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Author Topic: Bitmain looks like they're releasing a 15GH/s DASH miner called the AntMiner D3  (Read 262601 times)
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September 25, 2017, 07:17:08 AM
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Maybe this is a question unknown as yet...

But I've seen folk say they ordered (my 2nd batch unit goes up on tuesday) that they are not getting the original 15gh unit specs
but the 17gh unit specs at less watts

any clarification? or is it catch all catch can and unknown?

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bitmain miscalculated or they didn't want to overspeculate, so it's 17 and less voltage


whoo, hooo, (then again 15gh vs 17gh mining "air' as the difficulty rises...may, in the long run, make little difference with x11 difficulty playing moon shot) Sad

we need a price pump for DASH and/or the rest of the x11 coins or we are screwed me thinks (oh well, it was a couple of these or the tax man gets the $$$)




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September 25, 2017, 07:19:29 AM
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I don't get it. Why everybody is crying?!?

Maybe some of us don't want to wait 6 or 9 months to ROI my l3+ ROI was 4 weeks.

Sounds like you got spoiled by your L3+. There's no guarantee of ROI, don't be ridiculous. If you're not mining long-term, then why bother? Think of it as an investment in your mining business and any investment takes time to pay off. Just because you got lucky once... my Ibelink 384 MH didn't ROI in any sense of the word.

It can be a calculated risk if timed correctly, with the L3+ it was ordered when I knew the batches were pretty new to the market... I think it was a little naughty for Bitmain to change their game with the D3 , they teased the first few batches and then just flooded the market with D3's over a short period ( November 20k+ in particular)

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September 25, 2017, 09:27:15 AM
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hi, i need some help guys, I've bought 01 Antminer D3 & Apw3++ power supply, do I need to add any Voltage stabilizer or UPS with this?
I 've searched the local market & found a  2000va UPS with 1200W output.  Do u guys have any suggestion what I should use & what needs to be the specification?
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September 25, 2017, 09:53:24 AM
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hi, i need some help guys, I've bought 01 Antminer D3 & Apw3++ power supply, do I need to add any Voltage stabilizer or UPS with this?
I 've searched the local market & found a  2000va UPS with 1200W output.  Do u guys have any suggestion what I should use & what needs to be the specification?


Now, why would you want to do that ??
You have unstable grid or power cuts ?
The miner have auto reboot after power loss, so just plug it, and let it run.
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September 25, 2017, 10:16:51 AM
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hi, i need some help guys, I've bought 01 Antminer D3 & Apw3++ power supply, do I need to add any Voltage stabilizer or UPS with this?
I 've searched the local market & found a  2000va UPS with 1200W output.  Do u guys have any suggestion what I should use & what needs to be the specification?


Now, why would you want to do that ??
You have unstable grid or power cuts ?
The miner have auto reboot after power loss, so just plug it, and let it run.

tnx for your reply, generally here the electricity is not so stable & we face regular load shedding here, I'm not sure that antminer need to have a safe shutdown or not, coz its my first time mining
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September 25, 2017, 10:23:43 AM
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hi, i need some help guys, I've bought 01 Antminer D3 & Apw3++ power supply, do I need to add any Voltage stabilizer or UPS with this?
I 've searched the local market & found a  2000va UPS with 1200W output.  Do u guys have any suggestion what I should use & what needs to be the specification?


Now, why would you want to do that ??
You have unstable grid or power cuts ?
The miner have auto reboot after power loss, so just plug it, and let it run.

tnx for your reply, generally here the electricity is not so stable & we face regular load shedding here, I'm not sure that antminer need to have a safe shutdown or not, coz its my first time mining

No power down required.

You can kill it anytime, and it will power up again.

