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September 13, 2015, 09:33:57 PM
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So if i mine this it will auto switch genesis when launch?

How the heck did you come up with this?! Wink
They said earlier another genesis block will need to be imported.

how is this done?

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September 13, 2015, 09:34:25 PM
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I like the idea because I'm a developer. Devs need money, miners need money. Why not go 50/50 split?


It's fine that devs need money. However, at this moment premine is >90%.



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September 13, 2015, 09:43:53 PM
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I like the idea because I'm a developer. Devs need money, miners need money. Why not go 50/50 split?


It's fine that devs need money. However, at this moment premine is >90%.





I actually have no idea how much the premine is. I doubt it's 90%.



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September 13, 2015, 09:52:07 PM
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I like the idea because I'm a developer. Devs need money, miners need money. Why not go 50/50 split?


It's fine that devs need money. However, at this moment premine is >90%.





I actually have no idea how much the premine is. I doubt it's 90%.






Block Reward: 8
Gas Limit: 31415926
Block Target: 60 seconds
Listen Port: 60606
RPC Port: 9659
Reserve: 11 Million (Community Managed)


Premine: 11M

after 1st day: 11M  + 8 * 60 * 24 = 11M + 11520, premine is 99.9%
after 1st week: 11M  + 8 * 60 * 24 * 7 = 11M + 80640, premine is 99.3%
after 1st month: 11M  + 8 * 60 * 24 * 30.5 = 11M + 351360, premine is 96.8%
after 1st quarter: 11M  + 8 * 60 * 24 * 30.5 * 3 = 11M + 1054080, premine is 90.4%
after 1st year: 11M  + 8 * 60 * 24 * 365 = 11M + 4204800, premine is 61.8%

Call it however you want.




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September 13, 2015, 09:59:32 PM
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I like the idea because I'm a developer. Devs need money, miners need money. Why not go 50/50 split?


It's fine that devs need money. However, at this moment premine is >90%.





I actually have no idea how much the premine is. I doubt it's 90%.






Block Reward: 8
Gas Limit: 31415926
Block Target: 60 seconds
Listen Port: 60606
RPC Port: 9659
Reserve: 11 Million (Community Managed)


Premine: 11M

after 1st day: 11M  + 8 * 60 * 24 = 11M + 11520, premine is 99.9%
after 1st week: 11M  + 8 * 60 * 24 * 7 = 11M + 80640, premine is 99.3%
after 1st month: 11M  + 8 * 60 * 24 * 30.5 = 11M + 351360, premine is 96.8%
after 1st quarter: 11M  + 8 * 60 * 24 * 30.5 * 3 = 11M + 1054080, premine is 90.4%
after 1st year: 11M  + 8 * 60 * 24 * 365 = 11M + 4204800, premine is 61.8%

Call it however you want.







That seems a bit excessive. Especially if Ethereum clones go PoS with minimal new coin generation in less than a year from today. Using this distribution method, this coin may end up being DApp heavy. DAPp are probably the most important thing. More important than miners, especially once it goes PoS.


I have no idea which distribution method is the best so I'm going to support this coin. I will mine it, buy it and hopefully develop a DApp for it.



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September 13, 2015, 10:02:37 PM
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We talk about different things.
Premine is one thing.
PoS is second thing.
Dapps are yet another thing.


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September 13, 2015, 10:03:55 PM
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So if i mine this it will auto switch genesis when launch?

How the heck did you come up with this?! Wink
They said earlier another genesis block will need to be imported.

how is this done?

Don't take what I say for granted, but after release they will provide new genesis.
You import it with:
Code:
gexp.exe --genesis genesis.json
(genesis.json being the genesis file)

Personally I will completely delete %userprofile%\Appdata\Roaming\Expanse folder
(it is usually c:\users\YOURUSERPROFILE\Appdata\Roaming\Expanse)
regardless if they put it in the instructions or not - that will require creating a new EXP address.
Actually I think a new required anyway (I highly doubt if you can use a testnet address in the main network)

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September 13, 2015, 10:07:29 PM
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I like the idea because I'm a developer. Devs need money, miners need money. Why not go 50/50 split?


It's fine that devs need money. However, at this moment premine is >90%.





I actually have no idea how much the premine is. I doubt it's 90%.






Block Reward: 8
Gas Limit: 31415926
Block Target: 60 seconds
Listen Port: 60606
RPC Port: 9659
Reserve: 11 Million (Community Managed)


Premine: 11M

after 1st day: 11M  + 8 * 60 * 24 = 11M + 11520, premine is 99.9%
after 1st week: 11M  + 8 * 60 * 24 * 7 = 11M + 80640, premine is 99.3%
after 1st month: 11M  + 8 * 60 * 24 * 30.5 = 11M + 351360, premine is 96.8%
after 1st quarter: 11M  + 8 * 60 * 24 * 30.5 * 3 = 11M + 1054080, premine is 90.4%
after 1st year: 11M  + 8 * 60 * 24 * 365 = 11M + 4204800, premine is 61.8%

Call it however you want.


