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Author Topic: Bitmain looks like they're releasing a 15GH/s DASH miner called the AntMiner D3  (Read 179101 times)
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September 24, 2017, 08:47:14 PM
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I did not expected batches from 30k to 50k miners. My energy cost is 26 eurocent per KW. I orderd 4x 3d miners. Probely i dont have to plug them in at the end of november. Also a lot of pre sales of this batch online. Pff, bye bye 6000 euro + 1500 vat  Undecided or the dash price must dubble  Huh
just sell it with bit profit, man

Listen to him, he is right, try to sell around 2000-2500 each, or offer 2500 and someone will bargain lower it to 2200, and you will in a little bit profit when you sell them, and you can invest into other tech

Yes i will try to sell, but i live in the Netherlands. So here everybody has the high enegry cost problem. If i ship them abroad, then again the miners will be taxed with vat  Sad
The price of dash will easily double. I live in the Netherlands too. I want to soon start a miners cooperative. I know how to get industrial power rates, just need to get enough capital. So you go to any bitcoin meetups around Amsterdam?


It could be worse for you, i sent my miner to France.   A country that is trying to match the US in fascism. My first miner was stolen at customs. This one was held for regulatory  review. Complete bs as its 100% legal. But this time my lawyer prepaired. If it is stolen or held unjustly they will soon see an injunction.



If you want 2 antminers extra for your farm or know somebody   Wink

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September 24, 2017, 09:00:51 PM
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This is all new with me, but what number of chips has to do with ASIC's speed? Using logic bigger is better, shouldn't be 16nm chips be faster then 7nm? Or is not? Can you please elaborate?

These numerical values refer to the manufacturing "size" of the wafers used in the chips.  Not the quantity. Smiley  Generally smaller is better, as they are more efficient, use less electricity, generate less heat, and so on. 

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September 24, 2017, 09:16:08 PM
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7nm chips are in production right now. Why do you think Bitmain flooded the market with their 16nm tech? Out with the old, in with the  new. Ya got a whole bunch of dumbasses that paid such high prices for 16nm chips in their ASIC miners, that it will  take them 1.5 years to pay the initial cost. Trust me, by then 7nm will be in full bloom and production. So bottom line....you don't know what you're talking about.
Maybe you can tell us what fab and what quantity does bitmain get access *now*, that is September 2017 to be precise  Roll Eyes

I did understood that a Japanese company had created the 7 nm chip and will compete with Bitmain. They said not to chair there chip and start mining on there own in januari and later on offer cloud mining and equipment. This was all aiming to sha265, so i think the d3 miner is save until mid 2018, but thats speculating  Cool
Taiwan Semi Conductor has been producing 7nm since late 2016, Samsung is ramping up their current production now as well as Intel. Is there some reason to believe that these Chip makers would not sell to Bitmain? These are just a FEW of the companies with current 7nm production. Bitmain has proven time and time again that they are a very versatile and savy company. They just dumped a shit ton of 16nm units on the masses. Do you really think they have done this without a plan to replace their existing miners with the 7nm to gain the edge in mining??? Why would anyone think that?? You've got idiots in droves out there paying 5, 6, 7, THOUSAND dollars for D3'S from resellers that are now only making $45.00 per day!! It's fucking amazing how stupid this is all getting. OF COURSE BITMAIN IS BUYING 7nm CHIPS.....TODAY in SEPTEMBER 2017!!! YOU won't be buying the units with them in them, but BITMAIN WILL BE MINING WITH THEM LONG BEFORE THAT!!!!
Man, please stop spreading false info. TSMC is doing 10nm now and they have preliminary 7nm Risk Production but nowhere near the volumes required. 7nm volume is 2018. Plus, they're going with folks like Broadcomm and Mediatek that have numbers way beyond Bitmains. There's no excess production for asics there.
Samsung is late as hell and they'll have their needs to satisfy first.

