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Question: How many BottleCaps do you own?
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November 18, 2017, 04:05:24 PM
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I'm curious as to how the attack on CAP was actually done. Since it didn't require someone to have 51% , but merely to generate faster blocks, how exactly did the attacker accomplish this?

Are there any other possible theoretical attacks we haven't seen on a POS network?

I'd like to see more the community have more discussions about this in order to minimize potential issues in the the future.

it was explained above a bit... I was under the same impression about 51%. I believe this was actually a double spend attack

Yes just a double spend attack. Cryptopia shares some of the blame by only getting 20 confirmations.

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November 18, 2017, 04:55:56 PM
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PoS attack very easy, but better not explain step by step for everyone, or more users may try it.
About Cryptopia, I think attacker not only sell CAP and get bitcoins, but also take all CAP from exchange to 3 top address in richlist and now have 38M coins.

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November 18, 2017, 05:04:41 PM
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PoS attack very easy, but better not explain step by step for everyone, or more users may try it.
About Cryptopia, I think attacker not only sell CAP and get bitcoins, but also take all CAP from exchange to 3 top address in richlist and now have 38M coins.

check tx-es in those addys, some of them not included in block,
that's why at the top, balances are fake
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November 18, 2017, 07:11:45 PM
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I analyze tx from that 3 address. All belong to attacker on Cryptopia and it was not first attack.
Previous was October 8,9,10.
Admins from Cryptopia, it is hacker addresses:
EvkWsGkW1xFhNxCMDMFG7rHjF4vc23xy2D
F4GqUVjQAu2dQJeUejisw5HxbooP5CjFCJ
EyViNxLswJm8Ar8KT3MTPm6hfMrjXHmtCW

Summary hacker stole 36M CAP from Cryptopia.

PS. Better solution will be create new coin (Hyperstake clone) and send all premine to current addresses, except  hackers 82 to 160 in rich list.

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November 18, 2017, 09:48:12 PM
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PoS attack very easy, but better not explain step by step for everyone, or more users may try it.
About Cryptopia, I think attacker not only sell CAP and get bitcoins, but also take all CAP from exchange to 3 top address in richlist and now have 38M coins.

I'll private message you.

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November 18, 2017, 11:01:24 PM
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I see CAP now have 185% rate just because one of nodes have -60 min time shift.
It is because developer had tried quick fix one bug (time wrap stuck), but create another.

PS. To fix this bug, just need return original function GetNextTargetRequiredV1 and reduce max time drift to 3 min.

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November 19, 2017, 09:57:15 AM
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I analyze tx from that 3 address. All belong to attacker on Cryptopia and it was not first attack.
Previous was October 8,9,10.
Admins from Cryptopia, it is hacker addresses:
EvkWsGkW1xFhNxCMDMFG7rHjF4vc23xy2D
F4GqUVjQAu2dQJeUejisw5HxbooP5CjFCJ
EyViNxLswJm8Ar8KT3MTPm6hfMrjXHmtCW

Summary hacker stole 36M CAP from Cryptopia.

New hackers addresses for next attack: from 82 to 160 in rich list.

PS. Better solution will be create new coin (Hyperstake clone) and send all premine to current addresses, except  hackers 82 to 160 in rich list.


I support this option. A new chain would be a lot better for a number of reasons.
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November 19, 2017, 03:18:35 PM
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So, is it worth our while to keep our wallets open for staking right now?   

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November 19, 2017, 04:20:39 PM
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I analyze tx from that 3 address. All belong to attacker on Cryptopia and it was not first attack.
Previous was October 8,9,10.
Admins from Cryptopia, it is hacker addresses:
EvkWsGkW1xFhNxCMDMFG7rHjF4vc23xy2D
F4GqUVjQAu2dQJeUejisw5HxbooP5CjFCJ
EyViNxLswJm8Ar8KT3MTPm6hfMrjXHmtCW

Summary hacker stole 36M CAP from Cryptopia.

New hackers addresses for next attack: from 82 to 160 in rich list.

PS. Better solution will be create new coin (Hyperstake clone) and send all premine to current addresses, except  hackers 82 to 160 in rich list.


