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 Not sure what that means... whose is possessive as in "whose car is parked in my driveway?"
Possibly a very deep meaning in that image.


This is what I was alluding to earlier, i.e., it's all fun and games when a shitcoin is delisted, but what are the ramifications if exchanges with enough might collude to delist BTC?
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But the refugees in Europe don't want to work. They are not even allowed to do so for a few first years (in my country at least). They want free money with a living space.

I used to live in Finland in an area where refugees were massively brought in, I'd say around 95% did not work and had no will to do so. They got more from the government than the lower wages were. I can see similar behaviour when travelling to Sweden or Norway for example. Most of them can't and won't integrate. Not ever.

Most of the garbage handlers in those countries are pale white.

As far as I know EU is very selective when they are picking refugees.

I live in the country which sends you those.  Grin (Turkey)

All the dumber ones are here and from what I see, all the doctors and engineers are leaving to the EU.

You have a point though. There are many who don't want to work too.  But hey, be glad you don't live over here. There is worse than bad.

You guys make the best Kebab Cheesy And Turks are a working folk.

Where I see it we only get the dumber ones and all the "doctors and engineers" are just spoken about in the news, never seen a person who has seen or heard about such a person.

I'm not whining about my living situation Cheesy I love where I am and what I earn, but again, I work hard for it. That's why I dislike the "sliders" and the folk who want everything with doing nothing. It has taken a lot of work to get Europe where it is today, outsiders seem to think it just came to be Smiley money doesn't grow on trees.
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April 17, 2019, 08:16:56 PM

How big percentage is the "illegal" mass of the travellers?
When there is no border control, there are no illegal travelers, just legal.

Are they wanted beforehand or do they commit crimes where they see fit?
They commit crimes when necessary.

The people who commit crimes and bring "diversity" are allowed to the (at least in Europe) countries legally. Yeah, I mean the "culturally enrichening" folk.
Yes. Millions of such people have entered to Europe since 2015 through Europe's outer controlled borders, which were not controlled. So Europe broke it's own legislation and sovereignty too.

There are criminals always and everywhere, some are just born with a brain like that. Some don't have empathy and there are always people who want to get by easier.
That is why more criminals are not needed to enter into any country and the border control is the path of the least resistance.

Closing/opening borders doesn't change much in that.
The border control is not a "closed/opened border". It is the border control. Anyone with proper documents are able to go through border.

The world is getting more and more digital every day, soon a person wanted by Iraq will be wanted by Latvia as well, with exchanging information. Oh wait, we do have interpol already?
God bless we have.
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April 17, 2019, 08:18:47 PM

@hueristic I hope your watching this game, just amazing 4 goals in 10 minutes WTF ??

Five in 21 min Huh!!
I hope that it would end here and "robots" are eliminated.

Its just that Debruyne never underestimate Belgian injections Cheesy Grin

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April 17, 2019, 08:25:29 PM

How big percentage is the "illegal" mass of the travellers?
When there is no border control, there are no illegal travelers, just legal.

Are they wanted beforehand or do they commit crimes where they see fit?
They commit crimes when necessary.

The people who commit crimes and bring "diversity" are allowed to the (at least in Europe) countries legally. Yeah, I mean the "culturally enrichening" folk.
Yes. Millions of such people have entered to Europe since 2015 through Europe's outer controlled borders, which were not controlled. So Europe broke it's own legislation and sovereignty too.

There are criminals always and everywhere, some are just born with a brain like that. Some don't have empathy and there are always people who want to get by easier.
That is why more criminals are not needed to enter into any country and the border control is the path of the least resistance.

Closing/opening borders doesn't change much in that.
The border control is not a "closed/opened border". It is the border control. Anyone with proper documents are able to go through border.

The world is getting more and more digital every day, soon a person wanted by Iraq will be wanted by Latvia as well, with exchanging information. Oh wait, we do have interpol already?
God bless we have.


The last argument will make every other meaningless.

Crime has dropped every single year in my country for the past 25 years, we do have open borders. I'd say that has nothing to do with criminal activities.

We have interpol, we have "face-recognition" cameras amongst things we don't know about. Having borders everywhere would just complicate things, think about international transport and trade.

I do agree we must have some lines drawn, as there are places/people who can't integrate and whose cultural behaviour will never meet the standards of others. People are just different. But in EU the Shengen area has made things much easier, not vice versa and like said, I don't know anything about risen criminal activity, please do educate me if you have any information on that.
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April 17, 2019, 08:37:42 PM

This is what I was alluding to earlier, i.e., it's all fun and games when a shitcoin is delisted, but what are the ramifications if exchanges with enough might collude to delist BTC?

