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January 10, 2018, 11:14:40 AM
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I got email saying available, but when I viewed web page it wasn't possible to buy even thou it still said available.
WHAT THE?Huh

Use another browser ...

first thing I tried but same.
I tweeted them and they replied 'sold out'.

I'm starting to think I'll win the lottery before I can buy a miner  Angry Undecided
I know they sell out fast but this is beyond crazy.

Yeah. Seems to be sold out.
Well 1000 orders in 12 hours I know. (24 hours it was online ...)
Each order min. 5x ...
They sold 5000 to 10.000 pcs I guess - maybe even more if people are as crazy like me Tongue

just to let everyone know how this went down for me.

I view web site and said 'unavailable' so I clicked 'waitlist'
A few seconds later I received email saying 'back in stock' so I immediately clicked it where it said 'available' but no button to purchase.
I tweeted them and they said 'sold out'.

This all happen in a few seconds.
I'm finding it all a bit hard to believe like they're playing a joke on me.

Anyone else experience this?

I am NOT trying to be an asshole by writing thoi but:

IF IT is a scam:

Thais means they are "on their way out". Their telegram have a few hundred people only. They are not that popular or hot...how does it sell out so fast when it didnt before zzzz.

I suspect they sold very little or most probably sold nothing this round. They juz pretend to sell. Thats why u cant buy....to delay things as they cashout the money. They dont want more "buyers" complaining later.

I used to speculate on hyips back then. The only HYIPs that get investigated are the really popular ones with alot of victims like 12dailypro,etc.
Thus, by limiting the amount of victims, it should be unlikely to be investigated.

As for blame;

Scott - juz an admin, not even a sales rep (as he says) not his fault. (I have nothing against u buddy)
Adam back -he can claim to be a victim...true or not no one knows
Btcdrak - no one knows who this fellow is. His real name,etc. He is anonymous and can dissapear. There is some reddit thread about him creating an alt coin for easy money in the past....also we do not know true or not.
Slushpool - they already mention they do not endorse it and they sort of retract their initial statement. They are also not sure. The vid was done in their office but they arent sure how legit it is either...


And by april, these people would be gone and probably feel they have covered their tracks well. No investigation done as victims are not too many....only so many voices are complaining. If they sold 1 unit per person, they may have 5 times more victims and those voices may actually reach the ears of authorities. Thus, it is smart to have 1000+ orders on a single person, if possible. More money in the bank, less voices.

Also the webbie terms kinda says they are not responsible if things go wrong haha. Futuee halong mining sales should be open and closed very fast also i would think.

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And IF halong is not a scam:

Then, it is juz plain weird they way they act and I can go eat my shoes lol.

Not everything is right, but a lot.
But sometimes just a pinch can change it.

Jan Braiiners official give an statement to the DragonMint 16T and that HE SHOT the video inside the rooms of SlushPool.
How to fake it? Putting in more chips will lead to more power consumption.
All the work for a scam? There are more easy ways.

What is really left for the conspiracy hunters:
They build up this demo for scamming the nation and they never will produce it.

Everything else got proofed. Everything else I asked the people directly who are involved.
And I now got official contact with Halong and a nice good answer.

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More information will be coming out in the next few weeks. Hang tight.

And why they should answer right now?
If its a scam they wont answer anymore and keep care.


I wished all people who once said SCAM to Bitcoin would be forbidden to deal with them for 10 years.
That are those people laughing at me since years.
Same people who called me last year all the time and asking me if its time to invest.
Yes it was time, but I said them -NO- because I dont want shitbags in the network Tongue

Thats how Crypto is working. The scam is not the network. Its you, the non-believer, money-vultures and profit hunters  Grin
And I will always give the right people the right answer in my point of view.

Anyways what I am writing is always with a proof and I could show the eMail vom Mr. R.H. from Halong.
The message from Halong had more content, but ... its not time yet Smiley

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Hi everyone,

As promised, I did visit Scott today at his home. I want to thank Scott for inviting me to his home, he has a great family and he was pleasant in person. I spent about right under two hours discussing with Scott his history and connection to Halong Mining. From a personal perspective, I did a fair amount of vetting on Scott, and he definitely checks out as a local with a substantial backhistory. I personally am a very private individual, and I would not share the amount of information Scott shared about himself to the general public. I commend Scott for putting his neck out to this level, this is certainly not something everyone can do.