Bitmain will scrap the excess cap, when and if available.
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September 24, 2017, 09:31:36 PM
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Is this the first time that a manufacturer really UPOD  (UnderPromiseOverDeliver)  or what ?
16,777777% more hashing-speed, 20% less pwr consumption.
What temps do you see with yours ? It seems to target for chip-temps at 70C for me.
One board has crazy high hw-err but there are no X-es coming up, yet. Hashing speed is fine, too. Keeping my fingers crossed  Tongue
From my calculation yesterday i think that the fans are at ~ 70%

KNC Miner delivered the Titan scrypt ASIC considerably better than advertised, a little foggy on the details - it was 3 years ago.


and today at this time situation repeats ... over 200 Ths just now
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September 24, 2017, 10:19:15 PM
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Does anybody know why the trading volume of Startcoin (x11) is so high. It is about 300btc per 24 hours for the last days i looked. The nethash is only 230GH?
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September 24, 2017, 10:46:44 PM
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Does anybody know why the trading volume of Startcoin (x11) is so high. It is about 300btc per 24 hours for the last days i looked. The nethash is only 230GH?

A lot of D3 miner use X11 algo with autoswitch to most profitable coin and sell it on exchange for coin they want, probably that why Wink

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September 24, 2017, 11:21:44 PM
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7nm chips are in production right now. Why do you think Bitmain flooded the market with their 16nm tech? Out with the old, in with the  new. Ya got a whole bunch of dumbasses that paid such high prices for 16nm chips in their ASIC miners, that it will  take them 1.5 years to pay the initial cost. Trust me, by then 7nm will be in full bloom and production. So bottom line....you don't know what you're talking about.
Maybe you can tell us what fab and what quantity does bitmain get access *now*, that is September 2017 to be precise  Roll Eyes

I did understood that a Japanese company had created the 7 nm chip and will compete with Bitmain. They said not to chair there chip and start mining on there own in januari and later on offer cloud mining and equipment. This was all aiming to sha265, so i think the d3 miner is save until mid 2018, but thats speculating  Cool
Taiwan Semi Conductor has been producing 7nm since late 2016, Samsung is ramping up their current production now as well as Intel. Is there some reason to believe that these Chip makers would not sell to Bitmain? These are just a FEW of the companies with current 7nm production. Bitmain has proven time and time again that they are a very versatile and savy company. They just dumped a shit ton of 16nm units on the masses. Do you really think they have done this without a plan to replace their existing miners with the 7nm to gain the edge in mining??? Why would anyone think that?? You've got idiots in droves out there paying 5, 6, 7, THOUSAND dollars for D3'S from resellers that are now only making $45.00 per day!! It's fucking amazing how stupid this is all getting. OF COURSE BITMAIN IS BUYING 7nm CHIPS.....TODAY in SEPTEMBER 2017!!! YOU won't be buying the units with them in them, but BITMAIN WILL BE MINING WITH THEM LONG BEFORE THAT!!!!
Man, please stop spreading false info. TSMC is doing 10nm now and they have preliminary 7nm Risk Production but nowhere near the volumes required. 7nm volume is 2018. Plus, they're going with folks like Broadcomm and Mediatek that have numbers way beyond Bitmains. There's no excess production for asics there.
Samsung is late as hell and they'll have their needs to satisfy first.

Bitmain will scrap the excess cap, when and if available.

FACTS

2017
Samsung is already producing 10nm, Samsung is already trialling its 7nm process.
Intel is ahead in 10nm chips but Bitmain is not taking orders

2018
Samsung, Intel, TSMC, and Globalfoundries are all racing towards the goal of creating 7nm chips in mass production
TSMC is currently in lead, and expectation is mid-2018 for 7nm to churn out
GMO Japan is planning to buy 7nm for production of ASIC Miners

2019
7nm ASIC miner for sale



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September 25, 2017, 12:30:23 AM
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I don't get it. Why everybody is crying?!?

Maybe some of us don't want to wait 6 or 9 months to ROI my l3+ ROI was 4 weeks.

Sounds like you got spoiled by your L3+. There's no guarantee of ROI, don't be ridiculous. If you're not mining long-term, then why bother? Think of it as an investment in your mining business and any investment takes time to pay off. Just because you got lucky once... my Ibelink 384 MH didn't ROI in any sense of the word.
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September 25, 2017, 12:39:57 AM
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man, you're high on weed. what the fuck u mean not so bad?
based on your calculation link attached, it says $3.59/day, that is USD not KWD

