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March 06, 2018, 04:41:16 PM
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They just launched a Decred ASIC - 2100GH/900w -- Shipping in 2-3 weeks

https://halongmining.com/shop/dragonmint-b29-blake256-miner/?bundle_quantity_11=1

$10499

At least shipping is free! Monero, LTC, and Ethereum payment options too.

Let's see if it makes waves like the A3 did. Will Bitmain have a response?!

I ended up purchasing some units with bitcoin. I'll let you guys know how this turns out.

One thing added to the list of similarities with Innosilicon -> their pricing is in the same high amount category as it was with the Inno A5.  Cheesy

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March 06, 2018, 05:23:43 PM
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They just launched a Decred ASIC - 2100GH/900w -- Shipping in 2-3 weeks

https://halongmining.com/shop/dragonmint-b29-blake256-miner/?bundle_quantity_11=1

$10499

At least shipping is free! Monero, LTC, and Ethereum payment options too.

Let's see if it makes waves like the A3 did. Will Bitmain have a response?!

I ended up purchasing some units with bitcoin. I'll let you guys know how this turns out.

If bitmain has a response, it will be to put out functional gear, not just sell a spec sheet like Halong has done.

Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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March 06, 2018, 05:57:28 PM
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They just launched a Decred ASIC - 2100GH/900w -- Shipping in 2-3 weeks

https://halongmining.com/shop/dragonmint-b29-blake256-miner/?bundle_quantity_11=1

$10499

At least shipping is free! Monero, LTC, and Ethereum payment options too.

Let's see if it makes waves like the A3 did. Will Bitmain have a response?!

I ended up purchasing some units with bitcoin. I'll let you guys know how this turns out.

Wow. $10,500/pc.  Think I will sit this one out.  Can't imagine sending $10k+ to these guys since they have not delivered even one miner yet. 

Now, you can only pray that Bitmain doesn't come out with the "DC3" (1.2th @ $2,300) to smash profits down to $30/day.  That's the real risk here.

Good luck and keep us updated.


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March 06, 2018, 06:06:34 PM
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It's March already, but Halong Mining still hasn't opened their 'curtain of secrecy'.

So I'm gonna open it a little more, this time by pointing the similar details in the software section.
I have mentioned this earlier, but now I made a comparison picture.

This screenshot which I have compared here with my Innosilicon A5 web conf page view, was originally
posted by dimaze back in January. It's a picture showing the miner web conf page view open in offordscott's laptop pc.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2443327.msg27812864#msg27812864


Screenshot comparison. Click to show a high-resolution image.

I also quoted my old posts here, so that the hardware details can also be compared and it's easier to get the full picture at once.

First guys to soon receive a Dragonmint unit, please check your machine if we can find out some more information to clear out this 'bermuda triangle' theory.  Cheesy

I highly suspect that Innosilicon hardware is involved in the Dragonmint unit.

Halong Mining Innosilicon DragonMint 16Th/s  ?

Still haven't got any replies from Halong or Inno for my questions about this.

This partnership with Myrig.com is the most positive thing that has happened so far,

but I'm affraid their retail price will be really really high, the same as with the S9 miners.

Some new images are uploaded in the Myrig.com shop.

I managed to find the high-res images, they were 'hidden'.

See this Imgur album for the picture found at DragonMint product page: https://imgur.com/a/WaHLd


We can finally have a slightly little better look at the miner.

For cooling there seems to be two pieces Delta TFC1212DE, front and back, in a push-pull configuration.

And I think I now know why the miner web configuration page was just like with the Innosilicon A5 and A4+.
The DragonMint miner has the exact same controller board.
See it for yourself, here is a picture for comparison: https://i.imgur.com/jxHeSP6.jpg


Also the steel case tube looks a lot like the one Innosilicon uses for the A5 and A4+.

Maybe the Halong Mining actually has a subcontract for these miners to be manufactured by Innosilicon?

And another design comparison here (pay attention to the controller with this image as well): https://i.imgur.com/a9sZcJa.jpg

I surely can't be the only one who sees these similiar design details?

One detail to also pay attention  is that the Innosilicon control board uses reversed PWM signal for the cooling fan control.
This method is not that commonly used.
Delta TFC1212DE are cooling fans that are controlled with a reversed PWM signal.
DragonMint and Innosilicon A4+, A5 miners use these cooling fans.
This detail also supports my theory.