I was able to witness the machine in person. The form factor is similar to the S9, but there were some distinct differences in the machine, such as indicators. Scott also removed the control board for me and I inspected the control board, which it did not appear to be a S9 board, although it appeared similar in form factor as well. Scott did not allow me to disassemble the unit to view the interior, but it was a 3-chain ASIC from visual inspection. The power consumption was checked with consumption monitor units Scott had on hand, which did reflect accordingly when Scott turned the units on and off.

Scott requested I do not take photographs of the unit or certain parts of the mining interface, which I respected. I reviewed the settings on one of the units, and it did indeed match up with the assigned IP address we were accessing the miner.

Scott indicated there were big announcements due later this month, some of which he shared with me. I will respect Scott & Halong and let him discuss that in this thread if he wishes to do so.

I pulled up my post on the forums and took a screenshot of my laptop next to Scott's:


While I did not fulfill my objective of disassembling the miner and fully documenting the interior parts, I visually was able to confirm that miner was there, existed, and was accurate to the specifications sheet advertised.

Some things I cannot completely verify. For instance, I do not know the exact communication in writing Scott had with Drak aside from what he verbally told me. I do not know what is inside the miner exactly, with reference to the ASIC chains. I understand how competitive this market is, and I also could understand certain subversive elements to control the market, which I can respect the discrete nature of not allowing such details to be publicly available.

What am I personally doing? I am readying my cold wallet to withdraw funds to make a bulk purchase from Halong. I personally feel comfortable making a large purchase with what I have seen. I'll likely make a separate post about my journey with this pre-order and document the fulfillment experience. If I lose it, it's a small portion of my net worth in cryptos, and I'm able to share my experience. I feel with btcDrak's history, the significant other individuals that have commented on this hardware, that it is a legitimate source of future mining hardware. My suggestion to everyone is DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE IN RESEARCHING THE COMPANY! Visit Scott and check out the hardware yourself. There is no guarantee to anything in life, aside from taxes and death. Every time I've placed big orders with Bitmain, I always think of a scenario where bitcoin miners are banned, or something happens to my miners that I've already paid for. This will be no different with my order with Halong. I'm normally a big purchaser of Bitmain products, but that will be on hold for this year as I take this plunge with Halong.

I'm both excited for the prospect -- this reminds me of my first Avalon purchase, and the same level of excitement I had from KNC when the Jupiters rolled around. I am at the same time mortified that there always exists a chance of my investment turning into nothing. I'm very glad that I'm close to Scott in proximity, he's literally 25 minutes away from me.

I understand this may not ease a lot of minds about Halong, but I invite you all to follow me in my journey as I place a large bulk order with Halong soon.

Thank you for this post. I am crying in here since page 34 and giving proofs.
Lets see what the scam screamers now will find what is fake, not real or whatever Wink


I have a picture reflecting 99% of this thread Tongue

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Hi everyone,

As promised, I did visit Scott today at his home. I want to thank Scott for inviting me to his home, he has a great family and he was pleasant in person. I spent about right under two hours discussing with Scott his history and connection to Halong Mining. From a personal perspective, I did a fair amount of vetting on Scott, and he definitely checks out as a local with a substantial backhistory. I personally am a very private individual, and I would not share the amount of information Scott shared about himself to the general public. I commend Scott for putting his neck out to this level, this is certainly not something everyone can do.

I was able to witness the machine in person. The form factor is similar to the S9, but there were some distinct differences in the machine, such as indicators. Scott also removed the control board for me and I inspected the control board, which it did not appear to be a S9 board, although it appeared similar in form factor as well. Scott did not allow me to disassemble the unit to view the interior, but it was a 3-chain ASIC from visual inspection. The power consumption was checked with consumption monitor units Scott had on hand, which did reflect accordingly when Scott turned the units on and off.

Scott requested I do not take photographs of the unit or certain parts of the mining interface, which I respected. I reviewed the settings on one of the units, and it did indeed match up with the assigned IP address we were accessing the miner.

Scott indicated there were big announcements due later this month, some of which he shared with me. I will respect Scott & Halong and let him discuss that in this thread if he wishes to do so.

I pulled up my post on the forums and took a screenshot of my laptop next to Scott's:
https://i.imgur.com/dclVKAi.jpg

While I did not fulfill my objective of disassembling the miner and fully documenting the interior parts, I visually was able to confirm that miner was there, existed, and was accurate to the specifications sheet advertised.

Some things I cannot completely verify. For instance, I do not know the exact communication in writing Scott had with Drak aside from what he verbally told me. I do not know what is inside the miner exactly, with reference to the ASIC chains. I understand how competitive this market is, and I also could understand certain subversive elements to control the market, which I can respect the discrete nature of not allowing such details to be publicly available.

