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[marcus_of_augustus]

I wonder how they got the key if they didn't get it at the time of the bust.

Coindesk article says the BTC was originally stolen from Silk Road by an unnamed hacker who handed over his keys to the authorities on Tuesday (presumably as part of some plea bargain?)

... quite likely the "unnamed hacker" will be one of the many federal agents working undercover on Silk Road who went rogue.

... there was so much malfeasance, agency illegalities and double-crossing going on there that most of the investigation evidence was inadmissible, except the corrupt Judge who was trying Ullbricht never allowed the full story of the rogue agents to see the light of day or the government case would have collapsed

... essentially they've probably just given it time to cool off and then handed the loot over to the biggest crooks in town

[lightfoot]

Need to remind myself, I do not need a Lambo.

[Last of the V8s]

[marcus_of_augustus]

... there's two types of inflation, the usual asset price and product price inflation due to monetary expansion, currency holders grumble but put up with the hidden tax
... and the far more devastating "loss of confidence in the currency" inflation -> hyperinflation, currency holders begin to exit, when holders of the currency begin exiting the remaining holders have to take the hit of all the accumulated inflation that was just dumped by the exiters

as unbelievable as it sounds the US$ is definitely starting to feel some of the effects of the latter. Microstrategy is putting reserves into BTC precisely for these stated reasons, and they are the in the vanguard.

Hyperbitcoinisation is now becoming a distinct possibility.

I am a bit upset that gold is spiking too.
What does this portend to?
I cannot imagine a scenario where gold, stocks and bitcoin go up simultaneously, apart from high inflation.
Yet, with the virus we are clearly in a somewhat deflationary situation right now.
Puzzling, but GO btc!

The monetary base is expanding far beyond GDP usage so we have an economy with inflation likely to register but the actual event is deflationary in value terms.   Then you have case for Bitcoin use itself both as an asset held, transactions globally and speculative trades and all of that is up recently I presume.

Gold is just retracing its previous pricing, it was never going to fall below 1750 from what I could see as its been trading down for most of the last ten years it has entered recovery and is gaining year to year in a way thats seperate to BTC growth.   If gold gains past its prices of September its probably doing something new then.

Inverse to that Dollar index was at a range high its had for months and its now flipped to near to the bottom of that range, nothing new happening there for now.   Its now about mid way in the 2017 Dollar fall peak to trough.

I hope you're right and I'm wrong. I haven't made a huge research about the price. I just don't want to happen what happened back in 2017. Try convincing people to believe in bitcoin after that.

2017 was substantially different to whats occuring now, we're a different place in the election cycle and lots of other reasons developing far beyond just repetition. “The past does not repeat itself, but it rhymes.”

[Torque]

I wonder how this will effect the BTC market when the USA dumps 'One Billion Dollars' or more of Bitcoins in a USA Sheriff's Auction of illegal goods...ie Bitcoin siezed?

I'd guess the price would probably go up...I mean, the above BTC hoard would likely be split up in lots and heavy hitters then could buy a mess of BTC at a set price, in mass,

without driving the rest of their attempts to fill their bags with Bitcoin. Thus, IMHO, price would remain the same in market or go up?

I'd expect all such from the auction no matter how many participated would likely be in HODL mode myself..such a buy would not be a 'short-term' deal, IMHO.

Anyway, I know 'zip' ....damn interesting however!

Bitcoin: Always Drama!

Brad

Note that in all the past U.S. Marshal auctions of bitcoin, there was some effort to drive the price of BTC higher just prior to the day of the auction. Presumably by whales that didn't want to see these coins dumped on market. Price would fall a little after the auction was over.

[DaRude]

Breaking: U.S. Justice Department confiscates over $1 billion in Bitcoin tied to Silk Road

https://www.fxstreet.com/cryptocurrencies/news/breaking-us-justice-department-confiscates-over-1-billion-in-bitcoin-tied-to-silk-road-202011051731

After all the speculation, finally we know where the coins were moved. To the Justice Department's wallet.

I wonder how they got the key if they didn't get it at the time of the bust.

