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September 24, 2017, 12:33:21 PM
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I don't get it. Why everybody complains on D3 being not profitable ? If you compare it to L3+ and S9, it is more profitable now, but will be about the same by the time november batch hits.

Maybe you get a ROI of 6-9 months. That is still awesome.

You can mine it for an year perhaps.

7nm is not coming anytime soon to asics.

Bitmain might release a D3+ with, say, 20GH but at that point your D3 will have paid for itself and you'll just profit less.

If you're lucky, dash will appreciate and btc will hit 5000+ in the mean time.

I don't get it. Why everybody is crying?!?


Difficulty..my man ...difficulty....that with bitmain putting them out every couple of weeks in 20k batches...you do the math..(assuming your x11 coin of choice goes sideways and/or drops in price)

We are all betting on a pump in x11 price, we can pretty much count on bitmain putting them out like toasters...and so for this turkey to fly...we have to have a price rise
to counteract bitmain's toaster policy...of out the door soonest.......or it is penguin city as we try to fly .plop we land with a crash ..and we slide off the glacier into the sea..full of sea lions (shudder)....

THIS IS IF  difficulty outstrips price of x11 coins....to the point where it costs more electric to mine than you get in crypto.....it won't matter if the price of crypto goes up on x11 coins 2-3 months after that...will be too late..

point.....you will have shot your wad and been unable to mine....

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September 24, 2017, 12:52:00 PM
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I don't get it. Why everybody complains on D3 being not profitable ? If you compare it to L3+ and S9, it is more profitable now, but will be about the same by the time november batch hits.

Maybe you get a ROI of 6-9 months. That is still awesome.

You can mine it for an year perhaps.

7nm is not coming anytime soon to asics.

Bitmain might release a D3+ with, say, 20GH but at that point your D3 will have paid for itself and you'll just profit less.

If you're lucky, dash will appreciate and btc will hit 5000+ in the mean time.

I don't get it. Why everybody is crying?!?


Difficulty..my man ...difficulty....that with bitmain putting them out every couple of weeks in 20k batches...you do the math..(assuming your x11 coin of choice goes sideways and/or drops in price)

We are all betting on a pump in x11 price, we can pretty much count on bitmain putting them out like toasters...and so for this turkey to fly...we have to have a price rise
to counteract bitmain's toaster policy...of out the door soonest.......or it is penguin city as we try to fly .plop we land with a crash ..and we slide off the glacier into the sea..full of sea lions (shudder)....

THIS IS IF  difficulty outstrips price of x11 coins....to the point where it costs more electric to mine than you get in crypto.....it won't matter if the price of crypto goes up on x11 coins 2-3 months after that...will be too late..

point.....you will have shot your wad and been unable to mine....
i will gonna mine anyway because i will have basically free electricity Cheesy i work in government institution and boss already agreed that i can plug in D3 at work so i wont have to pay electricity bills Smiley but still because of difficulty profits will suck Sad
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September 24, 2017, 01:00:16 PM
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How many batches of D3 were sold ? anyone kept a count ?

Sorry i doubt that anybody did.
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September 24, 2017, 01:10:04 PM
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I don't get it. Why everybody complains on D3 being not profitable ? If you compare it to L3+ and S9, it is more profitable now, but will be about the same by the time november batch hits.

Maybe you get a ROI of 6-9 months. That is still awesome.

You can mine it for an year perhaps.

7nm is not coming anytime soon to asics.

Bitmain might release a D3+ with, say, 20GH but at that point your D3 will have paid for itself and you'll just profit less.

If you're lucky, dash will appreciate and btc will hit 5000+ in the mean time.

I don't get it. Why everybody is crying?!?
7nm chips are in production right now. Why do you think Bitmain flooded the market with their 16nm tech? Out with the old, in with the  new. Ya got a whole bunch of dumbasses that paid such high prices for 16nm chips in their ASIC miners, that it will  take them 1.5 years to pay the initial cost. Trust me, by then 7nm will be in full bloom and production. So bottom line....you don't know what you're talking about.
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September 24, 2017, 01:14:47 PM
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How many batches of D3 were sold ? anyone kept a count ?

