DragonMint T1 16TH/S halongmining.com

[dr.plastics]

i would but you cant since theres no invite?

bt898 offered his appointment to the demo.  Maybe you can contact him.


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[727miner]

Any bets, now that Halong is going to publicly display the rig in Miami this weekend, that they step out from under their veil and open up their operations to everyone.  We'll see, but doesn't look promising.  Also does anyone know where in Miami this demo is occurring.  Conference center or back alley?

I'm guessing at the conference - https://btcmiami.com/

[SkyLakeMine]

We have talked to Innosilicon regarding Halong using one of their machines in the press pictures and we have reached a concrete verdict. We will be taking our business elsewhere.
Caveat emptor, please do not delve any further into this smoke and mirror operation and put more money into this. We have done the most intensive research by far of anyone online and there simply isn't a silver lining.

I'm going to read between the lines here. This is pure speculation but after all this is the speculation forum.

Halong stole the Innosilicon hardware and is passing it off for its own.
Innosilicon might threaten to sue Halong, cease and desist, whatever.

The point is that anyone putting money into this venture could lose it all to the lawyers or it just goes poof.

I hope I am wrong. Or everyone gets a miner that mines 11 Th/s @ 1500W. In June.

[Sandal_Hat]

Are these NOW available to buy??? ?

https://halongmining.com/shop/dragonmint-16t-miner/

I can place an order and continue to checkout

Been available now for two days.
I have also seen that they have now added a wire transfer option. Not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing.

So, is possible to order for some time now.
I guess they are reading this thread.

[bt898]

The meeting we had was indeed for the James L Knight center, the same as the forum. Albeit the day after the event. Once again I don't doubt they show up with a box that shows some numbers that looks real, Scott will simply ferry the one from Wisconsin down to Miami.

I do have more information but I do not want to draw attention from some of the players in this game and become a target, that is how convoluted this whole thing is.

You can pm me like I said, if anyone wants my spot I will give you a contact for Halong and the time for my meeting and you can show up and hope there is someone there(doubt there will).

I have had one person pm me so far and I answered him. I've been very transparent and my original large post should be enough to illuminate the situation at hand.

[dr.plastics]

I tried to pm bt898, but site wouldn't let me since I'm a "newbie".  Any alternative for this info?

[eissug]

I tried to pm bt898, but site wouldn't let me since I'm a "newbie".  Any alternative for this info?

I'm a newbie who would like to PM bt898 too.  A friend of mine was trying to pressure me into ordering some of the miners after the most recent demos and I'm curious and alarmed about what I might learn!   

[jbuk1]

Thanks for all the info guys.

Thought they looked scamy.

[VRobb]

We ALL thought they looked scammy...! 

[///Bryan]

Does anybody know where in Miami  the demo event will be? I wrote to the organizers of the North American Bitcoin Conference in Miami and they said that Halong mining will not be there. I am really doubting that they are for real if they can not be at an established event, even as an exhibitor.  I doubt they will show up anywhere for a demo day.
Here is the email from the event organizers.


From: lyndsey@keynote.ae


Hi Bryan,

Thank you for getting in touch. Halong mining is not exhibiting.

Kind regards,

Lyndsey Robson
Chief of Operations
Keynote
London, GMT

[bt898]

It pains me to see the laziness of people and then again I see now why scams can persist. People simply don't do their research.


I already posted that it was supposed to be at " the James L Knight center, the same as the forum ". And the head of the forum just said that Halong isn't associated with it. It is all smoke and mirrors.

This is why I don't answer each one of your posts individually I went through an extensive process and put my information out, if you are too lazy to read it or direct message then I can't save you.

[comby]

It pains me to see the laziness of people and then again I see now why scams can persist. People simply don't do their research.


I already posted that it was supposed to be at " the James L Knight center, the same as the forum ". And the head of the forum just said that Halong isn't associated with it. It is all smoke and mirrors.

This is why I don't answer each one of your posts individually I went through an extensive process and put my information out, if you are too lazy to read it or direct message then I can't save you.