I support this option. A new chain would be a lot better for a number of reasons.

im in too, lets start fresh with a new bitcointalk thread and new more secure chain
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November 19, 2017, 07:01:31 PM
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I analyze tx from that 3 address. All belong to attacker on Cryptopia and it was not first attack.
Previous was October 8,9,10.
Admins from Cryptopia, it is hacker addresses:
EvkWsGkW1xFhNxCMDMFG7rHjF4vc23xy2D
F4GqUVjQAu2dQJeUejisw5HxbooP5CjFCJ
EyViNxLswJm8Ar8KT3MTPm6hfMrjXHmtCW

Summary hacker stole 36M CAP from Cryptopia.

New hackers addresses for next attack: from 82 to 160 in rich list.

PS. Better solution will be create new coin (Hyperstake clone) and send all premine to current addresses, except  hackers 82 to 160 in rich list.


This would certainly alleviate some issues.

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November 19, 2017, 09:32:12 PM
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Who is going to be the developer, admin, coin swapper for any of this?  Huh

Hint, it's not me...


Is there anyone who cares about CAPs that has any experience with actually doing any development work? Other then myself?  Speak now..

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November 19, 2017, 09:58:12 PM
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I've been a very small part of this team promoting the coin on various POS coin threads.  I don't have much to lose compared to some.  It would be great to see more voices chime in here.  I'm too busy to know exactly what is going on, but I gather not only cryptopia is losing but many private individuals?

I respect the exchanges, but they are in a better position to take a lose probably than individuals.  Almost every exchange has done things to protect their own interests over their customers at times.


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November 19, 2017, 10:36:07 PM
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Who is going to be the developer, admin, coin swapper for any of this?  Huh

Hint, it's not me...


Is there anyone who cares about CAPs that has any experience with actually doing any development work? Other then myself?  Speak now..

Is there a current solution in place vs the suggested one? What would be the pros and cons of each?

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November 19, 2017, 10:38:04 PM
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Who is going to be the developer, admin, coin swapper for any of this?  Huh

Hint, it's not me...


Is there anyone who cares about CAPs that has any experience with actually doing any development work? Other then myself?  Speak now..
I can do this, but some users decided that "We do not need a hostile takeover."
My github https://github.com/scificrypto and 3 of my coins on Cryptopia.

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November 19, 2017, 10:53:44 PM
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Who is going to be the developer, admin, coin swapper for any of this?  Huh

Hint, it's not me...


Is there anyone who cares about CAPs that has any experience with actually doing any development work? Other then myself?  Speak now..
I can do this, but some users decided that "We do not need a hostile takeover."
My github https://github.com/scificrypto and 3 of my coins on Cryptopia.

Not hostile. I will gladly help for what I can, and if you need peer review or help with testnet, etc I can do this.

What is the plan? Fork HYP? and update for CAPs. I think better to fork newest NVC or PPC straight up.

I had plans to put some fixes into CAP, but not a complete reboot.  

Someone needs to control the OP as well. I don't have that user Account.  I think it was flound1129 who had it at one point.

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November 19, 2017, 10:58:39 PM
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Who is going to be the developer, admin, coin swapper for any of this?  Huh

Hint, it's not me...


Is there anyone who cares about CAPs that has any experience with actually doing any development work? Other then myself?  Speak now..
I can do this, but some users decided that "We do not need a hostile takeover."
My github https://github.com/scificrypto and 3 of my coins on Cryptopia.

I have been apart of several dev teams as well and can give some support. I only own about 400k so I don't have much at stake and most are locked up on cryptopia but can help with support on bitcointalk, website and discord if needed.
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November 19, 2017, 11:22:27 PM
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New topic already started: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2329756.0
But I change later some parameters.
It will be SCIFI clone with some changes. SCIFI - fork from recent NVC
Coin swap very easy, after start I send premine to all old CAP addresses (see BUK swap)
User just put old CAP wallet.dat to new directory and start CAPP

But first I need obtain consent from Cryptopia.

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November 19, 2017, 11:30:04 PM
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New topic already started: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2329756.0
But I change later some parameters.
It will be SCIFI clone with some changes. SCIFI - fork from recent NVC
Coin swap very easy, after start I send premine to all old CAP addresses (see BUK swap)
User just put old CAP wallet.dat to new directory and start CAPP

But first I need obtain consent from Cryptopia.

also need to reach out to trade satashi and have them pause trading
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November 19, 2017, 11:43:38 PM
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Cryptopia stop CAP trading 11 days ago.

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November 19, 2017, 11:49:07 PM
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Cryptopia stop CAP trading 11 days ago.

yes, I know my coins are stuck Smiley

https://tradesatoshi.com/Exchange/?market=CAP_BTC

is the only other exchange that caps is on that I know of. Any others?
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