Nice maths! Except you conviently left out the entire DAO that house those figures.

11m is the initial reserve
----------------------
10m goes into a ternary community DAO contract (where no central authority can spend them)
1m goes into a multisig founder/developer DAO that is slowly released over time
100k is awarded to developers up front for their initial contributions.

100k of 10m == 0.9090909090909091%

I look forward to your next post.

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September 13, 2015, 10:08:16 PM
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Do not create a war between SHF and EXP

It will just make both look bad.


Promote these first two coins as the best Ethereum clones.


The most likely scenario is both go up, or both go down. It's highly unlikely that 1 will do substantially better based on people putting down the other coins. Do not make this a competition. Anyone who has cloned ethereum already clearly has skills.


I would like to see the scenario where everyone is positive and both ethereum clones becomes really big.



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September 13, 2015, 10:12:43 PM
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Do we start ethminer.exe while step 3 is running?
yes

I don't see it mining, I type miner.start() and it said "true"?
The console output is redirected to exp.log (see bat-file). Besides you can check the hashrate (miner.hashrate). For all this you don't need the ethminer.
If you want to mine with ethminer, stop cpu mining (miner.stop()).
Call (for GPU-Mining):
ethminer -G -F http://127.0.0.1:9656


thank you for being helpful

I think the rpcport is 9659

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Do we start ethminer.exe while step 3 is running?
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I don't see it mining, I type miner.start() and it said "true"?
The console output is redirected to exp.log (see bat-file). Besides you can check the hashrate (miner.hashrate). For all this you don't need the ethminer.
If you want to mine with ethminer, stop cpu mining (miner.stop()).
Call (for GPU-Mining):
ethminer -G -F http://127.0.0.1:9656


thank you for being helpful

I think the rpcport is 9659

its 9656 Tongue

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are we less than 2 hours away from mining launch?



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September 13, 2015, 10:17:26 PM
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are we less than 2 hours away from mining launch?




yes

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September 13, 2015, 10:17:39 PM
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11m is the initial reserve
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10m goes into a ternary community DAO contract (where no central authority can spend them)


Again, PROOF please how you gonna guarantee it. Don't tell me devs are well known, because I don't say they are scammers.



Also you shares in community will base on funds held
Basically devs will hold most of supply for many months
So no matter how you call it, devs will control 90% supply for many months



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September 13, 2015, 10:19:02 PM
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Do we start ethminer.exe while step 3 is running?
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I don't see it mining, I type miner.start() and it said "true"?
The console output is redirected to exp.log (see bat-file). Besides you can check the hashrate (miner.hashrate). For all this you don't need the ethminer.
If you want to mine with ethminer, stop cpu mining (miner.stop()).
Call (for GPU-Mining):
ethminer -G -F http://127.0.0.1:9656


thank you for being helpful

I think the rpcport is 9659

its 9656 Tongue

Yes, it is!, but then the OP is wrong, it says 9659 Smiley

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September 13, 2015, 10:21:04 PM
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11m is the initial reserve
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10m goes into a ternary community DAO contract (where no central authority can spend them)


Again, PROOF please how you gonna guarantee it. Don't tell me devs are well known, because I don't say they are scammers.



Also you shares in community will base on funds held
Basically devs will hold most of supply for many months
So no matter how you call it, devs will control 90% supply for many months


How exactly do you want proof again?

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September 13, 2015, 10:24:20 PM
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An example of a DAO contract

Code:
contract token { mapping (address => uint) public coinBalanceOf;   function token() { }   function sendCoin(address receiver, uint amount) returns(bool sufficient) {  } }


contract Democracy {

    uint public minimumQuorum;
    uint public debatingPeriod;
    token public voterShare;
    address public founder;
    Proposal[] public proposals;
    uint public numProposals;

    event ProposalAdded(uint proposalID, address recipient, uint amount, bytes32 data, string description);
    event Voted(uint proposalID, int position, address voter);
    event ProposalTallied(uint proposalID, int result, uint quorum, bool active);

    struct Proposal {
        address recipient;
        uint amount;
        bytes32 data;
        string description;
        uint creationDate;
        bool active;
        Vote[] votes;
        mapping (address => bool) voted;
    }

    struct Vote {
        int position;
        address voter;
    }

    function Democracy(token _voterShareAddress, uint _minimumQuorum, uint _debatingPeriod) {
        founder = msg.sender; 
        voterShare = token(_voterShareAddress);
        minimumQuorum = _minimumQuorum || 10;
        debatingPeriod = _debatingPeriod * 1 minutes || 30 days;
    }


    function newProposal(address _recipient, uint _amount, bytes32 _data, string _description) returns (uint proposalID) {
        if (voterShare.coinBalanceOf(msg.sender)>0) {
            proposalID = proposals.length++;
            Proposal p = proposals[proposalID];
            p.recipient = _recipient;
            p.amount = _amount;
            p.data = _data;
            p.description = _description;
            p.creationDate = now;
            p.active = true;
            ProposalAdded(proposalID, _recipient, _amount, _data, _description);
            numProposals = proposalID+1;
        }
    }

