Bitmain looks like they're releasing a 15GH/s DASH miner called the AntMiner D3

[Dopert]

IMHO, if you're a business and buy the miners, you write them as expense as you would do with any other expense you have for running business.
If you're a private person, you can't do the same.
Now, reasoning on the earnings and relating taxes, you're not strictly producing money, because crypto has no money status. At max, you're producing goods like you would with any other type of manufacturing. You owe taxes only when you sell the goods and transform them into money. As a business, you'd owe taxes on the excess of earnings on top of your expenses. As a private person, you owe taxes on top of everything, and cannot deduct the expenses.
You can't be taxed for holding crypto in a wallet, the same way you're not taxed for holding stock. It's only when you sell stock and only on your net gains.

You mean private person net gains are income taxs? I think this will be the case in the further. Still no law, so i will tax it as on top of everything (box 3 that is 1,2%). Belastingdienst must be happy this way. Because they already taxed the miner with btw (inc. transfercost) and a hole lot of energy tax what is super high here.

Earlier i also discust tax issua with albrostz about Giga Watt tokens, that is also not the way, because you own the miner. So best way for me is Genesis cloud ming then. Belastingdienst see this as a investment contract, like a capital insurrence (levenpolis / kapitaalverzekering).

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[Dopert]

Yes it is.. Sometimes seller sells bad batch (let say it can only run 14ghs) but they overclock it to 15ghs+ WHILE it will void its warranty.. What I want to know is 487 the default speed ?

Chip series for the miner. Example antminer S9 using BM1387 but I cant find D3 chip everywhere.. Any info anyone ?

Thanks mate..

BM 1760b (Btw. Untill now most miners have default of 17ghs)

https://mineshop.eu/dash-coin-miners/antminer-d3-detail

[Bibi187]

So far comparison between Granatgas and Zpool

Miner started mining same time and disconnect same time, exept if pool get down.

ZPOOL

http://www.zpool.ca/?address=XhxVMxLxkDE9jUKvWET2Gfj2cqNS2ip2BQ

   Balance      0.00130587 DASH
   Total Unpaid ****      0.01603972 DASH
   Total Paid ***      0.15411574 DASH
   Total Earned      0.17015546 DASH

GRANATGAS

https://granatgas-pool.info/?address=XhxVMxLxkDE9jUKvWET2Gfj2cqNS2ip2BQ

   Dash
(Pending Balance)   0.01678124   0.00682843      0.02360967 DASH
   Balance      0.00992471 DASH
   Total Paid      0.24489655 DASH


I will run this for some more day but obviously Zpool have something wrong ... Plus Zpool supposed to take less fee ...

Conclusion for moment dont use Zpool anymore oO

[bytiges]

You mean private person net gains are income taxs? I think this will be the case in the further. Still no law, so i will tax it as on top of everything (box 3 that is 1,2%). Belastingdienst must be happy this way. Because they already taxed the miner with btw (inc. transfercost) and a hole lot of energy tax what is super high here.

Earlier i also discust tax issua with albrostz about Giga Watt tokens, that is also not the way, because you own the miner. So best way for me is Genesis cloud ming then. Belastingdienst see this as a investment contract, like a capital insurrence (levenpolis / kapitaalverzekering).

I'm not sure about Dutch law, but I'm quite sure any gains, even private person, is taxable. Except as private person you're not allowed to deduct expenses.

If you buy a House and resell it for a profit, you owe taxes on the sale. Crypto is not regulated but if it's relevant part of your income, I bet somebody will ask for taxes.

The point I was making is that you're only taxed when you convert crypto to real money (i.e. when you sell). Until then you can hold it tax-free because it's not money (yet).

[kiiirazz]

is it still worth buying? Considering that would be shipped on november.

[anupans]

So far comparison between Granatgas and Zpool

Miner started mining same time and disconnect same time, exept if pool get down.

ZPOOL

http://www.zpool.ca/?address=XhxVMxLxkDE9jUKvWET2Gfj2cqNS2ip2BQ

   Balance      0.00130587 DASH
   Total Unpaid ****      0.01603972 DASH
   Total Paid ***      0.15411574 DASH
   Total Earned      0.17015546 DASH

GRANATGAS

https://granatgas-pool.info/?address=XhxVMxLxkDE9jUKvWET2Gfj2cqNS2ip2BQ

   Dash
(Pending Balance)   0.01678124   0.00682843      0.02360967 DASH
   Balance      0.00992471 DASH
   Total Paid      0.24489655 DASH


I will run this for some more day but obviously Zpool have something wrong ... Plus Zpool supposed to take less fee ...

