Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[FCTaiChi]

What precisely do you mean by lead time?

The time it will take for a new order to reach the consumer.

Is October still a reasonable estimate for lead time on all KnCMiner products?

We have yet to hear otherwise

Ok thanks.  They are still taking preorders with those dates, so I suppose they know what they are doing.  Just hard to imagine that is a possibility

[Phoenix1969]

Markus is some kind of Genius. I'm totally impressed, even without seeing it. This just keeps getting better and better. Thanks Bitcoinorama for sharing that.

It's not just Marcus! He has a team, I was told off before about this!!

Of course, lol.... 

OK, here's a question ...   We know they are "scale-able" and such...   looking at the newest drawings, one could easily see the same case & linux device going in/on every unit, and the number of pcb+chip modules determining the hashrate. So, the question is... Will it be the same case, and allow us to buy working pcb+chip expansion modules for the Mercury & Saturns, enabling us essentially to be able to turn them all into Jupiters? That would make me do back-flips right here in my living-room!

[RoadStress]

Markus is some kind of Genius. I'm totally impressed, even without seeing it. This just keeps getting better and better. Thanks Bitcoinorama for sharing that.

It's not just Marcus! He has a team, I was told off before about this!!

Of course, lol.... 

OK, here's a question ...   We know they are "scale-able" and such...   looking at the newest drawings, one could easily see the same case & linux device going in/on every unit, and the number of pcb+chip modules determining the hashrate. So, the question is... Will it be the same case, and allow us to buy working pcb+chip expansion modules for the Mercury & Saturns, enabling us essentially to be able to turn them all into Jupiters? That would make me do back-flips right here in my living-room!

I bet 0.5 BTC it's yes

[Bitcoinorama]

Markus is some kind of Genius. I'm totally impressed, even without seeing it. This just keeps getting better and better. Thanks Bitcoinorama for sharing that.

It's not just Marcus! He has a team, I was told off before about this!!

Of course, lol.... 

OK, here's a question ...   We know they are "scale-able" and such...   looking at the newest drawings, one could easily see the same case & linux device going in/on every unit, and the number of pcb+chip modules determining the hashrate. So, the question is... Will it be the same case, and allow us to buy working pcb+chip expansion modules for the Mercury & Saturns, enabling us essentially to be able to turn them all into Jupiters? That would make me do back-flips right here in my living-room!

I bet 0.5 BTC it's yes

Having seen the recent drawings, that thought occurred to myself, but then they would require customers to have the basics of IT skill, I'm not 100% customer service and after sale aggro wise that's what they intend to offer. It would allow customers to scale themselves regardless of financial standing that way though...

[stoechi]

I need to bone up on my linux.  I don't know anything about it.  Can a GUI be installed like Ubuntu or is it all prompts?  (probably don't know what I'm talking about)

Windows has made me soft.  Although I used to be pretty good at DOS back in the day. lol

this made me laugh so hard

[stoechi]

windows is like the fluffy american toast, surely it is and makes you soft and vulnerable )

[blastbob]

Its time for some sexy PCB pics and some deeper chip info

[Paladin69]

I need to bone up on my linux.  I don't know anything about it.  Can a GUI be installed like Ubuntu or is it all prompts?  (probably don't know what I'm talking about)

Windows has made me soft.  Although I used to be pretty good at DOS back in the day. lol

this made me laugh so hard

My retardation is for your amusement.  Glad I could provide.

[blastbob]

I need to bone up on my linux.  I don't know anything about it.  Can a GUI be installed like Ubuntu or is it all prompts?  (probably don't know what I'm talking about)

Windows has made me soft.  Although I used to be pretty good at DOS back in the day. lol

this made me laugh so hard

My retardation is for your amusement.  Glad I could provide.

http://www.belchfire.net/screenshots/6743-1195483006-windows_retard_prev.png kicks on my security..

[Paladin69]

I have noscript turned on, sorry about that.  WOT says nothing.  just found it in good images "windows retard" lol

[pheaonix]

i have been wondering about this

how are they going to have access to 28nm chips when the rest of the companies can barely get ahold of 65nm?

i do not understand how they are going to get a hold of 28nm at the same rate as Apple IBM etc.

[erk]

i have been wondering about this

how are they going to have access to 28nm chips when the rest of the companies can barely get ahold of 65nm?

i do not understand how they are going to get a hold of 28nm at the same rate as Apple IBM etc.

28nm is a common fab size, it costs more so other ASIC vendors opt for cheaper sizes.

[pheaonix]

i have been wondering about this

how are they going to have access to 28nm chips when the rest of the companies can barely get ahold of 65nm?

i do not understand how they are going to get a hold of 28nm at the same rate as Apple IBM etc.

