Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[Bitcoinorama]

In Europe you easily pay 0,30$ per 1000W/h. We use too much green energy here

0,3$*24h*30days = 216$ alone for energy per month.... :-/

So from my point of view pricing is ok

That makes more sense. Energy peaks at .12$ per 1000W/h (I think) where I am. All I know is that I'm running 4x750 PSUs for a LTC mining rig and that's about $250 a month. Have to re-evaluate closer to the ship date depending on where difficulty and BTC/USD are, and make a decision from there.

last year the kwh was around 20€ cent.

http://www.stepmap.de/karte/strompreise-europa-1160873

€0.2 is $0.26 anyway...

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[robix]

I mean:

-> e.g. you ordered and payed for a Saturn on 20th June
-> Now you upgrade to Jupiter lets say on 10th August - you also do your "upgrade" payment on 10th August

What is the "paying" date for your order? 20th June oder 10th August? As far as I understood this will have big impact on delivery date of your machine due KnC said "First paid, first serve".

I think the order/payment position of your Saturn remains, and the new order for the upgrade gets a new position.

[Bitcoinorama]

I mean:

-> e.g. you ordered and payed for a Saturn on 20th June
-> Now you upgrade to Jupiter lets say on 10th August - you also do your "upgrade" payment on 10th August

What is the "paying" date for your order? 20th June oder 10th August? As far as I understood this will have big impact on delivery date of your machine due KnC said "First paid, first serve".

I think the order/payment position of your Saturn remains, and the new order for the upgrade gets a new position.

Meh w.r.t. production you're talking of a module or two added to an existing order, not a brand new order of multiple units. No one will have ordered multiple Saturns when they could pay less for Jupiters and an odd Saturn at the end if that's what they could afford at the time. So even in that example at worst it's an additional two modules to an order...

[de_ixie]

I mean:

-> e.g. you ordered and payed for a Saturn on 20th June
-> Now you upgrade to Jupiter lets say on 10th August - you also do your "upgrade" payment on 10th August

What is the "paying" date for your order? 20th June oder 10th August? As far as I understood this will have big impact on delivery date of your machine due KnC said "First paid, first serve".

I think the order/payment position of your Saturn remains, and the new order for the upgrade gets a new position.

Meh w.r.t. production you're talking of a module or two added to an existing order, not a brand new order of multiple units. No one will have ordered multiple Saturns when they could pay less for Jupiters and an odd Saturn at the end if that's what they could afford at the time. So even in that example at worst it's an additional two modules to an order...

Hehe - that being said. I ordered 2 Saturns instead of 1 Jupiter - Feels stupid now omg

[robix]

I mean:

-> e.g. you ordered and payed for a Saturn on 20th June
-> Now you upgrade to Jupiter lets say on 10th August - you also do your "upgrade" payment on 10th August

What is the "paying" date for your order? 20th June oder 10th August? As far as I understood this will have big impact on delivery date of your machine due KnC said "First paid, first serve".

I think the order/payment position of your Saturn remains, and the new order for the upgrade gets a new position.

Meh w.r.t. production you're talking of a module or two added to an existing order, not a brand new order of multiple units. No one will have ordered multiple Saturns when they could pay less for Jupiters and an odd Saturn at the end if that's what they could afford at the time. So even in that example at worst it's an additional two modules to an order...

How would you add modules to an existing order? That's not possible in their shop.

[Bitcoinorama]

I mean:

-> e.g. you ordered and payed for a Saturn on 20th June
-> Now you upgrade to Jupiter lets say on 10th August - you also do your "upgrade" payment on 10th August

What is the "paying" date for your order? 20th June oder 10th August? As far as I understood this will have big impact on delivery date of your machine due KnC said "First paid, first serve".

I think the order/payment position of your Saturn remains, and the new order for the upgrade gets a new position.

Meh w.r.t. production you're talking of a module or two added to an existing order, not a brand new order of multiple units. No one will have ordered multiple Saturns when they could pay less for Jupiters and an odd Saturn at the end if that's what they could afford at the time. So even in that example at worst it's an additional two modules to an order...

Hehe - that being said. I ordered 2 Saturns instead of 1 Jupiter - Feels stupid now omg

Why?? Surely you could have that altered. Not only is it additional funds, surely it's wasted additional electricity?!

[Bitcoinorama]

I mean:

-> e.g. you ordered and payed for a Saturn on 20th June
-> Now you upgrade to Jupiter lets say on 10th August - you also do your "upgrade" payment on 10th August

What is the "paying" date for your order? 20th June oder 10th August? As far as I understood this will have big impact on delivery date of your machine due KnC said "First paid, first serve".