Conclusion for moment dont use Zpool anymore oO

What's about NH. Is that better than Granat or not ?

BTW it will be half when october batch hit a buyer.  

[dragon_l]

hashrate increase so fast

[Chan8]

So far comparison between Granatgas and Zpool

Miner started mining same time and disconnect same time, exept if pool get down.

ZPOOL

http://www.zpool.ca/?address=XhxVMxLxkDE9jUKvWET2Gfj2cqNS2ip2BQ

   Balance      0.00130587 DASH
   Total Unpaid ****      0.01603972 DASH
   Total Paid ***      0.15411574 DASH
   Total Earned      0.17015546 DASH

GRANATGAS

https://granatgas-pool.info/?address=XhxVMxLxkDE9jUKvWET2Gfj2cqNS2ip2BQ

   Dash
(Pending Balance)   0.01678124   0.00682843      0.02360967 DASH
   Balance      0.00992471 DASH
   Total Paid      0.24489655 DASH


I will run this for some more day but obviously Zpool have something wrong ... Plus Zpool supposed to take less fee ...

Conclusion for moment dont use Zpool anymore oO

What's about NH. Is that better than Granat or not ?

BTW it will be half when october batch hit a buyer.  

What are the payout schemes of these mining pools? By comparing a few hrs of mining on these pools and  not clarifying the payout scheme of each pool.

Am i missing something?

[BenRickert]

So far comparison between Granatgas and Zpool

Miner started mining same time and disconnect same time, exept if pool get down.

ZPOOL

http://www.zpool.ca/?address=XhxVMxLxkDE9jUKvWET2Gfj2cqNS2ip2BQ

   Balance      0.00130587 DASH
   Total Unpaid ****      0.01603972 DASH
   Total Paid ***      0.15411574 DASH
   Total Earned      0.17015546 DASH

GRANATGAS

https://granatgas-pool.info/?address=XhxVMxLxkDE9jUKvWET2Gfj2cqNS2ip2BQ

   Dash
(Pending Balance)   0.01678124   0.00682843      0.02360967 DASH
   Balance      0.00992471 DASH
   Total Paid      0.24489655 DASH


I will run this for some more day but obviously Zpool have something wrong ... Plus Zpool supposed to take less fee ...

Conclusion for moment dont use Zpool anymore oO

What's about NH. Is that better than Granat or not ?

BTW it will be half when october batch hit a buyer.  

What are the payout schemes of these mining pools? By comparing a few hrs of mining on these pools and  not clarifying the payout scheme of each pool.

Am i missing something?

You have to use at least 24 hours of time if your going to make samplings of performance. Especially with switching pools. There are many times intermittently where your server may be idle between coins and or having shares rejected on low Diff coins. Having said that, there seems to be ample opportunity for "shenanigans" within the switching pools.

[VoskCoin]

So far comparison between Granatgas and Zpool

Miner started mining same time and disconnect same time, exept if pool get down.

ZPOOL

http://www.zpool.ca/?address=XhxVMxLxkDE9jUKvWET2Gfj2cqNS2ip2BQ

   Balance      0.00130587 DASH
   Total Unpaid ****      0.01603972 DASH
   Total Paid ***      0.15411574 DASH
   Total Earned      0.17015546 DASH

GRANATGAS

https://granatgas-pool.info/?address=XhxVMxLxkDE9jUKvWET2Gfj2cqNS2ip2BQ

   Dash
(Pending Balance)   0.01678124   0.00682843      0.02360967 DASH
   Balance      0.00992471 DASH
   Total Paid      0.24489655 DASH


I will run this for some more day but obviously Zpool have something wrong ... Plus Zpool supposed to take less fee ...

Conclusion for moment dont use Zpool anymore oO

https://youtu.be/NNBZzuBcfMk

I had pretty similar findings with my antminer d3

zpool.ca


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granatgas



+ also does anyone have a d3 sitting on nicehash I could watch if you dont want to post the link here then PM?

[zamans98]

So far comparison between Granatgas and Zpool

Miner started mining same time and disconnect same time, exept if pool get down.

