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Question: Dec. 14 Closing Price:
<$6,000 - 10 (10.2%)
$6,000-$6,500 - 5 (5.1%)
$6,500-$7,000 - 11 (11.2%)
$7,000-$7,500 - 16 (16.3%)
$7,500-$8,000 - 19 (19.4%)
$8,000-$8,500 - 12 (12.2%)
$8,500-$9,000 - 5 (5.1%)
>$9,000 - 20 (20.4%)
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October 18, 2019, 05:21:41 PM

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This is the best graph I've ever saw for bitcoin probably. According to this chart there was never a bear market.  Tongue None. I wonder what the next candle will look like. Red? Green? Tall? Short?
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October 18, 2019, 05:21:55 PM

Interesting...Lump sum beats DCA about 68% of the time.

https://shitcoin.ninja/post/2019/10/comparing-bitcoin-investment-strategies/

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We created a simple trial comparing lump sum to the strategy of investing in the same amount monthly over a year, and found that lump sum still won ~67.9% of the time. Even the arbitrarily reduced dataset showed that Lump Sum beats DCA 60.8% of time.

DCA is still way the fuck more practical for the vast majority of peeps.

Most of us already know that a large number of peeps cannot even come up with a few hundred dollars for an emergency.

Therefore it is way the fuck better for them to invest regularly, as if they were buying a coffee or an extra bag of groceries or whatever and then just forget about it for 5 years or more.

Obviously, if someone doesn't have a lump sum, then they cannot invest a lump sum.
They simply analyzed all possible scenarios.
One conclusion could be that in life it is better to have an investable lump sum than DCA as it simply opens up more investing options, clearly.
Heck, one can even borrow such a lump sum-a risky path that I don't condone, but in some situations it works. I used it a few times, more than a decade ago, when market was strong and you only paid 0-2% to borrow. Now cc companies boosted the borrowing % to 4-5% and it does not make sense anymore. Getting personal loans from the bank is possible, but you need to have a cash flow present to justify such loan.
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October 18, 2019, 05:25:39 PM

Poloniex not what it was, but news is it seems it's been sold (and bought) again.  Backing out of US market, but 'dropping spot trading fees to 0%' until EOY...

Bland, upbeat press release FYI:

https://medium.com/circle-trader/poloniex-spins-out-from-circle-with-new-backing-global-focus-5a19357bdaee
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October 18, 2019, 05:27:52 PM
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Just stopping in to say the bitcoin price is shit.

That is all.
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October 18, 2019, 05:28:02 PM

I would love to open a weed shop in Germany when it becomes legal. Maybe even integrate blockchain payment.

What is blockchain payment?  Something new?

I heard it was released in 2008 or something.

You can use it for pizza. Smiley


Something really fishy about this hodling-related item https://imgur.com/gallery/E5Hr3Wo

https://i.imgur.com/oW8orBL.mp4
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October 18, 2019, 05:38:53 PM

Just stopping in to say the bitcoin price is shit.

That is all.

Physical silver barbarian
I dump on JayJuanGees longs
Bitfinex implodes
JayJuanGee's life savings gone

So many physical physical silver bars
Cryptobimbo thinks I'm a movie star
You got 19?
I got that many laying in my yard

Log onto Coinbase
I aint goin for it
Burn in hell with the Jews
Crash your seastead into a walrus
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October 18, 2019, 05:45:33 PM

Poloniex not what it was, but news is it seems it's been sold (and bought) again.  Backing out of US market, but 'dropping spot trading fees to 0%' until EOY...

Bland, upbeat press release FYI:

https://medium.com/circle-trader/poloniex-spins-out-from-circle-with-new-backing-global-focus-5a19357bdaee

Maybe I can get my fucking coins back!

I think they are dumping it to get ahead of the lawsuits.
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October 18, 2019, 05:57:50 PM
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Good afternoon WO!
Observing @ $7,934
Under $8k but it really does not matter.

Just more of ‘filling up the rocket’.

That's what it looks like to me. Bitcoin is the only one with strong support.
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October 18, 2019, 06:00:29 PM

Good afternoon WO!
Observing @ $7,934
Under $8k but it really does not matter.

Just more of ‘filling up the rocket’.

That's what it looks like to me. Bitcoin is the only one with strong support.

And when the truck brakes all the alts go flying off & only bitcoin remains there. Looks about right!
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October 18, 2019, 06:05:42 PM

Good afternoon WO!
Observing @ $7,934
Under $8k but it really does not matter.

Just more of ‘filling up the rocket’.

That's what it looks like to me. Bitcoin is the only one with strong support.

Ummmm... That looks like BTC is one small pothole away from opening the tailgate and depositing everyone on the road.
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October 18, 2019, 06:07:48 PM

Interesting...Lump sum beats DCA about 68% of the time.

https://shitcoin.ninja/post/2019/10/comparing-bitcoin-investment-strategies/

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We created a simple trial comparing lump sum to the strategy of investing in the same amount monthly over a year, and found that lump sum still won ~67.9% of the time. Even the arbitrarily reduced dataset showed that Lump Sum beats DCA 60.8% of time.