I think the order/payment position of your Saturn remains, and the new order for the upgrade gets a new position.

Meh w.r.t. production you're talking of a module or two added to an existing order, not a brand new order of multiple units. No one will have ordered multiple Saturns when they could pay less for Jupiters and an odd Saturn at the end if that's what they could afford at the time. So even in that example at worst it's an additional two modules to an order...

How would you add modules to an existing order? That's not possible in their shop.

Wow, read dude, the update was all of a few hours ago!

[ASIC-K]

I mean:

-> e.g. you ordered and payed for a Saturn on 20th June
-> Now you upgrade to Jupiter lets say on 10th August - you also do your "upgrade" payment on 10th August

What is the "paying" date for your order? 20th June oder 10th August? As far as I understood this will have big impact on delivery date of your machine due KnC said "First paid, first serve".

I think the order/payment position of your Saturn remains, and the new order for the upgrade gets a new position.

Meh w.r.t. production you're talking of a module or two added to an existing order, not a brand new order of multiple units. No one will have ordered multiple Saturns when they could pay less for Jupiters and an odd Saturn at the end if that's what they could afford at the time. So even in that example at worst it's an additional two modules to an order...

How would you add modules to an existing order? That's not possible in their shop.

Wow, read dude, the update was all of a few hours ago!

i think he means the actual order shop, the webpage doesnt allow it. i believe they will be adding that functionality later this week.

[robix]

Wow, read dude, the update was all of a few hours ago!

I did. From my understanding they will offer upgrade modules shortly. So if you have e.g. a Saturn, you can order an upgrade module. But that's a separate order, separately shipped.

[canth]

I mean:

-> e.g. you ordered and payed for a Saturn on 20th June
-> Now you upgrade to Jupiter lets say on 10th August - you also do your "upgrade" payment on 10th August

What is the "paying" date for your order? 20th June oder 10th August? As far as I understood this will have big impact on delivery date of your machine due KnC said "First paid, first serve".

I think the order/payment position of your Saturn remains, and the new order for the upgrade gets a new position.

Meh w.r.t. production you're talking of a module or two added to an existing order, not a brand new order of multiple units. No one will have ordered multiple Saturns when they could pay less for Jupiters and an odd Saturn at the end if that's what they could afford at the time. So even in that example at worst it's an additional two modules to an order...

Hehe - that being said. I ordered 2 Saturns instead of 1 Jupiter - Feels stupid now omg

Why?? Surely you could have that altered. Not only is it additional funds, surely it's wasted additional electricity?!

From a reliability standpoint, it could be wiser to order two Saturn units. If you order 1 Jupiter and for whatever reason it suffers a failure and takes a week or more to get replaced, depending upon difficulty that could easily outweigh the extra cost of buying 2 Saturns.

There are reasons to buy two instead of one.

[canth]

Wow, read dude, the update was all of a few hours ago!

I did. From my understanding they will offer upgrade modules shortly. So if you have e.g. a Saturn, you can order an upgrade module. But that's a separate order, separately shipped.

+1. This is what makes sense to me. At this point, anything ordered that's new with a chip in it should be in queue behind all the other orders.

[zyyz]

Wow, read dude, the update was all of a few hours ago!

I did. From my understanding they will offer upgrade modules shortly. So if you have e.g. a Saturn, you can order an upgrade module. But that's a separate order, separately shipped.

+1. This is what makes sense to me. At this point, anything ordered that's new with a chip in it should be in queue behind all the other orders.

+1

[Bitcoinorama]

Wow, read dude, the update was all of a few hours ago!

I did. From my understanding they will offer upgrade modules shortly. So if you have e.g. a Saturn, you can order an upgrade module. But that's a separate order, separately shipped.

+1. This is what makes sense to me. At this point, anything ordered that's new with a chip in it should be in queue behind all the other orders.

Meh, I'm not going to cry over someone with 1 Saturn upgrading to 1 Jupiter to the extent that it would delay their shipment by weeks to have two small modules added if production can be ramped up enough not to effect the current order days promised to everyone else...

[de_ixie]

I mean:

-> e.g. you ordered and payed for a Saturn on 20th June
-> Now you upgrade to Jupiter lets say on 10th August - you also do your "upgrade" payment on 10th August

What is the "paying" date for your order? 20th June oder 10th August? As far as I understood this will have big impact on delivery date of your machine due KnC said "First paid, first serve".

I think the order/payment position of your Saturn remains, and the new order for the upgrade gets a new position.

