Liquid Synergy Designs Inc. -ASIC mining hardware

[docjunior]

Seriously; why is anyone still using Eclipse after seeing how Inaba/BFL Josh has treated the BTC community..?

I recommend Bitminter og Eligius. Great pools with good and friendly support!

[chadtn]

Seriously; why is anyone still using Eclipse after seeing how Inaba/BFL Josh has treated the BTC community..?

I recommend Bitminter og Eligius. Great pools with good and friendly support!

Doesn't some of the hardware or software ship with the Eclipse info entered by default?  Some people probably just buy the stuff, turn it on, and never change anything.  heh..

Chad

[ScaryHash]

If I get the units shipped in their current state, that means
1.  No chaining units. I2C not working.  So, can I use a USB hub and just plug every unit in via usb and that works fine?

2.  No bootloader.   So that means that I cannot easily download new firmware, I have to use a special pickit controller?  So, say a firmware with a bootloader got created, I would have to solder a header onto the board for a PICkit controller, then use the controller to download the firmware to each board?

I'm fact checking here.  Anyone who can verify, please go for it.

To your first point: Correct,no chaining as of now,& yes a hub works just fine  

Second point:You'll need a Pickit3,its the red one,no soldering,the "pads" on are back by the USB port.You will need a POGO adapter.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR3.TRC1.A0&_nkw=PICkit+3&_sacat=0&_from=R40

Edit:All info should be here:

http://projectklondike.org/how-to-program

Ok, I  just ordered one of these. Not clear if it comes with the so called POGO adapter (it looks like it might...?? maybe??). Need confirmation on this.

So, if I sent an e-mail to Steamboat, will the K16s come blank so I would have to flash them? I paid for the complete assembly and testing and the deluxe kit thing...

I'd really like to have these hashing, it's been such a dream for so long, I think I'm still hallucinating...

[logicbomb666]

So, if I sent an e-mail to Steamboat, will the K16s come blank so I would have to flash them? I paid for the complete assembly and testing and the deluxe kit thing...

I'd really like to have these hashing, it's been such a dream for so long, I think I'm still hallucinating...

I received my units as is and they are able to mine perfectly fine out of the box.

[Unacceptable]

If I get the units shipped in their current state, that means
1.  No chaining units. I2C not working.  So, can I use a USB hub and just plug every unit in via usb and that works fine?

2.  No bootloader.   So that means that I cannot easily download new firmware, I have to use a special pickit controller?  So, say a firmware with a bootloader got created, I would have to solder a header onto the board for a PICkit controller, then use the controller to download the firmware to each board?

I'm fact checking here.  Anyone who can verify, please go for it.

To your first point: Correct,no chaining as of now,& yes a hub works just fine  

Second point:You'll need a Pickit3,its the red one,no soldering,the "pads" on are back by the USB port.You will need a POGO adapter.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR3.TRC1.A0&_nkw=PICkit+3&_sacat=0&_from=R40

Edit:All info should be here:

http://projectklondike.org/how-to-program

Ok, I  just ordered one of these. Not clear if it comes with the so called POGO adapter (it looks like it might...?? maybe??). Need confirmation on this.

So, if I sent an e-mail to Steamboat, will the K16s come blank so I would have to flash them? I paid for the complete assembly and testing and the deluxe kit thing...

I'd really like to have these hashing, it's been such a dream for so long, I think I'm still hallucinating...

You won't need to flash the units,unless your a tinkerer & want to upload future updated firmware    You'll be good to go when you get them 

As of now they mine just fine 

[bigtimespaghetti]

Received my tracking, kind of excited. Don't know why, they're pretty useless now.

I guess I'll keep one or two as a reminder about preordering anything LOL.

[nightengale]

Assembly refunds:
 
Many of you are still waiting for information regarding the assembly refund process. We understand the wait is aggravating, and appreciate your patience in this matter. Our resources are finite, and the work load for this project has increased substantially due to reasons outside our control. We will be publishing more information when we are able, and can assure you the solution will be as fair as possible. You will not be punished for our lack of timely response in this matter.

Effectively, we will, because the price of BTC keeps going up and we paid in dollars. So even if we wanted to just reinvest in BTC, we're losing money.

Too busy, seriously SB...?

"Ummm, yah, remember all that money you guys gave me to finance this project? Yah, I'm too busy to look into refunds for products and services that you're not receiving. Ya'll can just wait until we get around to it, so in the meantime, f--k off."

Your words are saying one thing, and your actions are saying something completely different.

[professorY]

Assembly refunds:
 
Many of you are still waiting for information regarding the assembly refund process. We understand the wait is aggravating, and appreciate your patience in this matter. Our resources are finite, and the work load for this project has increased substantially due to reasons outside our control. We will be publishing more information when we are able, and can assure you the solution will be as fair as possible. You will not be punished for our lack of timely response in this matter.

Effectively, we will, because the price of BTC keeps going up and we paid in dollars. So even if we wanted to just reinvest in BTC, we're losing money.

We paid in BTC, not dollars. So we should actually get more back than we paid, in theory.

[cp1]

We paid in BTC, not dollars. So we should actually get more back than we paid, in theory.

Only the chips were in BTC, the assembly was converted to dollars.  So we'll get much less back than we put in.