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March 06, 2018, 06:12:27 PM
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You can pretty easily tell that bitmain cares not at all about halong mining being a competitor. I mean just look at how they mocked Halong with https://tulipmining.com/

Bitmain is over there doing 2 billion USD a year in miner sales. They have no competition when it comes to larger customers. I mean if you have the money and rep, you can call bitmain and have 6000 s9s delivered before Halong even finishes shipping singles to people, and at a WAY better price.


Bitmain  sells 3x the hashing power of all other companies combined.

But for a guy like me  the most efficient power is important.  The solar array spring summer power cap is about 18kwatts.

that is  160-170 th  of s-9's  as I know the s-9's do about .11 watts a gh at the wall.

or 240 th of dragonmints if they do 1200 watts and 16th

I need the extra 70-80th.


Most likely they will do 220th vs 170th this is meaningful for me.


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March 06, 2018, 06:15:10 PM
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Having one of their reps close to me is assuring. Mix that with Yoshi's involvement and Drak's history, I'm feeling okay with my purchase. We'll know at the end of this month for certain!

The only concern I have is Bitmain dropping a bombshell undercutting the delivery and pricing with a combination of flooding the market in a similar time frame. The Decred Dragons having a 2.5-3.5 week lead time is much better than waiting months.

Ordered within a few minutes of it going active, it went from payment processing, paid, to actual order processing now.

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March 06, 2018, 06:26:46 PM
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It's March already, but Halong Mining still hasn't opened their 'curtain of secrecy'.

So I'm gonna open it a little more, this time by pointing the similar details in the software section.
I have mentioned this earlier, but now I made a comparison picture.

This screenshot which I have compared here with my Innosilicon A5 web conf page view, was originally
posted by dimaze back in January. It's a picture showing the miner web conf page view open in offordscott's laptop pc.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2443327.msg27812864#msg27812864

I've never dealt with the A5's, but the interface certainly looked very similar now that I look into that. I vaguely recall the PSU having something to do with Innosilicon as well, I think they may be partnering with them for the PSUs.

My guess is they're taking the best features out of all the interfaces and putting them together for a superior one.

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March 06, 2018, 08:12:06 PM
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I highly suspect that Innosilicon hardware is involved in the Dragonmint unit.


Screenshot comparison. Click to show a high-resolution image.


You definitely have a reason to suspect that! It almost looks as if, they pulled the "Innosilicon" header out of the screen
specifically for the pictures. Super sneaky, but in a super amateur way!

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March 06, 2018, 08:15:25 PM
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Yeah they have definitely decided not to show 100% of the miner conf page by zooming into the up right corner of the page,
and I think it is connected somehow to what I have noticed.

Maybe they don't want to be connected to Innosilicon after all the mess Inno has had.

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March 06, 2018, 08:56:47 PM
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Yeah they have definitely decided not to show 100% of the miner conf page by zooming into the up right corner of the page,
and I think it is connected somehow to what I have noticed.

Maybe they don't want to be connected to Innosilicon after all the mess Inno has had.

The only striking difference I can see is that the font is bold on the Innosilicon version and not on the Halong one.

So frustrating how closed off they’ve been.
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March 07, 2018, 08:30:03 AM
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So here is the explanation for why there's been so much secrecy surrounding this hardware till now.

https://twitter.com/HalongMining/status/971295384491515904

DragonMint Bitcoin miners have AsicBoost inside!

Understand this is overt asicboost protected by the open defensive patent license meaning anyone can use it, and is not harmful to the network unlike covert. Ckpool and slush have support for this as it requires explicit poolside support, new stratum extensions, and cgminer needs to be modified to work with it.

Go nuts now.

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March 07, 2018, 08:46:43 AM
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Short update here:-

1. DragonMint's have version-rolling AsicBoost support (reference).
2. Shipping will begin around March 15 - 22, but there's a lot to ship so please be patient.
3. Shipped version number will be T1, not 16T due to some mixup with Russian import documents that cannot be changed in time.
4. This picture is legit and the final version that will ship https://twitter.com/MyRig_com/status/971205544533835776
5. Phillip will get a demo machine once the shipping starts. But the reason for the secrecy was AsicBoost capability could be revealed before the patent holder opened the patent. This is unfortunate, we would have preferred more openness, but it is what it is, patents suck, but in this case, the patent can help protect the Bitcoin ecosystem. Now we're so close to shipping, we'll just give a demo machine to phillip once we ship.

