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March 16, 2018, 07:30:09 PM
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Still waiting on shipping and invoice for my demo.

Maybe  the few days I hope Kiss

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March 16, 2018, 07:34:35 PM
Last edit: March 17, 2018, 09:31:44 AM by frodocooper
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The R&D costs associated with making AsicBoost a reality, including the legal costs to secure the patent, must have been substantial. Halong Mining didn't invent or create AsicBoost. Someone had to fund the production of small batches of wafers, etc. to test it and iterate during AsicBoost's proof-of-concept and subsequent development.

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Well, bitmain has flooded sha256 miners everywhere. Bitmain doesnt buy it clearly. They probably have an idea of how much dragon has spent and they are making it difficult for dragon to make that money back. Now, litecoin mining is more profitable than bitcoin mining. If u see the V9 thread, everyone is saying the V9 is new, not old products. It is possible that they created the cheaper V9 just to flood the market. This is speculation.
I mean u dont see a cheaper litecoin miner being released but u do see a cheaper sha256 V9 miner. (No one would want this to occur)

I hope dragon is smart and be more like baikal in future, that is, to focus on algos that does not compete with bitmain. It is better this way as dragon will be able to sell more miners and at the same time, the buyers do not get the same algo flooded by bitmain, a win-win situation. Although yes, apparently baikal released a monero miner and bitmain had that too... coincidentally. Bitmain probably had it for awhile, but just unreleased back then. It happens. It also makes u wonder if there is an S11 unreleased somewhere. And really no offense buddy but u are a new account and all your posts are in the halong thread. It doesnt make sense to mention the 30 million cost is incurred by others when it is your own product and it is mentioned to convince buyers that alot has been done to make the product. The previous and next sentences also mention the company and its efforts only. Also, that unicornflex fellow who claims 50-100 million sales is a new account with 1 post. I dont believe anyone will put big orders for an untested product and I am unsure how such info was discovered. I believe that is just marketing talk. Anyways, bitmain wants to compete and they compete fiercely. Hopefully, this goes well for all. Well, at least the dragon decred miner doesnt clash with another product.
Look at the current baikal-n. It clashed with bitmain and they released X3 which is better and the new x-3 batch is far cheaper than baikal-n. Unfortunately, monero will hard fork, so, it probably wont matter lol



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March 19, 2018, 04:16:15 AM
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Well, bitmain has flooded sha256 miners everywhere...

As much as it would hurt us miners, I have to disagree. I think it is imperative that Halong keep trying to break Bitmain's monopoly and SHA256D Asics become widespread. Profitability may be very VERY low, but at least the big guys would feel the pain as well.



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March 19, 2018, 06:52:43 AM
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As much as it would hurt us miners, I have to disagree. I think it is imperative that Halong keep trying to break Bitmain's monopoly and SHA256D Asics become widespread. Profitability may be very VERY low, but at least the big guys would feel the pain as well.

Wat is the point of everyone feeling pain when u could have a case of unsatisfied customer service but alot of profits?
Overcapacity leads to wastage. All we will have is alot more money wasted on designing new asics, alot more power wasted by more asics, lesser profits for everyone and environment becoming dirtier (due to power generation by coals). It doesnt serve decentralization either because bitmain sells to everyone anyways.

I get the idea people dont like bitmain customer service but boohoo, competitors of bitmain are worse at it and in general, thats how customer service is in alot of chinese companies...



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March 19, 2018, 09:02:30 AM
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Dude, u can have your view and I can have mine. And there are others who share my view. Juz look at the marketplace and perhaps do some basic maths om holding bitcoin against mining bitcoin in the last 1 year. My last job was working in a trading house. I was there for a few years. Part if our team's job was to identify overcapacity/undersupplied markets and poasibly speculate on it.

I dunno where u live but my country has freedom of speech. U are quite insane to think anyone who hold opposite views cannot be heard.
Newsflash, there are also alot of people who are negative on mining, not just me. Go check the marketplace section on good deals on miners and go read about what happened to antminer D3 miners. They lost tons of money. The S9 will be like the D3 id an S11 comes out now, among other things.

Feel free to put me on ignore if u are one of those people who need to only hear the good stuff and u cant handle both sides of the coin. I am a miner myself. I was bullish and I bought miners. Thus, it is no fun for me when things turn bad. But facts r facts even if it sucks for me too.



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March 19, 2018, 11:49:57 AM
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Your 2 cents, which by now is hovering around  $1.84

Damn good return if you ask me.
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March 19, 2018, 08:57:27 PM
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Quick update I am still waiting on demo info.

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March 20, 2018, 02:36:46 PM
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Still waiting for demo to review it.

I was looking for five units 1 then 4
Hoping for contact this week for demo



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March 20, 2018, 10:49:44 PM
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Still waiting for demo to review it.

I was looking for five units 1 then 4
Hoping for contact this week for demo

Awaiting your details --- in 4-6 weeks the regular shipping should be done.

Anyways the final countdown Wink

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March 20, 2018, 10:52:44 PM
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After all these posts and weird things in this thread,
I will be so happy when people actually start receiving these units.

