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June 08, 2014, 11:21:21 AM
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Thanks for all the information guys. I have much to learn and even more work to acquire enough bit coin to make it worthwhile. I do appreciate the time you guys have taken to explain in some more detail.

I did reach one whole bit coin today finally so that is a start.  Cheesy

That is a pittance compared to most people but I started from scratch in March and built it up using faucets and then small investments so I feel kind of proud of it. 

Just a warning about the swing trading. It is easy to see the patterns, it is easy to see the frequency of the swings happening, connect it to the theoretical exponential baseline afterwards. It is much more difficult to know in real time, that is when you need to know if you trade. You stare at the curve, you think you see it flatten out, expect a reversion - then suddenly, it continues.

It is easy to see now that selling at 1000 and buying at 500 would double your amount of coins. But what if you sold at 400, believing that was the top? Then waited too long to buy back, because you believed 340 was not the bottom? You could end up coinless.

Trading means sometimes being in, sometimes out. It was said just a few posts ago, the expectation is so good, the highest risk is to be out. You can be in all the time and get your reward. That is, if you believe in bitcoin.





There is a risk in trading, the very skilled will win and the other will probably lose if they don't get lucky; to be skilled you have to be connected to the market and to have experienced trading before


http://astrohacker.com/ahc/bitcoin-is-the-economic-singularity/

After reading this, the scale of black market and digital economies and the effect Bitcoin will have on them I am pretty certain we are going to be very wealthy men -- even with a sum as small as 10 Bitcoins. It's just so hard to believe. We are only in the beginning storms with these significant rallies from 10 to 20 dollars. I will not be surprised to see prices from hundreds to thousands in the coming months.

The world just isn't going to be the same and we have been blessed as the pioneers.

What are you going to do with your Bitcoin wealth once your coins hit upwards of $10,000 a pop?

Bitcoin can go no where but up at this point

The FED is printing like there is no tomorrow, the debts are getting bigger and bigger in the western world and the banks are still kind of careless

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June 08, 2014, 11:46:10 AM
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Thanks for all the information guys. I have much to learn and even more work to acquire enough bit coin to make it worthwhile. I do appreciate the time you guys have taken to explain in some more detail.

I did reach one whole bit coin today finally so that is a start.  Cheesy

That is a pittance compared to most people but I started from scratch in March and built it up using faucets and then small investments so I feel kind of proud of it. 

Just a warning about the swing trading. It is easy to see the patterns, it is easy to see the frequency of the swings happening, connect it to the theoretical exponential baseline afterwards. It is much more difficult to know in real time, that is when you need to know if you trade. You stare at the curve, you think you see it flatten out, expect a reversion - then suddenly, it continues.

It is easy to see now that selling at 1000 and buying at 500 would double your amount of coins. But what if you sold at 400, believing that was the top? Then waited too long to buy back, because you believed 340 was not the bottom? You could end up coinless.

Trading means sometimes being in, sometimes out. It was said just a few posts ago, the expectation is so good, the highest risk is to be out. You can be in all the time and get your reward. That is, if you believe in bitcoin.


I made this argument many times. Being out of Bitcoin (even partially) is just more risky then the lost opportunity cost when it takes off. Sure you make money 99 out of a 100 times but that 1 time you miss the boat is more expensive than the 99 times combined have brought profit. Doing nothing can be hard for a lot of people, but you need to do this anyway.

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June 08, 2014, 02:20:49 PM
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Thanks for all the information guys. I have much to learn and even more work to acquire enough bit coin to make it worthwhile. I do appreciate the time you guys have taken to explain in some more detail.

I did reach one whole bit coin today finally so that is a start.  Cheesy

That is a pittance compared to most people but I started from scratch in March and built it up using faucets and then small investments so I feel kind of proud of it. 

Just a warning about the swing trading. It is easy to see the patterns, it is easy to see the frequency of the swings happening, connect it to the theoretical exponential baseline afterwards. It is much more difficult to know in real time, that is when you need to know if you trade. You stare at the curve, you think you see it flatten out, expect a reversion - then suddenly, it continues.

