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March 10, 2016, 07:25:34 AM
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hahahaa........WUT?Huh

LISK t-shirts?


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March 10, 2016, 08:22:05 AM
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Hmmm... looks like BTC investors in Lisk ICO, just bailed out all Crypti bag holders.

I posted this only three pages ago, but since you missed it, here it is again....

BTC investors are NOT bailing out XCR bag holders in this ICO!

THERE IS NOT A ONE-FOR-ONE EXCHANGE OF CRYPTI XCR FOR LISK.

XCR members joining Lisk are getting their donations capped at the fair market value (at Poloniex, for example) of 1300 satoshi per XCR.    You can see that by going to the "How many Lisk will I get for my XCR" spreadsheet link in my other post above on page 129.  At present, the number is 0.274 Lisk will be issued for every Crypti XCR donated, and that number continues to drop as more BTC shows up.  A Lisk is currently worth 4759 Satoshi.  If you trade in ONE Crypti XCR, you currently get 0.274 Lisk and your new Lisk holding is worth 0.274 * 4759 = 1300 satoshi (with minor roundoff error).  

Now look at the "How many Lisk will I get for my BTC" spreadsheet.  If you trade in ONE Bitcoin, you currently get 21,100 Lisk and your new Lisk holding is worth 21,100 * 4759 = 100,000,000 satoshi (with minor roundoff error), which is exactly 1 BTC.

As noted in my post above, so far there have been 773 BTC worth of XCR donated to Lisk at the fixed fair market rate of 1300 satoshi and 2900 actual BTC donated at the adjustable fair market rate of 4759 satoshi per Lisk and rising.   The 773 BTC donated by Crypti holders is the fair market value of all the currently existing Version 0.5.5 sidechain / dapp software that Lisk will use at launch.  The Version 0.5.5 sidechain / dapp software used to launch Lisk is NOT VAPORWARE and its use does not come to the new BTC donors for free.  Utilization of that software as a starting point is currently priced fairly at 773 BTC.  The BTC donations of 2900+ will be used as a cash development fund to IMPROVE THIS CODE BASE and create Lisk Version 0.5.6 and beyond.

To summarize, the value of XCR donations are are capped at 1300 satoshi per coin; the value of BTC donations are continuously adjusted upward to get the current Lisk satoshi value (currently 4759 and rising).  That capped vs. continuous adjustment factor is what keeps the XCR folks from being "bailed out" by the BTC donors!

XCR donators have created a solid sidechain / dapp code base foundation and the new BTC donators are providing funding to improve it.   XCR and BTC donors are not opponents here.  We are all members of the new Lisk team!

I think you're mistaken.

If Lisk ICO accepted BTC ONLY, then most XCR owners would've dumped their XCR on exchanges for MUCH LESS than 1300 satoshi per XCR. XCR price would've crashed by now.

Each BTC investor in this ICO would've received a larger share of Lisk, but now that Lisk ICO is accepting OVERPRICED XCR, BTC investors share is getting diluted with XCR investments, that's why I said BTC investors are bailing out Crypti bag holders.



I believe you are the one who is mistaken.

You state Crypti owners would have dumped to join Lisk, I don't believe this would have been the case.

We would've likely experienced FUD from angry Crypti holders. This would've caused the ICO to raise limited funds.

Lisk accepted Crypti in an act of honor, and it was the correct choice. They united the Crypti community while eliminating any potential dangers of FUD.

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March 10, 2016, 08:36:32 AM
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Stop buying.. Buy after the ICO ends Grin

You don't pay enough.
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March 10, 2016, 09:32:32 AM
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Too much hype for this coin, tshirts in exchange of thousands of bitcoins? Huh
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March 10, 2016, 09:47:31 AM
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Too much hype for this coin, tshirts in exchange of thousands of bitcoins? Huh
Not as much as Ethereum.
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March 10, 2016, 10:00:05 AM
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I am not sure with this T-short marketing. You must impress people with projects, visions they can attract big investors but not with casino Depps.
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March 10, 2016, 10:01:44 AM
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Any updates on Bter's withdrawals?
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March 10, 2016, 10:03:22 AM
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you have 868 likers on facebook why you say 662?

There are a few Facebook pages who liked our page, I don't count them in. I suspect that some users have privacy settings which forbid me from seeing them. At Facebook I have access to a section at which I see all likes, and these are 100% the correct and (until yesterday) only ones.


Your coin has been listed on Crypto Database, if it is missing information or some information is incorrect please let me know.

