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January 12, 2018, 01:07:36 PM
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A few orders will go out in March. A majority in April.

I specialize in business development for ASIC mining hardware manufacturing companies: https://www.scottofford.com/
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I can assure you, once the firmware is in production mode, y’all are going to really like it... for more than one reason.

Since slush confirmed the situation too, They are %90+ legit to me now.

Now I just hope that halong will accept smaller orders from us instead of minimum 5 pieces. If they create a better worldwide distribution and customer service too bitmain will get rekt in no time. That piece of shit company and its ceo is one of the most hated figures in the btc world.

No one will shed tears after bitmain.

Amen  Cool


Compared to some other companies who are selling miners and who needs 10, 20 or 50 pieces as MOQ the 5 is fair.
But you are right. Selling small pieces to individuals will help the decentralization of the network.
Maybe there will be a distribution for small pieces?
Maybe those who bought 10, 15, 20 or more are willing to sell them (for winnings) like some do with S9.

A normal customer can buy 1 or 2 to heat his house in winter and earn some coins. With 5 MOQ its not possible right now.
But a normal customer should not be served the first batches. Think of the scam screaming everywhere with 30.000 pcs each to 1x customer Wink
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You need an infrastructure for it. Support teams. Everything can happen, but it needs to grow now.
That is the normal double drain at a startup. While your competitor has all ways running and just can concentrate on new research.
Most people maybe think the major work is done after first successfull batches?
Its starting right now for them!

I think that are fine adjustements they hopefull introduce after they sold the first big batches.
Maybe they will have batches of working chips, but bad chips. Like its normal within such a production.
Undervolt them and bring them maybe out like Bitmain did with the R4 as silence home version.

No idea what will happen on this and just guessing around.
What is 100% sure about this. It was exciting for now, but it will maybe get more exciting. Future will show.
They have the foot in the door of the market. Now they have to stay in and we can help them.

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January 12, 2018, 02:32:34 PM
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@offordscott As mentioned via email several times, why are you unwilling to provide a protected means to provide such an investment? Most startups would be ecstatic to be getting investments from people, not requiring bitcoin only.

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January 12, 2018, 03:12:16 PM
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Halong accepts wire transfer as well, through a particular distributor.

@offordscott As mentioned via email several times, why are you unwilling to provide a protected means to provide such an investment? Most startups would be ecstatic to be getting investments from people, not requiring bitcoin only.

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January 12, 2018, 03:28:24 PM
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Is it Blockware Solutions LLC?
https://blockwaresolutions.com/

They claim to be a reseller for the Dragonmint miner.

Halong accepts wire transfer as well, through a particular distributor.

@offordscott As mentioned via email several times, why are you unwilling to provide a protected means to provide such an investment? Most startups would be ecstatic to be getting investments from people, not requiring bitcoin only.


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January 12, 2018, 03:43:33 PM
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Halong accepts wire transfer as well, through a particular distributor.

@offordscott As mentioned via email several times, why are you unwilling to provide a protected means to provide such an investment? Most startups would be ecstatic to be getting investments from people, not requiring bitcoin only.

Wire transfer isn’t protected either...PayPal, third party escrow through legendary members of bitcointalk, etc are all protected methods in which we can send you money for these miners and it would make your company look good in the bitcointalk community as well. Not trying to be an ass, trying to establish legitimacy before making a purchase. I purchased 25 machines already in the past month from hotmine and bitmain. Looking to get 25 more...instead of working with prospective buyers it appears you are working against them...not a good look.

From someone who has owned miners from Cointerra, Spondoolies, Bitmain, and Hotmine, I am more than willing to give a new company a shot, on my own terms....

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January 12, 2018, 04:53:01 PM
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Halong accepts wire transfer as well, through a particular distributor.

@offordscott As mentioned via email several times, why are you unwilling to provide a protected means to provide such an investment? Most startups would be ecstatic to be getting investments from people, not requiring bitcoin only.

Wire transfer isn’t protected either...PayPal, third party escrow through legendary members of bitcointalk, etc are all protected methods in which we can send you money for these miners and it would make your company look good in the bitcointalk community as well. Not trying to be an ass, trying to establish legitimacy before making a purchase. I purchased 25 machines already in the past month from hotmine and bitmain. Looking to get 25 more...instead of working with prospective buyers it appears you are working against them...not a good look.

From someone who has owned miners from Cointerra, Spondoolies, Bitmain, and Hotmine, I am more than willing to give a new company a shot, on my own terms....

Buying from Bitmain I can understand. But why you bought from Hotmine those Bitfury chip machines?
I just put them in my LibreOffice form and the result looks like this. (ignore the colors/highlight numbers please)
Next to E10, 16T, Avalon ... etc. etc. ... Hotmine looks not to good for me.
You know any special benefits about them why its good to buy them?


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January 12, 2018, 07:04:48 PM
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Hopefully these guys are able to deliver on time.  If successful I will definitely consider next batch.  As long as they stay competitive with Bitmain, that would be great to get another reliable competition manufacturer.  At the moment, the verdict is still out for decision on these guys.