It is easy to see now that selling at 1000 and buying at 500 would double your amount of coins. But what if you sold at 400, believing that was the top? Then waited too long to buy back, because you believed 340 was not the bottom? You could end up coinless.

Trading means sometimes being in, sometimes out. It was said just a few posts ago, the expectation is so good, the highest risk is to be out. You can be in all the time and get your reward. That is, if you believe in bitcoin.


I made this argument many times. Being out of Bitcoin (even partially) is just more risky then the lost opportunity cost when it takes off. Sure you make money 99 out of a 100 times but that 1 time you miss the boat is more expensive than the 99 times combined have brought profit. Doing nothing can be hard for a lot of people, but you need to do this anyway.
For this reason I do very little trading.

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June 08, 2014, 02:22:25 PM
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Trading is a losing game
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June 08, 2014, 05:11:43 PM
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Thanks for all the information guys. I have much to learn and even more work to acquire enough bit coin to make it worthwhile. I do appreciate the time you guys have taken to explain in some more detail.

I did reach one whole bit coin today finally so that is a start.  Cheesy

That is a pittance compared to most people but I started from scratch in March and built it up using faucets and then small investments so I feel kind of proud of it. 

Just a warning about the swing trading. It is easy to see the patterns, it is easy to see the frequency of the swings happening, connect it to the theoretical exponential baseline afterwards. It is much more difficult to know in real time, that is when you need to know if you trade. You stare at the curve, you think you see it flatten out, expect a reversion - then suddenly, it continues.

It is easy to see now that selling at 1000 and buying at 500 would double your amount of coins. But what if you sold at 400, believing that was the top? Then waited too long to buy back, because you believed 340 was not the bottom? You could end up coinless.

Trading means sometimes being in, sometimes out. It was said just a few posts ago, the expectation is so good, the highest risk is to be out. You can be in all the time and get your reward. That is, if you believe in bitcoin.





Yeah for now I just a have a few safe investments. I have a lot more studying to do before even thinking about trying to trade. I spend a lot of time reading in the speculation forum. You can learn a lot from the the success of others and even more from their mistakes.
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June 08, 2014, 05:31:13 PM
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Trading altcoins is not necessarily a losing game, but unless you truly believe that an alt is going to displace bitcoin in the long run, it is a negative-sum game meaning that an average player will lose.  

Analyze it like this:  There are scammers, and the scammers are making a profit.  There are people who invest in hashing hardware, and they probably at least break even in the long run.  Both of those are taking money (profits, or money to invest in hardware) from the traders.  

And whenever traders do business with another trader, one of them loses exactly as much money as the other gains.

Yes, you can make money at it.  But you have to recognize it as a negative sum game and use a strategy appropriate to negative sum games.  

Those who are playing it as a positive-sum game (positive-sum game strategies include 'buy and hold' for example) will not make money; it isn't even remotely possible for them to do other than lose money.  As a negative-sum player you're just hoping they lose money fast enough to compensate for what  the scammers and hardware investors are taking out or investing. 

The only meaningful play is between people playing it as a negative-sum game.  And in order to win you must be at least as cynical as all the others who are also playing it as a negative sum game.  If you allow them to be more cynical than you, you will lose money to them in the long run.
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June 08, 2014, 05:58:42 PM
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I was very lucky to purchase some bitcoins today. I think you are spot on. If less than 50 million will be made, the value per bit coin will be ridiculous in the coming months...

Not sure where you came up with 50M, but there will be actually less than half of that amount, around 21M.

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June 08, 2014, 06:19:39 PM
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Maybe he got some bytecoins

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June 09, 2014, 09:40:06 PM
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There will be more 4-5 bubbles before the value will reach its place in my opinion.