What am I personally doing? I am readying my cold wallet to withdraw funds to make a bulk purchase from Halong. I personally feel comfortable making a large purchase with what I have seen. I'll likely make a separate post about my journey with this pre-order and document the fulfillment experience. If I lose it, it's a small portion of my net worth in cryptos, and I'm able to share my experience. I feel with btcDrak's history, the significant other individuals that have commented on this hardware, that it is a legitimate source of future mining hardware. My suggestion to everyone is DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE IN RESEARCHING THE COMPANY! Visit Scott and check out the hardware yourself. There is no guarantee to anything in life, aside from taxes and death. Every time I've placed big orders with Bitmain, I always think of a scenario where bitcoin miners are banned, or something happens to my miners that I've already paid for. This will be no different with my order with Halong. I'm normally a big purchaser of Bitmain products, but that will be on hold for this year as I take this plunge with Halong.

I'm both excited for the prospect -- this reminds me of my first Avalon purchase, and the same level of excitement I had from KNC when the Jupiters rolled around. I am at the same time mortified that there always exists a chance of my investment turning into nothing. I'm very glad that I'm close to Scott in proximity, he's literally 25 minutes away from me.

I understand this may not ease a lot of minds about Halong, but I invite you all to follow me in my journey as I place a large bulk order with Halong soon.



Thank you and to Scott. Everything is clear. Idea of mining and crypto is based on believe. at this moment, we (personally me) have much more than that so please stop posting scammy posts and wasting so much time yours and ours.

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Hi everyone,

As promised, I did visit Scott today at his home. I want to thank Scott for inviting me to his home, he has a great family and he was pleasant in person. I spent about right under two hours discussing with Scott his history and connection to Halong Mining. From a personal perspective, I did a fair amount of vetting on Scott, and he definitely checks out as a local with a substantial backhistory. I personally am a very private individual, and I would not share the amount of information Scott shared about himself to the general public. I commend Scott for putting his neck out to this level, this is certainly not something everyone can do.

I was able to witness the machine in person. The form factor is similar to the S9, but there were some distinct differences in the machine, such as indicators. Scott also removed the control board for me and I inspected the control board, which it did not appear to be a S9 board, although it appeared similar in form factor as well. Scott did not allow me to disassemble the unit to view the interior, but it was a 3-chain ASIC from visual inspection. The power consumption was checked with consumption monitor units Scott had on hand, which did reflect accordingly when Scott turned the units on and off.

Scott requested I do not take photographs of the unit or certain parts of the mining interface, which I respected. I reviewed the settings on one of the units, and it did indeed match up with the assigned IP address we were accessing the miner.

Scott indicated there were big announcements due later this month, some of which he shared with me. I will respect Scott & Halong and let him discuss that in this thread if he wishes to do so.

I pulled up my post on the forums and took a screenshot of my laptop next to Scott's:


While I did not fulfill my objective of disassembling the miner and fully documenting the interior parts, I visually was able to confirm that miner was there, existed, and was accurate to the specifications sheet advertised.

Some things I cannot completely verify. For instance, I do not know the exact communication in writing Scott had with Drak aside from what he verbally told me. I do not know what is inside the miner exactly, with reference to the ASIC chains. I understand how competitive this market is, and I also could understand certain subversive elements to control the market, which I can respect the discrete nature of not allowing such details to be publicly available.

What am I personally doing? I am readying my cold wallet to withdraw funds to make a bulk purchase from Halong. I personally feel comfortable making a large purchase with what I have seen. I'll likely make a separate post about my journey with this pre-order and document the fulfillment experience. If I lose it, it's a small portion of my net worth in cryptos, and I'm able to share my experience. I feel with btcDrak's history, the significant other individuals that have commented on this hardware, that it is a legitimate source of future mining hardware. My suggestion to everyone is DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE IN RESEARCHING THE COMPANY! Visit Scott and check out the hardware yourself. There is no guarantee to anything in life, aside from taxes and death. Every time I've placed big orders with Bitmain, I always think of a scenario where bitcoin miners are banned, or something happens to my miners that I've already paid for. This will be no different with my order with Halong. I'm normally a big purchaser of Bitmain products, but that will be on hold for this year as I take this plunge with Halong.

I'm both excited for the prospect -- this reminds me of my first Avalon purchase, and the same level of excitement I had from KNC when the Jupiters rolled around. I am at the same time mortified that there always exists a chance of my investment turning into nothing. I'm very glad that I'm close to Scott in proximity, he's literally 25 minutes away from me.