Even the PSU is tolerant to voltage variations, but it will draw more Amps, in case voltage drops, so be sure your breaker is big enough.
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September 25, 2017, 11:24:34 AM
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7nm chips are in production right now. Why do you think Bitmain flooded the market with their 16nm tech? Out with the old, in with the  new. Ya got a whole bunch of dumbasses that paid such high prices for 16nm chips in their ASIC miners, that it will  take them 1.5 years to pay the initial cost. Trust me, by then 7nm will be in full bloom and production. So bottom line....you don't know what you're talking about.
Maybe you can tell us what fab and what quantity does bitmain get access *now*, that is September 2017 to be precise  Roll Eyes

I did understood that a Japanese company had created the 7 nm chip and will compete with Bitmain. They said not to chair there chip and start mining on there own in januari and later on offer cloud mining and equipment. This was all aiming to sha265, so i think the d3 miner is save until mid 2018, but thats speculating  Cool
Taiwan Semi Conductor has been producing 7nm since late 2016, Samsung is ramping up their current production now as well as Intel. Is there some reason to believe that these Chip makers would not sell to Bitmain? These are just a FEW of the companies with current 7nm production. Bitmain has proven time and time again that they are a very versatile and savy company. They just dumped a shit ton of 16nm units on the masses. Do you really think they have done this without a plan to replace their existing miners with the 7nm to gain the edge in mining??? Why would anyone think that?? You've got idiots in droves out there paying 5, 6, 7, THOUSAND dollars for D3'S from resellers that are now only making $45.00 per day!! It's fucking amazing how stupid this is all getting. OF COURSE BITMAIN IS BUYING 7nm CHIPS.....TODAY in SEPTEMBER 2017!!! YOU won't be buying the units with them in them, but BITMAIN WILL BE MINING WITH THEM LONG BEFORE THAT!!!!
Man, please stop spreading false info. TSMC is doing 10nm now and they have preliminary 7nm Risk Production but nowhere near the volumes required. 7nm volume is 2018. Plus, they're going with folks like Broadcomm and Mediatek that have numbers way beyond Bitmains. There's no excess production for asics there.
Samsung is late as hell and they'll have their needs to satisfy first.

Bitmain will scrap the excess cap, when and if available.

FACTS

2017
Samsung is already producing 10nm, Samsung is already trialling its 7nm process.
Intel is ahead in 10nm chips but Bitmain is not taking orders

2018
Samsung, Intel, TSMC, and Globalfoundries are all racing towards the goal of creating 7nm chips in mass production
TSMC is currently in lead, and expectation is mid-2018 for 7nm to churn out
GMO Japan is planning to buy 7nm for production of ASIC Miners

2019
7nm ASIC miner for sale




Lol, you said *now in production*... now it's 2019. I could agree 2019 perhaps. Intel is not doing 7nm not even for their chips. Samsung is prototyping. So is TSMC which had risk production for 2017 (means small batch, no space for bitmain at all, no asics at all). Globalfoundries is announcing only.

Enough said
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September 25, 2017, 12:01:30 PM
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I have a 18-25 sept. batch order that is Paid, Valid but Unshipped. Bitmain is not answering tickets. Does any of you face the same issue?
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September 25, 2017, 12:04:20 PM
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7nm chips are in production right now. Why do you think Bitmain flooded the market with their 16nm tech? Out with the old, in with the  new. Ya got a whole bunch of dumbasses that paid such high prices for 16nm chips in their ASIC miners, that it will  take them 1.5 years to pay the initial cost. Trust me, by then 7nm will be in full bloom and production. So bottom line....you don't know what you're talking about.
Maybe you can tell us what fab and what quantity does bitmain get access *now*, that is September 2017 to be precise  Roll Eyes