Actually there's probably only 3 more "main" bubbles to go, since there's been a repeat of the 10X per year for the last 6 years, 6 times already it's repeated up to now:

1 ) .1 cent to 1 cent
2 ) 1 cent to 10 cents
3 ) 10 cents to $1 dollar
4 ) $1 dollar to $10 dollars
5 ) $10 dollars to $100 dollars
6 ) $100-ish to $1,000 (we're still in the middle of this wave)

That's SIX since 2008-2014 inclusive, up to today as mid-2014

So, only really THREE more possible repeats of the 10X per year (or per 2 years or so, maybe):

7 ) $1,000 to $10,000
8 ) $10 Grand to $100,000
9 ) $100 Grand to $1,000,000

At $1 million per bitcoin we max out at SlipperySlope's maximum model, and while some have speculated that BTC could go even HIGHER, seems to me that with ONE SATOSHI being a millionth of a single whole bitcoin, in order to preserve the ability of merchants to price things in the normal fashion, that a Penny-Per-Satoshi is kinda hard-coded into the current bitcoin software.

In other words, if ONE BTC went to $5 million that would mean the maximum division of .00000001 BTC (satoshi) would be worth 5 cents, so nothing could then be priced for sale LOWER than a nickel: things would have to be priced as "1.95" and so on, no more "1.99" possible.

This problem -- pricing things only at .05 and never less -- is the main issue they've had for YEARS in attempts to finally get rid of the PENNY (it costs the government more to make pennies than they are worth, and HAS for many years.  They'd LOVE to be able to eliminate the penny, but have just never been able to do it...)

Of course with bitcoin being "just software" the maximum division could always go lower than 8 decimal places... but that'd require a change to the code, so it seems to me that for the time being it's prudent to assume 8 decimal places means a penny per Satoshi maximum.

Anyway, HEY let's just get to $1M per BTC first, eh?
Then deal with this "problem" later, LOL.
That's good enough for me, no quibble here if BTC only ever gets to "just" a single measly million  Grin




I like you, I was a buyer at 1200.. 900.. 600 and 500 .. lol.

Ha... love the Milton pic but y'know, actually, this is NOT a WRONG thing to DO, even deliberately (never mind just being the suck at timing, LOL)

It's called "dollar cost averaging" actually, and basically if you're buying a volatile asset that you expect to grow in value overall, but you can't TIME the purchase very well, just by regularly putting in SOMETHING you're reasonably assured to get a decent "average" price for the whole batch in the end.

Buy one BTC for 1200
One more for 900
One more for 600 (better yet, a couple)
One more for 500 (better yet, maybe 3!)

So you have 4+ BTC and you paid 3,200 for the pile, or "only" $800 each on average.  Not so good buy as if you nailed the $500 price for all of 'em but also not so bad a soaking if you totally missed the timing and put in all your money at the TOP price of 1200.

Also, this way the price only has to bounce back from the low point of 500 to about 801 (not all the way to your starting buy price of 1200) before you can say you're showing a profit.

As long as the long-term price is going to $2000+ anyway, or the MOON (!!) your average buy price of $800 is pretty good timing in hindsight!!

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It is hard to believe, but Peter_R and I calculated that according to his Metcalfe Law model of bitcoin prices, if we increase the permanent number of daily bitcoin transactions by one, then the bitcoin market cap increases by over $100K.

I try to participate in a bitcoin transaction every day.

Not sure I understand this.

Does this mean, for example, if every day someone was to transfer 1 BTC to one of the online bitcoin casinos and play just one hand of blackjack for .00001 (or even not play anything at all, LOL)... then wait for 6 confirmations, and immediately transfer their 1BTC back to the same wallet again... that these "two transactions" would add nearly a quarter million dollars of fiat value to the bitcoin economy, or market cap?

What if it's not even a whole bitcoin, maybe just a couple dollars worth of fractional BTC?  Still same effect, or Huh

Explain please?
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June 09, 2014, 10:29:22 PM
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Thanks for all the information guys. I have much to learn and even more work to acquire enough bit coin to make it worthwhile. I do appreciate the time you guys have taken to explain in some more detail.

I did reach one whole bit coin today finally so that is a start.  Cheesy

That is a pittance compared to most people but I started from scratch in March and built it up using faucets and then small investments so I feel kind of proud of it. 

7billion/21million=333. You have 333 times as many bitcoins as the average human being. If bitcoins ever become really big and used by most of the people in the world, you will be in a VERY good position.

