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October 22, 2013, 10:58:51 PM
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Only PoS and low intensity CPU mining here.
Is YAC CPU mining as profitable as XPM mining?

Not sure, I just hold and mint pos atm...yac used to be more profitable than anything, for a long long time, but few people knew.
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October 22, 2013, 11:43:16 PM
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How is everyone doing with GPU mining? I feel like I'm trying to dig holes with a tooth brush. HW errors are out of control, but I can't crank the thread concurrency too high or the GPUs become unstable. Best I can do is about 7.6 diff 1 shares/min per 7950. Can anyone do any better?

yacminer --scrypt -w 256 -I 11 --lookup-gap 2 -o http://yacp.coinmine.pl:8088 -u myusername -p mypassword --thread-concurrency 41216

yields appx 9k/sec on my 7950's...
Do you get any HW errors? After accounting for HW errors I get 8.3 kh/s per card. I can't seem to crank my TC that high when lookup gap is only 2, maybe it's because I use WF3s with the lower voltage FW.

No HW errors, that's why my intensity is at 11... I only need turn down intensity during each N change...
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October 23, 2013, 04:01:05 AM
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Only PoS and low intensity CPU mining here.
Is YAC CPU mining as profitable as XPM mining?

Not sure, I just hold and mint pos atm...yac used to be more profitable than anything, for a long long time, but few people knew.
"premine" sure.  Smiley

huh!?

I was talking recently, not at the beggining of the coin's life.
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October 23, 2013, 04:54:43 AM
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You can get today more YAC for a fraction of a BTC that I got mining at launch. Entry point is now as fair as it gets.

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October 23, 2013, 05:17:43 AM
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You can get today more YAC for a fraction of a BTC that I got mining at launch. Entry point is now as fair as it gets.

Yeah, +1...price is too darn cheap right now, and me without btc. :/
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October 25, 2013, 06:21:08 PM
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You can get today more YAC for a fraction of a BTC that I got mining at launch. Entry point is now as fair as it gets.

Yeah, +1...price is too darn cheap right now, and me without btc. :/

No doubt. The most annoying thing about the current price to me is that I don't have BTC to buy more YAC's 
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October 25, 2013, 10:54:16 PM
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Anyone mining this thing on a cloud?

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October 26, 2013, 02:47:53 AM
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Anyone mining this thing on a cloud?

Probably some botnet guy...I have yet to found a profitable vps provider for mining.
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October 29, 2013, 02:22:34 AM
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Anyone mining this thing on a cloud?

Probably some botnet guy...I have yet to found a profitable vps provider for mining.
I doubt there are any botnets YAC mining. It's more profitable to CPU mine QRK or XPM. I'm guessing most of the YAC network is still GPU farms.
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November 01, 2013, 02:39:08 PM
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Code:
$ make -f makefile.unix
/bin/sh ../share/genbuild.sh obj/build.h
gcc -c -O3 -msse2 -pthread -Wall -Wextra -Wformat -Wformat-security -Wno-unused-parameter -g -DBOOST_SPIRIT_THREADSAFE -I/usr/src/coins/yacoin/src -I/usr/src/coins/yacoin/src/obj -DUSE_UPNP=0 -DUSE_IPV6=1 -DSCRYPT_KECCAK512 -DSCRYPT_CHACHA -DSCRYPT_CHOOSE_COMPILETIME -DHAVE_BUILD_INFO -fno-stack-protector -fstack-protector-all -Wstack-protector -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2  -MMD -o obj/scrypt-jane.o scrypt-jane/scrypt-jane.c
scrypt-jane/scrypt-jane.c:10:8: error: expected identifier or ‘(’ before string constant
make: *** [obj/scrypt-jane.o] Error 1

Could some body provide me with true flags to build this coin?

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November 01, 2013, 02:52:07 PM
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Code:
$ make -f makefile.unix
/bin/sh ../share/genbuild.sh obj/build.h
gcc -c -O3 -msse2 -pthread -Wall -Wextra -Wformat -Wformat-security -Wno-unused-parameter -g -DBOOST_SPIRIT_THREADSAFE -I/usr/src/coins/yacoin/src -I/usr/src/coins/yacoin/src/obj -DUSE_UPNP=0 -DUSE_IPV6=1 -DSCRYPT_KECCAK512 -DSCRYPT_CHACHA -DSCRYPT_CHOOSE_COMPILETIME -DHAVE_BUILD_INFO -fno-stack-protector -fstack-protector-all -Wstack-protector -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2  -MMD -o obj/scrypt-jane.o scrypt-jane/scrypt-jane.c
scrypt-jane/scrypt-jane.c:10:8: error: expected identifier or ‘(’ before string constant
make: *** [obj/scrypt-jane.o] Error 1

Could some body provide me with true flags to build this coin?

You can probably use this as a starting point: https://github.com/yacoin/yacoin/blob/master/src/makefile.mingw
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November 07, 2013, 08:31:18 AM
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Guys maybe its time to move on... xpm is everything yac was trying to do and is at the moment the only true cpu only coin with out weird N that messes with hash rates and actaully does something useful like find prime numbers Smiley 

 This coin had a good run but I just think there are now much better coins with active devs that could use our support and offer a better reward .

Just my two yacs lol

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November 07, 2013, 09:15:36 AM
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You are free to send me your YAC, I'll help you free that hard drive space. Grin

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November 07, 2013, 09:26:23 AM
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Guys maybe its time to move on... xpm is everything yac was trying to do and is at the moment the only true cpu only coin with out weird N that messes with hash rates and actaully does something useful like find prime numbers Smiley 

 This coin had a good run but I just think there are now much better coins with active devs that could use our support and offer a better reward .