I did understood that a Japanese company had created the 7 nm chip and will compete with Bitmain. They said not to chair there chip and start mining on there own in januari and later on offer cloud mining and equipment. This was all aiming to sha265, so i think the d3 miner is save until mid 2018, but thats speculating  Cool
Taiwan Semi Conductor has been producing 7nm since late 2016, Samsung is ramping up their current production now as well as Intel. Is there some reason to believe that these Chip makers would not sell to Bitmain? These are just a FEW of the companies with current 7nm production. Bitmain has proven time and time again that they are a very versatile and savy company. They just dumped a shit ton of 16nm units on the masses. Do you really think they have done this without a plan to replace their existing miners with the 7nm to gain the edge in mining??? Why would anyone think that?? You've got idiots in droves out there paying 5, 6, 7, THOUSAND dollars for D3'S from resellers that are now only making $45.00 per day!! It's fucking amazing how stupid this is all getting. OF COURSE BITMAIN IS BUYING 7nm CHIPS.....TODAY in SEPTEMBER 2017!!! YOU won't be buying the units with them in them, but BITMAIN WILL BE MINING WITH THEM LONG BEFORE THAT!!!!
Man, please stop spreading false info. TSMC is doing 10nm now and they have preliminary 7nm Risk Production but nowhere near the volumes required. 7nm volume is 2018. Plus, they're going with folks like Broadcomm and Mediatek that have numbers way beyond Bitmains. There's no excess production for asics there.
Samsung is late as hell and they'll have their needs to satisfy first.

Bitmain will scrap the excess cap, when and if available.
Yhttp://www.zdnet.com/article/chipmakers-announce-7nm-technology/you're either ignorant or a liar. I'm not going to paste all the other sources but you're so fucking wrong it's laughable.
Lol do you know the difference between announcing something and actually having it in production with excess capacity to sell to the asic makers (which is low volume, low yield market). Call me ignorant at will, it won't change the facts. We'll have 7nm in 2019 perhaps. But it won't be twice the hashrate for the same power draw. Might be +60% (which is still good). Until then you're stuck with D3 and D3+ which will draw approx the same amount of power per hashrate.
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September 25, 2017, 12:12:34 PM
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That's Not quite right. The 16nm, 10nm, and 7nm refer to the minimum feature size of a die (what eventually becomes a chip). There is also the size of the silicon wafer (what the die are "printed" on). The standard wafer is now typically 300mm diameter, but there is movement towards 450mm diameter wafers.

Thanks for the clarification. Smiley

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September 25, 2017, 12:34:48 PM
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For those who asked earlier, I ordered a September batch of APW3++ about 2 weeks ago using the archived link, and it says that they actually shipped it today. At the moment of ordering, for sale on the website was November batch.
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September 25, 2017, 12:54:50 PM
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7nm chips are in production right now. Why do you think Bitmain flooded the market with their 16nm tech? Out with the old, in with the  new. Ya got a whole bunch of dumbasses that paid such high prices for 16nm chips in their ASIC miners, that it will  take them 1.5 years to pay the initial cost. Trust me, by then 7nm will be in full bloom and production. So bottom line....you don't know what you're talking about.
Maybe you can tell us what fab and what quantity does bitmain get access *now*, that is September 2017 to be precise  Roll Eyes

I did understood that a Japanese company had created the 7 nm chip and will compete with Bitmain. They said not to chair there chip and start mining on there own in januari and later on offer cloud mining and equipment. This was all aiming to sha265, so i think the d3 miner is save until mid 2018, but thats speculating  Cool
Taiwan Semi Conductor has been producing 7nm since late 2016, Samsung is ramping up their current production now as well as Intel. Is there some reason to believe that these Chip makers would not sell to Bitmain? These are just a FEW of the companies with current 7nm production. Bitmain has proven time and time again that they are a very versatile and savy company. They just dumped a shit ton of 16nm units on the masses. Do you really think they have done this without a plan to replace their existing miners with the 7nm to gain the edge in mining??? Why would anyone think that?? You've got idiots in droves out there paying 5, 6, 7, THOUSAND dollars for D3'S from resellers that are now only making $45.00 per day!! It's fucking amazing how stupid this is all getting. OF COURSE BITMAIN IS BUYING 7nm CHIPS.....TODAY in SEPTEMBER 2017!!! YOU won't be buying the units with them in them, but BITMAIN WILL BE MINING WITH THEM LONG BEFORE THAT!!!!
Man, please stop spreading false info. TSMC is doing 10nm now and they have preliminary 7nm Risk Production but nowhere near the volumes required. 7nm volume is 2018. Plus, they're going with folks like Broadcomm and Mediatek that have numbers way beyond Bitmains. There's no excess production for asics there.
Samsung is late as hell and they'll have their needs to satisfy first.

