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[swogerino]

What.A.Race.

I am saying it just like McLaren did at their official page and it truly was an A race yesterday.In a track where Mercedes has dominated these last few years yesterday they were out of the picture.A big well done to Max Verstappen as it was an absolutely deserved win for him.Lewis was a bit ill during the weekend so he was not at full health during this race but justifications are not valid for Champions I think.

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2019 FORMULA 1 GERMAN GRAND PRIX - RACE RESULTS

1   Max Verstappen   NED   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   64 laps
2   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Scuderia Ferrari   + 7.333s
3   Daniil Kvyat   RUS   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   + 8.305s
4   Lance Stroll   CAN   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   + 8.966s
5   Carlos Sainz   ESP   McLaren F1 Team   + 9.583s
6   Alexander Albon   THA   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   + 10.052s
7   Romain Grosjean   FRA   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   + 16.838s
8   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   + 18.765s
9   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   + 19.667s
10   Robert Kubica   POL   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 24.987s
11   George Russell   GBR   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 26.404s
12   Kimi Raikkonen   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 42.214s*
13   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 43.849s*
RET   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   61 laps
RET   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   56 laps
RET   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   Renault F1 Team   39 laps
RET   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   27 laps
RET   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Renault F1 Team   25 laps
RET   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   13 laps
RET   Sergio Perez   MEX   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   1 lap


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This was definitely the best race so far this season, rain is something that creates great race, so many tactics with so many retirements and wall hitting. Seem like this race in Germany is turning point, last year Vetter lost here and in the end lost his championship, maybe this time will be for Lewis and maybe just maybe will Max be the person to look for the championship title.

[klaaas]

This was definitely the best race so far this season, rain is something that creates great race, so many tactics with so many retirements and wall hitting. Seem like this race in Germany is turning point, last year Vetter lost here and in the end lost his championship, maybe this time will be for Lewis and maybe just maybe will Max be the person to look for the championship title.

It was a awesome race to watch with allot of exciting moments and great to see who could handle there cars in these conditions. It wont happen that much we dont see Mercedes on the podium. Max was the best driver in the rain and earned his first place. 

[Naida_BR]

I reckon the only reason why the race was not boring as usual was because of the rain. Without the rain, Lewis wins and Max might fall on 3rd hehehe.

In any case, it was an outstanding race for Sebastian, good on him.

We saw the most entertaining race yesterday.
I hope that we will see more races in rain till the end of the season. Max deserved the win and Bottas didn't deserve to crash but this was part of the race!

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A New Formula 1 GP this week.

They will race in Hungary on Hungaroring.

This race is very boring there is almost no way of overtaking.

These are 2018 results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Grand_Prix

Pole position

1    44    United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton    Mercedes    1:17.419    1:31.242    1:35.658    1
2    77    Finland Valtteri Bottas    Mercedes    1:17.123    1:32.081    1:35.918    2
3    7    Finland Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    1:17.526    1:32.762    1:36.186    3
4    5    Germany Sebastian Vettel    Ferrari    1:16.666    1:28.636    1:36.210    4

Podium

1    44    United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton    Mercedes    70    1:37:16.427    1    25
2    5    Germany Sebastian Vettel    Ferrari    70    +17.123    4    18
3    7    Finland Kimi Räikkönen    Ferrari    70    +20.101    3    15

Fastest lap

Driver   Australia Daniel Ricciardo   Red Bull Racing-TAG Heuer Time   1:20.012 on lap 46

Data from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Hungarian_Grand_Prix



This should an easy race for Mercedes BUT the wheater can be rain.

[DaveF]

Would anyone want to include next years Formula-E in this thread?
Yeah, I know some people think electric racing is not real racing.

Since I'm a New Yorker, I saw last years and this years race in Brooklyn. Really enjoyed it.

-Dave

[bbc.reporter]

@DaveF. How much more boring is it than formula 1 hehehe?

I watched it before. It is good to see some of the former formula 1 drivers in there, however the cars do not look as nice and they are not that fast. But include it if you want.

[STT]

the problem is the visibility become poor

Thats the main problem with rain racing that can make it a write off or an extreme combination of a track like monaco and heavy rain can make the race into a clown car pile up quite easily.   But I love the unexpected challenges they must overcome with an amount of rain the tires can cope with and still find grip and visibility, anything that shakes up the order and demands immediate skill to win is a welcome factor to the race.

Yeah, I know some people think electric racing is not real racing.