DCA is still way the fuck more practical for the vast majority of peeps.

Most of us already know that a large number of peeps cannot even come up with a few hundred dollars for an emergency.

Therefore it is way the fuck better for them to invest regularly, as if they were buying a coffee or an extra bag of groceries or whatever and then just forget about it for 5 years or more.

Obviously, if someone doesn't have a lump sum, then they cannot invest a lump sum.

Well, they could save up until they do have a lump sum, and then end up using that lump sum on something stupid, which is what a vast majority of peeps do if they do not employ some kind of dollar cost averaging into an investment (whether bitcoin or some other investment)... that is part of the reason that so many people (especially americans according to credible statistics) do not have shit.  They both have lack of will power to invest (save) into anything, and the main thing that they have is their house, and they frequently end up borrowing against that too (if they are given that option).


They simply analyzed all possible scenarios.

Of course, and analyzing all scenarios frequently shows that dollar cost averaging is a fucking powerful tool.  Of course, if people run into lump sums or then they should attempt to exercise that option prudently, in the event that is available to them.

My first years in BTC was based on both lump sums and DCA and buying on dips.  But anyhow, if peeps do not have time to figure out what the fuck to do, then they can engage in DCA in the meantime until they figure it out.

Another aspect with DCA, there needs to be a certain amount of conviction to the long term prosperity of the underlying asset, and also accomplished with amounts that are meaningful, which still means that people need to do some work to make sure that their finances are in order and to pay off higher debts first and don't be leveraging or gambling too much, but also putting enough stake in the game that it can make a meaningful difference.

Of course, if person A only had $1k per month of income, which only really results in about $100 that possibly could be invested into bitcoin, then that person might only end up prudently being able to conclude to invest $20 to $50 in bitcoin... that surely is discretionary.  On the other hand, if someone has $6k to $10k a month, then that person should be able to figure out some kind of budgeting arrangement that allows them to invest several hundred, if not the area of thousands per month into bitcoin or whatever other various allocations of investments that the person should be attempting to make... and the more investment that someone has, then the more investment options they have, including lump summing... that might not even be available for so many other normies.. and that is part of the reason that DCA is so powerful for so many people... but they still should be attempting to think about their investment matters somewhat and making sure that their finances are somewhat in order so that they do not have to dig into their BTC investment at some inopportune time... which is also frequently a BIG ask, if people do not make sure that their finances are somewhat in order.

One conclusion could be that in life it is better to have an investable lump sum than DCA as it simply opens up more investing options, clearly.

Of course, if you have options then you have options.  DCA is for the vast majority of peeps, and even those with options should be able to figure out ways to employ DCA to their advantage rather than trying to wait for perfect timing which might cause them to fail to act rather than starting on employing a prudent plan right away, that most likely should involve DCA in order to be prudent.

Heck, one can even borrow such a lump sum-a risky path that I don't condone, but in some situations it works.

Nothing wrong with that if you know how to do it in a way that is not too much gambling.  People can leverage money that is available to them.. that is for sure.   NOT everyone has those tools available to them.

Also, usually it is better to use leverage to engage in investing or business activities, and not in consumption or buying of depreciating assets, which is frequently what a lot of people do.... so for example it might be really stupid to mortgage your house to buy a Mercedes or bmie or Lambo when you really need a Honda, Hyundai, Toyota or Ford, and you could afford a decent utility and practical vehicle that is even a few years old, such as a a Honda, Hyundai, Toyota or Ford, without mortgaging your house.. and you could even buy more bitcoins if you are more prudent with your budget, etc etc.



I used it a few times, more than a decade ago, when market was strong and you only paid 0-2% to borrow.
 

I have used it before too, and it is surely not as easy as pure DCA, but it can be used to supplement DCA and also to ensure that you can pay it back before any penalties kick in... and yes, it can be very profitable tool, if you know how to use it to profit, and if you are able to handle some of the complications of projecting your cashflow in such a way that you are not having an emergency 12 to 24 months when the thing might become due on a balloon basis.

Now cc companies boosted the borrowing % to 4-5% and it does not make sense anymore. Getting personal loans from the bank is possible, but you need to have a cash flow present to justify such loan.

Of course, the terms of even paying a higher percentage can still make some sense depending on  how it is used, but it might not be necessary if you cannot justify the costs of the loan.  Of course, if you ensured to earn more money than the interest and you can handle the complication(s), then it would make sense, and bitcoin would not necessarily be one of those vehicles, but if there are ways to finagle money flows then borrowing some money can supplement other monies that you have and allow you to invest more in BTC (or something else perhaps) than you otherwise would have been able to accomplish in a strict save and wait manner. 