I understand this may not ease a lot of minds about Halong, but I invite you all to follow me in my journey as I place a large bulk order with Halong soon.



Thank you and to Scott. Everything is clear. The idea of mining and crypto is based on belief, at this moment, we (personally me) have much more than that so please stop posting scammy posts and wasting so much time yours and ours.





and....I still call this a scam.....I mean .....we have folk (legit folk on bitcointalk) who have taken a leap of faith and ordered...but am I correct to hear that it is March or April
delivery ....even if they DO exist?

IF by the by these units DO exist (and or others, I hear rumors of) then we all better start praying to the ASIC gods for LTC and scrypt pow to pump in price...or they will make

very nice doorstops indeed..... Smiley

but again, still calling it a scam..thou I too would like to believe in fairies...hope for those who have ordered I am incorrect...but just can't see this as not a scam....


 
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January 10, 2018, 01:40:01 PM
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No need to believe,

just see this advice which Scott also agreed on:

Amen!! Preach that old time religion, brotha!


That's why my advice is to wait until March, when first customers are scheduled to get their miners delivered.

After they have proven themself, it is more safe to buy from them.

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@Searing

I give up...

calling it a scam is just telling lies. Nobody has a proof that its scam!
You are scamming, by telling the people its a scam.
Maybe a little yellow submarine from Bitmain? They are paying a lot for shitstorm on miners Wink
I have no proof for it like you. So from now on the scam screamers are little yellow terrorists for me until they proofed they are not (and I will not accept any proof).
ID cards can be a fake Wink
Your fu... face is just a copy Wink
The facebook is maybe overtaken ... etc.


For Halong:
There are enough proofs from legit people, demonstrations from known big players and comments from bloggers which are 100% confirmed as real.

People who still call it a scam just are those kind of people the world always had.

The earth is flat.
Burn her, she is a witch.
Battles in the believe of god.
Nobody was on the moon.

and my favorites ...

A black cat or friday the 13th are bad signs.

But anyways: The DRAGONMINT 16T is real and its not a scam. 100% proofed.
If something will go wrong on the first mass production batch ... delivery ... whatever ... we will see.

But its not an initial scam like some others in the past.

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^ In which part of my post did you see the word "scam"?

You are a really difficult person to have reasonable conversation with.

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^ In which part of my post did you see the word "scam"?

You are a really difficult person to have reasonable conversation with.

Did I quote you? No. Your post was fine.

Edit: its @Searing not @HagssFIN

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You can think what you want to,

but I'm just being realistic here.

I think we must agree to disagree.

End of story.

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WTF are you smoking?!




but again, still calling it a scam..thou I too would like to believe in fairies...hope for those who have ordered I am incorrect...but just can't see this as not a scam....



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Edit: its @Searing not @HagssFIN

Ah, okay then.

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<snip>
But anyways: The DRAGONMINT 16T is real and its not a scam. 100% proofed.
If something will go wrong on the first mass production batch ... delivery ... whatever ... we will see.

But its not an initial scam like some others in the past.
Finally *something* with at least a little meat on it has been presented to us here so yes, I for one am dropping the scam tag for now.

Now as to if the design is ready for mass production -- as you said, that remains to be seen. That point is where BFL, AMT/Bitmine.ch, and others blew up. What turned them from just a design gone bad into scammers is the fact that long after their design and production issues were known not only to the companies but their customers as well they continued the pre-orders to suck in mega$$$ instead of stopping further 'sales' until they actually had a viable product.

I am still baffled as to why Halong took such a totally wrong approach to this release. An unknown company putting up a website, pushing out a bunch of PR's to web sites known for embracing pay-for-placement, giving virtually zero information about the design and then asking for >3month out pre-orders? Given the history of the failed miner makers here what the hell did they think would be the result?.

If they feel they need to be so secretive about their company & design and have no need for pre-order financing then they should have remained in stealth mode until they are ready to do a full release with the 1st batch from stock. Once seen in the wild, sure, then go to the pre-order model if they insist.

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But anyways: The DRAGONMINT 16T is real and its not a scam. 100% proofed.
If something will go wrong on the first mass production batch ... delivery ... whatever ... we will see.

But its not an initial scam like some others in the past.
Finally *something* with meat on it has been presented to us here so yes, I for one am dropping the scam tag for now.
Now as to if the design is ready for mass production -- as you said, that remains to be seen. That point is where BFL and AMT/Bitmine.ch blew up.