Depends on your electricity costs. At $0.10/kwhr, it costs $2.40 $3.12 a day to run, leaving 33% 13% profit. Mining is a dangerous game (for your money) when Bitmain can screw people by selling too many miners. The price doesn't have to stay up either, potential buyers should imagine mining in a bear market.
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September 25, 2017, 12:46:53 AM
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man, you're high on weed. what the fuck u mean not so bad?
based on your calculation link attached, it says $3.59/day, that is USD not KWD

Depends on your electricity costs. At $0.10/kwhr, it costs $3.12 a day to run, leaving 13% profit. Mining is a dangerous game (for your money) when Bitmain can screw people by selling too many miners. The price doesn't have to stay up either, potential buyers should imagine mining in a bear market.
thing is i dont have to pay for electricity so its not a big deal for me, but still that diff sucks
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September 25, 2017, 01:19:32 AM
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7nm chips are in production right now. Why do you think Bitmain flooded the market with their 16nm tech? Out with the old, in with the  new. Ya got a whole bunch of dumbasses that paid such high prices for 16nm chips in their ASIC miners, that it will  take them 1.5 years to pay the initial cost. Trust me, by then 7nm will be in full bloom and production. So bottom line....you don't know what you're talking about.
Maybe you can tell us what fab and what quantity does bitmain get access *now*, that is September 2017 to be precise  Roll Eyes

I did understood that a Japanese company had created the 7 nm chip and will compete with Bitmain. They said not to chair there chip and start mining on there own in januari and later on offer cloud mining and equipment. This was all aiming to sha265, so i think the d3 miner is save until mid 2018, but thats speculating  Cool
Taiwan Semi Conductor has been producing 7nm since late 2016, Samsung is ramping up their current production now as well as Intel. Is there some reason to believe that these Chip makers would not sell to Bitmain? These are just a FEW of the companies with current 7nm production. Bitmain has proven time and time again that they are a very versatile and savy company. They just dumped a shit ton of 16nm units on the masses. Do you really think they have done this without a plan to replace their existing miners with the 7nm to gain the edge in mining??? Why would anyone think that?? You've got idiots in droves out there paying 5, 6, 7, THOUSAND dollars for D3'S from resellers that are now only making $45.00 per day!! It's fucking amazing how stupid this is all getting. OF COURSE BITMAIN IS BUYING 7nm CHIPS.....TODAY in SEPTEMBER 2017!!! YOU won't be buying the units with them in them, but BITMAIN WILL BE MINING WITH THEM LONG BEFORE THAT!!!!
Man, please stop spreading false info. TSMC is doing 10nm now and they have preliminary 7nm Risk Production but nowhere near the volumes required. 7nm volume is 2018. Plus, they're going with folks like Broadcomm and Mediatek that have numbers way beyond Bitmains. There's no excess production for asics there.
Samsung is late as hell and they'll have their needs to satisfy first.

Bitmain will scrap the excess cap, when and if available.
Yhttp://www.zdnet.com/article/chipmakers-announce-7nm-technology/you're either ignorant or a liar. I'm not going to paste all the other sources but you're so fucking wrong it's laughable.
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September 25, 2017, 01:28:20 AM
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7nm chips are in production right now. Why do you think Bitmain flooded the market with their 16nm tech? Out with the old, in with the  new. Ya got a whole bunch of dumbasses that paid such high prices for 16nm chips in their ASIC miners, that it will  take them 1.5 years to pay the initial cost. Trust me, by then 7nm will be in full bloom and production. So bottom line....you don't know what you're talking about.
Maybe you can tell us what fab and what quantity does bitmain get access *now*, that is September 2017 to be precise  Roll Eyes

I did understood that a Japanese company had created the 7 nm chip and will compete with Bitmain. They said not to chair there chip and start mining on there own in januari and later on offer cloud mining and equipment. This was all aiming to sha265, so i think the d3 miner is save until mid 2018, but thats speculating  Cool
Taiwan Semi Conductor has been producing 7nm since late 2016, Samsung is ramping up their current production now as well as Intel. Is there some reason to believe that these Chip makers would not sell to Bitmain? These are just a FEW of the companies with current 7nm production. Bitmain has proven time and time again that they are a very versatile and savy company. They just dumped a shit ton of 16nm units on the masses. Do you really think they have done this without a plan to replace their existing miners with the 7nm to gain the edge in mining??? Why would anyone think that?? You've got idiots in droves out there paying 5, 6, 7, THOUSAND dollars for D3'S from resellers that are now only making $45.00 per day!! It's fucking amazing how stupid this is all getting. OF COURSE BITMAIN IS BUYING 7nm CHIPS.....TODAY in SEPTEMBER 2017!!! YOU won't be buying the units with them in them, but BITMAIN WILL BE MINING WITH THEM LONG BEFORE THAT!!!!
Man, please stop spreading false info. TSMC is doing 10nm now and they have preliminary 7nm Risk Production but nowhere near the volumes required. 7nm volume is 2018. Plus, they're going with folks like Broadcomm and Mediatek that have numbers way beyond Bitmains. There's no excess production for asics there.
Samsung is late as hell and they'll have their needs to satisfy first.