ZPOOL

http://www.zpool.ca/?address=XhxVMxLxkDE9jUKvWET2Gfj2cqNS2ip2BQ

   Balance      0.00130587 DASH
   Total Unpaid ****      0.01603972 DASH
   Total Paid ***      0.15411574 DASH
   Total Earned      0.17015546 DASH

GRANATGAS

https://granatgas-pool.info/?address=XhxVMxLxkDE9jUKvWET2Gfj2cqNS2ip2BQ

   Dash
(Pending Balance)   0.01678124   0.00682843      0.02360967 DASH
   Balance      0.00992471 DASH
   Total Paid      0.24489655 DASH


I will run this for some more day but obviously Zpool have something wrong ... Plus Zpool supposed to take less fee ...

Conclusion for moment dont use Zpool anymore oO

https://youtu.be/NNBZzuBcfMk

I had pretty similar findings with my antminer d3

zpool.ca


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granatgas



+ also does anyone have a d3 sitting on nicehash I could watch if you dont want to post the link here then PM?

Dude, how that is similar vs of Bibi187???
Zpool.ca $0.082
G'gas  $0.081
Your case, zpool.ca is higher no?

[VoskCoin]

So far comparison between Granatgas and Zpool

Miner started mining same time and disconnect same time, exept if pool get down.

ZPOOL

http://www.zpool.ca/?address=XhxVMxLxkDE9jUKvWET2Gfj2cqNS2ip2BQ

   Balance      0.00130587 DASH
   Total Unpaid ****      0.01603972 DASH
   Total Paid ***      0.15411574 DASH
   Total Earned      0.17015546 DASH

GRANATGAS

https://granatgas-pool.info/?address=XhxVMxLxkDE9jUKvWET2Gfj2cqNS2ip2BQ

   Dash
(Pending Balance)   0.01678124   0.00682843      0.02360967 DASH
   Balance      0.00992471 DASH
   Total Paid      0.24489655 DASH


I will run this for some more day but obviously Zpool have something wrong ... Plus Zpool supposed to take less fee ...

Conclusion for moment dont use Zpool anymore oO

https://youtu.be/NNBZzuBcfMk

I had pretty similar findings with my antminer d3

zpool.ca


///

granatgas



+ also does anyone have a d3 sitting on nicehash I could watch if you dont want to post the link here then PM?

Dude, how that is similar vs of Bibi187???
Zpool.ca $0.082
G'gas  $0.081
Your case, zpool.ca is higher no?

The earnings charts are a bit confusing to compare but granatgas is ~22% higher earnings
http://voskcoin.com/14-day-update-future-d3/

It's broken down more clearly in this post

[zamans98]

So far comparison between Granatgas and Zpool

Miner started mining same time and disconnect same time, exept if pool get down.

ZPOOL

http://www.zpool.ca/?address=XhxVMxLxkDE9jUKvWET2Gfj2cqNS2ip2BQ

   Balance      0.00130587 DASH
   Total Unpaid ****      0.01603972 DASH
   Total Paid ***      0.15411574 DASH
   Total Earned      0.17015546 DASH

GRANATGAS

https://granatgas-pool.info/?address=XhxVMxLxkDE9jUKvWET2Gfj2cqNS2ip2BQ

   Dash
(Pending Balance)   0.01678124   0.00682843      0.02360967 DASH
   Balance      0.00992471 DASH
   Total Paid      0.24489655 DASH


I will run this for some more day but obviously Zpool have something wrong ... Plus Zpool supposed to take less fee ...

Conclusion for moment dont use Zpool anymore oO

https://youtu.be/NNBZzuBcfMk

I had pretty similar findings with my antminer d3

zpool.ca


///

granatgas



+ also does anyone have a d3 sitting on nicehash I could watch if you dont want to post the link here then PM?

Dude, how that is similar vs of Bibi187???
Zpool.ca $0.082
G'gas  $0.081
Your case, zpool.ca is higher no?

The earnings charts are a bit confusing to compare but granatgas is ~22% higher earnings
http://voskcoin.com/14-day-update-future-d3/

It's broken down more clearly in this post

okay, now its clear.
i believe its better to use freshly baked wallet... as to compare 2 sets of data

[VoskCoin]

So far comparison between Granatgas and Zpool

Miner started mining same time and disconnect same time, exept if pool get down.