Some references:-

https://blockchaindpl.org/
https://www.emergingtechlaw.org/analysis/creating-the-blockchain-defensive-patent-license420182
https://www.asicboost.com/single-post/2018/03/01/opening-asicboost-for-defensive-use/
https://blog.bitmex.com/defensive-patent-licence/
https://blog.bitmex.com/graphical-illustration-of-a-bitcoin-block/
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/there-bitcoin-patent-war-going-initiative-could-end-it/
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/slush-pool-now-compatible-asicboost-miners/
http://stratumprotocol.org/

The following pools are already version-rolling compatible: slushpool.com, ckpool.org, bitcoin-india.org
The following software is patched or has pull requests open or about to being worked on: btcpool, ckpool, cgminer
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March 07, 2018, 09:04:00 AM
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Fascinating developments.

Despite my initial qualms about this miner, it appears more and more likely that this is the real deal, and I’m relieved for all those guys who’ve prepurchased them.
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March 07, 2018, 09:07:20 AM
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5. Phillip will get a demo machine once the shipping starts. But the reason for the secrecy was AsicBoost capability could be revealed before the patent holder opened the patent. This is unfortunate, we would have preferred more openness, but it is what it is, patents suck, but in this case, the patent can help protect the Bitcoin ecosystem. Now we're so close to shipping, we'll just give a demo machine to phillip once we ship.

That's great news!  Looking forward for Phil having his hands on it.  Smiley

Thank you for explaining what was the reason for the small amount of details before product release, it makes sense now.

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Last edit: March 07, 2018, 07:40:09 PM by frodocooper
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So here is the explanation for why there's been so much secrecy surrounding this hardware till now...

I see. So it is 1480 watts at 16th, about 92.5w/th. Thats about 13-15% better than S9 and about the same as the Ebit 10 miner if i recall right.
Creating 3 different miners in 3 months is fast.



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March 07, 2018, 12:08:45 PM
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Also, we can now understand why it was tested in the SlushPool only.

Only few pools support/will have a support for AsicBoost at the moment.

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March 07, 2018, 01:08:55 PM
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Short update here:-

1. DragonMint's have version-rolling AsicBoost support (reference).
2. Shipping will begin around March 15 - 22, but there's a lot to ship so please be patient.
3. Shipped version number will be T1, not 16T due to some mixup with Russian import documents that cannot be changed in time.
4. This picture is legit and the final version that will ship https://twitter.com/MyRig_com/status/971205544533835776
5. Phillip will get a demo machine once the shipping starts. But the reason for the secrecy was AsicBoost capability could be revealed before the patent holder opened the patent. This is unfortunate, we would have preferred more openness, but it is what it is, patents suck, but in this case, the patent can help protect the Bitcoin ecosystem. Now we're so close to shipping, we'll just give a demo machine to phillip once we ship.

Some references:-

https://blockchaindpl.org/
https://www.emergingtechlaw.org/analysis/creating-the-blockchain-defensive-patent-license420182
https://www.asicboost.com/single-post/2018/03/01/opening-asicboost-for-defensive-use/
https://blog.bitmex.com/defensive-patent-licence/
https://blog.bitmex.com/graphical-illustration-of-a-bitcoin-block/
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/there-bitcoin-patent-war-going-initiative-could-end-it/
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/slush-pool-now-compatible-asicboost-miners/
http://stratumprotocol.org/

The following pools are already version-rolling compatible: slushpool.com, ckpool.org, bitcoin-india.org
The following software is patched or has pull requests open or about to being worked on: btcpool, ckpool, cgminer


Thanks  a very nice thing to read this morning.

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March 07, 2018, 01:55:14 PM
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So is it 16 TH/S only on an ASICBOOST pool? How does that number adjust for a non-ASICBOOST pool?
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March 07, 2018, 02:20:37 PM
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Very happy day today for all those who took the risk back in November.  Cheesy
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March 07, 2018, 02:30:35 PM
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Very happy day today for all those who took the risk back in November.  Cheesy

Money was held a long time but looks like they will get some returns now.

Very tough to lay money out in Nov and wait till March about a 120 day delay.

But the Black Friday prices were good under 2k if I recall correctly.

If these do 16 x 92 = 1450 watts at the wall they will be a decent piece of gear.

I can not wait to run it.

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