Sorry i doubt that anybody did.

batch 1    July 18
batch 1.5 July 25
presumably 7K both

batch 2    August 3      presumably 5k units
batch 3    August 11    presumably 5k units
batch 4    August 16 + extra units presumably 10-15K units

after this i'm not sure about batches

batch 5    August 17        presumably 20k units
batch 6    September 5    presumably 20k units
batch 7    September 14  presumably 20k units

assuming there is 100K units sold and all mining dash and price stays same, difficulty will be  around 55mil 4 day without electricity bills, not as bad as i thought Cheesy

Calc link with 100k units online https://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/dash-mining-calculator/?h=15000.00&p=1200.00&pc=0&pf=0.00&d=55000000.00000000&r=1.80147602&er=0.09457800&btcer=3841.00010000&hc=0.00
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September 24, 2017, 02:31:44 PM
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How many batches of D3 were sold ? anyone kept a count ?

Sorry i doubt that anybody did.

batch 1    July 18
batch 1.5 July 25
presumably 7K both

batch 2    August 3      presumably 5k units
batch 3    August 11    presumably 5k units
batch 4    August 16 + extra units presumably 10-15K units

after this i'm not sure about batches

batch 5    August 17        presumably 20k units
batch 6    September 5    presumably 20k units
batch 7    September 14  presumably 20k units

assuming there is 100K units sold and all mining dash and price stays same, difficulty will be  around 55mil 4 day without electricity bills, not as bad as i thought Cheesy

Calc link with 100k units online https://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/dash-mining-calculator/?h=15000.00&p=1200.00&pc=0&pf=0.00&d=55000000.00000000&r=1.80147602&er=0.09457800&btcer=3841.00010000&hc=0.00


man, you're high on weed. what the fuck u mean not so bad?
based on your calculation link attached, it says $3.59/day, that is USD not KWD
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September 24, 2017, 02:37:00 PM
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wow i am so proud of me i create order for 1 d3 nov batch but in last day i change my mind and never pay for the order...i am so luckyy haha....in nov i think you gonna pay from your pocket electricity bill Smiley
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September 24, 2017, 02:46:57 PM
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How many batches of D3 were sold ? anyone kept a count ?

Sorry i doubt that anybody did.

batch 1    July 18
batch 1.5 July 25
presumably 7K both

batch 2    August 3      presumably 5k units
batch 3    August 11    presumably 5k units
batch 4    August 16 + extra units presumably 10-15K units

after this i'm not sure about batches

batch 5    August 17        presumably 20k units
batch 6    September 5    presumably 20k units
batch 7    September 14  presumably 20k units

assuming there is 100K units sold and all mining dash and price stays same, difficulty will be  around 55mil 4 day without electricity bills, not as bad as i thought Cheesy

Calc link with 100k units online https://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/dash-mining-calculator/?h=15000.00&p=1200.00&pc=0&pf=0.00&d=55000000.00000000&r=1.80147602&er=0.09457800&btcer=3841.00010000&hc=0.00


man, you're high on weed. what the fuck u mean not so bad?
based on your calculation link attached, it says $3.59/day, that is USD not KWD

yes it's usd and i expected it would be negative income or less then that, so not that bad Cheesy
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September 24, 2017, 02:59:25 PM
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7nm chips are in production right now. Why do you think Bitmain flooded the market with their 16nm tech? Out with the old, in with the  new. Ya got a whole bunch of dumbasses that paid such high prices for 16nm chips in their ASIC miners, that it will  take them 1.5 years to pay the initial cost. Trust me, by then 7nm will be in full bloom and production. So bottom line....you don't know what you're talking about.
Maybe you can tell us what fab and what quantity does bitmain get access *now*, that is September 2017 to be precise  Roll Eyes
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September 24, 2017, 03:11:16 PM
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How many batches of D3 were sold ? anyone kept a count ?

Sorry i doubt that anybody did.

batch 1    July 18
batch 1.5 July 25
presumably 7K both

batch 2    August 3      presumably 5k units
batch 3    August 11    presumably 5k units
batch 4    August 16 + extra units presumably 10-15K units

after this i'm not sure about batches

batch 5    August 17        presumably 20k units
batch 6    September 5    presumably 20k units
batch 7    September 14  presumably 20k units

assuming there is 100K units sold and all mining dash and price stays same, difficulty will be  around 55mil 4 day without electricity bills, not as bad as i thought Cheesy

Calc link with 100k units online https://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/dash-mining-calculator/?h=15000.00&p=1200.00&pc=0&pf=0.00&d=55000000.00000000&r=1.80147602&er=0.09457800&btcer=3841.00010000&hc=0.00

