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July 30, 2013, 08:46:11 AM
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Don't panic yet. There's still more than a month to go. When we reach the end of September and they need "two more weeks", that's the point where we can start panicking. Wink
Don't panic yet. There's still more than a month to go. When we reach the end of September and they need "two more weeks", that's the point where we can start panicking. Wink

If they are making a standard cell ASIC and have not yet taped out it's not likely that they will be shipping in September. But who knows, they might have taped out long time ago...
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July 30, 2013, 09:00:39 AM
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Don't panic yet. There's still more than a month to go. When we reach the end of September and they need "two more weeks", that's the point where we can start panicking. Wink
Don't panic yet. There's still more than a month to go. When we reach the end of September and they need "two more weeks", that's the point where we can start panicking. Wink

If they are making a standard cell ASIC and have not yet taped out it's not likely that they will be shipping in September. But who knows, they might have taped out long time ago...

You'd think that they would've made an announcement about something like that.

Anyways I put in for a refund. Haven't heard anything back yet.
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July 30, 2013, 09:16:56 AM
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if no news by end of August most of us will get restless and when September comes with no concrete information some will opt for refund option. Mr.Sam is not involved in engineering or designing why is he not replying to emails and gives us an update? and where is Andreas?
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July 30, 2013, 09:26:00 AM
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Also all these parties have to communicate and work together:

 KnC <-> ORSoC <-> unknown FPGA-ASIC conversion house <-> unknown ASIC vendor

There are so many things which can go wrong when you make an ASIC. Getting it right the first time is hard.

ORSoC is an ASIC design place, and their upstream provider is a company called eASIC, which I think works with TSMC.


Depends how you define "ASIC design place".  ORSoC is more an embedded software, FPGA, and front-end RTL ASIC design house. They are not back-end layout engineers so they will have to get this service elsewhere.

I also thought that eASIC was their vendor, but somebody made a comment and said that they are using a standard cell ASIC, in which they would have to outsource the back-end, layout, place & route work. Which is why I made the figure containing the chain of vendors above.

As I mentioned earlier eASIC devices has FPGA structures (LUT's and routing) and are more similar to FPGA's than ASIC's (cell based), even though they are OTP (one time programmable). However, the turn-around time for eASIC is shorter than cell based ASIC's since you don't have to create all the masks as you do with cell based ASIC's

I agree, ORSoC is only an experienced ASIC front-end design house. There must be a design enablement partner for the 28nm physical implementation.

Besides a structured ASIC service, eASIC has a service called "easycopy". The related design flow looks like a standard cell ASIC flow. So in principle eASIC could be a choice.

But I don't think that they are doing the layout, because it was said at the KnC open day, that the ASIC will be manufactured in Asia.
 
eASIC has 2 foundry partners: GLOBALFOUNDRIES and Fujitsu.

Fujitsu has no own 28nm fab (45nm is the smallest feature size they produce in their own fabs). So the only foundry left would be GF.
BUT GF has only one 28nm fab, which is located in Europe (fab1 in Dresden, Germany). So if they did not change the foundry after the open day, it's most likely not GF and not eASIC.

Anyway, I think it's better that it is not eASIC, because they just about to start to provide 28nm, there are no proven first time right tape-outs. And the other funny point is, that VMC is claiming to go through eASIC too. Could be a small conflict of interests, if the same team implements two miner ASICs at the same time. Wink
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July 30, 2013, 09:29:46 AM
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if no news by end of August most of us will get restless and when September comes with no concrete information some will opt for refund option. Mr.Sam is not involved in engineering or designing why is he not replying to emails and gives us an update? and where is Andreas?
I can answer that in 3 words...
I'll give you a hint... What happens during the month of July in Sweden?


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July 30, 2013, 09:44:49 AM
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if no news by end of August most of us will get restless and when September comes with no concrete information some will opt for refund option. Mr.Sam is not involved in engineering or designing why is he not replying to emails and gives us an update? and where is Andreas?
I can answer that in 3 words...
I'll give you a hint... What happens during the month of July in Sweden?

summer, sex and swimming?
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July 30, 2013, 09:50:04 AM
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if no news by end of August most of us will get restless and when September comes with no concrete information some will opt for refund option. Mr.Sam is not involved in engineering or designing why is he not replying to emails and gives us an update? and where is Andreas?
I can answer that in 3 words...
I'll give you a hint... What happens during the month of July in Sweden?

summer, sex and swimming?
Isn't that a daily activity ?!