Thanks! I am starting to move small fiat into bit coin now that I understand the basics. I should be in double digits before Christmas. 

I've quit smoking and the 5€ a day that I would usually spend on it I save up the whole week and then move it to my kraken account to buy btc. Now if only I could stop gambling, that would be even better.

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June 09, 2014, 10:45:28 PM
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Thanks for all the information guys. I have much to learn and even more work to acquire enough bit coin to make it worthwhile. I do appreciate the time you guys have taken to explain in some more detail.

I did reach one whole bit coin today finally so that is a start.  Cheesy

That is a pittance compared to most people but I started from scratch in March and built it up using faucets and then small investments so I feel kind of proud of it. 

Just a warning about the swing trading. It is easy to see the patterns, it is easy to see the frequency of the swings happening, connect it to the theoretical exponential baseline afterwards. It is much more difficult to know in real time, that is when you need to know if you trade. You stare at the curve, you think you see it flatten out, expect a reversion - then suddenly, it continues.

It is easy to see now that selling at 1000 and buying at 500 would double your amount of coins. But what if you sold at 400, believing that was the top? Then waited too long to buy back, because you believed 340 was not the bottom? You could end up coinless.

Trading means sometimes being in, sometimes out. It was said just a few posts ago, the expectation is so good, the highest risk is to be out. You can be in all the time and get your reward. That is, if you believe in bitcoin.





There is a risk in trading, the very skilled will win and the other will probably lose if they don't get lucky; to be skilled you have to be connected to the market and to have experienced trading before


http://astrohacker.com/ahc/bitcoin-is-the-economic-singularity/

After reading this, the scale of black market and digital economies and the effect Bitcoin will have on them I am pretty certain we are going to be very wealthy men -- even with a sum as small as 10 Bitcoins. It's just so hard to believe. We are only in the beginning storms with these significant rallies from 10 to 20 dollars. I will not be surprised to see prices from hundreds to thousands in the coming months.

The world just isn't going to be the same and we have been blessed as the pioneers.

What are you going to do with your Bitcoin wealth once your coins hit upwards of $10,000 a pop?

Bitcoin can go no where but up at this point

The FED is printing like there is no tomorrow, the debts are getting bigger and bigger in the western world and the banks are still kind of careless


Kind of careless?!  Kind of?!

I couldn't be more bullish on bitcoin ATM with their kinda 'kind of' :p

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June 09, 2014, 10:52:02 PM
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Thanks for all the information guys. I have much to learn and even more work to acquire enough bit coin to make it worthwhile. I do appreciate the time you guys have taken to explain in some more detail.

I did reach one whole bit coin today finally so that is a start.  Cheesy

That is a pittance compared to most people but I started from scratch in March and built it up using faucets and then small investments so I feel kind of proud of it. 

Just a warning about the swing trading. It is easy to see the patterns, it is easy to see the frequency of the swings happening, connect it to the theoretical exponential baseline afterwards. It is much more difficult to know in real time, that is when you need to know if you trade. You stare at the curve, you think you see it flatten out, expect a reversion - then suddenly, it continues.

It is easy to see now that selling at 1000 and buying at 500 would double your amount of coins. But what if you sold at 400, believing that was the top? Then waited too long to buy back, because you believed 340 was not the bottom? You could end up coinless.

Trading means sometimes being in, sometimes out. It was said just a few posts ago, the expectation is so good, the highest risk is to be out. You can be in all the time and get your reward. That is, if you believe in bitcoin.





There is a risk in trading, the very skilled will win and the other will probably lose if they don't get lucky; to be skilled you have to be connected to the market and to have experienced trading before


http://astrohacker.com/ahc/bitcoin-is-the-economic-singularity/

After reading this, the scale of black market and digital economies and the effect Bitcoin will have on them I am pretty certain we are going to be very wealthy men -- even with a sum as small as 10 Bitcoins. It's just so hard to believe. We are only in the beginning storms with these significant rallies from 10 to 20 dollars. I will not be surprised to see prices from hundreds to thousands in the coming months.

The world just isn't going to be the same and we have been blessed as the pioneers.

What are you going to do with your Bitcoin wealth once your coins hit upwards of $10,000 a pop?

