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who cares about that...not me, it's about end user performance & efficiency, period.
By that I mean: He with the most efficient machine will be the last man standing.
The why you should care is because low chip yields = fewer chips = slower production = delays in getting to customers. You can have the most efficient design in the world, but if you cannot reliably produce it or make enough to sell in any significant quantity, it's worthless. +1 This is the biggest threat to the project - but I think they have to see this coming. Perhaps by the time they release the chip info, we will have an update and that will reflect a last minute change on the chip design. Nothing wrong with changing the design, as long as it is feasible to get it out within the timeline specified. Good explanation btw. |
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merv77
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July 15, 2013, 07:34:40 PM |
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if anyone wanting to know when miners are shipped if paid for today... I don't think it will last long if deciding to buy or not to buy..  |
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crazyearner
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July 15, 2013, 07:38:14 PM |
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SO has their been any updates from the op and maker of knc miner as its gone very quite here.
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blastbob
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July 15, 2013, 07:44:11 PM |
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SO has their been any updates from the op and maker of knc miner as its gone very quite here.
kncminer.com , news section.. Its also holidays in sweden. |
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July 15, 2013, 07:50:53 PM |
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One of my big concerns with the Jupiter is the power consumption. 1000 watts constant usage is okay if your only running one machine, but if you start running 5 or 6 of them then your going to have to look at putting them on different electrical circuits. I'm really hoping that the power requirements are significantly lower than what they've quoted so far.
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July 15, 2013, 07:54:23 PM |
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One of my big concerns with the Jupiter is the power consumption. 1000 watts constant usage is okay if your only running one machine, but if you start running 5 or 6 of them then your going to have to look at putting them on different electrical circuits. I'm really hoping that the power requirements are significantly lower than what they've quoted so far.
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It's the lowest out there, one device is not going to overload your household power circuit, but of course adding multiple of anything eventually will, if it's an issue you cant deal with, then don't be so greedy, order what you can manage, or simply find another hobby. There is also the opportunity to pay someone who knows what they are doing to host the miners for you as mentioned on the KNCminer website. |
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July 15, 2013, 08:23:52 PM |
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One of my big concerns with the Jupiter is the power consumption. 1000 watts constant usage is okay if your only running one machine, but if you start running 5 or 6 of them then your going to have to look at putting them on different electrical circuits. I'm really hoping that the power requirements are significantly lower than what they've quoted so far.
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It's the lowest out there, one device is not going to overload your household power circuit, but of course adding multiple of anything eventually will, if it's an issue you cant deal with, then don't be so greedy, order what you can manage, or simply find another hobby. There is also the opportunity to pay someone who knows what they are doing to host the miners for you as mentioned on the KNCminer website. the safest option would be call an electrician to install a larger dedicated circuit breaker just for the miners. just like you would when installing a large air-conditioner. in Australia we have 240v 16 Amp circuits as standard wall outlet. I wouldn't put more than 3 on one circuit and probably safer to not go over 2 if other appliances use the same circuit, especially heaters/air-cons basically high wattage appliances. In USA it would be different, but if your outlets are rated at 120v 20 Amp circuits, then 2 Jupiters would be max per circuit and no high wattage appliances on same circuit. |
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July 15, 2013, 08:30:54 PM |
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One of my big concerns with the Jupiter is the power consumption. 1000 watts constant usage is okay if your only running one machine, but if you start running 5 or 6 of them then your going to have to look at putting them on different electrical circuits. I'm really hoping that the power requirements are significantly lower than what they've quoted so far.
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It's the lowest out there, one device is not going to overload your household power circuit, but of course adding multiple of anything eventually will, if it's an issue you cant deal with, then don't be so greedy, order what you can manage, or simply find another hobby. There is also the opportunity to pay someone who knows what they are doing to host the miners for you as mentioned on the KNCminer website. the safest option would be call an electrician to install a larger dedicated circuit breaker just for the miners. just like you would when installing a large air-conditioner. in Australia we have 240v 16 Amp circuits as standard wall outlet. I wouldn't put more than 3 on one circuit and probably safer to not go over 2 if other appliances use the same circuit, especially heaters/air-cons basically high wattage appliances. In USA it would be different, but if your outlets are rated at 120v 20 Amp circuits, then 2 Jupiters would be max per circuit and no high wattage appliances on same circuit. The trouble is that the miners are not certified, as they don't need to be when they are shipped without a power supply, but the second you put a power supply in it, the miner does need to be certified! There goes your insurance claim if something goes wrong. I don't think people who are uncomfortable with managing electrical safely should be hosting these devices. Without insurance cover, you need to know what you are doing. |
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July 15, 2013, 08:45:56 PM |
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the safest option would be call an electrician to install a larger dedicated circuit breaker just for the miners.
just like you would when installing a large air-conditioner.
in Australia we have 240v 16 Amp circuits as standard wall outlet. I wouldn't put more than 3 on one circuit and probably safer to not go over 2 if other appliances use the same circuit, especially heaters/air-cons basically high wattage appliances.
In USA it would be different, but if your outlets are rated at 120v 20 Amp circuits, then 2 Jupiters would be max per circuit and no high wattage appliances on same circuit.
Typical American residential circuit shouldn't do much more that 1880 watts, so one miner per circuit. That leaves plenty of margin, but your dreams of stacking these up 10-20 deep like asic block eruptors isn't going to happen. Bummer. /cet |
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July 15, 2013, 08:51:57 PM |
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Typical American residential circuit shouldn't do much more that 1880 watts, so one miner per circuit. That leaves plenty of margin, but your dreams of stacking these up 10-20 deep like asic block eruptors isn't going to happen. Bummer.