Its real racing and theres increasingly electric cars in use so theres going to be electric car racing but do they deserve a separate field and to call it F1 I'm not sure without being the best that's exactly correct.   If its 'too perfect' in its race then it wont succeed, thats the problem electric has of being monotone but I'm sure they can keep it open enough to be exciting.   I still imagine conventional F1 to be the best overall for its challenges.

[swogerino]

I hope there is rain again this weekend in Hungaroring as it will make the race a lot more beautiful to watch.The Championship may become open again if Mercedes fail this time too.I think though that they will be driving with more caution this time if rain really hits the track.

[Naida_BR]

I hope there is rain again this weekend in Hungaroring as it will make the race a lot more beautiful to watch.The Championship may become open again if Mercedes fail this time too.I think though that they will be driving with more caution this time if rain really hits the track.

Even if we have rain Mercedes are the best cars on the track and they would be again the favorites for winning the 1st and 2nd place in hungaroring!

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Pole position for Verstappen.

Mercedes 2nd and 3rd, this will be a super boring race if the rain will not coming, here is almost impossible to overtake.

They should delete this race from the schedule.

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MotoGP qualifying result for BRNO track in Czech

POS   RIDER   NAT   TEAM   TIME/DIFF   LAP   MAX
1   Marc Marquez   SPA   Repsol Honda (RC213V)   2'2.753s   7/7   304k
2   Jack Miller   AUS   Pramac Ducati (GP19)   +2.524s   6/7   303k
3   Johann Zarco   FRA   Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16)   +2.598s   2/6   299k
4   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA   Mission Winnow Ducati (GP19)   +2.837s   5/6   299k
5   Pol Espargaro   SPA   Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16)   +2.957s   5/6   302k
6   Alex Rins   SPA   Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   +3.419s   2/6   299k
7   Valentino Rossi   ITA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +3.480s   7/7   291k
8   Danilo Petrucci   ITA   Mission Winnow Ducati (GP19)   +3.704s   3/7   302k
9   Maverick Viñales   SPA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +3.873s   2/6   297k
10   Fabio Quartararo   FRA   Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1)*   +3.895s   2/7   294k
11   Cal Crutchlow   GBR   LCR Honda (RC213V)   +4.370s   3/7   298k
12   Franco Morbidelli   ITA   Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +6.651s   2/5   284k                   
13   Takaaki Nakagami   JPN   LCR Honda (RC213V)   2'5.265s   6/7   296k
14   Francesco Bagnaia   ITA   Pramac Ducati (GP18)*   2'5.286s   7/7   301k
15   Sylvain Guintoli   FRA   Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   2'5.551s   6/7   298k
16   Miguel Oliveira   POR   Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16)*   2'5.763s   7/7   298k
17   Stefan Bradl   GER   Repsol Honda (RC213V)   2'5.974s   5/7   298k
18   Aleix Espargaro   SPA   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   2'6.284s   6/6   300k
19   Joan Mir   SPA   Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)*   2'6.554s   2/7   297k
20   Karel Abraham   CZE   Reale Avintia Ducati (GP18)   2'6.898s   7/7   296k
21   Hafizh Syahrin   MAL   Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16)   2'7.155s   6/6   297k
22   Tito Rabat   SPA   Reale Avintia Ducati (GP18)   2'7.315s   6/7   294k
23   Andrea Iannone   ITA   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   2'7.923s   3/6   298k

Big risk and big payout for Marquez with slick on rain track.

[DaveF]

@DaveF. How much more boring is it than formula 1 hehehe?

I watched it before. It is good to see some of the former formula 1 drivers in there, however the cars do not look as nice and they are not that fast. But include it if you want.

I don't think they don't look as nice. They are just different.
No, not as fast but very quiet. Which helps, and *I* think it will help generate more interest. It's tough to convince a bunch of non motorsport people to have a race on their streets. It blocks traffic, and causes other issues. Not to mention the noise. You can hear them across the city. With the electric car & bike races you dog can be asleep in your front window as they drive by and it might not wake up. That helps the sport.
Yes it's a bit of an exaggeration but it does get the people nearby off your back when you want to do it.