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March 21, 2018, 02:11:30 AM
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So is the extra 2 TH/s in the DragonMint only due to the ASICBoost when compared to the S9?  I am interested in seeing tests of these machines when they come in.
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March 21, 2018, 02:22:57 AM
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So is the extra 2 TH/s in the DragonMint only due to the ASICBoost when compared to the S9?  I am interested in seeing tests of these machines when they come in.
Asicboost does not in itself increase hashrate, it decreases power usage. If you use that advantage by making your silicon fixed to only work with asicboost, it affords you extra space on the chip which means you can put more hashing units on it. Strictly speaking the answer is no, but yes Smiley

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March 21, 2018, 02:27:46 AM
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So is the extra 2 TH/s in the DragonMint only due to the ASICBoost when compared to the S9?  I am interested in seeing tests of these machines when they come in.
Asicboost does not in itself increase hashrate, it decreases power usage. If you use that advantage by making your silicon fixed to only work with asicboost, it affords you extra space on the chip which means you can put more hashing units on it. Strictly speaking the answer is no, but yes Smiley

Thanks, that answers the whole $30 million debate.  They might have spent money elsewhere.  We are budgeted $16 million for 7nm BTC ASIC.  I do give Halong a lot of credit for making all of this happen.  If all the miners check out it is a big feat.

The patents are little weird, as the chip mask at the foundry is the patent.  It is a hard patent.

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I looked into this BPDL license as it pertains to what I am working on.

This may be a big issue for any manufacturer wanting to use Halong version of Overt ASICBoost.

From: https://blog.bitmex.com/defensive-patent-licence/

"The second loophole is fixed by adding a new term to the licence. This is a requirement that specifies that the licence will be revoked if members use any patent licensed by a third party, when such a licence “is or is likely to be” enforced and restricted from use by another BDPL member. This should prevent a scenario such as the one illustrated above."

Correct me if I am wrong, that means that if I build a system that I have to rely on either the other BPDL license holders and their IP or open source.  That could be huge issue in the semiconductor space as proprietary IP is everywhere and means you can't use it if you don't get a license for everyone in the BPDL.

This may require everyone to come up a patent beating ASICBoost type solution or some alternate ways to optimize, which luckily there are.
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March 21, 2018, 03:24:19 AM
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Has Halong released their version of cgminer that supports overt asicboost? I'm curious to see how the finding the colliding work items has been implemented.
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March 21, 2018, 04:04:04 AM
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Has Halong released their version of cgminer that supports overt asicboost? I'm curious to see how the finding the colliding work items has been implemented.
Not yet, no. They'll have 30 days from delivering hardware to release their software under the terms of the GPL (provided someone asks for the code who has the hardware.) If they don't release it after that time, I will myself anyway since I've been working on their driver for the last 2 weeks.

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March 21, 2018, 06:00:55 AM
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Thank you CK!  Yes, it will be released under GPL request, however, it is still being prepared for that.  A bit more final step announcements are being prepared by Halong Mining and once that is officially out, then you get to see the naked dragon's underbelly.

and phil, please email your shipping info to usual email or leave it in PM please.


Has Halong released their version of cgminer that supports overt asicboost? I'm curious to see how the finding the colliding work items has been implemented.
Not yet, no. They'll have 30 days from delivering hardware to release their software under the terms of the GPL (provided someone asks for the code who has the hardware.) If they don't release it after that time, I will myself anyway since I've been working on their driver for the last 2 weeks.

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March 21, 2018, 11:45:23 AM
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Thank you CK!  Yes, it will be released under GPL request, however, it is still being prepared for that.  A bit more final step announcements are being prepared by Halong Mining and once that is officially out, then you get to see the naked dragon's underbelly.

and phil, please email your shipping info to usual email or leave it in PM please.


Has Halong released their version of cgminer that supports overt asicboost? I'm curious to see how the finding the colliding work items has been implemented.
Not yet, no. They'll have 30 days from delivering hardware to release their software under the terms of the GPL (provided someone asks for the code who has the hardware.) If they don't release it after that time, I will myself anyway since I've been working on their driver for the last 2 weeks.

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Thank you CK!  Yes, it will be released under GPL request, however, it is still being prepared for that.  A bit more final step announcements are being prepared by Halong Mining and once that is officially out, then you get to see the naked dragon's underbelly.

and phil, please email your shipping info to usual email or leave it in PM please.


Has Halong released their version of cgminer that supports overt asicboost? I'm curious to see how the finding the colliding work items has been implemented.
Not yet, no. They'll have 30 days from delivering hardware to release their software under the terms of the GPL (provided someone asks for the code who has the hardware.) If they don't release it after that time, I will myself anyway since I've been working on their driver for the last 2 weeks.

Thanks CK and MyRig!
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March 22, 2018, 01:00:03 PM
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what's the tl;dr answer to March shipping of these units?  Weren't the first batch promised to ship by March?
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March 22, 2018, 09:32:21 PM
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what's the tl;dr answer to March shipping of these units?  Weren't the first batch promised to ship by March?
Well I'm not privy to what's going on in the factory but I also never sign any NDAs so I can tell you there is a mad scramble to get hardware out ASAP and they've been leaning hard on me to try and make sure the first firmware it's being released with works as reliably and solidly as possible. There will definitely be firmware updates in the future but for now things seem to be pretty close. I got involved very late in the piece and I've worked very hard in the last couple of weeks but there are limits to my time and just what I can achieve to get working code out.

One thing I have managed to achieve is to add tuning to the driver. The driver has a 5 stage tuning process to try and set the lowest stable voltage possible for minimal power consumption and then it tunes each chip individually to the highest frequency it will tolerate to try and optimise the hashrate. It also has a PID type fan controller to try and maintain optimal temperature with minimal fanspeed. There are a few emergency things included too in case of fan failure, chain dropouts etc.

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