These coins were apparently stolen from Silk Road while it was still in operation. The Feds didn't have access to them until two days ago, when they struck some sort of deal with the guy that stole them in the first place.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/press-release/file/1334771/download

On approximately April 9, 2013, the Bitcoin addresses that received the 70,411.46 Bitcoin from Silk Road sent 69,471.082201 (approximately $14 million at the time of transfer) to 1HQ3Go3ggs8pFnXuHVHRytPCq5fGG8Hbhx (hereafter “1HQ3”). Expecting more gov auctions in the future, only now big boys can pile on and overbid on fed cleaned coins.

(...)

Individual X, whose identity is known to the government, was determined to have been involved in a transaction that related to 1HQ3.

According to an investigation conducted by the Criminal Investigation Division of the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Northern District of California, Individual X was the individual who moved the cryptocurrency from Silk Road. According to the investigation, Individual X was able to hack into Silk Road and gain unauthorized and illegal access to Silk Road and thereby steal the illicit cryptocurrency from Silk Road and move it into wallets that Individual X controlled. According to the investigation, Ulbricht became aware of Individual X’s online identity and threatened Individual X for return of the cryptocurrency to Ulbricht. Individual X did not return the cryptocurrency but kept it and did not spend it.

On November 3, 2020, Individual X signed a Consent and Agreement to Forfeiture with the U.S. Attorney’s Office, Northern District of California. In that agreement, Individual X, consented to the forfeiture of the Defendant Property to the United States government.

On November 3, 2020, the United States took custody of the Defendant Property from 1HQ3.

Imagine having access to 70k btc all these years, knowing your identity is known.

Thnx for the source, good info. Also,

On approximately April 23, 2015, 1HQ3 sent 101 Bitcoin (approximately $23,700) to BTC-e

guessing that's how they linked his "online identity" to real. Ulbricht should write a book, if he's allowed to.

[Elwar]

Expect military trucks to drive into the justice department shortly before Trump leaves office.

Expect Trump to walk away a very rich man.

[fillippone]

Square realesing their financial statements.

TL,DR: they bought a insane quantity of corn during last Quarter:



A few thoughts and details on my post here

[savetherainforest]

AHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA... !!!

BEST !!! BEASTTT!!! LOL... +Merit


Also... we should have more wacky voting prices... I would have prefered $15300 < > 16200$ for Nov 7.   

[gembitz]

100k here we gogogogogoo    this is gentlemen<<<

[Biodom]

Expect military trucks to drive into the justice department shortly before Trump leaves office.

Expect Trump to walk away a very rich man.

The strangest prediction.

I have a better one:
1. with Senate ostensibly remaining republican (most likely) and Supreme court decidedly conservative, republican "masses" won't care too much and WS is ecstatic (no new taxes, etc.).
2. Trump might try a comeback in 2024. It worked out for Grover Cleveland, so there is a precedent.

[Last of the V8s]

well at this stage that place is just insulting to bananas

[Biodom]

well at this stage that place is just insulting to bananas

stop saying that word, I am getting triggered  

[bitcoinPsycho]

Level up

[hossamdz]

@Toxic: what's in the box?

pain...for fiat hodlers

#dyor

Volume is not the as in the past but i think we dont need lot of volume as longs as there is FOMO 

[gembitz]

sell farm > buy bitcrons \_$>$_/ weeee

[UnDerDoG81]

Hello Morons who sold at 15k  See you at 16k soon

[BobLawblaw]

You've picked some good times to sell in the past.  This worries me slightly.  That said, I am not letting go of shit.  Might if I was more loaded though.

Just because I have my finger on the metaphorical trigger, doesn't mean I don't have incredible trigger-discipline.

I couldn't decide what to do earlier, so I decided my best course of action was to take a nap. Rick lamented "What if it hits $15.5k USD/BTC ?" to which I responded, "I'm sure you'll wake me up to let me know..."

Anyway, was thinking about putting in a sell order @ $15.5k USD/BTC, but more inclined to let it ride this momentum.

Don't want to sound crass, but I'm loaded enough on BTC that I feel pretty good about letting go of a batch around here. Will make life less stressful for both Rick and myself, ultimately, and that's an important motivation for me, at this stage in our lives.

[marcus_of_augustus]

Drugs Win the 2020 Election

... I guess Ulbricht was just ahead of his time? ... lock him in max. security prison for the rest of his life and let the corrupt federal agents escape with the btc

[ivomm]

3 more days like this and we will have a new ATH.