No exchange in their right mind would even attempt to delist BTC. Might as well shut down the exchange. (Except, of course, those dex that don't list BTC in the first place but use ETH or EOS as their base pair.)
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April 17, 2019, 08:49:15 PM

Genuine question -

If the value of one bitcoin became astronomically high one day & there was a state  ....
No. Stop right there. One thing or the other.
No more fucking states.
No more slavery.
Bitcoin.


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April 17, 2019, 08:53:47 PM

haha ^  Grin
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https://markets.businessinsider.com/currencies/news/bitcoin-price-may-take-22-years-to-recover-2019-4-1028119753

Interpol, the world's leading police-cooperation body, aims to "connect police for a safer world." Although the organization's constitution states that Interpol cannot engage in "any intervention or activities of a political, military, religious or racial character," it is increasingly being subverted by autocratic regimes seeking to pursue their exiled political opponents. The number of Red Notices (a type of arrest request issued through Interpol) has increased tenfold in the past fifteen years. Those targeted face the risk of arrest if they travel across borders; have difficulties obtaining visas and open bank accounts; and suffer reputational damage. Interpol remains opaque and lacks accountability for its actions. Recent reforms have started to address some of these issues. But more needs to be done to prevent the hijacking, repurposing, and weaponizing of Interpol by today's globalized authoritarian regimes.
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April 17, 2019, 09:02:17 PM

The last argument will make every other meaningless.
Congratulations.

Crime has dropped every single year in my country for the past 25 years, we do have open borders. I'd say that has nothing to do with criminal activities.
You are blessed. We are not so much blessed here. We have open borders too. The criminality has risen since 1995 a lot, and since 2015 like Bitcoin. And that was not surprise for me.

We have interpol, we have "face-recognition" cameras amongst things we don't know about.
Face-recognition cameras all around is one result of the borders without control. And face-recognition is far more Orwellian than the border control on the borders of the country. At least it is for me.

Having borders everywhere would just complicate things, think about international transport and trade.
The border control is not needed "everywhere". The Border control is necessary only on the borders. And like I previously mentioned, if there is no border control on the borders, then the border control will be "everywhere", on schools, restaurants, roads and so on.

International transport and trade is not disturbed by the border control. The transport and trade is done all the day around, all the time over, already. Over the controlled borders, with no problem.

I do agree we must have some lines drawn, as there are places/people who can't integrate and whose cultural behaviour will never meet the standards of others. People are just different. But in EU the Shengen area has made things much easier, not vice versa and like said, I don't know anything about risen criminal activity, please do educate me if you have any information on that.
When the first lines are drawn again on the border, there will be far less cultural behavior like rape, murder, robbery, pedophilia, terrorism and violence inside the controlled borders.

In addition. The prerequisite for functional schengen area would be the border control on the outer borders of schengen, which exists in legally but not practically.
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April 17, 2019, 09:04:18 PM

@hueristic I hope your watching this game, just amazing 4 goals in 10 minutes WTF ??

Five in 21 min Huh!!
I hope that it would end here and "robots" are eliminated.

Its just that Debruyne never underestimate Belgian injections Cheesy Grin

Great player, but he can't help it, 'robots' are out.
Now, hopefully LFC would win against Barcelona, sorry, Messi's fans.
LFC is too dynamic for them.
Could be a UK final, but I rather cheer for Ajax vs Tottenham.
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April 17, 2019, 09:04:26 PM

Meanwhile if you are a street sweeper in China you can get this nifty new watch

https://www.whatsonweibo.com/online-controversy-over-mandatory-gps-tracking-smartwatches-for-chinese-street-cleaners/
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Obviously UBS wants a piece of the action as well
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Last time this cross happened it went to the moon.



On picture you posted it crossed 3 times. June, September and October.  Maybe it did more times  but red line starts from June.  Yes in October when those lines crossed the last time the bull run started.     I believe right now we are in June 2015 and we might get two or more crossing in next months before getting excited.
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I have a question: why it has to happen EXACTLY as the last time?
In short: it doesn't and it won't.
Reason: every bitcoin bull market was different so far.

When I am thinking about btc, one number sticks out:

On average, each earthling can have only $0.00273 BTC (current price $14.26).
If you spend $1426 on btc right now (buying 0.273 BTC) and not buy anymore EVER, you would be a 'guaranteed' 1% (even less in reality due to some having large stashes) among all earthlings (not counting only those with btc).
Granted, you won't be rich right now, but in terms of btc, you would be in 1% class.
A pretty good hedge, if you ask me.