You can view it here, http://cryptodatabase.net/coins.php?cat=L

Thank you very much. It would be great if you could change the icon to this: http://max.lisk.io/lisk-icon.png


Too much hype for this coin, tshirts in exchange of thousands of bitcoins? Huh

The T-Shirt shop was started by a Lisk community member. I'm very glad that our users are showing initiative.

We are not associated with the T-Shirt shop. Smiley



Any updates on Bter's withdrawals?

Unfortunately, no.

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March 10, 2016, 10:14:00 AM
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What exactly are you doing with the crypti? I see, that after IPO you will own about half of it?
So you have a strong force on the price of it.
Tell us:
Will you dump all crypti and let it die?
or will you horde it and let it skyrocket?

I feel scammed, if I give you crypti for peanuts and you let it skyrocket and also if I keep them and you let it die by dumping...
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March 10, 2016, 10:21:31 AM
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I have a technical question. Can Dapp applications like sports betting, prediction markets, exchanges works without smart contracts?
I am worried about projects like sports betting, prediction markets. This are for big players with big money and on the market the are a lot of competitors.
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March 10, 2016, 10:55:23 AM
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you have 868 likers on facebook why you say 662?

There are a few Facebook pages who liked our page, I don't count them in. I suspect that some users have privacy settings which forbid me from seeing them. At Facebook I have access to a section at which I see all likes, and these are 100% the correct and (until yesterday) only ones.

just see
http://imgur.com/BZdVISd

Your coin has been listed on Crypto Database, if it is missing information or some information is incorrect please let me know.

You can view it here, http://cryptodatabase.net/coins.php?cat=L

Thank you very much. It would be great if you could change the icon to this: http://max.lisk.io/lisk-icon.png


Too much hype for this coin, tshirts in exchange of thousands of bitcoins? Huh

The T-Shirt shop was started by a Lisk community member. I'm very glad that our users are showing initiative.

We are not associated with the T-Shirt shop. Smiley



Any updates on Bter's withdrawals?

Unfortunately, no.
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March 10, 2016, 11:23:05 AM
Last edit: March 11, 2016, 01:18:22 PM by MalReynolds
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Hiya, I was under the impression that the exchanged XCRs would be converted into BTC with the rate of 1300 sat and then Lisk would be distributed based on the number of BTC invested.
For ex: If someone donates 1 million XCR, it would amount to 13 BTC and so the person would get Lisk worth 13 BTC.

This is correct.  This is just another way (and a simpler one) to state mathematically what I did about the number of Lisk received being less and less than the Crypti exchanged as the Lisk satoshi price goes above 1300.  Also, by using XCR there is no 15%/10%/5% bonus.  That reward is only available to BTC and Shapeshift donors.  


If Lisk ICO accepted BTC ONLY, then most XCR owners would've dumped their XCR on exchanges for MUCH LESS than 1300 satoshi per XCR. XCR price would've crashed by now.

Each BTC investor in this ICO would've received a larger share of Lisk, but now that Lisk ICO is accepting OVERPRICED XCR, BTC investors share is getting diluted with XCR investments, that's why I said BTC investors are bailing out Crypti bag holders.

I agree that if Crypti XCR was not accepted at all in this ICO, then BTC donors would receive a proportionally larger share of the 85M Lisk to be distributed.  

But that larger share of Lisk would also be worth less in satoshi by a factor of the equivalent BTC from Crypti that would be excluded.  

So tell me exactly how would the BTC donors gain financially by the exclusion of Crypti exchanges for Lisk?  The BTC donors would own more of a less valuable coin, so the actual value of their holdings (large or small) remains unchanged in either case.

If BTC holders don't gain financially by the exclusion of Crypti donors, then they don't lose financially from the inclusion of Crypti donors.

If BTC donors don't lose financially from the inclusion of Crypti donors, then the BTC donors are not bailing out Crypti bag holders.

Look, I understand what you are getting at.  Crypti owners are between a rock and a hard place, and they got there by the actions and inactions of Crypti management.  That's why the Lisk fork got started.  

But it is not correct to give the impression that Crypti donors are causing BTC donors to lose money.  They are not.  What is happening is that BTC donors showing up allows building a ship that is big enough for Crypti donors to board, too, and get out of their life raft.  And Olivier and Max are organizing this rescue at sea so that it benefits everybody.

Sure, if Lisk were to exclude Crypti donors, the BTC donors would be getting use of the Version 0.5.5 sidechain/dapp software for free.  Sure, under open source rules, that's allowed.  But... is it right to stiff the Crypti donors that funded that software from vaporware to a hard-won code base?