-Dave

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2019 FORMULA 1 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - QUALIFYING RESULTS

POS   DRIVER   NAT   TEAM   Q1   Q2   Q3
1   Max Verstappen   NED   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   1m15.817s   + 0.025s   1m14.572s
2   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   + 0.261s   + 0.121s   + 0.018s
3   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   + 0.251s   1m15.548s   + 0.197s
4   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   + 0.520s   + 0.244s   + 0.471s
5   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Scuderia Ferrari   + 0.635s   + 0.337s   + 0.499s
6   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   + 0.899s   + 0.845s   + 0.878s
7   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   + 0.880s   + 0.512s   + 1.228s
8   Carlos Sainz   ESP   McLaren F1 Team   + 0.676s   + 0.760s   + 1.280s
9   Romain Grosjean   FRA   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   + 1.161s   + 0.771s   + 1.441s
10   Kimi Raikkonen   FIN   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 0.689s   + 0.970s   + 1.469s
11   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   Renault F1 Team   + 0.973s   + 1.017s   
12   Alexander Albon   THA   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   + 1.095s   + 1.139s   
13   Daniil Kvyat   RUS   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   + 0.933s   + 1.144s   
14   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 1.077s   + 1.256s   
15   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   + 0.305s   + 1.533s   
16   George Russell   GBR   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 1.214s       
17   Sergio Perez   MEX   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   + 1.292s       
18   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Renault F1 Team   + 1.440s       
19   Lance Stroll   CAN   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   + 1.725s       
20   Robert Kubica   POL   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 2.507s

This is great for Honda cant remember when they took last time pole position.

[Naida_BR]

2019 FORMULA 1 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - QUALIFYING RESULTS

POS   DRIVER   NAT   TEAM   Q1   Q2   Q3
1   Max Verstappen   NED   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   1m15.817s   + 0.025s   1m14.572s
2   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   + 0.261s   + 0.121s   + 0.018s
3   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   + 0.251s   1m15.548s   + 0.197s
4   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   + 0.520s   + 0.244s   + 0.471s
5   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Scuderia Ferrari   + 0.635s   + 0.337s   + 0.499s
6   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   + 0.899s   + 0.845s   + 0.878s
7   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   + 0.880s   + 0.512s   + 1.228s
8   Carlos Sainz   ESP   McLaren F1 Team   + 0.676s   + 0.760s   + 1.280s
9   Romain Grosjean   FRA   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   + 1.161s   + 0.771s   + 1.441s
10   Kimi Raikkonen   FIN   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 0.689s   + 0.970s   + 1.469s
11   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   Renault F1 Team   + 0.973s   + 1.017s   
12   Alexander Albon   THA   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   + 1.095s   + 1.139s   
13   Daniil Kvyat   RUS   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   + 0.933s   + 1.144s   
14   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 1.077s   + 1.256s   
15   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   + 0.305s   + 1.533s   
16   George Russell   GBR   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 1.214s       
17   Sergio Perez   MEX   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   + 1.292s       
18   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Renault F1 Team   + 1.440s       
19   Lance Stroll   CAN   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   + 1.725s       
20   Robert Kubica   POL   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 2.507s

This is great for Honda cant remember when they took last time pole position.

Amazing performance by Red Bull Honda.
Well bode to Max Verstappen for winning his 1st pole position in his career!

[LTU_btc]

Would anyone want to include next years Formula-E in this thread?
Yeah, I know some people think electric racing is not real racing.

Since I'm a New Yorker, I saw last years and this years race in Brooklyn. Really enjoyed it.

-Dave

This thread is for all racing series, not just F1 or MotoGP.
I saw few races of Formula E and it left me strange impression. They do races at very narrow street circuits and it means there are lot of crashes every race. And all cars are identical, so driver skills is most important here. But what I don't like is sound of these cars - they sounds like vacuum cleaners and this noise is a bit annoying. Damn, I miss sound of V12 engines in F1...

Pole position for Verstappen.

Mercedes 2nd and 3rd, this will be a super boring race if the rain will not coming, here is almost impossible to overtake.

They should delete this race from the schedule.

Why you're so sceptical? Yes, this track isn't best for overtaking, but few last races here was really interesting. There are some worse and more boring race circuits in F1, like Sochi, France, Monaco...

[maculeth]