Just my two yacs lol

XPM sure is nice, but it doesn't have POS...only an innovative POW, and it's really complicated for it to move forward the way difficulty works.
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November 07, 2013, 09:59:29 AM
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I don't think it's about XPM replacing YAC, but I think there's mainly 2 things that are putting in danger YAC and preventing its raise:

- The sudden, N increases. I don't know if it's possible to 'smoothen' the effects without a hard-fork, but it would be worth considering. The average foe is probably not OK with their hashrate halving overnight and difficulty taking 5-6 days to adjust. Since the N concept probably has to stay this way as it's 'the concept' of the coin, I guess the change should come with difficulty reacting faster after a N change.

- The lack of development news (not blaming the dev(s), I understand you can't do miracles with few numbers, but it's an issue from outside).

If these 2 things are tackled I don't see why YAC couldn't become more widespread. If nothing changes, well, I'm afraid we'll all have a good amount of very cheap coins.

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November 07, 2013, 10:44:24 AM
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I don't think it's about XPM replacing YAC, but I think there's mainly 2 things that are putting in danger YAC and preventing its raise:

- The sudden, N increases. I don't know if it's possible to 'smoothen' the effects without a hard-fork, but it would be worth considering. The average foe is probably not OK with their hashrate halving overnight and difficulty taking 5-6 days to adjust. Since the N concept probably has to stay this way as it's 'the concept' of the coin, I guess the change should come with difficulty reacting faster after a N change.
Yes, that's impossible without a hard fork.

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However, as YAC has PoS mining, the PoW difficulty/Nfactor changes are not important. PoW should only be used for the initial distribution of coins. PoS will eventually overtake PoW and then invalidate it altogether as PoS blocks have much larger "trust" value assigned to them compared to PoW blocks which have a trust of 1 (just look at NVC).

Also, it's quite easy to supress PoW entirely if any large YAC holder wanted to do so - just hold onto your coins and when you see a PoW block on the network, ignore it and quickly make one PoS block linking to the previous block (not the new PoW block). The other peers will happily orphan the PoW block. You will need to make some code changes to your client first, but it's not that difficult and IMHO worth it for the lulz. Just imagine all the YAC pools getting nothing but orphans. Cheesy

Now I hope you see the futility of PoW mining a coin that has PoS. Wink So hashrate/N changes/whatever is not an issue for YAC in the long run (when there are many coins participating in proof of stake).
END EDIT.

- The lack of development news (not blaming the dev(s), I understand you can't do miracles with few numbers, but it's an issue from outside).
Currently we're trying to improve the client start-up time. Not much success so far (moved to LevelDB), but I've got an idea. (Make a bounty! Tongue)

If these 2 things are tackled I don't see why YAC couldn't become more widespread. If nothing changes, well, I'm afraid we'll all have a good amount of very cheap coins.
They're already quite cheap. Smiley Time to buy!

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November 07, 2013, 11:18:03 AM
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I don't see mining having any problem at all, new coins keep being added regularly, and transactions are fast. For once we have a coin that has worked nominally since release without needing any tweaks.

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November 07, 2013, 12:20:05 PM
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Also, it's quite easy to supress PoW entirely if any large YAC holder wanted to do so - just hold onto your coins and when you see a PoW block on the network, ignore it and quickly make one PoS block linking to the previous block (not the new PoW block). The other peers will happily orphan the PoW block. You will need to make some code changes to your client first, but it's not that difficult and IMHO worth it for the lulz. Just imagine all the YAC pools getting nothing but orphans. Cheesy

Now I hope you see the futility of PoW mining a coin that has PoS. Wink So hashrate/N changes/whatever is not an issue for YAC in the long run (when there are many coins participating in proof of stake).
Don't get me bad ideas ...

Actually it does piss me off that people can now buy YACs so much cheaper than I had paid. I wouldn't even have to actually fight many POWs since I ask the miners for a little donation. It would be a shame if something happend to your block. Since I would still kill a lot of blocks there would be far less supply for the exchanges.

In fact I can't stop people from selling cheap at the exchanges, but if I punish all miners for to low prices I can somewhat stabilize the market. I do have the coins, the money to buy significant on the exchanges to prevent a panic and my morals ain't that good either.


On a total different subject, how can I automatically split up a big wallet into a few small ones. Let's say about 10.000 adresses?

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November 07, 2013, 12:29:33 PM
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Don't get me bad ideas ...

Actually it does piss me off that people can now buy YACs so much cheaper than I had paid. I wouldn't even have to actually fight many POWs since I ask the miners for a little donation. It would be a shame if something happend to your block. Since I would still kill a lot of blocks there would be far less supply for the exchanges.

In fact I can't stop people from selling cheap at the exchanges, but if I punish all miners for to low prices I can somewhat stabilize the market. I do have the coins, the money to buy significant on the exchanges to prevent a panic and my morals ain't that good either.
Wink

On a total different subject, how can I automatically split up a big wallet into a few small ones. Let's say about 10.000 adresses?
Something like:
1) create new wallet.dat
2) generate and save 10000 addresses via RPC command
3) switch to your old wallet.dat
4) send X YAC to each of these 10k addresses you just generated
5) Huh
6) Profit!

Some BASH code for step 2:
Code:
for i in $(seq 1 10000) ; do yacoind getnewaddress >> addresses.txt ; done

And for step 4:
Code:
for address in $(cat addresses.txt) ; do yacoind sendtoaddress ${address} <AMOUNT> ; done
Replace <AMOUNT> by the amount of YACs you want to send to each address.

Quite easy. Wink

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November 07, 2013, 12:57:52 PM
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Quite easy. Wink
Wouldn't that be better to do with CC from one single adress?


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