Bitmain will scrap the excess cap, when and if available.

FACTS

2017
Samsung is already producing 10nm, Samsung is already trialling its 7nm process.
Intel is ahead in 10nm chips but Bitmain is not taking orders

2018
Samsung, Intel, TSMC, and Globalfoundries are all racing towards the goal of creating 7nm chips in mass production
TSMC is currently in lead, and expectation is mid-2018 for 7nm to churn out
GMO Japan is planning to buy 7nm for production of ASIC Miners

2019
7nm ASIC miner for sale




Exactly!! And all these fucking idiots that are paying resellers 3,4,5 X release price for 16nm chip servers will NOT even be breaking even by the time Bitmain deploys 7nm chips in their mine. eg; Paid $8,500.00 for a D3 from resller for a miner that will "average" $200.00 per month for the next 18 months will still be sucking ass just about the time that Bitmain is selling their used up 7nm servers to the mass public after mining the shit out of them just like they just did with the 16nm. Todays' youth is easily the stupidest generation in recordable human history.
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September 25, 2017, 01:30:56 AM
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I just got a D3 and have been mining for almost 4 days. I'm making about $45/day, but my D3 keeps going offline. What pools are people mining with? I'm using prohashing.com right now. https://imgur.com/n0mdTvU
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September 25, 2017, 01:45:06 AM
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I just got a D3 and have been mining for almost 4 days. I'm making about $45/day, but my D3 keeps going offline. What pools are people mining with? I'm using prohashing.com right now.

fyi ProHashing has a 4.99% fee.  NiceHash is 3 - 4% depending on your payout.  Of course NiceHash only pays in BTC.

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September 25, 2017, 01:51:47 AM
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7nm chips are in production right now. Why do you think Bitmain flooded the market with their 16nm tech? Out with the old, in with the  new. Ya got a whole bunch of dumbasses that paid such high prices for 16nm chips in their ASIC miners, that it will  take them 1.5 years to pay the initial cost. Trust me, by then 7nm will be in full bloom and production. So bottom line....you don't know what you're talking about.
Maybe you can tell us what fab and what quantity does bitmain get access *now*, that is September 2017 to be precise  Roll Eyes

I did understood that a Japanese company had created the 7 nm chip and will compete with Bitmain. They said not to chair there chip and start mining on there own in januari and later on offer cloud mining and equipment. This was all aiming to sha265, so i think the d3 miner is save until mid 2018, but thats speculating  Cool
Taiwan Semi Conductor has been producing 7nm since late 2016, Samsung is ramping up their current production now as well as Intel. Is there some reason to believe that these Chip makers would not sell to Bitmain? These are just a FEW of the companies with current 7nm production. Bitmain has proven time and time again that they are a very versatile and savy company. They just dumped a shit ton of 16nm units on the masses. Do you really think they have done this without a plan to replace their existing miners with the 7nm to gain the edge in mining??? Why would anyone think that?? You've got idiots in droves out there paying 5, 6, 7, THOUSAND dollars for D3'S from resellers that are now only making $45.00 per day!! It's fucking amazing how stupid this is all getting. OF COURSE BITMAIN IS BUYING 7nm CHIPS.....TODAY in SEPTEMBER 2017!!! YOU won't be buying the units with them in them, but BITMAIN WILL BE MINING WITH THEM LONG BEFORE THAT!!!!
Man, please stop spreading false info. TSMC is doing 10nm now and they have preliminary 7nm Risk Production but nowhere near the volumes required. 7nm volume is 2018. Plus, they're going with folks like Broadcomm and Mediatek that have numbers way beyond Bitmains. There's no excess production for asics there.
Samsung is late as hell and they'll have their needs to satisfy first.