You state Crypti owners would have dumped to join Lisk, I don't believe this would have been the case.
We would've likely experienced FUD from angry Crypti holders. This would've caused the ICO to raise limited funds.
Lisk accepted Crypti in an act of honor, and it was the correct choice. They united the Crypti community while eliminating any potential dangers of FUD.

This is why Max and Olivier are worthy of trust in this ICO and going forward as the leaders of the Lisk project.
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March 10, 2016, 11:24:09 AM
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Lisk could already be added to this list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_funded_crowdfunding_projects

That's impressive.

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March 10, 2016, 11:32:26 AM
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What exactly are you doing with the crypti? I see, that after IPO you will own about half of it?
So you have a strong force on the price of it.
Tell us:
Will you dump all crypti and let it die?
or will you horde it and let it skyrocket?

I feel scammed, if I give you crypti for peanuts and you let it skyrocket and also if I keep them and you let it die by dumping...

Everybody wants to know that, but why would they give us inside? You can give them 50% of your crypti and keep the rest 50%, for example.

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March 10, 2016, 11:40:43 AM
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Lisk could already be added to this list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_funded_crowdfunding_projects

That's impressive.

It sure is.

I've found another list:
Ripple - Over 30M USD from VC's
Ethereum - 31,531 BTC from presale
MaidSafe - around 12,200 in BTC from presale
SuperNet - 5737 BTC from presale ~ part the the NXT platform asset
Neucoin - 2.25M USD from Investors + around 4000 BTC from Neucoin presale.
Stellar - 3M USD from Stripe
Bitshares - 500,000 USD from investors + 5625 BTC in donations (via BTS AGS)
Mastercoin (Omni) - around 4700 BTC from presale
Lisk - around 3800 BTC from presale. 11 days to go!
Ziftr - 3700 BTC from presale
GetGems - 2633 BTC from presale
Factom - 2287 BTC from presale



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March 10, 2016, 11:44:44 AM
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Lisk could already be added to this list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_funded_crowdfunding_projects

That's impressive.

It sure is.

I've found another list:
Ripple - Over 30M USD from VC's
Ethereum - 31,531 BTC from presale
MaidSafe - around 12,200 in BTC from presale
SuperNet - 5737 BTC from presale ~ part the the NXT platform asset
Neucoin - 2.25M USD from Investors + around 4000 BTC from Neucoin presale.
Stellar - 3M USD from Stripe
Bitshares - 500,000 USD from investors + 5625 BTC in donations (via BTS AGS)
Mastercoin (Omni) - around 4700 BTC from presale
Lisk - around 3800 BTC from presale. 11 days to go!
Ziftr - 3700 BTC from presale
GetGems - 2633 BTC from presale
Factom - 2287 BTC from presale

I went through all of them of coinmarketcap.com. Why GetGems, Neucoin and SuperNET went down? Where's Ziftr?

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March 10, 2016, 12:40:26 PM
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What exactly are you doing with the crypti? I see, that after IPO you will own about half of it?
So you have a strong force on the price of it.
Tell us:
Will you dump all crypti and let it die?
or will you horde it and let it skyrocket?

I feel scammed, if I give you crypti for peanuts and you let it skyrocket and also if I keep them and you let it die by dumping...

Everybody wants to know that, but why would they give us inside? You can give them 50% of your crypti and keep the rest 50%, for example.

As investors I think we deserve that information...
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March 10, 2016, 01:06:20 PM
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What exactly are you doing with the crypti? I see, that after IPO you will own about half of it?
So you have a strong force on the price of it.
Tell us:
Will you dump all crypti and let it die?
or will you horde it and let it skyrocket?

I feel scammed, if I give you crypti for peanuts and you let it skyrocket and also if I keep them and you let it die by dumping...

Everybody wants to know that, but why would they give us inside? You can give them 50% of your crypti and keep the rest 50%, for example.

As investors I think we deserve that information...

First of all we will have to hold the XCR for 1 month. Then we will see what we do. Probably nothing.


I can tell you my personal opinion, Crypti will be insignificant in the future. We have over 50%, that's enough reason.

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March 10, 2016, 02:38:51 PM
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March 10, 2016, 02:42:12 PM
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What exactly are you doing with the crypti? I see, that after IPO you will own about half of it?
So you have a strong force on the price of it.
Tell us:
Will you dump all crypti and let it die?
or will you horde it and let it skyrocket?

I feel scammed, if I give you crypti for peanuts and you let it skyrocket and also if I keep them and you let it die by dumping...

Nobody put a gun to your head and told you to buy crypti.  Your feelings of scam are most likely called regret and scape goat.
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