I am still baffled as to why Halong took such a totally wrong approach to this release. An unknown company putting up a website, pushing out a bunch of PR's to web sites known for embracing pay-for-placement, giving virtually zero information about the design and then asking for >3month out pre-orders? Given the history of miner failed miner makers here what the hell did they think would be the result?.

If they feel they need to be so secretive about the design and have no need for pre-order financing they they should have remained in stealth mode until they are ready to do a full release....

I hope I got it WHY they did it like this.

You see them in problems on selling? No. Why they should make more proof? Proof is money and time. Time they dont have right now.
Nobody is telling you that its safe and maybe the owner cannot sleep for the last weeks/month! I was present on big projects of world leading companies. Its not FUN. Only at the end with success it can maybe turn into fun.

The information was delivered to insider sites, people, communities, blogger whatever. For insiders to insiders.
People who are deep inside crypto and the scene and not just know 2 names (Bitcoin - Satoshi). And those "Insider-Users" or "Old-Guys" know that BtcDrak was called a scammer so many times before (VIAcoin, Core Code, etc.)
And at the end? He always fullfilled his words to 100%. Yes we dont know the real name of him. But ... hey ... we are stakeholder and miners on a coin nobody even knows if its one person, a group or whatever stands for Satoshi Nakamoto Wink

Back to roots. Back to basic. Back to decentralization. Back to the people and the believers in a new system to the people for the people and with the people.
Not back to mass commercial ads. I really hope and have the feeling that Halong will be an important name soon.
And I hope that they will benefit the believers who bought the first batches until delivery of Batch1 is done. (maybe with x%-off-codes for evey miner bought or whatever)
Not because they sell what they have. Because WHY they decided to sell it. To get back to more different nodes and people. They could do it like Bitfury. Just big customers for the container solution or selling the chips to assemblers.
They decided to give it to all people - who believe in them of course.

I myself missed the first Batch order and was crying whole december about that after I read some names on this DragonMint and I found the official statements in some tweets, posts and whatever I am connected to today.

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If they feel they need to be so secretive about the design and have no need for pre-order financing they they should have remained in stealth mode until they are ready to do a full release....

They waited as long as possible. Its NOW the first release.
Offer. Payment. Manufacturing. Testing. Shipping. This is a process of 4-5 month in normal.

Like you can see with Bitmain its possible to get it in 2-3 month once the system is running and I am still have an open mouth on it sometimes. I know which ways and processes have to run and its fast.

No chip will ever be produced by Bitmain if the pre-selling is not full. No risk on producing = no risk on money = cheaper product
Maybe today they pre-assemble more chips and/or have a little stock on parts to be faster. I have no idea.

Halong and all other Asic-Manufactures need the same advantage, but they are not as trustfull.
Once Bitmain started this system of a non ready product, but you can pre-buy it, they took over a lot of market power and nobody saw it.
Because try to think of you are starting your own ASIC. Everything is ready (after 30Mio. USD) and now you want to produce 30.000 pieces for 1000 USD each.
Another 3Mio USD?! (just a sample price!)
Now its time to get money in. Say Hello to the world. Show the product.

Halong did, but in a nice way. That is what I hope to see between the lines.

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You have it all wrong. Halong did no PR. Syan Technologies did a bunch of self-published press releases about their liquid-cooled Vega Home miner series. They pumped out their own promotional propaganda.

Halong Mining, on the otherhand, was interviewed by a reputable third party. Bitcoin Magazine chose to publish a valid piece on the topic. There is a big difference in pushing your agenda (via online press release distribution services) and getting interviewed by a real, objective writer.

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You have it all wrong. Halong did no PR. Syan Technologies did a bunch of self-published press releases about their liquid-cooled Vega Home miner series. They pumped out their own promotional propaganda.

Halong Mining, on the otherhand, was interviewed by a reputable third party. Bitcoin Magazine chose to publish a valid piece on the topic. There is a big difference in pushing your agenda (via online press release distribution services) and getting interviewed by a real, objective writer.

Yeah. No official PR. Just insiders got an information. That is what I understand right now, too.

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@Searing

I give up...

calling it a scam is just telling lies. Nobody has a proof that its scam!
You are scamming, by telling the people its a scam.
Maybe a little yellow submarine from Bitmain? They are paying a lot for shitstorm on miners Wink
I have no proof for it like you. So from now on the scam screamers are little yellow terrorists for me until they proofed they are not (and I will not accept any proof).
ID cards can be a fake Wink
Your fu... face is just a copy Wink
The facebook is maybe overtaken ... etc.