ZPOOL

http://www.zpool.ca/?address=XhxVMxLxkDE9jUKvWET2Gfj2cqNS2ip2BQ

   Balance      0.00130587 DASH
   Total Unpaid ****      0.01603972 DASH
   Total Paid ***      0.15411574 DASH
   Total Earned      0.17015546 DASH

GRANATGAS

https://granatgas-pool.info/?address=XhxVMxLxkDE9jUKvWET2Gfj2cqNS2ip2BQ

   Dash
(Pending Balance)   0.01678124   0.00682843      0.02360967 DASH
   Balance      0.00992471 DASH
   Total Paid      0.24489655 DASH


I will run this for some more day but obviously Zpool have something wrong ... Plus Zpool supposed to take less fee ...

Conclusion for moment dont use Zpool anymore oO

https://youtu.be/NNBZzuBcfMk

I had pretty similar findings with my antminer d3

zpool.ca


///

granatgas



+ also does anyone have a d3 sitting on nicehash I could watch if you dont want to post the link here then PM?

Dude, how that is similar vs of Bibi187???
Zpool.ca $0.082
G'gas  $0.081
Your case, zpool.ca is higher no?

The earnings charts are a bit confusing to compare but granatgas is ~22% higher earnings
http://voskcoin.com/14-day-update-future-d3/

It's broken down more clearly in this post

okay, now its clear.
i believe its better to use freshly baked wallet... as to compare 2 sets of data

I certainly agree, unfortunately I don't have a good wallet setup to do that with Dash -- I always use fresh wallets with my zencash comparisons

[Maicol792]

i'm thinking if exist any firmware modded of bitmain d3 .... and d3 can mine other algo?? what do you think?? 

[Mr_Snipes]

i'm thinking if exist any firmware modded of bitmain d3 .... and d3 can mine other algo?? what do you think?? 

an asic is not a fpga - it's a hardwired one-trick pony

[thiec]

i'm thinking if exist any firmware modded of bitmain d3 .... and d3 can mine other algo?? what do you think?? 

People think is easy to change "the firmware" or "software", its not about firmware, its the inside code of each chip and its cannot be changed without proper equipment and research.

[leowonderful]

i'm thinking if exist any firmware modded of bitmain d3 .... and d3 can mine other algo?? what do you think??  

Firmware modifications wouldn't do anything like algo change because the ASIC is solely designed to hash X11. It can do some other things, though, like possibly an expanded GUI and some more fun or tweaking related features(as seen on some custom Antminer firmwares). None on the D3 afaik.

[lashatatu]

So far comparison between Granatgas and Zpool

Miner started mining same time and disconnect same time, exept if pool get down.

ZPOOL

http://www.zpool.ca/?address=XhxVMxLxkDE9jUKvWET2Gfj2cqNS2ip2BQ

   Balance      0.00130587 DASH
   Total Unpaid ****      0.01603972 DASH
   Total Paid ***      0.15411574 DASH
   Total Earned      0.17015546 DASH

GRANATGAS

https://granatgas-pool.info/?address=XhxVMxLxkDE9jUKvWET2Gfj2cqNS2ip2BQ

   Dash
(Pending Balance)   0.01678124   0.00682843      0.02360967 DASH
   Balance      0.00992471 DASH
   Total Paid      0.24489655 DASH


I will run this for some more day but obviously Zpool have something wrong ... Plus Zpool supposed to take less fee ...

Conclusion for moment dont use Zpool anymore oO

https://youtu.be/NNBZzuBcfMk

I had pretty similar findings with my antminer d3

zpool.ca


///

granatgas



+ also does anyone have a d3 sitting on nicehash I could watch if you dont want to post the link here then PM?

Dude, how that is similar vs of Bibi187???
Zpool.ca $0.082
G'gas  $0.081
Your case, zpool.ca is higher no?

The earnings charts are a bit confusing to compare but granatgas is ~22% higher earnings
http://voskcoin.com/14-day-update-future-d3/

It's broken down more clearly in this post

next batch comes after October 15 and they will have only 15 days for mining before next batch comes, and pretty much they are screwed too because they dont have that kind of time to get actual profit, at least they will be closer to ROI.

also October batch payed 1600 USD, early november batch payed 1499 after that only 1450, i think they are pretty much screwed as i am

[UnknownBTC]

I'm very positive and i believe the currency is gonna skyrocket anytime