[professorY]

Only the chips were in BTC, the assembly was converted to dollars.  So we'll get much less back than we put in.

It was? I was sure I paid in BTC for everything. But it's been a while so I might be wrong.

[cp1]

It was? I was sure I paid in BTC for everything. But it's been a while so I might be wrong.

Yes you paid in BTC, but it was priced in dollars.

[Rakessh]

It was? I was sure I paid in BTC for everything. But it's been a while so I might be wrong.

Yes you paid in BTC, but it was priced in dollars.

Paying in dollars was not an option, and last year btc was priced in dollars, as it is today. So that has absolutely nothing to do with it.
We all paid for the whole thing in BTC only. Where you got that BTC to begin with is another story.

[professorY]

It was? I was sure I paid in BTC for everything. But it's been a while so I might be wrong.

Yes you paid in BTC, but it was priced in dollars.

Paying in dollars was not an option, and last year btc was priced in dollars, as it is today. So that has absolutely nothing to do with it.
We all paid for the whole thing in BTC only. Where you got that BTC to begin with is another story.

Exactly.

I don't recall the exact numbers, but let's say that assembly was $50, denominated in BTC at the time (let's say it was $100/BTC for the sake of argument) = 0.5 BTC

If we got that 0.5 BTC back, that's now worth ~$110 so we get back more in $ than we paid.

[nightengale]

I don't remember what the value was exactly, but say you paid $130 for everything and BTC was $100 at the time, you paid 1.3 BTC, right? Now that BTC is $220, you can expect 0.59 BTC back for your $130.

In BTC, that is what is called losing value.

[Rakessh]

I just hope to god SB tax declared it as valueless, or very low value, similar to the refund value or something... (ie paperweight of educational value only) or I have to pay another 200 bucks in VAT on import... that's gonna suck balls... I may consider just refusing to collect the shipment and let it return to Steamboat if that is the case...

It arrives tomorrow, so we'll see...

[professorY]

I don't remember what the value was exactly, but say you paid $130 for everything and BTC was $100 at the time, you paid 1.3 BTC, right? Now that BTC is $220, you can expect 0.59 BTC back for your $130.

In BTC, that is what is called losing value.

True. I supposed the prices were denominated in $.

I'm just hoping SB saying "You will not be punished for our lack of timely response in this matter" is accurate.

[nightengale]

I don't remember what the value was exactly, but say you paid $130 for everything and BTC was $100 at the time, you paid 1.3 BTC, right? Now that BTC is $220, you can expect 0.59 BTC back for your $130.

In BTC, that is what is called losing value.

True. I supposed the prices were denominated in $.

I'm just hoping SB saying "You will not be punished for our lack of timely response in this matter" is accurate.

I can agree with you there.

[Galli]

I don't remember what the value was exactly, but say you paid $130 for everything and BTC was $100 at the time, you paid 1.3 BTC, right? Now that BTC is $220, you can expect 0.59 BTC back for your $130.

In BTC, that is what is called losing value.

I am hoping it falls somewhere in between, not exactly full refund in BTCs, but more than we paid in terms of dollars.

I suspect SB and Co made margin on the equipment purchases that they kept in the form of BTCs from our  payment.  To refund us in $ face values of the equipment they purchased without compensation for holding the margin (in BTCs) at current market valuation wouldn't be the best business practice.  We should share in that risk factor IMO and I hope that's part of the reason why it's taking a long time for them to refund us. Assuming they made 10% on the assembly/hosting fees, then they're looking at .1 BTC per $100 of customer spend (assuming my memory of BTC conversion is accurate at the time of the assembly/hosting payment deadline)

In today's BTCs, that's a $13, or 130%, appreciation per $100 of customer spend in 4-months without supplying a hosted product.  More than enough to refund all of the customers who never received assembly/hosting and 3% remaining to keep for themselves as a handling "fee"

[cardcomm]

To me it doesn't matter if the purchase was denominated in Turkey Feathers. I paid in BTC, therefore I expect to be refunded in BTC.

The way I remember paying for assembly was this: We were given less then 1 week to procure BTC for assembly. I bought at what was then a high price, and paid a premium for the service to get BTC in time to order. THEN SB extended the payment deadline. So yeah, I paid in BTC. Hard gotten BTC at that.

Everyone here knows the price of BTC is volatile. That's one reason I've been so anxious to get refunded. I've expected all along to get refunded in THE SAME CURRENCY I PAID.

If SB wanted to avoid getting screwed on the exchange rate on the refunds, maybe he should have issued them when BTC were still closer to $140. U.S.

For me the unequivocal bottom line for BTC transactions that they are just that - BTC transactions. You can't come back later and say sorry, those prices were USD, we just HAPPENED to collect them as BTC!

(Yes, if BTC prices drop like a rock, I'll STILL feel the same. Believe me, it's happened before.)

BTW that wording about not being punished is kinda funny cuz it sorta feels like I'm already being punished...

[Rakessh]

Yeah, I agree, so now that we've gotten the chips, and refunded the other chips and stuff and we're finished with yifu, how bout we go beat that dog (yifu) to a pulp?  I mean, with lawyers and law in hand etc etc...  

He should be held responsible in some way