Meh w.r.t. production you're talking of a module or two added to an existing order, not a brand new order of multiple units. No one will have ordered multiple Saturns when they could pay less for Jupiters and an odd Saturn at the end if that's what they could afford at the time. So even in that example at worst it's an additional two modules to an order...

Hehe - that being said. I ordered 2 Saturns instead of 1 Jupiter - Feels stupid now omg

Why?? Surely you could have that altered. Not only is it additional funds, surely it's wasted additional electricity?!

I ordered one Saturn -.... and decided for a second later on - will surely merge them in case of given possibility. Let's wait how the new shop will look like :-)

[robix]

Wow, read dude, the update was all of a few hours ago!

I did. From my understanding they will offer upgrade modules shortly. So if you have e.g. a Saturn, you can order an upgrade module. But that's a separate order, separately shipped.

+1. This is what makes sense to me. At this point, anything ordered that's new with a chip in it should be in queue behind all the other orders.

Meh, I'm not going to cry over someone with 1 Saturn upgrading to 1 Jupiter to the extent that it would delay their shipment by weeks to have two small modules added if production can be ramped up enough not to effect the current order days promised...

It's not interesting if you cry, but for the guy with the Saturn it is. Btw, I have a Jupiter on order.

[jeroenn13]

Wow, read dude, the update was all of a few hours ago!

I did. From my understanding they will offer upgrade modules shortly. So if you have e.g. a Saturn, you can order an upgrade module. But that's a separate order, separately shipped.

+1. This is what makes sense to me. At this point, anything ordered that's new with a chip in it should be in queue behind all the other orders.

Meh, I'm not going to cry over someone with 1 Saturn upgrading to 1 Jupiter to the extent that it would delay their shipment by weeks to have two small modules added if production can be ramped up enough not to effect the current order days promised...

It's not interesting if you cry, but for the guy with the Saturn it is. Btw, I have a Jupiter on order.

You are so cool!, do not forget to give your mom her money back.

[canth]

Wow, read dude, the update was all of a few hours ago!

I did. From my understanding they will offer upgrade modules shortly. So if you have e.g. a Saturn, you can order an upgrade module. But that's a separate order, separately shipped.

+1. This is what makes sense to me. At this point, anything ordered that's new with a chip in it should be in queue behind all the other orders.

Meh, I'm not going to cry over someone with 1 Saturn upgrading to 1 Jupiter to the extent that it would delay their shipment by weeks to have two small modules added if production can be ramped up enough not to effect the current order days promised...

I certainly would complain. We're all in a queue and those early investors derive the benefits (or losses) over those more hesitant to commit. If 100 orders get upgraded from Saturns to Jupiters it means that someone with order number 3000+ might wait an extra week to get their order - how is that fair? I honestly don't think it'll affect my orders, but it's a matter of fairness. Otherwise why would we not all have ordered 2X as many Saturns and just have waited until the units are nearly shipping to upgrade them?

I hate to compare, but even BFL doesn't allow for upgrades after the order is placed.

[SLok]

Is there anything said by KNC how they will divide the units once ready between paying customers and the ones they will use for mining themselves?

Nobody knows?

[robix]

Wow, read dude, the update was all of a few hours ago!

I did. From my understanding they will offer upgrade modules shortly. So if you have e.g. a Saturn, you can order an upgrade module. But that's a separate order, separately shipped.

+1. This is what makes sense to me. At this point, anything ordered that's new with a chip in it should be in queue behind all the other orders.

Meh, I'm not going to cry over someone with 1 Saturn upgrading to 1 Jupiter to the extent that it would delay their shipment by weeks to have two small modules added if production can be ramped up enough not to effect the current order days promised...

It's not interesting if you cry, but for the guy with the Saturn it is. Btw, I have a Jupiter on order.

You are so cool!, do not forget to give your mom her money back.

Thx for the reminder.

[canth]

Wow, read dude, the update was all of a few hours ago!

I did. From my understanding they will offer upgrade modules shortly. So if you have e.g. a Saturn, you can order an upgrade module. But that's a separate order, separately shipped.

+1. This is what makes sense to me. At this point, anything ordered that's new with a chip in it should be in queue behind all the other orders.

Meh, I'm not going to cry over someone with 1 Saturn upgrading to 1 Jupiter to the extent that it would delay their shipment by weeks to have two small modules added if production can be ramped up enough not to effect the current order days promised...

It's not interesting if you cry, but for the guy with the Saturn it is. Btw, I have a Jupiter on order.

You are so cool!, do not forget to give your mom her money back.

Thx for the reminder.

I'd borrow money from my mom if I could upgrade units 30 days before they ship. Why not?