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January 12, 2018, 07:15:08 PM
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Hopefully these guys are able to deliver on time.  If successful I will definitely consider next batch.  As long as they stay competitive with Bitmain, that would be great to get another reliable competition manufacturer.  At the moment, the verdict is still out for decision on these guys.

Having just today received confirmation that Syanmining.com was an elaborate scam... really really really really hope DragonMint is the real deal! But having a backer and massive traction ref communication and info they appear to be the future Bitmain contender.
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January 12, 2018, 09:54:29 PM
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I also hope that the DragonMint it real in the light of SyanMining. What worries me is that they do not provide an address. In the case of SyanMining, I came to Hong Kong to verify the addresses and found it to be a scam very quickly.  If Halong is legit, I think it would be wise, and go a long way provide to assurance to all those that purchased, if they would come out with a physical address or provide another video with a trusted person, even from this group.
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January 13, 2018, 07:34:10 PM
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its just scam

Found another seagull -> https://ibb.co/jnqB46

But DragonMint is more real then scam Wink

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January 13, 2018, 09:38:58 PM
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I think that the reason they are still using other miners Operating Systems is because their software is not ready yet, you can imagine how scarce Linux devs must be these days considering how everyone just wants to push out a good fat solidity.  Grin
I saw BTCDrak did fork the S9 OS and he is probably working man-alone trying to get this thing ready in time for release so this would also explain the reluctance to allow these things into the wild.
Ironic the times we live in where Engineers are available by the dozen but a REAL dev is hard to come by.

Anyway to be honest I don't give a crap what the user interface looks like, as long as these things hash like the clappers and turn off when they hit 105 degrees.



Pfffffft I feel this is a supposed religious experience. I am supposed to have faith in certain people... F it show me the goods.

when I was a kid..there was an honest to god UFO at sunset in town...it sat there...saucer-shaped with 3 proportionally placed eye-shaped windows...

So for the first 15 min or so ..people could not believe it was a UFO..the last 25 min it sat there people we're trying to figure out the best way to interact with

whatever when it landed (this is Minnesota.....I suspect someone would have offered potluck)..this was adults talking..I was a kid and could listen in...

IT was a weather balloon ....made into the shape of a UFO saucer, buy upper atmosphere winds pulling it into the shape of a saucer

the supposed windows were the USA in large letters on the side (1960's) again proportional

the top and bottom giant letters scrunched up in the saucer shape.....making the perfect eye-shaped windows..damn convincing to a whole town for 40 min so...

my point is a variety of folk can look at something with disbelief....then after a point of time accept it as fact...just to find out it was not factual at all


but anyway, the point is ....even with photo's stuff is not always what it seems....all the info...even compared to the above on this thread is flimsy

but even with a unit demo (like BFL) the particular product may never come to pass on a pre-order....like BFL never shipped in mass ...like KNC miners..who

took the pre-order money, built data halls with it and mined for 4-5 months ..then shipped the pre-oder Neptunes 7-8 months late that never ROI'd

We have dozens of cases of this happening (at least since I got in from 2013 on)


good intentions are great, hope is OK....proof is what is needed...and still...no Unicorn proof that I can tell yet on these miners

hopefuly, the above is a cautionary tale and the stuff exists....but as my UFO example above...sometimes it just ain't so!



Yes, Amen.

Its not proofed scam.
And its not proofed that a delivery will ever happen
And its not proofed that they maybe just assembled 20 testmachines with already known chips to make a -demo show- (UFO) for pre-order needs.
Even if each testmachine would be 10.000 USD - after pre-order they would be fine.

And like said from my very first post in here: We bought 20 to test and we want to support them, but we did not bough 100 or more pcs.
If we loose them its sad, but we dont count with them anyways.
But if we get them we hopefull have another competitor on the market.

I am in contact with Scott and I am waiting for a reply for visiting a testmachine in spain.
Hopefull he will get back to me after weekend.
I will visit this testmachine if possible and hopefull its not the UFO-story Wink


(I know this story, too. Even Matt Groening in his famous "Simpsons" made a story about the fake UFO news from USA. Maybe I am wrong - anyways - fun.)  Grin


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January 13, 2018, 10:44:25 PM
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I can assure you, once the firmware is in production mode, y’all are going to really like it... for more than one reason.

Stop teasing us. We need to wait until end of March to see production units delivered?

A few orders will go out in March. A majority in April.

What is the maximum order # that will go out in March? I want to see if I'm in!

Also will you offer a discount for the ones that pre-order from you?

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January 14, 2018, 01:49:15 AM
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A month and a half after a company who's website got registered days before announced a ground breaking product you would think there would be:

1: More videos.
2: Substantial updates to the website
3: A tweet newer than 2 Dec

They plan on mass-producing their DM8575 asic chip an selling it to third-parties, but nobody has seen this chip.  No pictures, no technical specifications, no pin-out diagrams.  Nothing you would need to be able design a new miner based on these chips.

As others have pointed out, the controller board is borrowed.  The main printed circuit board may actually be a prototype, but who's chips are on them?  The video even leaves question as to whether the power reading are real because you can't see if the power cord actually goes from the meter to the unit.