TL;DR Those 0.273 BTC are a pretty good hedge (in case btc would win).
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April 17, 2019, 09:27:45 PM

I have a question: why it has to happen EXACTLY as the last time?
In short: it doesn't and it won't.
Reason: every bitcoin bull market was different so far.

 I think it's because humans tend to compartmentalize everything in order to avoid anxiety.   If it does turn out differently, we have a drawer for that event too Wink
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https://markets.businessinsider.com/currencies/news/bitcoin-price-may-take-22-years-to-recover-2019-4-1028119753

Interpol, the world's leading police-cooperation body, aims to "connect police for a safer world." Although the organization's constitution states that Interpol cannot engage in "any intervention or activities of a political, military, religious or racial character," it is increasingly being subverted by autocratic regimes seeking to pursue their exiled political opponents. The number of Red Notices (a type of arrest request issued through Interpol) has increased tenfold in the past fifteen years. Those targeted face the risk of arrest if they travel across borders; have difficulties obtaining visas and open bank accounts; and suffer reputational damage. Interpol remains opaque and lacks accountability for its actions. Recent reforms have started to address some of these issues. But more needs to be done to prevent the hijacking, repurposing, and weaponizing of Interpol by today's globalized authoritarian regimes.

This is embarrassing.
UBS is a global bank, willing to compete on a planetary scale for financial domination, and all one of his analyst can produce is a really cheap analysis on historical returns of completely unrelated assets on different times?
I am fairly surprised I didn’t read the word “tulips” in this piece.
I want my three minutes back.

Edit: this is embarrassing.
More than one year on the forum and still cannot properly quote the right message.
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^ wrong quote Grin


https://breakermag.com/kchain-science-fiction-premiere-byzantine-empathy/
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haha ^  Grin
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https://markets.businessinsider.com/currencies/news/bitcoin-price-may-take-22-years-to-recover-2019-4-1028119753

Interpol, the world's leading police-cooperation body, aims to "connect police for a safer world." Although the organization's constitution states that Interpol cannot engage in "any intervention or activities of a political, military, religious or racial character," it is increasingly being subverted by autocratic regimes seeking to pursue their exiled political opponents. The number of Red Notices (a type of arrest request issued through Interpol) has increased tenfold in the past fifteen years. Those targeted face the risk of arrest if they travel across borders; have difficulties obtaining visas and open bank accounts; and suffer reputational damage. Interpol remains opaque and lacks accountability for its actions. Recent reforms have started to address some of these issues. But more needs to be done to prevent the hijacking, repurposing, and weaponizing of Interpol by today's globalized authoritarian regimes.

This is embarrassing.
UBS is a global bank, willing to compete on a planetary scale for financial domination, and all one of his analyst can produce is a really cheap analysis on historical returns of completely unrelated assets on different times?
I am fairly surprised I didn’t read the word “tulips” in this piece.
I want my three minutes back.

Edit: this is embarrassing.
More than one year on the forum and still cannot properly quote the right message.

i cant agree more. This article writer fears of losing his job or he thinks his parent company is threatened.

Why isnt he comparing with previous BTC recoveries?

This kind of people makes me sad. Poor soul.
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Any thoughts on HnS here? (forgive me for overdrawing on your graph)



P.S. I'm still overall bearish until we're trading above $6000.


Scary!  Head and shoulder patterns are dead on about 1/3 the time.   The other 2/3rd is when the price action just grinds on or heads up.    Still it is as accurate as other TA or even having a blind monkey throw darts at a chart.
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cheer up it might never happen Cool

Oh you are funny!

lol

another merit but thats the last one for today im warning you.

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This whole thing with Elwar and seasteading has got me sick to my stomach truth be told..quite depressing really. Have to keep the ol chin up however..so on we go.


I alluded to a possible solution a few weeks ago. Unfortunately we are still several decades away from making it a reality.

There will never be freedom from nation states down here at the bottom of a gravity well. By definition you are at the bottom of big hole and its damn hard to climb up out of. While down at the bottom you are subject to all sorts of kinetic activities be it micro or macro in scale.


Getting to the Moon and Mars is going to be fantastic but sustained zero gravity immersion is problematic. Even on Mars where the gravity is 38% the strength of Earths it is unknown what the long term repercussions might be to the human body.

And while rotating space stations are cool and actually possible to build I think the solution is asteroids gentlemen. Yep, you heard me right. Asteroids

Head out to the belt and find a suitable candidate, hollow out a portion and spin yourself up a asteroid.

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So the other elephant in the room.

When does decoupling happen?  How does it happen?  Do we blow upwards and then shake off the fleas..or do we crash downward and let the dross float to the surface.

Deep questions for a moody and philosophical Wednesday.

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