the employees I knew were really trying hard to make the best exchange possible for the users.

After following this thread for a while there are a few things I wanted to get off my chest. Never were any of us told there had been a hack where funds were never recovered. Numerous time there were incidents where a few coins got stolen here and there but Paul would usually "get them back" or refund them through his own coffers. Working for the guy you never got the sense he was shady until near the end. Once he started going off to China to start another international venture (remember Cryptsy Canada) and would go out of communication with the rest of us things started getting difficult. Hot wallets would go dry and would require him to fill them back up which was always the norm. He would just typically not get it that low and Mullick would bug him until it got fixed. The thing was it took longer and longer for him to do that. The other thing that never made sense out of all this was Paul had money big house lots of cars beyond his incompetence none of us possibly imagined he could be insolvent. We did imagine that he was a horrible CEO and manager of people. Most of the days it was a struggle to keep the place running no one would make a decision they would just wait on the all might Paul to come and fix stuff that they could not control. After reading the 500 pages of this thread I have made a few observations and theories.

1. The Cryptsy employees did care about the users they were just conned by the same con man. Most of us were not paid very much by the way.
2. I believe Paul embezzled money from the company to fund his personal lifestyle of jet setting to China but I think it was from more than the stolen money that was identified.
3. The incompetence of the thief mirrors some of the incompetence of the CEO meaning whoever it is probably lost the keys to that wallet.
4. Things felt really shady when Marshall Long came on the scene and felt more legit after he left.
5. Jshock after a few years at Cryptsy knew as much about crypto then as he did when it started. Meaning next to nothing. I am also pretty sure he is dead broke and always has been. Basically I do not think he is the mastermind nor profited.
6. Cryptsy at its peak had like 40 employees if there was a conspiracy internally it was well hidden or people would come forward. The employees could only see what Paul let us see on the web gui admin interface. So it always showed balanced or we as employees would try and fix that. That of course does not mean we had access to the wallets only Mullick did and from what I was told he only had access to the ones that Paul let him have access too. Certain ones were "protected from all employees to prevent theft" this actually made sense at the time.

The Class action is only making the lawyers rich probably the worst thing that could have been done. Even more ridiculous is coinbase class action. Efforts I think would be better placed on suing the Bitcoin Foundation and asking them to fork out the stolen millions. There is precedent for that with Ethereum and seems a large enough community to force that issue.

I would be happy to answer other questions that I feel comfortable answering if it helps.




Hmmm... I agree the lawsuit will just make cash for the lawyers, but really what was the other recourse? Oh wait, there was the pay bounty money to eternal / cryptcracker and see how much we could loose again? There was no other way to force the sale of the assets left from cryptsy. No other way we would have gotten some cash from the sale of verns house and car... even then the ex wife got to keep $250k.
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Being a former Cryptsy guy I saw quite a bit and most of the time I was employed there I have to say at least the employees I knew were really trying hard to make the best exchange possible for the users.

After following this thread for a while there are a few things I wanted to get off my chest. Never were any of us told there had been a hack where funds were never recovered. Numerous time there were incidents where a few coins got stolen here and there but Paul would usually "get them back" or refund them through his own coffers. Working for the guy you never got the sense he was shady until near the end. Once he started going off to China to start another international venture (remember Cryptsy Canada) and would go out of communication with the rest of us things started getting difficult. Hot wallets would go dry and would require him to fill them back up which was always the norm. He would just typically not get it that low and Mullick would bug him until it got fixed. The thing was it took longer and longer for him to do that. The other thing that never made sense out of all this was Paul had money big house lots of cars beyond his incompetence none of us possibly imagined he could be insolvent. We did imagine that he was a horrible CEO and manager of people. Most of the days it was a struggle to keep the place running no one would make a decision they would just wait on the all might Paul to come and fix stuff that they could not control. After reading the 500 pages of this thread I have made a few observations and theories.

1. The Cryptsy employees did care about the users they were just conned by the same con man. Most of us were not paid very much by the way.
2. I believe Paul embezzled money from the company to fund his personal lifestyle of jet setting to China but I think it was from more than the stolen money that was identified.
3. The incompetence of the thief mirrors some of the incompetence of the CEO meaning whoever it is probably lost the keys to that wallet.
4. Things felt really shady when Marshall Long came on the scene and felt more legit after he left.
5. Jshock after a few years at Cryptsy knew as much about crypto then as he did when it started. Meaning next to nothing. I am also pretty sure he is dead broke and always has been. Basically I do not think he is the mastermind nor profited.
6. Cryptsy at its peak had like 40 employees if there was a conspiracy internally it was well hidden or people would come forward. The employees could only see what Paul let us see on the web gui admin interface. So it always showed balanced or we as employees would try and fix that. That of course does not mean we had access to the wallets only Mullick did and from what I was told he only had access to the ones that Paul let him have access too. Certain ones were "protected from all employees to prevent theft" this actually made sense at the time.

The Class action is only making the lawyers rich probably the worst thing that could have been done. Even more ridiculous is coinbase class action. Efforts I think would be better placed on suing the Bitcoin Foundation and asking them to fork out the stolen millions. There is precedent for that with Ethereum and seems a large enough community to force that issue.

I would be happy to answer other questions that I feel comfortable answering if it helps.




Hmmm... I agree the lawsuit will just make cash for the lawyers, but really what was the other recourse? Oh wait, there was the pay bounty money to eternal / cryptcracker and see how much we could loose again? There was no other way to force the sale of the assets left from cryptsy. No other way we would have gotten some cash from the sale of verns house and car... even then the ex wife got to keep $250k.