Designing new advanced silicon is difficult and costly.  That's why there's only a small number of big players. Improvements are done incrementally.

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January 14, 2018, 07:27:04 AM
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Yup, still a bunch of smoke and mirrors, deflection and doublespeak.  QuackQuack, QuackQuack. So scammy it reeks... Tongue

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January 14, 2018, 07:34:24 AM
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Wow... just read all 4,000 pages of this topic and now my head is spinning. What a mind-fu*k.

I guess the only part of this I don't understand, according to @offordscott is that Halong apparently doesn't seek or want any good PR. Or at least the kind this community sees as good. I'm not discounting the article they got. I'm just saying that it seems like it would have been so easy, so fast, to have avoided so much of all of this conflict. Maybe the product is so good, it does't matter. Maybe the LONG wait until March doesn't seem so long to Halong... so the "let the product speak for itself" thing seems like a great idea in their mind. And maybe it is.

But as a longtime CEO and business owner, I cringe at the idea that they didn't take a couple of easy, and very cheap, steps to quash almost ALL of this heartburn and angst right up front.

I haven't been in crypto long enough to have witnessed the scams of days gone by... so all I can do is kick back and watch what happens in March/April. I'm hopeful for everyone who placed orders. And I'm tempted to take up Scott on his offer to swing by and see one in action for myself (assuming that's still a thing).
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January 14, 2018, 12:09:12 PM
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Wow... just read all 4,000 pages of this topic and now my head is spinning. What a mind-fu*k.

I guess the only part of this I don't understand, according to @offordscott is that Halong apparently doesn't seek or want any good PR. Or at least the kind this community sees as good. I'm not discounting the article they got. I'm just saying that it seems like it would have been so easy, so fast, to have avoided so much of all of this conflict. Maybe the product is so good, it does't matter. Maybe the LONG wait until March doesn't seem so long to Halong... so the "let the product speak for itself" thing seems like a great idea in their mind. And maybe it is.

But as a longtime CEO and business owner, I cringe at the idea that they didn't take a couple of easy, and very cheap, steps to quash almost ALL of this heartburn and angst right up front.

I haven't been in crypto long enough to have witnessed the scams of days gone by... so all I can do is kick back and watch what happens in March/April. I'm hopeful for everyone who placed orders. And I'm tempted to take up Scott on his offer to swing by and see one in action for myself (assuming that's still a thing).


Yeah...this is the problem with this thread...no REAL proof the product exists....even folk just stumbling into this thread shake their heads on how this has been presented....

so IF the product exists .....and they are soooooo secretive why even have this thread?

on the other hand if a scam or if they plan on mining like hell these units and move some after the fact ...when the difficulty is so high it don't matter

maybe having this thread makes sense (if a scam) of if a fishing expedition on how to move used or excess product past the time it is worth buying

at their mining end game

I see no other real reasons than the above game plans, for their, to say the least. 'weird' way of saying they have a miner rig for sale, coming in March

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  Well it exists but in the meantime  I have been mining with other gear I purchased  simply because the builders of this gear do not understand how to treat a customer.


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  Well it exists but in the meantime  I have been mining with other gear I purchased  simply because the builders of this gear do not understand how to treat a customer.




Ok...on your word ...if you say it exists...it exists (ah a fine meal of crow.....yummy.... on my part) Sad

But, again, they still are playing this WAY to coy....so we will see if it is an overpriced (after we have mined the hell out scrypt-pow coins over months) at the end

of life sale....(we've both seen that game...the one the bitmain is playing until its equip ships (march orders) (read the disclaimer they don't have to ship till April

12th...thus a price pump...they can wait and mine longer before shipping imho)

fun times, never a dull moment

to those that bought these you have big ones!

(off to dine on crow...I dine on crow enough it is not a big deal....if you boil the crow with the ramen noodles you have 2 meals in one!)


 
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January 14, 2018, 02:32:59 PM
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I've recently been following this thread to try to find any valid info on the DragonMint.  So far I haven't seen anything extremely convincing that it's for real, however, the fact that Scott Offord is willing to stick his neck out for it in a very public way is courageous (or perhaps foolish).  Hopefully, he's not being manipulated by HalongMining or outright colluding.  What I have a hard time understanding is why no one on this forum, especially the legendaries who have great credibility here i.e. NotFuzzyWarm, will fly to Mr. Offord's home in WI, which he has openly offered, and check out his rig from HalongMining, and write a review here.  Obviously, this wouldn't necessarily be proof of any large scale operation, but it would potentially help relieve some of the doubt that exists around the DragonMint.  I read dimaze's account of his visit, but he's been inactive for 3 years on this forum, so his credibility is limited and exacerbated by the fact that his screen shot is like the Innosilicon A5 interface and he happens to live right there (?friend, ?paid accomplice). I'm sure that if the experts here posted their BTC address for donations for travel expenses, they wouldn't have trouble covering them.  I'd certainly donate for the cause, especially when one has to spend a minimum of 10K for 5 miners. 
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