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July 30, 2013, 09:52:16 AM
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if no news by end of August most of us will get restless and when September comes with no concrete information some will opt for refund option. Mr.Sam is not involved in engineering or designing why is he not replying to emails and gives us an update? and where is Andreas?
I can answer that in 3 words...
I'll give you a hint... What happens during the month of July in Sweden?

summer, sex and swimming?
Isn't that a daily activity ?!

where? in sweden?

in germany it is: summer, working and working...
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July 30, 2013, 09:52:52 AM
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if no news by end of August most of us will get restless and when September comes with no concrete information some will opt for refund option. Mr.Sam is not involved in engineering or designing why is he not replying to emails and gives us an update? and where is Andreas?
I can answer that in 3 words...
I'll give you a hint... What happens during the month of July in Sweden?

summer, sex and swimming?
Isn't that a daily activity ?!

summer and swimming is seasonal :-)


 
 
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July 30, 2013, 09:57:11 AM
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if no news by end of August most of us will get restless and when September comes with no concrete information some will opt for refund option. Mr.Sam is not involved in engineering or designing why is he not replying to emails and gives us an update? and where is Andreas?
I can answer that in 3 words...
I'll give you a hint... What happens during the month of July in Sweden?

summer, sex and swimming?
Isn't that a daily activity ?!

summer and swimming is seasonal :-)

In the UK we finally have overcast clouds, and rain. For a moment it looked like our typical summer was never going to arrive!!...Tongue

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July 30, 2013, 10:31:15 AM
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In the U.K. you do, up here it's blazing Cheesy
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In the U.K. you do, up here it's blazing Cheesy

Haha, I'm not complaining, it's been an awesome summer, but London's now overcast and wet Sad(

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July 30, 2013, 10:49:02 AM
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In the U.K. you do, up here it's blazing Cheesy

Haha, I'm not complaining, it's been an awesome summer, but London's now overcast and wet Sad(

So there's no truth in the old stereotype that people in the UK always end up talking about the weather then Wink. It's a beautiful day up here too btw, those thunder storms really cleared the air. Could do with a Scandinavian summer break though - why don't we do that here?


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July 30, 2013, 10:53:53 AM
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It's like children in the back seat moaning "Are we there yet?"


At least we got in the car (risking funds while others sit on the sidelines waiting to see what our funding will produce).


I would love to order a KNCminer, but I am waiting until I see working proof from end users who have received their units, just like I did with BFL.  Until actual real world test results come in, you can't plan your rig effectively.
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July 30, 2013, 10:59:41 AM
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In the U.K. you do, up here it's blazing Cheesy

Haha, I'm not complaining, it's been an awesome summer, but London's now overcast and wet Sad(

So there's no truth in the old stereotype that people in the UK always end up talking about the weather then Wink. It's a beautiful day up here too btw, those thunder storms really cleared the air. Could do with a Scandinavian summer break though - why don't we do that here?



Haha, our politicians do! Seriously though KnC are def not on a summer hiatus, Daggeteo asked that when he went to the first open day...

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July 30, 2013, 11:42:14 AM
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Haha, our politicians do! Seriously though KnC are def not on a summer hiatus, Daggeteo asked that when he went to the first open day...

Poor old KnC Cry, maybe they get a double summer break next year when their hard work is done!

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It's like children in the back seat moaning "Are we there yet?"


At least we got in the car (risking funds while others sit on the sidelines waiting to see what our funding will produce).


I would love to order a KNCminer, but I am waiting until I see working proof from end users who have received their units, just like I did with BFL.  Until actual real world test results come in, you can't plan your rig effectively.



 Smiley Nice picture.

But it's more like having many unaware children and some engineers in the back of this KnC bus. The later can read and interpret the ASIC traffic signs, without any further questions. When they see the "Tape-Out"-sign, they know "ok, about 2 more months" till "silicon town"!
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July 30, 2013, 01:41:06 PM
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Hi Guys

We would like to say that. Yes....we did tape-out of the ASIC some time ago. The exact details of the ASIC schedule, volumes, vendor etc. is kept internal since it's very sensitive information towards competitors. The product development tasks are on-track."

We are still on schedule to begin shipping in September.

Thanks
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July 30, 2013, 01:45:57 PM
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Hi Guys

We would like to say that. Yes....we did tape-out of the ASIC some time ago. The exact details of the ASIC schedule, volumes, vendor etc. is kept internal since it's very sensitive information towards competitors. The product development tasks are on-track."

We are still on schedule to begin shipping in September.

Thanks
KnCMiner Team

Excellent news, thanks for the update Smiley
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