Scott, sales representative of halong and active in this forum offered to show the dragonminer during thr conference, which does not mean IN the conference, so it might be more a ‚private invite‘. However, nor Scott or Yoshi are responding so far

[dr.plastics]

Hey bt898, can you change your settings to allow newbies to PM you? Thanks!

[itzazkrit]

It pains me to see the laziness of people and then again I see now why scams can persist. People simply don't do their research.


I already posted that it was supposed to be at " the James L Knight center, the same as the forum ". And the head of the forum just said that Halong isn't associated with it. It is all smoke and mirrors.

This is why I don't answer each one of your posts individually I went through an extensive process and put my information out, if you are too lazy to read it or direct message then I can't save you.

Can you please change your message settings to accept messages from newbies?  Thanks!

[SoggyStargazer]

Well it seems like Scott has gone dark.

Occam's razor being what it is, this has the hallmarks of a scam and if it is, they made off with quite a bit of money.  Even applying hanlon's razor doesn't do much to assuage the doubts.

I am just disappointed that Adam Back seems to have been duped.

My only solace is that I went in on this adventure with a couple of friends so I am not out for the full amount on the order.
I still hope its legit but the recent announcement of the sia miner being so much more capable than the A3 does raise HUGE red flags.

You can't change physics no matter how hard you try.

At the risk of going off on a bit of a tangent, looking at the "current" offering of blake miners

a3 180 chips for 815 GH (4.5GH per chip)
halong unit - 135 chips for 3500 GH (25GH per chip)
obelisk - no idea how many chips are in the thing but they are claiming around the same performance as the bitmain units but at about half the power reqs (500w vs bitmains 1200)

Now, assuming that the obelisk is really getting 800GH for 500W even if the Halong unit has double the chips of the obelisk (to get to that 1000w mark) its still over twice the hash to watt rate as the obelisk.  

The hash to watt difference between bitmain and obelisk could realistically be the difference between full custom and semi-custom chips as there is some precedence that shows full custom asics can outperform semi-custom ones.  The margins however are typically not this large.  Maybe if you are going from 28nm semi-custom vs 16nm full-custom you could get double the performance which would explain the difference between the obelisk and the A3, but to see a more than 2x performance increase again between the Obelisk and the Halong unit is pushing it.

Either its a typo on halongs part or they are doubling down on the scam.

[cbs]

Ugggh. I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist, but doesn't the MyRig twitter cover photo look really fucking suspicious? I'm assuming it to be some kind of "conference" or "event" where they were "present" but the logo on the wall on the left looks photoshopped in. Someone please tell me I'm looking to closely at this or am a dummy.

https://twitter.com/MyRig_com

[Ale88]

I was looking at this page https://halongmining.com/shop/dragonmint-16t-miner/ for the first time and I enlarged the pictures: the first thing I noticed as soon as I enlarged pictures #1 and #2 is that they have a lot of digital noise, which reduces a lot the definition and the quality of the pictures, and this noise is everywhere in the pictures but in the DragonMint logo, which looks pretty much perfect, and this is not normal, because it should be quite noticeable. And the first thing I'd think is that the logo has been added in Photoshop after the pictures have been taken. Am I the only one who noticed this weird thing?

[SkyLakeMine]

Well it seems like Scott has gone dark.

He is probably swamped at the conference so that by itself should not be troubling.

They need to show something soon and something good. They know what they have to do but they just don't do it.

Saturday is D day. Demonstration Day for Halong and could be Doomsday for them if they do not open up right now.

[comby]

Well it seems like Scott has gone dark.

He is probably swamped at the conference so that by itself should not be troubling.

They need to show something soon and something good. They know what they have to do but they just don't do it.

Saturday is D day. Demonstration Day for Halong and could be Doomsday for them if they do not open up right now.

So you are invited for that demo? or who is?!

[SkyLakeMine]

So you are invited for that demo? or who is?!

Nope, not me. Someone else needs to report first hand.