Bitmain will scrap the excess cap, when and if available.

FACTS

2017
Samsung is already producing 10nm, Samsung is already trialling its 7nm process.
Intel is ahead in 10nm chips but Bitmain is not taking orders

2018
Samsung, Intel, TSMC, and Globalfoundries are all racing towards the goal of creating 7nm chips in mass production
TSMC is currently in lead, and expectation is mid-2018 for 7nm to churn out
GMO Japan is planning to buy 7nm for production of ASIC Miners

2019
7nm ASIC miner for sale




Exactly!! And all these fucking idiots that are paying resellers 3,4,5 X release price for 16nm chip servers will NOT even be breaking even by the time Bitmain deploys 7nm chips in their mine. eg; Paid $8,500.00 for a D3 from resller for a miner that will "average" $200.00 per month for the next 18 months will still be sucking ass just about the time that Bitmain is selling their used up 7nm servers to the mass public after mining the shit out of them just like they just did with the 16nm. Todays' youth is easily the stupidest generation in recordable human history.

I think zamans98 has the right ideas with the timeline for implementation.  I would also put it at Late 2019 for sales.  Right now it is all theoretical.  There is no talk of wafers at all.

I am glad to hear that there are many different companies in the market in going to 7nm and am also hearing about more companies trying to create mining hardware in competition to Bitmain.     

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September 25, 2017, 01:52:07 AM
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I just got a D3 and have been mining for almost 4 days. I'm making about $45/day, but my D3 keeps going offline. What pools are people mining with? I'm using prohashing.com right now. https://imgur.com/n0mdTvU

fyi ProHashing has a 4.99% fee.  NiceHash is 3 - 4% depending on your payout.  Of course NiceHash only pays in BTC.

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I have NiceHash set as my backup pool. Are you mining on it with a D3? If so, what are your payouts like?
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I just got a D3 and have been mining for almost 4 days. I'm making about $45/day, but my D3 keeps going offline. What pools are people mining with? I'm using prohashing.com right now.

fyi ProHashing has a 4.99% fee.  NiceHash is 3 - 4% depending on your payout.  Of course NiceHash only pays in BTC.

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I have NiceHash set as my backup pool. Are you mining on it with a D3? If so, what are your payouts like?

I don't have a D3. Sad

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September 25, 2017, 03:06:10 AM
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I just got a D3 and have been mining for almost 4 days. I'm making about $45/day, but my D3 keeps going offline. What pools are people mining with? I'm using prohashing.com right now.

fyi ProHashing has a 4.99% fee.  NiceHash is 3 - 4% depending on your payout.  Of course NiceHash only pays in BTC.

M

I have NiceHash set as my backup pool. Are you mining on it with a D3? If so, what are your payouts like?

I don't have a D3. Sad

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I do not use nicehash, but the payout is quite close to what in whattomine (using 17Gh/s as hashrate).
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September 25, 2017, 05:18:24 AM
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This is all new with me, but what number of chips has to do with ASIC's speed? Using logic bigger is better, shouldn't be 16nm chips be faster then 7nm? Or is not? Can you please elaborate?

These numerical values refer to the manufacturing "size" of the wafers used in the chips.  Not the quantity. Smiley  Generally smaller is better, as they are more efficient, use less electricity, generate less heat, and so on. 

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That's Not quite right. The 16nm, 10nm, and 7nm refer to the minimum feature size of a die (what eventually becomes a chip). There is also the size of the silicon wafer (what the die are "printed" on). The standard wafer is now typically 300mm diameter, but there is movement towards 450mm diameter wafers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafer_(electronics)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_device_fabrication

You are correct about smaller being better. Other reasons that smaller is better is that the signal paths are shorter, which means faster. The use of lower voltages and currents usually means lower levels of heat generated, but the smaller feature sizes allows the manufacturers to cram more transistors/gates onto a die of any given size, thus increasing the current draw, and thus the heat dissipated.

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September 25, 2017, 06:54:14 AM
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Maybe this is a question unknown as yet...

But I've seen folk say they ordered (my 2nd batch unit goes up on tuesday) that they are not getting the original 15gh unit specs
but the 17gh unit specs at less watts

any clarification? or is it catch all catch can and unknown?

thanks


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