Lol, way too many "presumably" in your stats.
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September 24, 2017, 03:56:19 PM
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7nm chips are in production right now. Why do you think Bitmain flooded the market with their 16nm tech? Out with the old, in with the  new. Ya got a whole bunch of dumbasses that paid such high prices for 16nm chips in their ASIC miners, that it will  take them 1.5 years to pay the initial cost. Trust me, by then 7nm will be in full bloom and production. So bottom line....you don't know what you're talking about.
Maybe you can tell us what fab and what quantity does bitmain get access *now*, that is September 2017 to be precise  Roll Eyes

I did understood that a Japanese company had created the 7 nm chip and will compete with Bitmain. They said not to chair there chip and start mining on there own in januari and later on offer cloud mining and equipment. This was all aiming to sha265, so i think the d3 miner is save until mid 2018, but thats speculating  Cool
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September 24, 2017, 05:02:35 PM
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How many batches of D3 were sold ? anyone kept a count ?

Sorry i doubt that anybody did.

batch 1    July 18
batch 1.5 July 25
presumably 7K both

batch 2    August 3      presumably 5k units
batch 3    August 11    presumably 5k units
batch 4    August 16 + extra units presumably 10-15K units

after this i'm not sure about batches

batch 5    August 17        presumably 20k units
batch 6    September 5    presumably 20k units
batch 7    September 14  presumably 20k units

assuming there is 100K units sold and all mining dash and price stays same, difficulty will be  around 55mil 4 day without electricity bills, not as bad as i thought Cheesy

Calc link with 100k units online https://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/dash-mining-calculator/?h=15000.00&p=1200.00&pc=0&pf=0.00&d=55000000.00000000&r=1.80147602&er=0.09457800&btcer=3841.00010000&hc=0.00

Lol, way too many "presumably" in your stats.
that's because we really dont know if we believe that remaincount method is real then it's not presumebly it's 20k units but if it's not then i dont know about quantities, that's why i said presumably
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September 24, 2017, 05:46:12 PM
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Those numbers are not right, network hashrate is around 110TH. This increase was caused middle late of september and that apllies to Bitmains september batch from 15 to 25 september (include 3 or 4 days delay for shipping operating). The increase is from hashrate 35TH to 110TH. I my calculation that is 75TH devided by 15GH that makes 5000 3d miners.
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September 24, 2017, 06:01:28 PM
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Those numbers are not right, network hashrate is around 110TH. This increase was caused middle late of september and that apllies to Bitmains september batch from 15 to 25 september (include 3 or 4 days delay for shipping operating). The increase is from hashrate 35TH to 110TH. I my calculation that is 75TH devided by 15GH that makes 5000 3d miners.

excuse me, what the fuck is 3D miners?

Its ANTMINER D3, no such thing as 3D miners.  Huh
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September 24, 2017, 06:02:27 PM
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Those numbers are not right, network hashrate is around 110TH. This increase was caused middle late of september and that apllies to Bitmains september batch from 15 to 25 september (include 3 or 4 days delay for shipping operating). The increase is from hashrate 35TH to 110TH. I my calculation that is 75TH devided by 15GH that makes 5000 3d miners.

if u mean 7K for batch 1+1.5 it is right, because there is additional 20th for nicehash, so it means 130th-35th so 95th is around 6.3k miners Smiley

we dont really know about other batches
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September 24, 2017, 06:53:05 PM
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Those numbers are not right, network hashrate is around 110TH. This increase was caused middle late of september and that apllies to Bitmains september batch from 15 to 25 september (include 3 or 4 days delay for shipping operating). The increase is from hashrate 35TH to 110TH. I my calculation that is 75TH devided by 15GH that makes 5000 3d miners.

if u mean 7K for batch 1+1.5 it is right, because there is additional 20th for nicehash, so it means 130th-35th so 95th is around 6.3k miners Smiley

we dont really know about other batches

LOL
Nice hash doesn't have his own network of mining so don't add nicehash 20 ths bcz this 20 ths is already added in dash  network
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September 24, 2017, 07:10:41 PM
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7nm chips are in production right now. Why do you think Bitmain flooded the market with their 16nm tech? Out with the old, in with the  new. Ya got a whole bunch of dumbasses that paid such high prices for 16nm chips in their ASIC miners, that it will  take them 1.5 years to pay the initial cost. Trust me, by then 7nm will be in full bloom and production. So bottom line....you don't know what you're talking about.
Maybe you can tell us what fab and what quantity does bitmain get access *now*, that is September 2017 to be precise  Roll Eyes