Bitmain will scrap the excess cap, when and if available.
Yhttp://www.zdnet.com/article/chipmakers-announce-7nm-technology/you're either ignorant or a liar. I'm not going to paste all the other sources but you're so fucking wrong it's laughable.
Lol do you know the difference between announcing something and actually having it in production with excess capacity to sell to the asic makers (which is low volume, low yield market). Call me ignorant at will, it won't change the facts. We'll have 7nm in 2019 perhaps. But it won't be twice the hashrate for the same power draw. Might be +60% (which is still good). Until then you're stuck with D3 and D3+ which will draw approx the same amount of power per hashrate.
I think we seem to have a language barrier here. Samsung is "producing" 7nm chips today and intends to scale up that production aggressively in 2018. I understand that ASIC is not high on the distribution priority list as I've said several times here in my posts. My point in all this is.....people are paying completely ridiculous prices for these 16nm units that are 1.5 years into their Moore's Law lifecycle. The market is being slammed with massive quantities of Hashing power. These ignorant fools will take anywhere from 12-20 months to recoup their hardware costs. By then, BAM!! 7nm is either in the Bitmain mines and or about to be. Do you disagree that Bitmain mined 16nm Chips long before they sold them to us??? Yes, 7nm in 2019 for us regular people.....2018 for Bitmain's personal Goldmines. D3's for sale on every street corner for 1/2 their release price. Which is awesome. THAT'S when I'll buy them.
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Lol do you know the difference between announcing something and actually having it in production with excess capacity to sell to the asic makers (which is low volume, low yield market). Call me ignorant at will, it won't change the facts. We'll have 7nm in 2019 perhaps. But it won't be twice the hashrate for the same power draw. Might be +60% (which is still good). Until then you're stuck with D3 and D3+ which will draw approx the same amount of power per hashrate.
I think we seem to have a language barrier here. Samsung is "producing" 7nm chips today and intends to scale up that production aggressively in 2018. I understand that ASIC is not high on the distribution priority list as I've said several times here in my posts. My point in all this is.....people are paying completely ridiculous prices for these 16nm units that are 1.5 years into their Moore's Law lifecycle. The market is being slammed with massive quantities of Hashing power. These ignorant fools will take anywhere from 12-20 months to recoup their hardware costs. By then, BAM!! 7nm is either in the Bitmain mines and or about to be. Do you disagree that Bitmain mined 16nm Chips long before they sold them to us??? Yes, 7nm in 2019 for us regular people.....2018 for Bitmain's personal Goldmines. D3's for sale on every street corner for 1/2 their release price. Which is awesome. THAT'S when I'll buy them.
Ok, let me cut some of the quotes above for brevity.
I understand exactly the nuances of your words. Lets put this into perspective. There will always be new tech in 2-3 years time. Moore's law does not work the way it did 30 to 20 years ago. Today we have evolutionary steps vs revolutionary as it used to be.

By the time those D3 are 1/2 their price (say 700$) on the streets, say 2 years from now, they will have been beaten to death but paid back their first owners. If somebody has free electricity at that time and feel like risking to buy a 2 year old miner at 1/2 the price it's their choice and I won't argue with that.

My take is at that time, difficulty will be way higher and roi much longer (if any) to make it worth.