Another good thing about bitcoin that has not really been available to normies and traditional investment has been abilities to invest really small ass amounts and even a few dollars a day or whatever.  Probably a lot of us have known people who have difficulties holding onto any money.  I remember that for several years, I used to sell a product (a combination goods and services) to a guy, and he seemed finicky as fuck when i first met him, but as I got to know him, he pretty much revealed his personality problems to me, and he seemed like the kind of guy who easily got taken advantage of.  He would frequently tell me, when getting an update on his product/services, that he wanted to pay me as soon as possible and while he had the money because otherwise he would spend the money on something else.
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October 18, 2019, 06:26:53 PM

Damn, Bitcoin Needs More Cowbell for Price and Adoption!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVsQLlk-T0s

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October 18, 2019, 07:01:12 PM

What's up WO Bullish speculative masters, missed us? Wanna change your mind about us pumping BTC to +$35,000.00?

(Y) or (N)

Love ya all still the same Tongue

Nobody here is going to be against @35K, so go for it... . No need to ask!  Wink Wink Wink
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What's up WO Bullish speculative masters, missed us? Wanna change your mind about us pumping BTC to +$35,000.00?

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Love ya all still the same Tongue

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October 18, 2019, 07:09:17 PM

What's up WO Bullish speculative masters, missed us? Wanna change your mind about us pumping BTC to +$35,000.00?

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Love ya all still the same Tongue

Nobody here is going to be against @35K, so go for it... . No need to ask!  Wink Wink Wink

Sure brothers right away, but there is a price for that to pay as we talked about it last time Tongue It was alot so we are prepared to come down a little bit so : 1,593.00 ETH for a Global Advertisement Event Cheesy

Remember us : The Cryptonians - Your 16/17 Pumpy master ? We came here a few monts ago for funding but we were attacked verbally online so it was a pain in the ass to actualy achieve something.

It is still a take it or leave it kind of deal ^^



There is no "But" here, in your butt with but! Wink Wink Wink And to me, ETH, go to a pharmacy maybe, very cheap and you can sniff it!  Grin Grin
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October 18, 2019, 07:17:06 PM

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October 18, 2019, 07:21:28 PM

What's up WO Bullish speculative masters, missed us? Wanna change your mind about us pumping BTC to +$35,000.00?

(Y) or (N)

Love ya all still the same Tongue

Nobody here is going to be against @35K, so go for it... . No need to ask!  Wink Wink Wink

Sure brothers right away, but there is a price for that to pay as we talked about it last time Tongue It was alot so we are prepared to come down a little bit so : 1,593.00 ETH for a Global Advertisement Event Cheesy

Remember us : The Cryptonians - Your 16/17 Pumpy master ? We came here a few monts ago for funding but we were attacked verbally online so it was a pain in the ass to actualy achieve something.

It is still a take it or leave it kind of deal ^^



There is no "But" here, in your butt with but! Wink Wink Wink And to me, ETH, go to a pharmacy maybe, very cheap and you can sniff it!  Grin Grin

How no "But", my butt no my but but ok but because no but it can be no butts?! Trust me i am a doctor.. ETHanol can be purchased on Amazon.. Still not Ethereum tho Cheesy Id gladly sniff that :O

Then go make a deal with Bezos, I am sure he is gonna support! Doctor! Grin Grin
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October 18, 2019, 07:32:44 PM

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Oh Jeeeezus...here we go again....
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October 18, 2019, 07:51:39 PM

What's up WO Bullish speculative masters, missed us? Wanna change your mind about us pumping BTC to +$35,000.00?

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Love ya all still the same Tongue



In more simplified "Patience is a virtue",so everyone who has belief on what they are holding being patince then they will make good reap for it.$35K absolutely possible in the next bullish trend.
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October 18, 2019, 08:23:38 PM
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What's up WO Bullish speculative masters, missed us? Wanna change your mind about us pumping BTC to +$35,000.00?

(Y) or (N)

Love ya all still the same Tongue

Nobody here is going to be against @35K, so go for it... . No need to ask!  Wink Wink Wink

Sure brothers right away, but there is a price for that to pay as we talked about it last time Tongue It was alot so we are prepared to come down a little bit so : 1,593.00 ETH for a Global Advertisement Event Cheesy

Remember us : The Cryptonians - Your 16/17 Pumpy master ? We came here a few monts ago for funding but we were attacked verbally online so it was a pain in the ass to actualy achieve something.

It is still a take it or leave it kind of deal ^^

I'm willing to escrow this deal.

Collect 1593 ETH (and I wonder, why not 35 BTC instead). Wait for BTC to hit $35k on named exchange or site (bitstamp? bitcoinaverage?) within specified time frame. Maintain that level for a few days or go even higher. Release ETH to them. Or refund everyone if pump fails.

There's gotta be a time frame.

And oh, maybe add another 5 BTC from yourself to make it total 40 BTC. So if the pump fails, I can at least pay everyone else a little more. (divided among all contributors.)


If all parties accept, I can write up a GPG signed contract later and embed a BTC or ETH address.
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