    function vote(uint _proposalID, int _position) returns (uint voteID){
        if (voterShare.coinBalanceOf(msg.sender)>0 && (_position >= -1 || _position <= 1 )) {
            Proposal p = proposals[_proposalID];
            if (p.voted[msg.sender] == true) return;
            voteID = p.votes.length++;
            p.votes[voteID] = Vote({position: _position, voter: msg.sender});
            p.voted[msg.sender] = true;
            Voted(_proposalID,  _position, msg.sender);
        }
    }

    function executeProposal(uint _proposalID) returns (int result) {
        Proposal p = proposals[_proposalID];
        /* Check if debating period is over */
        if (now > (p.creationDate + debatingPeriod) && p.active){   
            uint quorum = 0;
            /* tally the votes */
            for (uint i = 0; i <  p.votes.length; ++i) {
                Vote v = p.votes[i];
                uint voteWeight = voterShare.coinBalanceOf(v.voter);
                quorum += voteWeight;
                result += int(voteWeight) * v.position;
            }
            /* execute result */
            if (quorum > minimumQuorum && result > 0 ) {
                p.recipient.call.value(p.amount)(p.data);
                p.active = false;
            } else if (quorum > minimumQuorum && result < 0) {
                p.active = false;
            }
            ProposalTallied(_proposalID, result, quorum, p.active);
        }
    }
}

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September 13, 2015, 10:31:08 PM
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An example of a DAO contract

Code:
contract token { mapping (address => uint) public coinBalanceOf;   function token() { }   function sendCoin(address receiver, uint amount) returns(bool sufficient) {  } }


contract Democracy {

    uint public minimumQuorum;
    uint public debatingPeriod;
    token public voterShare;
    address public founder;
    Proposal[] public proposals;
    uint public numProposals;

    event ProposalAdded(uint proposalID, address recipient, uint amount, bytes32 data, string description);
    event Voted(uint proposalID, int position, address voter);
    event ProposalTallied(uint proposalID, int result, uint quorum, bool active);

    struct Proposal {
        address recipient;
        uint amount;
        bytes32 data;
        string description;
        uint creationDate;
        bool active;
        Vote[] votes;
        mapping (address => bool) voted;
    }

    struct Vote {
        int position;
        address voter;
    }

    function Democracy(token _voterShareAddress, uint _minimumQuorum, uint _debatingPeriod) {
        founder = msg.sender; 
        voterShare = token(_voterShareAddress);
        minimumQuorum = _minimumQuorum || 10;
        debatingPeriod = _debatingPeriod * 1 minutes || 30 days;
    }


    function newProposal(address _recipient, uint _amount, bytes32 _data, string _description) returns (uint proposalID) {
        if (voterShare.coinBalanceOf(msg.sender)>0) {
            proposalID = proposals.length++;
            Proposal p = proposals[proposalID];
            p.recipient = _recipient;
            p.amount = _amount;
            p.data = _data;
            p.description = _description;
            p.creationDate = now;
            p.active = true;
            ProposalAdded(proposalID, _recipient, _amount, _data, _description);
            numProposals = proposalID+1;
        }
    }

    function vote(uint _proposalID, int _position) returns (uint voteID){
        if (voterShare.coinBalanceOf(msg.sender)>0 && (_position >= -1 || _position <= 1 )) {
            Proposal p = proposals[_proposalID];
            if (p.voted[msg.sender] == true) return;
            voteID = p.votes.length++;
            p.votes[voteID] = Vote({position: _position, voter: msg.sender});
            p.voted[msg.sender] = true;
            Voted(_proposalID,  _position, msg.sender);
        }
    }

    function executeProposal(uint _proposalID) returns (int result) {
        Proposal p = proposals[_proposalID];
        /* Check if debating period is over */
        if (now > (p.creationDate + debatingPeriod) && p.active){   
            uint quorum = 0;
            /* tally the votes */
            for (uint i = 0; i <  p.votes.length; ++i) {
                Vote v = p.votes[i];
                uint voteWeight = voterShare.coinBalanceOf(v.voter);
                quorum += voteWeight;
                result += int(voteWeight) * v.position;
            }
            /* execute result */
            if (quorum > minimumQuorum && result > 0 ) {
                p.recipient.call.value(p.amount)(p.data);
                p.active = false;
            } else if (quorum > minimumQuorum && result < 0) {
                p.active = false;
            }
            ProposalTallied(_proposalID, result, quorum, p.active);
        }
    }
}



Great job with creating this Democracy contract.



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September 13, 2015, 10:42:14 PM
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First of all, seems like you don't understand that I am programmer.
Second, this contract proofs nothing.
Third, devs will control most of supply for many months therefore whole premine will be under their control.

Basically TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT POSSIBLE AT THIS MOMENT TO ACHIEVE GUARANTED COMMUNITY RESERVE YOU CLAIM TO CREATE.



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