Now, when I talk about retail price, I mean the 2700 or 1500 $ from Bitmain direct. If you instead mean the 10K from Cryptocrane, then I'm with you all the way. They will never pay back.
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8 Days now and no confirmation email about the payment (bitcoin) and no answer to my 2 tickets   Embarrassed
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I've finally got zpool's D3 delivered  and online. You can see the results here:

http://zpool.ca/?address=1LDQNsknrP6VUDdd1aqGWxoW9HBgYezEyZ

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Lol do you know the difference between announcing something and actually having it in production with excess capacity to sell to the asic makers (which is low volume, low yield market). Call me ignorant at will, it won't change the facts. We'll have 7nm in 2019 perhaps. But it won't be twice the hashrate for the same power draw. Might be +60% (which is still good). Until then you're stuck with D3 and D3+ which will draw approx the same amount of power per hashrate.
I think we seem to have a language barrier here. Samsung is "producing" 7nm chips today and intends to scale up that production aggressively in 2018. I understand that ASIC is not high on the distribution priority list as I've said several times here in my posts. My point in all this is.....people are paying completely ridiculous prices for these 16nm units that are 1.5 years into their Moore's Law lifecycle. The market is being slammed with massive quantities of Hashing power. These ignorant fools will take anywhere from 12-20 months to recoup their hardware costs. By then, BAM!! 7nm is either in the Bitmain mines and or about to be. Do you disagree that Bitmain mined 16nm Chips long before they sold them to us??? Yes, 7nm in 2019 for us regular people.....2018 for Bitmain's personal Goldmines. D3's for sale on every street corner for 1/2 their release price. Which is awesome. THAT'S when I'll buy them.
Ok, let me cut some of the quotes above for brevity.
I understand exactly the nuances of your words. Lets put this into perspective. There will always be new tech in 2-3 years time. Moore's law does not work the way it did 30 to 20 years ago. Today we have evolutionary steps vs revolutionary as it used to be.

By the time those D3 are 1/2 their price (say 700$) on the streets, say 2 years from now, they will have been beaten to death but paid back their first owners. If somebody has free electricity at that time and feel like risking to buy a 2 year old miner at 1/2 the price it's their choice and I won't argue with that.

My take is at that time, difficulty will be way higher and roi much longer (if any) to make it worth.

Now, when I talk about retail price, I mean the 2700 or 1500 $ from Bitmain direct. If you instead mean the 10K from Cryptocrane, then I'm with you all the way. They will never pay back.
Yes that is exactly my point. Most of the last 3 batches were purchased by these parasitic resellers trying to gouge people and unfortunately, having great success doing it. It's just human nature. In the long run this process will be self correcting. The people that got in and paid too much to support any kind of reasonable business model will eventually throw in the towel as they did in 2014-15. Many of these lemmings are paying 18, 20, even 25 cents Kw for their power. At some point there will be at least a temporary release of pressure on the network as these bodies fall to the wayside.

Yes I am aware that Moore's law is butting up against constraints, but it is probably alive and well enough to take a nasty bite out of these fools that have ignored it completely.
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Guys, can you please tell me which pool is most profitable for dash, I'm new here in mining, currently running Antminer D3 on nicehash
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Guys, can you please tell me which pool is most profitable for dash, I'm new here in mining, currently running Antminer D3 on nicehash

zpool.ca
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September 25, 2017, 07:09:33 PM
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For those who asked earlier, I ordered a September batch of APW3++ about 2 weeks ago using the archived link, and it says that they actually shipped it today. At the moment of ordering, for sale on the website was November batch.


Lucky you!! I m the one who submitted that link and My order  of 2 d3 which was supposed to be shipped 18-25 incuding PSU has not shipped yet.

Unlucky I am!!!

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September 25, 2017, 07:15:08 PM
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Guys, can you please tell me which pool is most profitable for dash, I'm new here in mining, currently running Antminer D3 on nicehash

zpool.ca
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His D3 isn't going to earn much on Litecoin pool.
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