MotoGP qualifying result for BRNO track in Czech

POS   RIDER   NAT   TEAM   TIME/DIFF   LAP   MAX
1   Marc Marquez   SPA   Repsol Honda (RC213V)   2'2.753s   7/7   304k
2   Jack Miller   AUS   Pramac Ducati (GP19)   +2.524s   6/7   303k
3   Johann Zarco   FRA   Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16)   +2.598s   2/6   299k
4   Andrea Dovizioso   ITA   Mission Winnow Ducati (GP19)   +2.837s   5/6   299k
5   Pol Espargaro   SPA   Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16)   +2.957s   5/6   302k
6   Alex Rins   SPA   Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   +3.419s   2/6   299k
7   Valentino Rossi   ITA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +3.480s   7/7   291k
8   Danilo Petrucci   ITA   Mission Winnow Ducati (GP19)   +3.704s   3/7   302k
9   Maverick Viñales   SPA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +3.873s   2/6   297k
10   Fabio Quartararo   FRA   Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1)*   +3.895s   2/7   294k
11   Cal Crutchlow   GBR   LCR Honda (RC213V)   +4.370s   3/7   298k
12   Franco Morbidelli   ITA   Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +6.651s   2/5   284k                   
13   Takaaki Nakagami   JPN   LCR Honda (RC213V)   2'5.265s   6/7   296k
14   Francesco Bagnaia   ITA   Pramac Ducati (GP18)*   2'5.286s   7/7   301k
15   Sylvain Guintoli   FRA   Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)   2'5.551s   6/7   298k
16   Miguel Oliveira   POR   Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16)*   2'5.763s   7/7   298k
17   Stefan Bradl   GER   Repsol Honda (RC213V)   2'5.974s   5/7   298k
18   Aleix Espargaro   SPA   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   2'6.284s   6/6   300k
19   Joan Mir   SPA   Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)*   2'6.554s   2/7   297k
20   Karel Abraham   CZE   Reale Avintia Ducati (GP18)   2'6.898s   7/7   296k
21   Hafizh Syahrin   MAL   Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16)   2'7.155s   6/6   297k
22   Tito Rabat   SPA   Reale Avintia Ducati (GP18)   2'7.315s   6/7   294k
23   Andrea Iannone   ITA   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   2'7.923s   3/6   298k

Big risk and big payout for Marquez with slick on rain track.

hope the race isn't boring
new enthusiasm after the half-season holiday, hoping that ROSSI can podium in the race this time, so that it can prove to YAMAHA and all MOTOGP spectators that ROSSI is still able to compete.

[coinlocket$]

Why you're so sceptical? Yes, this track isn't best for overtaking, but few last races here was really interesting. There are some worse and more boring race circuits in F1, like Sochi, France, Monaco...

I'm following the Formula 1 from over 15 years and I can't remember a fun race here, maybe there was one with the rain but I can't remember correctly.

" F1, Hungary: where it’s impossible to overtake."

https://racingspot.pirelli.com/global/en-ww/race/f1-hungary-where-it-s-impossible-to-overtake-most-of-the-time

Have a good reading.

[1982dre]

2019 FORMULA 1 HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX - QUALIFYING RESULTS

POS   DRIVER   NAT   TEAM   Q1   Q2   Q3
1   Max Verstappen   NED   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   1m15.817s   + 0.025s   1m14.572s
2   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   + 0.261s   + 0.121s   + 0.018s
3   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   + 0.251s   1m15.548s   + 0.197s
4   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   + 0.520s   + 0.244s   + 0.471s
5   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Scuderia Ferrari   + 0.635s   + 0.337s   + 0.499s
6   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   + 0.899s   + 0.845s   + 0.878s
7   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   + 0.880s   + 0.512s   + 1.228s
8   Carlos Sainz   ESP   McLaren F1 Team   + 0.676s   + 0.760s   + 1.280s
9   Romain Grosjean   FRA   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   + 1.161s   + 0.771s   + 1.441s
10   Kimi Raikkonen   FIN   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 0.689s   + 0.970s   + 1.469s
11   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   Renault F1 Team   + 0.973s   + 1.017s   
12   Alexander Albon   THA   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   + 1.095s   + 1.139s   
13   Daniil Kvyat   RUS   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   + 0.933s   + 1.144s   
14   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 1.077s   + 1.256s   
15   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   + 0.305s   + 1.533s   
16   George Russell   GBR   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 1.214s       
17   Sergio Perez   MEX   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   + 1.292s       
18   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Renault F1 Team   + 1.440s       
19   Lance Stroll   CAN   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   + 1.725s       
20   Robert Kubica   POL   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 2.507s

This is great for Honda cant remember when they took last time pole position.

Amazing performance by Red Bull Honda.
Well bode to Max Verstappen for winning his 1st pole position in his career!

Max is on fire last races. It looks promising for the second half of the season.

Let's hope Max have a good start this time.

[1982dre]

I screwed up as I went for a Hamilton pole position this weekend. Max Verstappen is an up and coming talent but I didn't expect to make his first pole ever today, pretty legendary times, well deserved for the hard work he puts in but it's never good news when you lose the bread on the gamble.

Im still betting tomorrow for a Hamilton top 1, he should take the lead eventually as experience shows up long term on the track. I think it's unlikely Verstappen gets lucky enough to do pole+win this weekend.

The circuit this weekend is a very good circuit for RB. So I won't put my money on Hamilton this weekend. ;-)