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If you have enough money to be stacking these up like block eruptors, you have enough money to add a few breakers to your electrical box...  |
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July 15, 2013, 09:02:42 PM |
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One of my big concerns with the Jupiter is the power consumption. 1000 watts constant usage is okay if your only running one machine, but if you start running 5 or 6 of them then your going to have to look at putting them on different electrical circuits. I'm really hoping that the power requirements are significantly lower than what they've quoted so far.
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5 or six of them? In North America one per circuit will be the limit. Unless you plan on using your dryer outlet, still, that would be a limit of 4. Of course heat is going to be your bigger problem at this point... |
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bitpop
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July 15, 2013, 09:14:59 PM |
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Can someone show me how to use my dryer outlet? I can't find a psu cable.
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Mota
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July 15, 2013, 09:16:37 PM |
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Can someone show me how to use my dryer outlet? I can't find a psu cable.
Is that a joke? If you are not an electrician, don't do that yourself. That is a high voltage output, not something for amateurs to work on... |
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July 15, 2013, 09:20:23 PM |
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Can someone show me how to use my dryer outlet? I can't find a psu cable.
Is that a joke? If you are not an electrician, don't do that yourself. That is a high voltage output, not something for amateurs to work on... Don't do it. It is in fact low voltage (till 1000V AC / 1500V DC) but DON'T DO IT. You'll risk your life if something goes wrong. Or you will do a short, etc.. |
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Mota
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July 15, 2013, 09:23:48 PM |
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Can someone show me how to use my dryer outlet? I can't find a psu cable.
Is that a joke? If you are not an electrician, don't do that yourself. That is a high voltage output, not something for amateurs to work on... Don't do it. It is in fact low voltage (till 1000V AC / 1500V DC) but DON'T DO IT. You'll risk your life if something goes wrong. Or you will do a short, etc.. Okay, it's "Starkstrom", dunno what that is in english  still, call an electrician, it's not that expensive and you live afterwards... |
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July 15, 2013, 09:30:43 PM |
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Can someone show me how to use my dryer outlet? I can't find a psu cable.
Is that a joke? If you are not an electrician, don't do that yourself. That is a high voltage output, not something for amateurs to work on... Don't do it. It is in fact low voltage (till 1000V AC / 1500V DC) but DON'T DO IT. You'll risk your life if something goes wrong. Or you will do a short, etc.. Watch out for sharp knives in the kitchen also ... My favourite questions asked in electrical engineering at university was by a lecturer: "So how many of you have been electrocuted?" (lots of hands went up) "How many of you didn't survive?" |
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July 15, 2013, 09:55:01 PM |
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Damn im going to be sticking these all around the house then. Especially the kitchen, the best amps.
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Mota
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July 15, 2013, 09:57:01 PM |
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Can someone show me how to use my dryer outlet? I can't find a psu cable.
Is that a joke? If you are not an electrician, don't do that yourself. That is a high voltage output, not something for amateurs to work on... Don't do it. It is in fact low voltage (till 1000V AC / 1500V DC) but DON'T DO IT. You'll risk your life if something goes wrong. Or you will do a short, etc.. Watch out for sharp knives in the kitchen also ... My favourite questions asked in electrical engineering at university was by a lecturer: "So how many of you have been electrocuted?" (lots of hands went up) "How many of you didn't survive?" That is the most stupid question ever. Do you know how many people die in Germany alone because of electirc shocks? Germany has a standard voltage of 230V, "Starkstrom" has up to 1000V and is used by a dryer outlet. 600V can effectively reduce the resistance of the skin and increase lethality by a lot. And most people who died did not even have that high voltage... |
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kano
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July 15, 2013, 11:49:32 PM |
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Can someone show me how to use my dryer outlet? I can't find a psu cable.
Is that a joke? If you are not an electrician, don't do that yourself. That is a high voltage output, not something for amateurs to work on... Don't do it. It is in fact low voltage (till 1000V AC / 1500V DC) but DON'T DO IT. You'll risk your life if something goes wrong. Or you will do a short, etc.. Watch out for sharp knives in the kitchen also ... My favourite questions asked in electrical engineering at university was by a lecturer: "So how many of you have been electrocuted?" (lots of hands went up) "How many of you didn't survive?" That is the most stupid question ever. Do you know how many people die in Germany alone because of electirc shocks? Germany has a standard voltage of 230V, "Starkstrom" has up to 1000V and is used by a dryer outlet. 600V can effectively reduce the resistance of the skin and increase lethality by a lot. And most people who died did not even have that high voltage... 240V here in Aus You do of course realise that the higher voltage actually means you are less likely to die from electrocution right? Cos the current is thus lower. It's the current that kills you, not the voltage. ... I also remember my older brother sticking a screw driver in a power point when we were very young ... he's now >50  Yes electricity can kill you, so can a chainsaw, driving on the road, holding your breath under water, catching an aeroplane ... You really think bitpop is a complete idiot? (I don't) Coz that's what's implied by the "DON'T DO IT" silliness. Sounds as silly as a Starbucks hot cup warning ... |
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July 15, 2013, 11:54:17 PM |
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Can someone show me how to use my dryer outlet? I can't find a psu cable.
Is that a joke? If you are not an electrician, don't do that yourself. That is a high voltage output, not something for amateurs to work on... Don't do it. It is in fact low voltage (till 1000V AC / 1500V DC) but DON'T DO IT. You'll risk your life if something goes wrong. Or you will do a short, etc.. most dryer outlets are 240 V. which is ideally what you want. i installed a 240 V receptacle precisely for the avalons and they're running great. |
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