For Halong:
There are enough proofs from legit people, demonstrations from known big players and comments from bloggers which are 100% confirmed as real.

People who still call it a scam just are those kind of people the world always had.

The earth is flat.
Burn her, she is a witch.
Battles in the believe of god.
Nobody was on the moon.

and my favorites ...

A black cat or friday the 13th are bad signs.

But anyways: The DRAGONMINT 16T is real and its not a scam. 100% proofed.
If something will go wrong on the first mass production batch ... delivery ... whatever ... we will see.

But its not an initial scam like some others in the past.


I call it as I see it....you seem to have faith it is true...me....NOT so much...

time will tell....

but to be clear...as an example BFL had units...in 2013 and 2014...BFL gave out units month in advance of launch to news organizations they worked great
they had millions pour in.....and they never delivered in mass and in the end the corporation took the hit...the folk doing the scam paid a meager fine..
(The three main folk, pointed out by SEC...the highest fine they paid each, was only 1 person and I think was 33k)

This was a USA company with 'supposed' consumer protection laws.....

so all that you say may be true...but the way they are playing this seems like an old BFL play/Gaw Miner/Alpha-Tech..the long con and mine themselves at best

if the product exists....most likely will never exist in the masses they claim to ship....

again, I am just not buying it.......too many red flags....of the above scam's of the past....too easy to just fix those issues with the proper launch/demo/review

nope....maybe I'm wrong..maybe I'm not...but SCAM is how it looks to me

(hopefully, I am wrong and won't rain on your parade) but how I call it


 
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January 10, 2018, 04:26:12 PM
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@Searing

I give up...

calling it a scam is just telling lies. Nobody has a proof that its scam!
You are scamming, by telling the people its a scam.
Maybe a little yellow submarine from Bitmain? They are paying a lot for shitstorm on miners Wink
I have no proof for it like you. So from now on the scam screamers are little yellow terrorists for me until they proofed they are not (and I will not accept any proof).
ID cards can be a fake Wink
Your fu... face is just a copy Wink
The facebook is maybe overtaken ... etc.


For Halong:
There are enough proofs from legit people, demonstrations from known big players and comments from bloggers which are 100% confirmed as real.

People who still call it a scam just are those kind of people the world always had.

The earth is flat.
Burn her, she is a witch.
Battles in the believe of god.
Nobody was on the moon.

and my favorites ...

A black cat or friday the 13th are bad signs.

But anyways: The DRAGONMINT 16T is real and its not a scam. 100% proofed.
If something will go wrong on the first mass production batch ... delivery ... whatever ... we will see.

But its not an initial scam like some others in the past.


I call it as I see it....you seem to have faith it is true...me....NOT so much...

time will tell....

but to be clear...as an example BFL had units...in 2013 and 2014...BFL gave out units month in advance of launch to news organizations they worked great
they had millions pour in.....and they never delivered in mass and in the end the corporation took the hit...the folk doing the scam paid a meager fine..
(The three main folk, pointed out by SEC...the highest fine they paid each, was only 1 person and I think was 33k)

This was a USA company with 'supposed' consumer protection laws.....

so all that you say may be true...but the way they are playing this seems like an old BFL play/Gaw Miner/Alpha-Tech..the long con and mine themselves at best

if the product exists....most likely will never exist in the masses they claim to ship....

again, I am just not buying it.......too many red flags....of the above scam's of the past....too easy to just fix those issues with the proper launch/demo/review

nope....maybe I'm wrong..maybe I'm not...but SCAM is how it looks to me

(hopefully, I am wrong and won't rain on your parade) but how I call it



You are a chinese guy from bitmain and payed for beeing a liar.
Spying the people and telling lies to manipulate the market.
I see the scam in here now. It is "Searing". He is not real and a criminal stealing the money of people.
Better block him and never pay attention on his words.

Beware of this user he is a liar and trying to scam you.




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Normally with little children its working to face them with their own behavior.
And if not ... the level can be raised.

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January 10, 2018, 04:34:35 PM
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They were available for a day. Now they're sold out and you can't order anymore. If this was a scam and they didn't exist, wouldn't they just keep it open and make as much money as possible before disappearing? Understand the mind of a scammer.
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January 10, 2018, 04:38:38 PM
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With those high profile names like Adam Back backing up their story at this state I don't think they are complete scam yet I still don't understand why can't they provide a full youtube demo or some detailed photos of the actual product.

Can people really hack/reverse engineer a miner just by looking at its photos?




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