Bitcoin can go no where but up at this point

The FED is printing like there is no tomorrow, the debts are getting bigger and bigger in the western world and the banks are still kind of careless


Kind of careless?!  Kind of?!

I couldn't be more bullish on bitcoin ATM with their kinda 'kind of' :p

Being my own bank was the concept that got my attention first with bit coin. In the 90 days since I have learned more about economics than 4 years of a university education gave me. My bit coin talk education was also free. 
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if only I could stop gambling, that would be even better.

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if only I could stop gambling, that would be even better.

Bitcointalk gives me all the kicks I need.  Grin

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June 09, 2014, 11:20:52 PM
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Thanks for all the information guys. I have much to learn and even more work to acquire enough bit coin to make it worthwhile. I do appreciate the time you guys have taken to explain in some more detail.

I did reach one whole bit coin today finally so that is a start.
Onward to 100! Work your ass off you only have a few years before it's too late!!! Work 3 jobs and eat catfood I'm serious man!

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Thanks for all the information guys. I have much to learn and even more work to acquire enough bit coin to make it worthwhile. I do appreciate the time you guys have taken to explain in some more detail.

I did reach one whole bit coin today finally so that is a start.
Onward to 100! Work your ass off you only have a few years before it's too late!!! Work 3 jobs and eat catfood I'm serious man!

100 is my next goal. Once I make the down payment on my mortgage next month I am keeping my savings in the form of BTC. I should be well into double digits before Christmas. 
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Thanks for all the information guys. I have much to learn and even more work to acquire enough bit coin to make it worthwhile. I do appreciate the time you guys have taken to explain in some more detail.

I did reach one whole bit coin today finally so that is a start.
Onward to 100! Work your ass off you only have a few years before it's too late!!! Work 3 jobs and eat catfood I'm serious man!

100 is my next goal. Once I make the down payment on my mortgage next month I am keeping my savings in the form of BTC. I should be well into double digits before Christmas. 


Well I don't know so much about that. It's all about the price.
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Thanks for all the information guys. I have much to learn and even more work to acquire enough bit coin to make it worthwhile. I do appreciate the time you guys have taken to explain in some more detail.

I did reach one whole bit coin today finally so that is a start.
Onward to 100! Work your ass off you only have a few years before it's too late!!! Work 3 jobs and eat catfood I'm serious man!

100 is my next goal. Once I make the down payment on my mortgage next month I am keeping my savings in the form of BTC. I should be well into double digits before Christmas. 


Well I don't know so much about that. It's all about the price.

I definitely feel the pressure to accumulate it before it goes up. A nice long period of price stability would help a lot. 
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June 09, 2014, 11:56:21 PM
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Thanks for all the information guys. I have much to learn and even more work to acquire enough bit coin to make it worthwhile. I do appreciate the time you guys have taken to explain in some more detail.

I did reach one whole bit coin today finally so that is a start.
Onward to 100! Work your ass off you only have a few years before it's too late!!! Work 3 jobs and eat catfood I'm serious man!

100 is my next goal. Once I make the down payment on my mortgage next month I am keeping my savings in the form of BTC. I should be well into double digits before Christmas. 


Well I don't know so much about that. It's all about the price.

I definitely feel the pressure to accumulate it before it goes up. A nice long period of price stability would help a lot. 

It is possible, that BTC will squeak out another month or two of "price stability;" however, if you think about the recent BTC price situation within the whole scheme of things, BTC prices have been below $700 for about 4 months, and I would call that pretty stable.. and it is possible to experience one or two months of these below $700 prices; however, based on the large amount of development and expansions  in the bitcoin space, it seems to become less and less probably that BTC prices are going to stay below $700 for much longer than that.. and personally, I believe that 2 months is a bit of a stretch to hope for prices to remain below $700.

On the other hand, with any paradigm shifting market, such as bitcoin, there remain explorations and movement into less charted territory that is influenced by the merging of human behavior and politics and momentum and technology... so we can prognosticate in terms of probabilities, while continuing to retain our doubts regarding the exact direction of BTC and/or its prices.







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