I did understood that a Japanese company had created the 7 nm chip and will compete with Bitmain. They said not to chair there chip and start mining on there own in januari and later on offer cloud mining and equipment. This was all aiming to sha265, so i think the d3 miner is save until mid 2018, but thats speculating  Cool
Taiwan Semi Conductor has been producing 7nm since late 2016, Samsung is ramping up their current production now as well as Intel. Is there some reason to believe that these Chip makers would not sell to Bitmain? These are just a FEW of the companies with current 7nm production. Bitmain has proven time and time again that they are a very versatile and savy company. They just dumped a shit ton of 16nm units on the masses. Do you really think they have done this without a plan to replace their existing miners with the 7nm to gain the edge in mining??? Why would anyone think that?? You've got idiots in droves out there paying 5, 6, 7, THOUSAND dollars for D3'S from resellers that are now only making $45.00 per day!! It's fucking amazing how stupid this is all getting. OF COURSE BITMAIN IS BUYING 7nm CHIPS.....TODAY in SEPTEMBER 2017!!! YOU won't be buying the units with them in them, but BITMAIN WILL BE MINING WITH THEM LONG BEFORE THAT!!!!
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September 24, 2017, 07:22:20 PM
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Txs BenRickert, i needed that comment about the 7nm chip. Gives my fantasy in future mining also a boost  Roll Eyes
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7nm chips are in production right now. Why do you think Bitmain flooded the market with their 16nm tech? Out with the old, in with the  new. Ya got a whole bunch of dumbasses that paid such high prices for 16nm chips in their ASIC miners, that it will  take them 1.5 years to pay the initial cost. Trust me, by then 7nm will be in full bloom and production. So bottom line....you don't know what you're talking about.
Maybe you can tell us what fab and what quantity does bitmain get access *now*, that is September 2017 to be precise  Roll Eyes

I did understood that a Japanese company had created the 7 nm chip and will compete with Bitmain. They said not to chair there chip and start mining on there own in januari and later on offer cloud mining and equipment. This was all aiming to sha265, so i think the d3 miner is save until mid 2018, but thats speculating  Cool
Taiwan Semi Conductor has been producing 7nm since late 2016, Samsung is ramping up their current production now as well as Intel. Is there some reason to believe that these Chip makers would not sell to Bitmain? These are just a FEW of the companies with current 7nm production. Bitmain has proven time and time again that they are a very versatile and savy company. They just dumped a shit ton of 16nm units on the masses. Do you really think they have done this without a plan to replace their existing miners with the 7nm to gain the edge in mining??? Why would anyone think that?? You've got idiots in droves out there paying 5, 6, 7, THOUSAND dollars for D3'S from resellers that are now only making $45.00 per day!! It's fucking amazing how stupid this is all getting. OF COURSE BITMAIN IS BUYING 7nm CHIPS.....TODAY in SEPTEMBER 2017!!! YOU won't be buying the units with them in them, but BITMAIN WILL BE MINING WITH THEM LONG BEFORE THAT!!!!


This is all new with me, but what number of chips has to do with ASIC's speed? Using logic bigger is better, shouldn't be 16nm chips be faster then 7nm? Or is not? Can you please elaborate?

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September 24, 2017, 08:28:26 PM
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I don't get it. Why everybody complains on D3 being not profitable ? If you compare it to L3+ and S9, it is more profitable now, but will be about the same by the time november batch hits.

Maybe you get a ROI of 6-9 months. That is still awesome.

You can mine it for an year perhaps.

7nm is not coming anytime soon to asics.

Bitmain might release a D3+ with, say, 20GH but at that point your D3 will have paid for itself and you'll just profit less.

If you're lucky, dash will appreciate and btc will hit 5000+ in the mean time.

I don't get it. Why everybody is crying?!?
7nm chips are in production right now. Why do you think Bitmain flooded the market with their 16nm tech? Out with the old, in with the  new. Ya got a whole bunch of dumbasses that paid such high prices for 16nm chips in their ASIC miners, that it will  take them 1.5 years to pay the initial cost. Trust me, by then 7nm will be in full bloom and production. So bottom line....you don't know what you're talking about.

No one in the ASIC market can produce 7nm chips. Intel isn't even producing less than 14 nm due to production costs. 7nm chips may exist, but they are not consumer ready, and the ASIC market is a few years behind.

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