Dude, you know that my dick gets hard every time the name 'eternal' is evoked, eh?
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I know everyone is murderously angry, but so far, only the ex-wife has given up HER property and lush lifestyle, not Perv Vern.

She lost her fancy rings & mansion.  I know, boo-hoo, but still....  PERV VERN MUST PAY. 

I say quit ragging on the jilted ex-wife raising Perv's kiddoes (isn't that punishment enuf?)

and direct your anger where it belongs -- squarely on the shoulders of PERV "Big Vern" VERNON.

With Coinbase and Cryptsy lawsuits looming....YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED, LOSER.
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I know everyone is murderously angry, but so far, only the ex-wife has given up HER property and lush lifestyle, not Perv Vern.

She lost her fancy rings & mansion.  I know, boo-hoo, but still....  PERV VERN MUST PAY.  

I say quit ragging on the jilted ex-wife raising Perv's kiddoes (isn't that punishment enuf?)

and direct your anger where it belongs -- squarely on the shoulders of PERV "Big Vern" VERNON.

With Coinbase and Cryptsy lawsuits looming....YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED, LOSER.

I think investors that lost money will be happy knowing there is the house and some other items totalling $2m or so thus far recovered. Hopefully more will be recovered.

How much do you estimate the total scam cost investors? Keeping all the other altcoins aside exactly how many bitcoin did the owner of Cryptsy steal? Does anyone know?

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Have to disagree, N00b:

5¢ restitution will make no one "happy."
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June 14, 2017, 11:50:31 PM
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Have to disagree, N00b:

5¢ restitution will make no one "happy."

I lost money at Cryptsy and I am very happy knowing there is the house and some other items totalling $2m or so thus far recovered. Hopefully more will be recovered.

As I missed the deadline to register for the class action my share will be distributed to the others and I am happy for that to happen.  I hope more proceeds of the crime will be recovered and distributed between the victims.


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June 15, 2017, 12:04:39 AM
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Yeah.    It will be a windfall.......for the lawyers.

I wonder how many claimants will split up what's left after the sharks' feeding frenzy?
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June 15, 2017, 12:15:18 AM
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Looks like the first part of the Lawsuit is Approved!

"FINAL ORDER APPROVING SETTLEMENT, APPROVING PROPOSED ALLOCATION OF SETTLEMENT FUNDS, APPROVING CLASS COUNSEL'S APPLICATION FOR ATTORNEYS' FEES, EXPENSES AND INCENTIVE AWARDS FOR CLASS REPRESENTATIVES AND FINAL JUDGMENT ORDER granting110 Motion for Settlement; granting111 Motion for Attorney Fees. Signed by Judge Kenneth A. Marra on 6/13/2017. (ir)"

https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/10497012/Liu_v_Project_Investors,_Inc_et_al#

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June 15, 2017, 12:23:36 AM
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Looks like the first part of the Lawsuit is Approved!

"FINAL ORDER APPROVING SETTLEMENT, APPROVING PROPOSED ALLOCATION OF SETTLEMENT FUNDS, APPROVING CLASS COUNSEL'S APPLICATION FOR ATTORNEYS' FEES, EXPENSES AND INCENTIVE AWARDS FOR CLASS REPRESENTATIVES AND FINAL JUDGMENT ORDER granting110 Motion for Settlement; granting111 Motion for Attorney Fees. Signed by Judge Kenneth A. Marra on 6/13/2017. (ir)"

https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/10497012/Liu_v_Project_Investors,_Inc_et_al#


YEP!

The Lawyers get theirs!
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June 15, 2017, 03:19:06 AM
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HA HA Eternal you funny  Cheesy
I will sue Nabisco over the broken crackers i purchased maybe ?
But you should have substituted my name earlier with HippieTech's !
What do you think ?
I am sitting here eating pizza with a mountain of snacks and grape pop  Cool

And RoomBot or should i call you Laurie ?  Cheesy
It's a pity the court had to liquidate the property etc.
Clearly she was not going to do that willingly.. all on her own.
Sort of like Coinbase playing dumb no ?

And i won't defend Horus here either.. WHY ?
He's a ginger.. and Gingers have no souls.

Where's Marshall Longcon though these days ?
It would be interesting to see him throw his 2 cents in on this topic.

I also enjoyed Bruno's recent batch of comments on this topic.. as well as others.
It's better than nothing i guess guys.

Oh and..
The infamous "ThrillHou" left to go to China to find Vern in person i heard.

FUD first & ask questions later™
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June 15, 2017, 10:42:31 PM
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HA HA Eternal you funny  Cheesy
I will sue Nabisco over the broken crackers i purchased maybe ?
But you should have substituted my name earlier with HippieTech's !
What do you think ?
I am sitting here eating pizza with a mountain of snacks and grape pop  Cool

And RoomBot or should i call you Laurie ?  Cheesy
It's a pity the court had to liquidate the property etc.
Clearly she was not going to do that willingly.. all on her own.
Sort of like Coinbase playing dumb no ?

And i won't defend Horus here either.. WHY ?
He's a ginger.. and Gingers have no souls.

Where's Marshall Longcon though these days ?
It would be interesting to see him throw his 2 cents in on this topic.

I also enjoyed Bruno's recent batch of comments on this topic.. as well as others.
It's better than nothing i guess guys.

Oh and..
The infamous "ThrillHou" left to go to China to find Vern in person i heard.

You big handsome smart man. I can haz cheezeburger?
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June 16, 2017, 12:34:41 AM
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After following this thread for a while, I just wanna say that it's just a coincidence that my moniker - Eternal Insolent - is the anagram of Lori Ann Nettles.
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