28nm is a common fab size, it costs more so other ASIC vendors opt for cheaper sizes.

then why are other companies developing with larger gate size?

new stuff is coming out on 100+nm designs

also how did they get the millions to do a 28nm mask?

[erk]

i have been wondering about this

how are they going to have access to 28nm chips when the rest of the companies can barely get ahold of 65nm?

i do not understand how they are going to get a hold of 28nm at the same rate as Apple IBM etc.

28nm is a common fab size, it costs more so other ASIC vendors opt for cheaper sizes.

then why are other companies developing with larger gate size?

new stuff is coming out on 100+nm designs

The larger sizes are cheaper. It not very hard to understand.

[pheaonix]

i have been wondering about this

how are they going to have access to 28nm chips when the rest of the companies can barely get ahold of 65nm?

i do not understand how they are going to get a hold of 28nm at the same rate as Apple IBM etc.

28nm is a common fab size, it costs more so other ASIC vendors opt for cheaper sizes.

then why are other companies developing with larger gate size?

new stuff is coming out on 100+nm designs

The larger sizes are cheaper. It not very hard to understand.

no i do understand, its just that it doesn't make sense from a business perspective. all of the buyers will gravitate towards the faster, more energy efficient product. they will be dead before they can even sell the product. from now on, shouldn't they be focusing on improving a 28nm design?

[Vycid]

i have been wondering about this

how are they going to have access to 28nm chips when the rest of the companies can barely get ahold of 65nm?

i do not understand how they are going to get a hold of 28nm at the same rate as Apple IBM etc.

28nm is a common fab size, it costs more so other ASIC vendors opt for cheaper sizes.

then why are other companies developing with larger gate size?

new stuff is coming out on 100+nm designs

The larger sizes are cheaper. It not very hard to understand.

no i do understand, its just that it doesn't make sense from a business perspective. all of the buyers will gravitate towards the faster, more energy efficient product. they will be dead before they can even sell the product. from now on, shouldn't they be focusing on improving a 28nm design?

No, because the mask sets at 28nm are far more expensive. So you start with chips that you have the money to develop, make some money, THEN use that money to pay for 28nm chips.

[Phoenix1969]

i have been wondering about this

how are they going to have access to 28nm chips when the rest of the companies can barely get ahold of 65nm?

i do not understand how they are going to get a hold of 28nm at the same rate as Apple IBM etc.

28nm is a common fab size, it costs more so other ASIC vendors opt for cheaper sizes.

then why are other companies developing with larger gate size?

new stuff is coming out on 100+nm designs

The larger sizes are cheaper. It not very hard to understand.

no i do understand, its just that it doesn't make sense from a business perspective. all of the buyers will gravitate towards the faster, more energy efficient product. they will be dead before they can even sell the product. from now on, shouldn't they be focusing on improving a 28nm design?

No, because the mask sets at 28nm are far more expensive. So you start with chips that you have the money to develop, make some money, THEN use that money to pay for 28nm chips.

Let's put it this way... There are no other asic designers with the experience KNC has. Nobody comes close. Several completed asic projects. So, with that in mind, don't you think they have established relationships with manufacturers?  The knowledge to do a much simpler project than in the past?... Yes, simpler. They have one with over 140 clock domains....this has two.   Nuff said?

[bitpop]

Sweet I can stick them around the house on different circuits.

[DPoS]

Sweet I can stick them around the house on different circuits.

wherever you need some heat!!

[Vycid]

i have been wondering about this

how are they going to have access to 28nm chips when the rest of the companies can barely get ahold of 65nm?

i do not understand how they are going to get a hold of 28nm at the same rate as Apple IBM etc.

28nm is a common fab size, it costs more so other ASIC vendors opt for cheaper sizes.

then why are other companies developing with larger gate size?

new stuff is coming out on 100+nm designs

The larger sizes are cheaper. It not very hard to understand.

no i do understand, its just that it doesn't make sense from a business perspective. all of the buyers will gravitate towards the faster, more energy efficient product. they will be dead before they can even sell the product. from now on, shouldn't they be focusing on improving a 28nm design?

No, because the mask sets at 28nm are far more expensive. So you start with chips that you have the money to develop, make some money, THEN use that money to pay for 28nm chips.

Let's put it this way... There are no other asic designers with the experience KNC has. Nobody comes close. Several completed asic projects. So, with that in mind, don't you think they have established relationships with manufacturers?  The knowledge to do a much simpler project than in the past?... Yes, simpler. They have one with over 140 clock domains....this has two.   Nuff said?

That doesn't change the fact that the startup costs for cutting edge nodes like 28nm is much higher than for larger feature sizes (like 0.11um for Avalon).

I'm sure they can design the chips, but it's a different issue whether they've got the capital to pay a foundry for a mask set (which will run many millions).